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8 hours ago, Jeffrey Reilley said:

I worked as a golf professional in SW Florida for many years, just got out of the business less than a year ago, and nothing has changed...at all. In the twelve years I was at this last golf club, there were a total of five non-white people I ever saw there as a guest(24,000 rounds per year , times 12 years, and only 5 total= 1 out of ever 57,600 golfers). Obviously no members. I blend in fairly well, I like to think, into most social scenarios, and the things I have heard from people of prominence is downright shocking. The relaxed and free way the remarks are made were what really got me...both racist and sexist. 

I may have been and still am in Florida, but 90% of these folks are from Chicago, Cleveland, Boston, Indianapolis, New York, and many other big cities, and are only there for short periods of time. It ain't just Florida, its everywhere and its an elitist thing every bit as much as it is the Florida cracker crawling around in the Everglades thing. 

I could understand in the corrections department where racism could start growing disproportionately because of the high percentage of non-white inmates. Doesn't make it any better, but there is some reason behind it that could at least make sense in the why and how department, but these are people that are completely separated and detached from ever having to deal with anyone that is non-white with the exception of bussers and food-runners you find at the clubhouse. There is absolutely no reasoning behind that hatred. 

I guess, the more things change the more they stay the same?   

The above post is very interesting.

Amazing this sentiment as you describe is still the way it is today as we speak.

This sentiment hasn't changed in 60 years.

Trump's brain trusts know this reality all too well.

They know that probably half of our entire society sees Trump's blatantly racist/anger rhetoric as clearly and honestly reflective of their true feelings. 

They agree with his race rhetoric.

Finally, a President who tells it like it is! ?

The controlling and benefiting forces behind Trump know that mass media reported charges of racism against him actually help him in his national support more than it hurts him.

Even though black Americans generally have seen incredible progress in so many areas of equal rights and opportunity in this country since the 1960's, this has come despite half the country not supporting this.

I think that the growing economic divide between the top 10% of our society versus the rest our society is however, the greater effecting stress and standard of living threat now.

And it crosses all ethnic, gender, age and racial lines.

When I see tens of millions of Americans struggling to keep up with always rising housing costs, health care and drug costs, transportation costs including car insurance cost, upkeep, repairs, gasoline, etc., food costs , utilities cost, student loan debt, and just about every other cost no matter what and even the 1 to 2 million homeless problem, I see a nation and society under the greatest common good stress in my lifetime.

David, I see.

Of course they may have wanted FDR to see this WPA created and funded project.

Another question:

Could JFK's limo been driven to the Trade Mart without any problems if it had stayed on Main  Street versus turning off and through the Dealey Plaza exit?

Was this Houston Street/Elm Street diversion turnoff a real convenience saver in this regards?

2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Roosevelt wouldn't have had a speech engagement at the Trade Mart, which wasn't yet created.  Also, it's possible that they wanted him to see the concrete pergolas from their best viewpoint, as I believe they were built as WPA projects.  (Correct me if wrong.)

Dallas officials wanted JFK to see the concrete pergolas?

And D.H. Byrd's beautiful old brick TXSBD building and maybe the outside of the stylish more modern County Jail building to boot?

How about another side trip to some other area of Dallas it's leaders were proud of since JFK was coming through anyway? 

Heck, I would have liked to have driven by Jack Ruby's strip joint the Carousel Club and seen the hot bill board pictures of Jada and Little Lynn myself. 

And when the SS did a preliminary security evaluation drive of the JFK motorcade route before 11,22,1963 including the last leg tour through Dealey Plaza,  I have to wonder if it crossed their minds that JFK's limo would be making a 90% turn onto Houston and a 180% turn onto Elm. And these sharp angle and even hairpin turns would obviously require a slowing down speed of the enormous weight and size limo to navigate?

Let alone being right under an open window building or two that they didn't check out before or observe during JFK riding by underneath?

The sidewalk crowd numbers in Dealey Plaza were nothing compared to those on downtown Main Street. Why have JFK and Jackie make this small crowd visit?

