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Doug thank you for your comments.

Ha!

What's mind boggling suspicious and beyond any believable negligence, is that just two weeks after Epstein's first serious injury suicide attempt/physical assault at the Metro jail, his security there became even "more lax" and was "worse" than when his first injury event occurred! WORSE! Just two guards ( one doing five straight midnight overtime shifts and one not officially a guard) who both fell asleep while on duty? With Epstein left alone unchecked for hours and these two then falsifying their cell check logs? No cameras recording that could show any noticeable movement near or in Epstein's cell throughout the night? A "bunk bed" with a higher hanging fixture left in a room with only one occupant? This is all "after" Epstein's serious injury event while in custody just two weeks earlier? As I mentioned previously, didn't federal Bureau Of Prisons head AG Bill Barr or one of his deputies or at least someone higher up than this warden contact the warden of this jail after Epstein's first near death episode to remind this warden how important it was to maintain security for Epstein beyond normal protocols, if for no other reason than Epstein's extremely high profile as a criminal suspect/prisoner with tens of millions of people following this story and the potential for an unprecedented national PR/ public trust disaster if Epstein was killed or killed himself while in custody before his trial? To know that Epstein's security situation at this jail deteriorated to an even worse level than what it was when Epstein was first injured..."begs" serious rational suspicion. No conspiracy theory "obsession" needed.

Cliff, true..but Jackson also borrowed from Jackie Wilson. Jackson adored Jackie Wilson and his energized style of singing and dancing performance. Trump's idols weren't dancers and singers. They were "strong leader" demagogues.

When does Trump ever look at and study up on all the highest importance information ( must be reams of this ) that the average citizen has always figured was presented to him on a daily basis so that he could make incredibly responsible and informed decisions regards the subjects they address? Half my life I've had minimum wage jobs that required more of my mental focus and concentration than Trump needs to spend in make up, traveling to and from and performing at these totally mindless rallies that are just like those crazy, farcical WWF professional wrestling events ( which Trump was a big fan of ) with loud braggadocio yelling and taunts and jokes with accompanying making-fun facial expressions. What a childish, shameful waste of super important Presidential energy and time! Trump clearly gets off playing the bombastic professional wrestler/stand up comedic role and working his idolizing audience into a frenzy of hate shouts and adoration chants. How many rallies has his team organized and has he gone to? 50? More? I guess his re-election campaign funds pay for the costs of all of these which must be tens of millions of dollars with the use of Air Force 1, the entourage vehicles, the heavy security and who knows what other costs? Sure hope it isn't our tax dollars paying for any of these bombastic self-promoting WWF events. I have heard that Trump wakes up very early in the morning ( 4:AM? ) and spends hours watching Fox news and other venues, mostly to see who is criticizing him so that he can then tweet to his 60 millions followers his personal attacks against them. The whole scenario of Trump and his daily routines of much wasted time devoted to his own self aggrandizement and personal paybacks is not just outrageously immature ... it's disturbingly sad. Again, don't we all want a President who spends all these hours studying the needs and problems of the country in a responsible and professional way versus this totally immature and emotionally stunted man/child who uses the office mainly for his self-promotion ( look at me! ) playground antics? When you see Trump's worked up crowd shouting blind loyalty slogans and hateful sound bites with gleeful smiles and laughter you can't help but see the similarities to Nazis rallies of the past. Have you ever watched Mussolini give his large crowd speeches when he was Il Duce? His highly animated mannerisms, arm movements, finger movements and facial expressions look uncannily like Trump's. If Trump was bald, he would also look remarkably like Mussolini.

I'm doing this for YOU ... J.Edgar Hoover fans.

Elizabeth Warren is the closest thing to FDR imo.

Reports of certain bones in Epstein's neck being fractured have brought out debate as to what this indicates or doesn't indicate regards a suicidal hanging versus a strangulation homicide. One expert stated that a certain percentage of self-hanging suicides have resulted in these bone fractures although this percentage is much lower than strangulation bone fractures. A couple of questions: Does the type of hanging suicide position have any increase bearing on these neck bone fractures? For instance, if someone ties a rope or other material type sling above them and stands on a chair or other platform and then kicks the chair out from underneath themselves and/or jumps from the platform with the full weight of their bodies yanking down on the neck hugging noose you would certainly expect some neck bone breaks. But what about someone hanging themselves from a low place ( like a bed frame? ) with their full body weight not free falling and snapping their neck? Does this different hanging technique dynamic effect the chances for neck bone breaks? Seems obvious it would. When we find out the exact method of hanging in the Epstein case, I wonder how this will effect the neck bone fracture debate either way. And what about the neck burn and/or bruising from a rope fashioned sheet? If Epstein's neck shows this "above" the hyoid bone location ( instead of around the quite low Adam's Apple ) wouldn't that be a valid and worthy clue in determining how this particular bone was broken?

