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This is incredible testimony that if true blows away the official record of Ruby's activities the morning of 11,24,1963. I had never heard of these witnesses nor their Ruby sighting statements.

There has always been the heavy promotion of Ruby's arriving at, entrance access to and presence in the Dallas Police building basement the morning of 11,24,1963 beginning with ( supposedly without premeditated planning and forethought and motivated only by curiosity ) his leaving the Western Union Office and his car nearby, then walking to and past the DPD building street crowd and right up to and sauntering past a police guarded entrance, then quickly walking down a highly visibly open car ramp to squeeze himself into the cramped mass of aggressively positioning bodies of reporters, camera, cable and light people and even plain clothed police officers to get into a perfectly placed location to allow him with one quick jump to get within inches of a wide open Oswald to blast him in the gut with his 38 Colt Cobra revolver...as simple happenstance luck. And luckily again, in the middle of all that armed, super heightened security alert tension and Ruby jumping out at Oswald and his two side guards with his gun drawn, getting off his shot and struggling energetically with a half dozen officers, no one thinks to shoot Ruby? And this innocent minded action on Ruby's part just somehow turned from a simple curiosity driven adventure into a life and death risking mission of murderous revenge for Jackie Kennedy's loss? With the final Oswald coup de gras also made possible by the pure coincidental timing of Oswald's wide open perp walk transfer passing just feet from Ruby's lucky position location ??? A conclusion based heavily on the fact that Ruby left his beloved wife/dog Sheba, his keys and $2,000 in cash ( equivalent to $16,500 in today's dollars ) in his car before all this unplanned, impulsive and super lucky timing and location act of murderous craziness. Jim Garrison reminded us in his July 15, 1967 nationally broadcast NBC equal time rebuttal to their televised criticism of his investigation that "fairy tales" are fine when used to entertain children, but irresponsibly dangerous when promoted outside of that age realm for nefarious truth hiding reasons. The Jack Ruby assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald right inside the Dallas Police Department building in broad daylight and to a live prime time TV audience of millions (as officially explained ) is one of those dangerous truth hiding fairy tales...imo.

Alex Jones and Breitbart support and defend who? Gabbard? Or Harris?

Cliff I just read this article. It mentions interviews of white women in the suburbs who voted for Trump in 2016 but who are now saying they aren't comfortable with Trump's recent super charged up racial rhetoric and some mention his general aggressive and insulting ( boorish) manner as well. Yet along with this somewhat measured criticism they cite their pleasure with Trump's so called good economy achievements and his immigration policy. I believe that these Trump voting suburb women in general will still vote for Trump again in 2020. The issues of immigration and their doing well under Trump's upper income tax relief will trump their temporary uncomfortableness with his recent rough edged racial talk. Trump's wag the dog spin machine will see what this article and more are reporting and if the trend continues, they'll initiate a damage control plan where Trump issues a few apologies and these Republican women will then be able to justify letting go of their temporary criticism and vote for him again. Excuse my cynicism but I don't trust former Trump voters whose criticisms of him are really quite light and are not the deeper felt outrage and anger ones that would sincerely inspire them to change their vote. Chris Myers, a 52-year-old accountant and Trump supporter, ticked off such attributes as his negotiating grit, but also quickly acknowledged his behavior. “He’s not the most pleasant person. He can be very blunt and boorish,” Myers said as she prepared to go grocery shopping. “But I think this country needs someone who is more business-oriented.”

I guess this is a warning? Just conversing about conspiracy theories is now being categorized as a national security threat? God help us.

The above post is very interesting. Amazing this sentiment as you describe is still the way it is today as we speak. This sentiment hasn't changed in 60 years. Trump's brain trusts know this reality all too well. They know that probably half of our entire society sees Trump's blatantly racist/anger rhetoric as clearly and honestly reflective of their true feelings. They agree with his race rhetoric. Finally, a President who tells it like it is! ? The controlling and benefiting forces behind Trump know that mass media reported charges of racism against him actually help him in his national support more than it hurts him. Even though black Americans generally have seen incredible progress in so many areas of equal rights and opportunity in this country since the 1960's, this has come despite half the country not supporting this. I think that the growing economic divide between the top 10% of our society versus the rest our society is however, the greater effecting stress and standard of living threat now. And it crosses all ethnic, gender, age and racial lines. When I see tens of millions of Americans struggling to keep up with always rising housing costs, health care and drug costs, transportation costs including car insurance cost, upkeep, repairs, gasoline, etc., food costs , utilities cost, student loan debt, and just about every other cost no matter what and even the 1 to 2 million homeless problem, I see a nation and society under the greatest common good stress in my lifetime.