The Dealey Plaza tour diversion made no sense especially when the highest priority of the SS, the FBI and Dallas's police agencies was nothing "but" JFK's security. Not his being catered to seeing city pride landmarks.

Clint Hill defended his agency's lack of high rise building surveillance by saying it was impossible to check them all.

I say, how about at least having men on the ground ( using local police manpower if needed ) whose job it would be to scan the higher floor building and their open windows all along the motorcade route with binoculars both before and especially during JFK's traveling underneath them?

That simple yet practical security procedure should have easily been thought of by any responsible security planning parties especially considering JFK was riding underneath so many open window high rise buildings without his bubble top on, and the venomous hatred of JFK in Texas and Dallas at that time (highlighted by the "JFK WANTED FOR TREASON" flyers and newspaper ad ) which made this particular city one to keep a hyper-vigilant eye on during JFK's motorcade trip through it.

And didn't the Miami police pass along their tape recorded JFK threat by serious danger Joseph Milteer about an attempt of JFK's life to the FBI and SS ( with specifics that matched the Dallas shooting to a tee) and which was made just two weeks before 11,22,1963?

Upon receiving that tape recording transcript by a person who was known as a very serious threat to JFK, you would have thought that security responsible parties would have incorporated added security measures to any future JFK motorcades as I outlined above.

Heck, half a dozen innocent, untrained, unmotivated and unequipped ( no binoculars ) bystanders on the sidewalks below the TXSBD building saw the gunman in the open windows there "with his rifle!"

And within minutes of JFK's arrival!

If they could see a rifle holding man in those windows, imagine what one or two trained security men with binoculars could have seen if only they had been instructed to scan these buildings just before and during JFK's arrival underneath them?

The security lapses of including the Dealey Plaza last leg tour ( those shadow hiding place trees above the grassy knoll should have been another huge red flag ) which made for:

1: Incredibly sharp slowing down turns of JFK's limo.

2: No scanning of the high rise buildings along the motorcade route with binoculars during the motorcade presence.

3: The non-action of agent Roy Kellerman in the limo while JFK was being shot TWICE and Connolly once right behind him.

4: The stupid and totally against procedure stopping of the limo by agent Greer during the shooting.

5: The sideboard standing SS agents staying on their followup car during the shooting instead of immediate charging to the back of the JFK limo...except the too late Clint Hill doing so, etc, etc. 

All these worst case scenario plannings, decisions, actions and lapses should have resulted in wholesale firings, considering that the ultimate security let down in American history took place as a result.

On 5/21/2019 at 10:54 AM, Paul Jolliffe said:

Joseph,

I believe this is the photo to which you are referring, correct?

Yes, the man kneeling/sitting below the railing on the balcony does appear suspicious. I never noticed him before . . .

Trying to make out the so-called crouching man on the balcony.

Are you sure that is a person actually on the balcony versus someone sitting on a chair behind the unopened glass doors?

One can see that the balcony railing only extends maybe 36 inches from the glass doors and even less that in height.

Pretty tight quarters for a typical 6 ft. tall man to get below without getting on his knees?

Still think the earlier picture of the young man walking away from the TXSBD on 11,22,1963

is a ringer for G.W. Bush who was 17 at the time and which seems to be the age of this preppy white socks wearing young man.

And I too would like to see something in writing about G.W'S whereabouts that day.

And it would seem that he would be in Texas near his parents during the Thanksgiving holiday time period. And his parents did stay in the Dallas Sheraton hotel the night before.

Maybe Bush Jr. wanted to get his own up close and personal view of JFK and Jackie and perhaps asked his parents if could accompany them to Dallas to do so?

1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

Andrew - sorry if I can’t remember the man’s name, but he was a ‘subversive’, and possibly working as an infiltrator rather than a real ‘lefty’. 

Was this person Shelley?