Even money?

After Epstein's "almost successful" suicide attempt in this federal Metropolitan Correctional Center facility ( or his being beaten up ) you would think that Epstein's high powered lawyers, and maybe his brother as well, would have been so concerned for his future physical security there ( above and beyond normal ) that they would have demanded through official channels ( in writing ) that extra attentive and verifiable precautionary measures be taken to better protect their highly at risk client to assure this didn't happen again. Does anyone know if they did so? You would also think that highest level Bureau Of Prison officials ( all the way to Barr ) would have been in touch with the Warden of this Epstein holding facility after Epstein's near death event there and personally reminded him of the extra-importance of this type of P.R. disaster ( with the whole world press watching ) not happening again. You have to wonder how the Warden of this facility could see his world famous, highest profile and monumentally at risk prisoner "almost die" in his facility and not personally review the circumstances with extraordinary concern and scrutiny and personally confront his staff to make sure this didn't happen again, especially considering he must have known about the shortages in trained police guard staffing that were reportedly so bad unqualified clerks and dishwashers were relied upon to fill them. To hear that "after" Epstein's near death event in this seriously poorly staffed facility his security went from bad to worse with one untrained filler and one trained guard falling asleep and not checking on Epstein for hours at a time ... makes you sick it's so absurdly and disturbingly improbable. The Warden of this facility should be fired and investigated. Not simply transferred. Barr is head of the BOP and this society wide mistrust travesty happened under his watch. We had the Labor Department head resign under pressure for his controversial role in the Epstein affair. Barr should also resign considering the level of society wide trust damage Epstein's failed security has caused under his watch.

I am taking a break from the thread, however, just wanted to mention one weirdly disturbing coincidental fact reported in the link Rob provided above. Rapist Bill Cosby's victim drugging Manhattan residence was "right across the street" from Epstein's own prolific sex abusing den ?

Jeffrey Epstein. The most important and highest profile criminal suspect in America since Lee Harvey Oswald and Richard Nixon - Higher than Bernie Madoff, O.J. Simpson, Timothy McVeigh, Bill Cosby, Kenneth Lay, Jeffrey Skilling, Boesky, Keating, Stanford , Rod Blagojevich, Martha Stewart, Pete Rose, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, El Chapo, Noriega, etc.etc. Maybe higher than Marc Rich, Jimmy Hoffa, E. Howard Hunt and G. Liddy ... And the only one of this elite group who "actually tried to kill himself" in jail pre-trial. And one who is placed in a jail security situation where only one guard and maybe a clerical worker were checking on him just days after his previous suicide attempt and who neglected the expected highest priority security protocol to the point of not even checking on suicidal attempt Epstein for hours at a time ? They fell asleep? Please...you don't have to be a conspiracy minded person to see this as beyond simple negligence. Epstein would have had a better security situation in sheriff Andy Taylor and Barney Fife's Mayberry jail or Barney Miller's NYC 12th precinct one. Yes, most of those others were held in cushy jail accommodations, but still, if your prisoner "has already tried to do himself in while in custody just two weeks earlier" ...and he possesses knowledge of widespread complicity of others in his criminal activities who are stationed in some of the highest levels of political office, business, celebrity, royalty, foreign governments, law, etc. you don't place this person in anything but the most secure jail situation possible. And by not doing so the worst possible public trust and confidence ruining disaster scenario plays out? Barr himself should resign over this Oswald-killed-in-police-custody level Jeffrey Epstein security failure.

Talk about thickening the suspicion soup! If this is THAT Michael Baden ... you've got to be kidding me. Sandy Larsen, your thoughts?

Oswald's murder inside a police department building still shocks the senses. Trey Gowdy wasn't even born when Ruby whacked Oswald.

Until we see the inside of Epstein's cell it's tough to speculate on his ability to strangulate himself People have succeeded in self asphyxiation suicides sitting on their bunks or the floor or even with a toothbrush? Going to be fun trying to figure out Epstein's method. Hopefully his true method won't be falsely altered. Half our society knew about and cared about Epstein and his criminal charges. Probably hundreds of millions world wide. More so because of the possible involvement of others from the highest stations of politics, business, academia, law and celebrity. Isn't it typical of federal law enforcement to house suspects of the most egregious and high profile crimes to be separated and observed much more closely than other inmates? Right after Jack Ruby whacked Oswald he was watched 24/7 very closely for a very long time. This was done for reasons of suicide intent as much as any other. This whole scenario with Epstein killing himself without any extra observation versus other inmates in cells next to him...stinks.