David, I see. Of course they may have wanted FDR to see this WPA created and funded project. Another question: Could JFK's limo been driven to the Trade Mart without any problems if it had stayed on Main Street versus turning off and through the Dealey Plaza exit? Was this Houston Street/Elm Street diversion turnoff a real convenience saver in this regards?

Dallas officials wanted JFK to see the concrete pergolas? And D.H. Byrd's beautiful old brick TXSBD building and maybe the outside of the stylish more modern County Jail building to boot? How about another side trip to some other area of Dallas it's leaders were proud of since JFK was coming through anyway? Heck, I would have liked to have driven by Jack Ruby's strip joint the Carousel Club and seen the hot bill board pictures of Jada and Little Lynn myself. And when the SS did a preliminary security evaluation drive of the JFK motorcade route before 11,22,1963 including the last leg tour through Dealey Plaza, I have to wonder if it crossed their minds that JFK's limo would be making a 90% turn onto Houston and a 180% turn onto Elm. And these sharp angle and even hairpin turns would obviously require a slowing down speed of the enormous weight and size limo to navigate? Let alone being right under an open window building or two that they didn't check out before or observe during JFK riding by underneath? The sidewalk crowd numbers in Dealey Plaza were nothing compared to those on downtown Main Street. Why have JFK and Jackie make this small crowd visit? The Dealey Plaza tour diversion made no sense especially when the highest priority of the SS, the FBI and Dallas's police agencies was nothing "but" JFK's security. Not his being catered to seeing city pride landmarks. Clint Hill defended his agency's lack of high rise building surveillance by saying it was impossible to check them all. I say, how about at least having men on the ground ( using local police manpower if needed ) whose job it would be to scan the higher floor building and their open windows all along the motorcade route with binoculars both before and especially during JFK's traveling underneath them? That simple yet practical security procedure should have easily been thought of by any responsible security planning parties especially considering JFK was riding underneath so many open window high rise buildings without his bubble top on, and the venomous hatred of JFK in Texas and Dallas at that time (highlighted by the "JFK WANTED FOR TREASON" flyers and newspaper ad ) which made this particular city one to keep a hyper-vigilant eye on during JFK's motorcade trip through it. And didn't the Miami police pass along their tape recorded JFK threat by serious danger Joseph Milteer about an attempt of JFK's life to the FBI and SS ( with specifics that matched the Dallas shooting to a tee) and which was made just two weeks before 11,22,1963? Upon receiving that tape recording transcript by a person who was known as a very serious threat to JFK, you would have thought that security responsible parties would have incorporated added security measures to any future JFK motorcades as I outlined above. Heck, half a dozen innocent, untrained, unmotivated and unequipped ( no binoculars ) bystanders on the sidewalks below the TXSBD building saw the gunman in the open windows there "with his rifle!" And within minutes of JFK's arrival! If they could see a rifle holding man in those windows, imagine what one or two trained security men with binoculars could have seen if only they had been instructed to scan these buildings just before and during JFK's arrival underneath them? The security lapses of including the Dealey Plaza last leg tour ( those shadow hiding place trees above the grassy knoll should have been another huge red flag ) which made for: 1: Incredibly sharp slowing down turns of JFK's limo. 2: No scanning of the high rise buildings along the motorcade route with binoculars during the motorcade presence. 3: The non-action of agent Roy Kellerman in the limo while JFK was being shot TWICE and Connolly once right behind him. 4: The stupid and totally against procedure stopping of the limo by agent Greer during the shooting. 5: The sideboard standing SS agents staying on their followup car during the shooting instead of immediate charging to the back of the JFK limo...except the too late Clint Hill doing so, etc, etc. All these worst case scenario plannings, decisions, actions and lapses should have resulted in wholesale firings, considering that the ultimate security let down in American history took place as a result.

Trying to make out the so-called crouching man on the balcony. Are you sure that is a person actually on the balcony versus someone sitting on a chair behind the unopened glass doors? One can see that the balcony railing only extends maybe 36 inches from the glass doors and even less that in height. Pretty tight quarters for a typical 6 ft. tall man to get below without getting on his knees? Still think the earlier picture of the young man walking away from the TXSBD on 11,22,1963 is a ringer for G.W. Bush who was 17 at the time and which seems to be the age of this preppy white socks wearing young man. And I too would like to see something in writing about G.W'S whereabouts that day. And it would seem that he would be in Texas near his parents during the Thanksgiving holiday time period. And his parents did stay in the Dallas Sheraton hotel the night before. Maybe Bush Jr. wanted to get his own up close and personal view of JFK and Jackie and perhaps asked his parents if could accompany them to Dallas to do so?