To include the Manson/Sharon Tate slaughter horror story to any degree in a film that is conceived as a nostalgic Hollywood film, music and Buddy comedy/drama more than anything else is ...well... kind of weirdly disturbing imo.

I don't see the story value of including this monstrous event no matter how small a part or trivially implied it was.

Some things and events are just so deep loss tragic, sad and brutal that they can only be recounted with somber reverence.

Christ's crucifixion, the Jewish holocaust, JFK's, RFK's and MLK's assassinations and many others including even more obscure events such as the Black Dahlia murder. 

Not to be the ultimate sour puss but Tarantino's sense of film message and his often main characters unrealness ( Pulp Fiction ) doesn't do it for me.

How did Roscoe White come into personal possession of another BYP?

Did he steal evidence held by the Dallas PD?

If so, just another indication of his sneaky dishonest and nefarious motive character?

If not acquired this way...what other?

I stayed up until 12:PM last night to hear the Manson story interview on C2C talk radio.

A long time ago I mostly quit listening to Coast To Coast as it disturbed my 3 to 4 hours a night sleep pattern.

When I listen to the program ( especially throughout it's entire 4 hours until 2:AM )  almost always I cannot fall asleep the rest of the night.

This happened again last night.  I am a wreck this morning as a result.

Must say the interview was very interesting however. 

I've read about the MK ULTRA secret programs before and their activity involving social groups and movements deemed a threat to the powers to be in the 60's and 70's.

Doug Caddy's book on Robert Merritt as posted here on the forum details this and the FBI COINTELPRO agenda which obviously reveals we definitely were in the grip of a completely out-of-control, constitutional civil rights violating highest governmental level police state throughout those times. 

The "Law & Order" agenda ( Nixon's campaign slogan) went into such power threatened paranoia and so far out of constitutional rights boundaries it took us into fascist mode.

Some will still argue the violent uprising promoting "Black Panther" movement was so threatening it deserved to be dealt with in this manner but this out-of-control police state power surge ruthlessly went after anyone and everyone involved in even peaceful minded protest movements which our constitution supposedly guaranteed.

Looking back and seeing the illegal no limits pounding reality of this constitutional rights violating hammer it truly shakes your historical perspective of our country and those who ran it back in those times to a frightening degree.

And I am sure this same power abuse had much to do with JFK's removal as our president on 11,22,1963.

Two hours ago my wife returned from our local theater showing of "Once Upon A Time ..." ( packed audience ) and I asked her what she thought of the film.

She said she liked it very much. She loves anything retro LA and the music and such kept her quite entertained.

She said to her it was a movie about films. And the story of DiCaprio's Burt Reynolds character and Brad Pitt's Needham.

When I asked about her feelings regarding the Manson and Tate murder aspect of the film and Tarantino's fairy tale take ending contrary to the true life tragic one, she shrugged as if she hadn't even thought about this part of the film in any historically correct critical way.

I think the viewers of this film in general will have just about the same reaction to it as my wife who had a similar upbeat feeling entertained reaction to "La La Land."

I just recently viewed a 6 part documentary on Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys via You Tube.

In one part there is quite a lot of discussion regards Dennis Wilson's personal involvement with Manson.

It began with Wilson driving down the Coast highway and picking up two female hitchhikers who happened to be Manson's girls.

This led to meeting Manson himself.

Wilson was taken by Manson at first.

And soon enough, Manson and his clan were living in Wilson's home with him!

The open sex with Manson's harem surely had something to do with this.

But things turned ugly of course and Wilson left the home and Manson's family who had to find new digs because of the cutoff.

There is an account shared by one of Wilson's best friends after this split and the Beach Boys had recorded a song with some of Manson's lyrics but gave Manson no creative credit.

Manson tracked down Wilson afterwards and violently confronted him about what Manson perceived to be the ultimate back stabbing act of leaving Manson out of this record's credits and royalties.

The friend said Wilson went outside the house to deal with Manson and came in soon after ( white as a sheet) and frantically asked for his guitar and cash, which Wilson had to hand over to Manson that minute.

