Denny Zartman

Do the people who think Oswald acted alone believe that one of the bullets allegedly fired by Oswald missed and struck the curb near James Tague? If a bullet missed, why did it miss? Over the years I've heard at least three different Lone Nut explanations for the curb strike near Tague's feet, and I was curious if there was a current prevailing theory in the LN community. Thanks!

Do you mean moles?

It's a persuasive story, in my opinion. It would also appear to support Ricky's characterization of the Tippit encounter in the alleged first (and now missing) journal. It's a shame that hypnosis had to be used to recall any parts of Robinson's story, because that tends to throw some doubt. I'd give anything to know how much of Robinson's memories were independent recollection and exactly what parts were recovered through hypnosis.

Sure thing. I found your comments on White interesting as well. Please let me say that I recognize many people much more knowledgeable than I am and have been researching this for much longer disagree with me and believe that the “Roscoe White story” has been debunked years ago. For them this is very old news and ultimately unconvincing. I personally believe that there was a concentrated effort by some parties to discredit the Roscoe White story at the time Ricky and Geneva were making their stories public. Geneva’s faked journal is used by many to dismiss everything about Roscoe White… fruit from the poisoned tree, so to speak. That doesn’t quite make sense to me, since it seems that much of the admittedly circumstantial evidence that raises red flags about Roscoe White predates Geneva’s journal. From what I understand, the following claims listed below about Roscoe White seem to be true even if we do our best to disregard most of the statements and evidence brought forward by Ricky and Geneva. It appears that Roscoe White did not have law enforcement jobs on his resume either before or after his two-year stint with the Dallas PD. Of course, that’s proof of nothing more than that White’s time as a law enforcement officer was unique in his short professional career. Some people might argue that Roscoe White’s death at a young age could be considered suspicious. I don’t usually get into the suspicious death stuff, but it might be worth nothing when considering the entirety of the Roscoe White story. Both White and Oswald left the Marine Corps suddenly, due to hardship and dependency discharges respectively. - In 1957 Roscoe White, Lee Harvey Oswald, and over five hundred other Marines traveled on the U.S.S. Bexar to Atsugi, Japan. White married his teenage bride Geneva in 1956 and joined the United States Marine Corps a year later where he is stationed on the U.S.S. Bexar and sent to Japan. One of the other men on board was a Texan named Lee Harvey Oswald and following White's arrival in Japanese city of Atsugi he worked in the First Marine Air Wing. Advocates offer these connections between Lee Harvey Oswald and Roscoe White because they both are placed in the same military division and for a time sailed to Japan on the same military vessel. This biographic information is true; however, for context we might consider that over five hundred men were on the Bexar and roughly seven thousand other people were in the same Marine division. https://www.tpaak.com/problems-in-black-and-white - There also seems to be a possible link between White and Oswald, and the CIA. In November of the same year [1957], both White and Oswald ended up in Subic Bay, the Philippines, and, later, off the course of Indonesia as part of a secret CIA invasion force planned for that island nation. Roscoe White wrote of the matter to his wife, Geneva, in letters that survive, complete with their naval-vessel postmarks. Oswald talked with Priscilla McMillan about the incident, as she testified to Warren investigators. The “maneuvers” were protracted; the Marines did not return to their original assignments for several months. Did White, Oswald, both, or neither become trained intelligence assets during this clandestine action? “Oswald Talked” 1990 Ray and Mary La Fontaine, Pg. 334 - Roscoe White apparently had a connection to New Orleans, Louisiana. I do not know how well this is documented, but it might be worth noting and exploring further since New Orleans is clearly a place where Oswald spent time and where other persons and events connected to the JFK assassination were located. In the six years that followed, Rock White made a number of unexplained trips to New Orleans and other places. “I was never sure what was happening.” Geneva says, “but I was raised to let the man do the thinking and not ask questions.” https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/i-was-mandarin/ - It appears Roscoe White’s wife Geneva worked for Jack Ruby for a short time. Geneva worked for a few weeks as a hostess in Jack Ruby’s Carousel Club. https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/i-was-mandarin/ - Roscoe White started work with the Dallas Police Department on October 7, 1963, less than two weeks before Oswald was hired at the TSBD and less than two months before the