Was this person Shelley?

To include the Manson/Sharon Tate slaughter horror story to any degree in a film that is conceived as a nostalgic Hollywood film, music and Buddy comedy/drama more than anything else is ...well... kind of weirdly disturbing imo. I don't see the story value of including this monstrous event no matter how small a part or trivially implied it was. Some things and events are just so deep loss tragic, sad and brutal that they can only be recounted with somber reverence. Christ's crucifixion, the Jewish holocaust, JFK's, RFK's and MLK's assassinations and many others including even more obscure events such as the Black Dahlia murder. Not to be the ultimate sour puss but Tarantino's sense of film message and his often main characters unrealness ( Pulp Fiction ) doesn't do it for me.

How did Roscoe White come into personal possession of another BYP? Did he steal evidence held by the Dallas PD? If so, just another indication of his sneaky dishonest and nefarious motive character? If not acquired this way...what other?

I stayed up until 12:PM last night to hear the Manson story interview on C2C talk radio. A long time ago I mostly quit listening to Coast To Coast as it disturbed my 3 to 4 hours a night sleep pattern. When I listen to the program ( especially throughout it's entire 4 hours until 2:AM ) almost always I cannot fall asleep the rest of the night. This happened again last night. I am a wreck this morning as a result. Must say the interview was very interesting however. I've read about the MK ULTRA secret programs before and their activity involving social groups and movements deemed a threat to the powers to be in the 60's and 70's. Doug Caddy's book on Robert Merritt as posted here on the forum details this and the FBI COINTELPRO agenda which obviously reveals we definitely were in the grip of a completely out-of-control, constitutional civil rights violating highest governmental level police state throughout those times. The "Law & Order" agenda ( Nixon's campaign slogan) went into such power threatened paranoia and so far out of constitutional rights boundaries it took us into fascist mode. Some will still argue the violent uprising promoting "Black Panther" movement was so threatening it deserved to be dealt with in this manner but this out-of-control police state power surge ruthlessly went after anyone and everyone involved in even peaceful minded protest movements which our constitution supposedly guaranteed. Looking back and seeing the illegal no limits pounding reality of this constitutional rights violating hammer it truly shakes your historical perspective of our country and those who ran it back in those times to a frightening degree. And I am sure this same power abuse had much to do with JFK's removal as our president on 11,22,1963.

Two hours ago my wife returned from our local theater showing of "Once Upon A Time ..." ( packed audience ) and I asked her what she thought of the film. She said she liked it very much. She loves anything retro LA and the music and such kept her quite entertained. She said to her it was a movie about films. And the story of DiCaprio's Burt Reynolds character and Brad Pitt's Needham. When I asked about her feelings regarding the Manson and Tate murder aspect of the film and Tarantino's fairy tale take ending contrary to the true life tragic one, she shrugged as if she hadn't even thought about this part of the film in any historically correct critical way. I think the viewers of this film in general will have just about the same reaction to it as my wife who had a similar upbeat feeling entertained reaction to "La La Land."

I just recently viewed a 6 part documentary on Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys via You Tube. In one part there is quite a lot of discussion regards Dennis Wilson's personal involvement with Manson. It began with Wilson driving down the Coast highway and picking up two female hitchhikers who happened to be Manson's girls. This led to meeting Manson himself. Wilson was taken by Manson at first. And soon enough, Manson and his clan were living in Wilson's home with him! The open sex with Manson's harem surely had something to do with this. But things turned ugly of course and Wilson left the home and Manson's family who had to find new digs because of the cutoff. There is an account shared by one of Wilson's best friends after this split and the Beach Boys had recorded a song with some of Manson's lyrics but gave Manson no creative credit. Manson tracked down Wilson afterwards and violently confronted him about what Manson perceived to be the ultimate back stabbing act of leaving Manson out of this record's credits and royalties. The friend said Wilson went outside the house to deal with Manson and came in soon after ( white as a sheet) and frantically asked for his guitar and cash, which Wilson had to hand over to Manson that minute. Manson scared almost everyone he dealt with and even tough guy Dennis Wilson feared him greatly. When Manson was finally arrested and incarcerated, there was a big sigh of relief throughout L.A.

My wife is totally committed to seeing this film tonight. I mentioned our member reviews and she referred me to Mick LaSalle's review of this film in the San Francisco Chronicle. I just read LaSalle's review. Beyond fawning. The Robert Ebert movie review site also praises the film. Am I the only one that thinks Tarantino is way overrated? I couldn't stand Pulp Fiction. And John Travolta has never done if for me. I could never get "Vinnie Barbarino / Tony Manero" out of my mind no matter what role I viewed John Travolta in. "Battlefield Earth" is a classic though.