Manson scared almost everyone he dealt with and even tough guy Dennis Wilson feared him greatly. When Manson was finally arrested and incarcerated, there was a big sigh of relief throughout L.A.

My wife is totally committed to seeing this film tonight.

I mentioned our member reviews and she referred me to Mick LaSalle's review of this film in the San Francisco Chronicle.

I just read LaSalle's review.

Beyond fawning.

The Robert Ebert movie review site also praises the film.

Am I the only one that thinks Tarantino is way overrated?

I couldn't stand Pulp Fiction. 

And John Travolta has never done if for me. 

I could never get "Vinnie Barbarino / Tony Manero" out of my mind no matter what role I viewed John Travolta in.

"Battlefield Earth" is a classic though.

On 4/11/2019 at 1:36 PM, Robert Harper said:

For years I read books about the JFK case and never thought of Bush. I read Joseph McBride's article in the Nation magazine about the  Hoover memo to "George Bush of the CIA" but there wasn't enough to convince the public that there was anything there. I recall during that election, thinking of visiting Monticello and Jefferson's grave. His headstone  didn't list any government office held (governor, VP and Pres) but memorialized his writing of the Virginia Declaration of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and the founding of the University of Virginia. George Bush on the other hand was all government in my mind--usually appointed: UN delegate/envoy to China/ CIA director/Chair of Republican Party. Think he was a one term Congressman and lost two races for the Senate. I kept thinking then, who the heck is this guy? I hadn't heard of Prescott Bush either. 

My awakening came reading Russ Baker's "Family of Secrets." I was in LA at the time and the LA Times dismissed it as I recall, as another one of 'those" books, but I read it and my eyes opened. The Iran-Contra nexus was through him; he pardoned those involved; he obviously lied about his CIA involvement,he made that weird call to the FBI hours after the killing that begs to be read as a CYA memo. His actions with the drugs cartel in South America and Panama has been pretty well established and his relationship with Barry Seal and Clinton in Mena also is. The letter the elder Bush - Prescott - wrote to the widow of  Allen Dulles on his death in 1969 makes me recoil with disgust every time I encounter it. It's one thing to spell "brought" as "brot" but quite another to mourn the death of  a 76 year old man by saying in a note of a few sentences - that he "never forgave" the Kennedy brothers--each shot in the head in mid life, one only a year before - for poor Allen's failure at the Bay of Pigs.(fwiw,  I think if all 3 generations of the Bush politicians were placed in a room and given  4 hours, they couldn't between them write a coherent couple of pages free of the echoes of others). Authors since Baker like  Wayne Madsen, Webster Tarpley, and Bruce Campbell Adamson have all added considerable knowledge to Bush 41 and his ties to Jack Crighton and George DeMohrenschildt are numerous and overlap in Dallas.Nefarious might be a kind way to describe that clan.

BUMPING.

14 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

Very good supposition. 

I agree.

9 hours ago, Joseph McBride said:

I am now hearing of a film project in preproduction about Walter Cronkite and the assassination. Supposedly about Uncle Walter's

anguish reporting the story as it unfolded that day. It's called NEWSFLASH. The director is David Gordon Green. The writer is Ben Jacoby. IMDB

says Seth Rogen (!) will play Cronkite, but another source says not.

This would be a TV movie right?

Seth Rogen as Walter Cronkite?

Any thoughts on this casting choice J. McBride?

I never heard of this film.

Just viewed the trailer.

Can you share your thoughts about the connection you make with this film and the non-production of BLACKBIRD and Mamet himself?

On 7/19/2019 at 11:11 AM, David Andrews said:

http://scriptshadow.net/screenplay-review-blackbird/

See link to review of script re: JFK.  I'd love if someone could alert me if they find a copy of the David Mamet Blackbird script online.  I'm not sure it's in line with our POV on film alteration, though I'm a Mamet fan.