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Bipartisan outrage and suspicion: Lawmakers demanded answers Saturday after wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein was found dead by apparent suicide, with a number calling for an immediate investigation and justice for his alleged victims. “The Department of Justice failed, and today Jeffrey Epstein’s co-conspirators think they might have just gotten one last sweetheart deal,” Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., wrote in a fiery letter to Attorney General William Barr on Saturday. In the letter, a furious-sounding Sasse blasted the Justice Department for the circumstances that allowed Epstein to die by apparent suicide at a federal prison in Manhattan just a little over two weeks after he was found injured and in a fetal position in his cell. He was semiconscious with marks on his neck at the time. He was not on suicide watch at the time of his death, multiple people familiar with the investigation told NBC News. “Every single person in the Justice Department — from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer — knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn’t be allowed to die with him," Sasse wrote. "Given Epstein’s previous attempted suicide, he should have been locked in a padded room under unbroken, 24/7, constant surveillance. Obviously, heads must roll.”

Nothing I can see that anyone could affix a noose to in this sketch. Thanks to your friend for submitting this.

President Donald Trump retweeted a conspiracy theory on Saturday evening alleging without evidence that former President Bill Clinton was connected to the death of wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, hours after Epstein was found dead by apparent suicide in his federal prison cell. Every time this President does and/or says something outrageous beyond responsible protocol I keep wondering how far this will go before he finally says something that is so disturbingly improper, unethical and unsettling that the main stream media finally says ..."ENOUGH!" Trump's publicly retweeting and promoting and reinforcing a tweet that alleges "the Clinton's involvement with Epstein's suicide" is that something imo. Obviously, Trump isn't capable of comprehending or understanding the gravity of his publicly promoting, reinforcing and adding massive exposure to such a slanderous charge against a former President and his wife. The Clinton's should immediately begin legal remedy for this 10X worse slander action than all the others on Trump's part towards them. This latest public Clinton slander attack by Trump ( guilt by promotion and agreement ) is on a whole new level of outrageous recklessness. Can't believe a sitting President could be so blind to understanding and adhering to cognitive awareness boundaries ( especially in his role of President and the responsibilities that come with this office ) and the unsettling anxiety his unprecedented reckless out of bounds words and actions create within our entire society. In this case - promoting Clinton hate and criminal guilt. This outrageous Clinton connection to Epstein's suicide retweet by Trump should be recognized as the unbelievably reckless, irresponsible and unpresidential trash it truly is, and hopefully inspire our main stream media to finally say...in unison ..."ENOUGH!" If I need to transfer this post to the political opinion forum I will. However, I can't help posting about something I feel is so beyond the boundaries of rational and responsible Presidential leadership we shouldn't avoid discussing it. And the Epstein death does have comparative relevance to Oswald's murder in police custody considering both of these historically important men were silenced in suspicious ways before they could ever go to trial.

I highly recommend seeing Stanley Kubrick's film "Eyes Wide Shut." You can't help but see the real life similarities between the Epstein sexual corruption ( black mail?) story and the film's story line. Kubrick's tale really captures the extreme morality corruption ( to a devilish degree ) of super powerful people through organized sexual cult deviancy and the ruthless lengths they would go to protect their secret participation in such. It's really a scary movie in what it suggests regards the believable implication of it's true life reality.

Bumped

Ghislaine Maxwell will benefit by Epstein's death. No doubt about that. He can never again reveal anything he knows about her and her father. Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell and his shady money and extreme covert political dealings is probably one of the biggest and potentially most damaging can of worms in this sordid sexual saga.

I wonder if the former inmate quoted earlier could do even a rough sketch of the inside of those cells? Soon enough, the press and the public are going to "demand" to see the insides of these cells.

When the Dallas PD on November 24th, 1963 failed in Lee Harvey's security in the absolute worst case scenario way ( his murder right in their own building) 10's of millions here in the states and around the world instantly felt something was very wrong with that picture, seriously wrong. Ruby's murder of Oswald right inside the jail building created a sense of suspicion and mistrust that was actually greater than the mistrust just from JFK's assassination by itself. I think Epstein's questionable suicide this morning will do the same thing regards the entire Epstein story and those who had anything to with Epstein socially during his reign of sexual assault and manipulation of under age girls. Not to mention all the secret and shady business dealings and massive fund transfers he was involved with as well.