BUMPING.

I agree.

This would be a TV movie right? Seth Rogen as Walter Cronkite? Any thoughts on this casting choice J. McBride?

I never heard of this film. Just viewed the trailer. Can you share your thoughts about the connection you make with this film and the non-production of BLACKBIRD and Mamet himself?

David. I just accessed that first link you provided. Interesting review of and thought provoking commentary on Mamet's BLACK BIRD script. Intertwining the UFO story with the JFK assassination one would be a tricky credibility risking endeavor however imo. Doug Caddy does this and with enough real life high political and agency character connected gravitas ( William F. Buckley, E. Howard Hunt, etc. ) that it isn't automatically dismissible.

The day time murder of Lee Harvey Oswald ( probably the most threatened criminal suspect in America's history ) right inside the Dallas Police Department building with 70 to 90 armed and supposedly highest in their career security alert minded DPD and other agency personnel guarding entrances and exits, lined 2 to 3 deep in the short hallway walkway from the elevator to the waiting transport vehicle, two handcuffed to Oswald himself and at least one even embedded in the basement press crowd ( Blackie Harrison ) by a well known and instantly recognizable armed local strip joint owner who just happened to walk right past, through and down into all that unprecedented security to get right next to Lee Oswald on a supposedly last second grief stricken whim... left me with a sense of criminal intent suspicion first over simple innocent coincidence belief regards anything I ever read about the JFK assassination event after. Especially regarding the death of Dorothy Kilgallen who was telling a few close associates right before her strange set up demise, she was on the verge of blowing the JFK case wide open. Our federal presidential security failed in protecting JFK, the DPD failed in protecting suspect Lee Harvey Oswald and our 4th estate failed in protecting us from a controlled cover-up of the entire affair ever since. And someone failed to protect Dorothy Kilgallen and probably several others like her who too seriously threatened the cover-up. That's a lot of failure to protect. Which logically forces even a rational person to be cautiously skeptical versus instantly trusting of official determinations regards nefarious doings related to the JFK event.

I always believed I was very liberal in my appreciation of mankind made music and have always found it very enjoyable and sensory stimulating to listen to almost every form of it from time to time. And to ponder it's creation by, purpose of and effect on societies and individuals throughout human history. So much to consider from this perspective. With that said, the first time I heard a live performance of "acid rock" I felt as if the intent of this was truly to physically assault one's body and senses. My inner ear drums were painfully pierced with the most discordant highest decibel screeching and my body in total felt something akin to being hit by a sonic blast or electrically shocked with accompanying involuntary muscle spasming. My face surely showed this musical torture with extreme eye and jaw scrunching and grimacing and mental disorientation. I understand the adolescent hormone raging urge to experience rebellious and high risk behavior such as thrill rides at amusement parks and playing chicken and maybe stealing candy bars from the local convenience store to see if they can get away with this, but acid rock imo took this urge to a perverse new level of self-inflicted pain musical masochism. And wasn't body slamming and head banging the most popular dance style back then too? Boy, that acid rock generation sure must have had a lot of deep anger and frustration issues they needed to work out and express through this kind of music. Same with Rap the last 20 years.

Retired Dallas Sheriff Al Maddox is on video and audio record ( available on You Tube ) as stating that Jack Ruby passed him a personally written note in which he ( Ruby) states that there was a conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy and that his motive in shooting Oswald was to silence him. My question to those who still defend Ruby's previous claims of innocence of involvement in a JFK murder conspiracy and his motive for shooting Oswald was out of love and concern for Jackie Kennedy ... What do you make of Ruby's conspiracy acknowledging note to Sheriff Maddox? Also, I ask the same question regards Dallas Police Department dispatcher Billy Grammer in his statement that he believed it was Jack Ruby who called into his department the evening before 11,24,1963 warning of an attempt on Oswald's life the very next day and that the plans for moving Oswald should be changed? 0:45NOW PLAYING 0:55NOW PLAYING Interview with a guy who Jack Ruby passed a note to before he died. Crustysocks123 • 112K views10 years ago Jack Ruby passed a note to this guy before he died...he wanted someone to know? www.crustysocks.com. 1:18NOW PLAYING Ruby's murder of Oswald was premeditated JFK63Conspiracy • 19K views9 years ago Dallas Police Officer Billy Grammer, who was on communications duty on the night before Ruby murdered 1:04NOW PLAYING "His life depended on his getting Oswald" JFK63Conspiracy 52K views