Perhaps his comments in the article below are the reason Blackbird wasn't made:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/americas-cassandra-david-mamet-speaks-on-the-lies-of-obama-and-war

 

David.

I just accessed that first link you provided.

Interesting review of and thought provoking commentary on Mamet's BLACK BIRD script.

Intertwining the UFO story with the JFK assassination one would be a tricky credibility risking endeavor however imo.

Doug Caddy does this and with enough real life high political and agency character connected gravitas ( William F. Buckley, E. Howard Hunt, etc. ) that it isn't automatically dismissible. 

The day time murder of Lee Harvey Oswald ( probably the most threatened criminal suspect in America's history ) right inside the Dallas Police Department building with 70 to 90 armed and supposedly highest in their career security alert minded DPD and other agency personnel guarding entrances and exits, lined 2 to 3 deep in the short hallway walkway from the elevator to the waiting transport vehicle, two handcuffed to Oswald himself and at least one even embedded in the basement press crowd ( Blackie Harrison ) by a well known and instantly recognizable armed local strip joint owner who just happened to walk right past, through and down into all that unprecedented security to get right next to Lee Oswald on a supposedly last second grief stricken whim...

left me with a sense of criminal intent suspicion first over simple innocent coincidence belief regards anything I ever read about the JFK assassination event after.

Especially regarding the death of Dorothy Kilgallen who was telling a few close associates right before her strange set up demise, she was on the verge of blowing the JFK case wide open.

Our federal presidential security failed in protecting JFK, the DPD failed in protecting suspect Lee Harvey Oswald and our 4th estate failed in protecting us from a controlled cover-up of the entire affair ever since.

And someone failed to protect Dorothy Kilgallen and probably several others like her who too seriously threatened the cover-up.

That's a lot of failure to protect.

Which logically forces even a rational person to be cautiously skeptical versus instantly trusting of official determinations regards nefarious doings related to the JFK event.

I always believed I was very liberal in my appreciation of mankind made music and have always found it very enjoyable and sensory stimulating to listen to almost every form of it from time to time.

And to ponder it's creation by, purpose of and effect on societies and individuals throughout human history.

So much to consider from this perspective.

With that said, the first time I heard a live performance of "acid rock" I felt as if the intent of this was truly to physically assault one's body and senses.

My inner ear drums were painfully pierced with the most discordant highest decibel screeching and my body in total felt something akin to being hit by a sonic blast or electrically shocked with accompanying involuntary muscle spasming. 

My face surely showed this musical torture with extreme eye and jaw scrunching and grimacing and mental disorientation.

I understand the adolescent hormone raging urge to experience rebellious and high risk behavior such as thrill rides at amusement parks and playing chicken and maybe stealing candy bars from the local convenience store to see if they can get away with this, but acid rock imo took this urge to a perverse new level of self-inflicted pain musical masochism.  

And wasn't body slamming and head banging the most popular dance style back then too?

Boy, that acid rock generation sure must have had a lot of deep anger and frustration issues they needed to work out and express through this kind of music. 

Same with Rap the last 20 years.

Retired Dallas Sheriff Al Maddox is on video and audio record ( available on You Tube ) as stating that Jack Ruby passed him a personally written note in which he ( Ruby) states that there was a conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy and that his motive in shooting Oswald was to silence him.

My question to those who still defend Ruby's previous claims of innocence of involvement in a JFK murder conspiracy and his motive for shooting Oswald was out of love and concern for Jackie Kennedy ...

What do you make of Ruby's conspiracy acknowledging note to Sheriff Maddox?

Also, I ask the same question regards Dallas Police Department dispatcher Billy Grammer in his statement that he believed it was Jack Ruby who called into his department the evening before 11,24,1963 warning of an attempt on Oswald's life the very next day and that the plans for moving Oswald should be changed?

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4 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Tippit-Weissman-Ruby meeting


Waldo indicateds that on or about Dec. Seven, Sixtythree, he met Sutton at the Dallas Press Club and was introduced to Phil Burns, White male, age late thirties, five feet eight, one forty five lbs., chestnut hair, wore glasses and employed by some advertising firm on account of one of Sutton's sponsors. After many assurances that identity would be protected, Burns related that he was acquainted with Ruby [about one line redacted] also that he knew officer Tippit since he had seen him in uniform at the club which apparently was on his beat. Burns indicated he passed a table and Ruby greeted him saying, "You know J.D. here", and Ruby then introduced the other individual as Bernard Weissman from the East. Burns described Weissman as white male, thirtyfive years, black hair, over six feet tall. Burns allegedly returned to his table and Ruby sent him a complimentary drink.
 

Okay, so no documentation proving "this particular meeting," but how much do we know about Ruby's relationship to DPD patrol officer Tippit?

If this was more than what one would expect then this would be strong evidence of something else to consider with credible suspicion, especially since Tippit was supposedly killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.

Coincidence?

According to Joseph McBride, Tippit was a man with some hidden truth and emotional health issues baggage.

Post traumatic stress from his war experience perhaps?

And he was never promoted from the patrol division even after 11 years on the force?

1 hour ago, Denis Morissette said:

We can discuss this to no end, but we can all agree that there was most probably no such meeting. Thanks.

Why would anyone ever give the benefit of the doubt to Jack Ruby regards his WC testimony being more truthful than not?

Here is a guy who went over the insanity line when he ran down the DPD basement ramp the morning of 11,24,1963, furtively and deliberately lined himself up right behind one of his police buddies William "Blackie" Harrison to get as close to the paraded Oswald as he could to then pull out his Colt Cobra and blast Oswald in the gut.

Ruby's actions that morning were just as irrational and insane as the person who fired the kill shot into JFK's head the Friday before.

Ruby knew he was surrounded by dozens of armed and edgy Dallas Police officers and that his Oswald shooting could have meant his instant death if just "one" of the police force in the basement pulled their own gun and blasted him.

Amazing this didn't happen.

Yet, Ruby's deluded mind over-rode this rational thinking and his decision to shoot Oswald was the essence of irrational insanity.

And we know that Ruby started lying within minutes of being subdued and arrested. The things he said to the police interrogators such as saving Mrs. Kennedy from a trial appearance back in Dallas.

Ruby lied about so many things afterwords.

The WC laid off so many other areas of Ruby's life and doings in the past such as whether he ever ran guns or was the bag man for such illegal activities, same with drugs and whether he set up gambling engagements  or engaged in prostitution masked as providing others with female companionship.

Then there was Ruby's informant status with the FBI which Journalist Seth Kantor discovered by accessing FBI records through the Freedom Of Information Act.

Ruby lied about his Chicago and Detroit Mafia connections.

Kantor's book on Ruby list official phone records that prove Ruby's phone calling to these organized crime figures ( top hit men!) increased significantly during the month leading to 11,22,1963.

The WC decided to take this XXXXX word over the highly credible Seth Kantor regards Kantor's detailed recollection of running into and even talking to Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital the early afternoon of 11,22,1963.

Ruby lied about this and said he instead went directly back to his club after leaving the Dallas Morning News offices around 1:PM that day.

With all this documented proof of Ruby's lying, it would be illogical to consider his testimony of this meeting never happening as credible versus not credible.

On 7/20/2019 at 11:43 AM, Denis Morissette said:

"Supposedly" the he WC chose to ignore the story? You mean you never verified if what you're writing is true? Is this what a real researcher should do? You should stop relying on conspiracy books and websites to find the true facts in the JFK assassination. One piece of advice for you: Go as close as you can to primary sources. Talking about sources, Thayor Waldo is not a source I would count on too much. Waldo used the confidentiality cover to cover his false story.

I also read that Warren or one of his assistants quickly changed subject. That's BS! Read this for yourself.

Mr. RANKIN. The man that was murdered. There was a story that you were seen sitting in your Carousel Club with Mr. Weissman, Officer Tippit, and another who has been called a rich oil man, at one time shortly before the assassination. Can you tell us anything about that? 
Mr. RUBY. Who was the rich oil man? 
Mr. RANKIN. Can you remember? We haven't been told. We are just trying to find out anything that you know about him. 
Mr. RUBY. I am the one that made such a big issue of Bernard Weissman's ad. Maybe you do things to cover up, if you are capable of doing it.
As a matter of fact, Saturday afternoon we went over to the Turf Bar lounge, and it was a whole hullabaloo, and I showed the pictures "Impeach Earl Warren" to Bellocchio, and he saw the pictures and got very emotional.
And Bellocchio said, "Why did the newspaper take this ad of Weissman?"
And Bellocchio said, "I have got to leave Dallas."
And suddenly after making that statement, I realized it is his incapability, and suddenly you do things impulsively, and suddenly you realize if you love the city, you stay here and you make the best of it. And there were witnesses.
I said, "The city was good enough for you all before this. Now you feel that way about it." And that was Bellocchio.
As far as Tippit, it is not Tippitts, it is not Tippitts it is Tippit. 
Mr. RANKIN. This Weissman and the rich oil man, did you ever have a conversation with them? 
Mr. RUBY. There was only a few. Bill Rudman from the YMCA, and I haven't seen him in years.
And there is a Bill Howard, but he is not a rich oil man. He owns the Stork Club now. He used to dabble in oil. 
Chief Justice WARREN. This story was given by a lawyer by the name of Mark Lane, who is representing Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald, and it was in the paper, so we subpenaed him, and he testified that someone had given him information to the effect that a week or two before President Kennedy was assassinated, that in your Carousel Club you and Weissman and Tippit, Officer Tippit, the one who was killed, and a rich oil man had an interview or conversation for an hour or two.
And we asked him who it was that told him, and he said that it was confidential and he couldn't tell at the moment, but that he would find out for us if whether he could be released or not from his confidential relationship.

He has never done it, and we have written him several letters asking him to disclose the name of that person, and he has never complied. 
Mr. RUBY. Isn't that foolish? If a man is patriotic enough in the first place, who am I to be concerned if he wasn't an informer.
I am incarcerated, nothing to be worried about anyone hurting me. 
Chief Justice WARREN. Mr. Ruby, I am not questioning your story at all. I wanted you to know the background of this thing, and to know that it was with us only hearsay. But I did feel that our record should show that we would ask you the question and that you would answer it, and you have answered it. 
Mr. RUBY. How many days prior to the assassination was that? 
Chief Justice WARREN. My recollection is that it was a week or two. Is that correct? 
Mr. RUBY. Did anyone have any knowledge that their beloved President was going to visit here prior to that time, or what is the definite time that they knew he was coming to Dallas? 
Chief Justice WARREN. Well, I don't know just what those dates are. 
Mr. RUBY. I see. 
Chief Justice WARREN. I just don't know. Well, we wanted to ask you that question, because this man had so testified, and we have been trying ever since to get him to give the source of his information, but he will not do it, so we will leave that matter as it is. 
Mr. RUBY. No; I am as innocent regarding any conspiracy as any of you gentlemen in the room

 

It is always cringing to read much of Jack Ruby's Warren Commission testimony.

Which too often comes across as rambling nonsense.

And so nonsensical at times it nudges your common sense to consider Ruby's responses with "play dumb acting" suspicion that they are actually purposeful contrived deflection and misdirection.

Like this above post Carousel meeting exchange between Warren and Rankin with Ruby and this following response answer by Ruby: 

"I am the one that made such a big issue of Bernard Weissman's ad. Maybe you do things to cover up, if you are capable of doing it"

Huh ?! 

What is equally frustrating, even disturbing, is when Ruby's questioners so often let him get away with this dumb deflection act and simply drop the immediate subject line of questioning and move on.

Ruby did the same nonsensical meandering non-answering thing when questioned by the W.C. about his physical presence at Parkland hospital the afternoon of 11,22,1963 as reported by journalist Seth Kantor who was at Parkland at that time and personally knew Jack Ruby. And his WC questioners did their same thing of letting Ruby off the hook by dropping the subject entirely.

Consider the huge conspiracy revealing consequences if Ruby finally admitted his Parkland Hospital presence the early afternoon of 11, 22,1963?

This admission would expose his location and activity alibi that afternoon as a made up lie and open the door to dynamite questions about Ruby's motives for being at Parkland at that time and lying about it.

Same thing with this reported meet up of Tippit, Weissman and the rich oil man with Ruby at his Carousel Club just a week or two before JFK's Dallas visit.

In the least, you would expect the Warren Commission to seriously investigate Tippit's relationship with Ruby and whether it was more involved than one would expect between a Dallas Police officer and a strip joint owner.

The idea that Dorothy Kilgallen's seriously committed investigative effort into the JFK assassination had nothing to do with her untimely and obviously set up death and suspiciously incongruous cause of death report is so weak now it's not even worthy of debate.

Let's quit living in a brain numbed, false reality fantasy world.

We know Kilgallen was murdered.

We know her murder was carried out because of her tenacious investigation into the JFK assassination.

What's truly alarming is how the perps behind the JFK assassination were so powerful, they could take out a national figure of long time highest celebrity world fame and status who they considered a threat to their exposure, with impunity.

And how these same forces could take out highest level Mafia figures like Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli and who knows who else with impunity as well.

Highest level murderous people who were never identified or caught. Which means they retained their power and position in perpetuity. 

In Oliver Stone's film "JFK" there is a dialogue line stated by a young female Carousel Club visitor friend of Jack Ruby ( supposedly Beverly Oliver ) in response to Jim Garrison's request that she testify in his Clay Shaw trial regards her being introduced to Lee Oswald by Jack Ruby while sitting in the Carousel Club with "Jada" Ruby's feature stripper at the time.

The highly stressed young blond woman Beverly Oliver character ( actress Carolina McCullough ) hesitated and then expressed her deep fear of doing so by saying ( not an exact quote ) something like... "if they can kill the President of the United States, do you think they couldn't get to little ole me?"

Garrison then sympathizes with her and leaves her be.

I mention this JFK film dialogue line because it probably reflects a true reality about many others who may have had important information about the JFK assassination and characters involved that could threatened those behind the conspiracy.

And that in their minds, like the Beverly Oliver character in "JFK",  these people saw how these powerful forces could kill highest level leaders, celebrities and other high level figures and get away with it.

This terrifying deepest fear reality is for sure a main reason many people never came forward to reveal what they knew about the JFK assassination or the characters involved which may have been incredibly important in exposing the conspiracy.

I have wondered over the years how many of these frightened people there were and what they actually knew or witnessed regards this event...but held back the rest of their lives.

I had my own little encounter once about several years ago with someone who shared a second hand account of a JFK autopsy story tidbit.

I was in a can and plastic recycle station line and talking with a person next to me about the JFK assassination and my feelings of conspiracy regards it.

A fellow right behind me and the person I was speaking to and who was overhearing our discussion eventually piped in.

He claimed that his father was in some medical position at Bethesda Naval Hospital when JFK was brought in that would have usually officially required him to be involved with the autopsy. I "think" this fellow mentioned his father was a medical doctor of pathology.

The son said his father was always disturbed that he was told not to come in for this.

What to make of this second hand story? Not sure, but I imagine there are hundreds of others like it that lead one to believe there will always be so much we will never know about the truth of the entire event.

Maybe it still isn't too late to do the essential Dorothy Kilgallen film including her obvious and ominous murder. Meryl Street isn't too old to play Kilgallen in her later years.

18 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

My opinion is that sexual perversion goes with the territory. We see the tip of the iceberg occasionally, but the iceberg is there all the time. 

Stanley Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut" seems much more close to reality when deep involvement scandals like Epstein's get exposed.