JFK assassination. (4) October 7, 1963 Letter from Curry to file. White employed 10/07/63 filling vacancy of Wm. Smith, 1 page. http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/D%20Disk/Dallas%20Police%20Department/Dallas%20Police%20Department%20Disclosures%201992/Item%2003.pdf - Roscoe and Geneva White apparently had a third backyard photo with an alternate pose in their possession. In 1976, when the Senate Intelligence Committee was probing the role of the intelligence agencies in investigating the assassination, it found another pose in the same series of pictures. This was in the possession of a Dallas policeman's widow, the former Mrs. Roscoe White. She said her husband had told her it would be very valuable one day. As the polite prose of the congressional Assassinations Committee was to put it later. Policeman White had "acquired" the picture in the course of his duties after the assassination. A fellow officer has mentioned making "numerous" copies of the Oswald pictures for his colleagues. However, even if this particular print was intended merely as a keepsake, why was there no copy of it in the evidence assembled for the official inquiry? It reflects, at best, astonishingly sloppy handling of evidence. Several officers must have known about this version of the photograph in 1963, for it shows Oswald in a stance with the rifle which was copied in police reenactment experiments. Perhaps, indeed, they once knew of more copies. The last act of this comedy of police work does nothing to still the suspicions of those who suspect hanky-panky with the rifle poses. “The Kennedy Conspiracy” 1980 Anthony Summers, via https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwhiteR.htm - Roscoe and Geneva White also had roughly 39 other photos of JFK stuff, including a picture of a naked, dead Oswald and Oswald’s ID card from the Department of Defense. Included in the forty photographs were a picture of Oswald’s naked body on a morgue slab; numerous photos of Oswald’s personal possessions, including selective service and Marine service cards issued to Alek Hidell, Oswald’s alias; and a variation of the famous photograph of a smirking Oswald posing in a back yard with a rifle, a side arm, and copies of communist newspapers. https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/i-was-mandarin/ And he had something else – something that as we’ve seen (chapter 3) could be construed as evidence that Oswald worked for the CIA. He had a picture of Oswald’s Department of Defense ID card. “Oswald Talked” 1990 Ray and Mary La Fontaine, Pg. 335 - It seems that Roscoe White owned a 7.65 Mauser rifle, the same type as was first identified as the assassination rifle on the sixth floor of the TSBD. I do not know if this has been verified. Since it references a research team receiving the rifle, I don’t believe this factoid relies entirely upon the veracity of Ricky White alone: One of the pieces of evidence that Ricky turned over to the research team was his father’s 7.65 Mauser. https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/i-was-mandarin/ - Apparently Roscoe White was a skilled rifleman that specialized in surveying sites for target shooting. He was a superb marksman, and frequently wrote of his duties on the rifle range. One of these included developing a specialty in “surveying target sites.” “Oswald Talked” 1990 Ray and Mary La Fontaine, Pg. 334 - What were Roscoe White’s duties as a police officer for the Dallas Police Department? Page 7 of this following PDF of a 1990 draft of “The Roscoe White Story” author Paul Hoch says it’s “established” that White was working as a photographer for the DPD at the time of the assassination. http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/W%20Disk/White%20Roscoe%20Miscellaneous%20Sources/Item%2031.pdf But in 1975, Gerald Weatherly, assistant D.A. of Dallas County contacted the DPD and his contact said that there was no record of what division Roscoe White worked in during his two years as a Dallas police officer. Today by phone Miss Slovacek of the Personnel Department of that Police Force told me, on consulting, as she said, a card in the records there, that Roscoe A. White “was employed” by and on that Police Force… but that that card “doesn’t say where or on what division or where he was working.” “Oswald Talked” 1990 Ray and Mary La Fontaine, Pg. 337 - Okay, here are my opinions again. I did my best, other than the possible New Orleans connection, to exclude what I felt were unverifiable claims that relied on Ricky or Geneva alone. Adding their claims, and those of others, there is much more that could be added to the “Roscoe White Story.” Even removing the New Orleans connection and the possible ownership of a Mauser rifle, and dismissing the connections to Oswald and Ruby, it appears to me that some facts still stand. And in my opinion one fact stands out the most: On the day of the assassination and for days afterward, Roscoe White had access to a Dallas police officer’s uniform and seemed to have unfettered access to critical JFK assassination evidence. There seems to be no question about that. Few things would be more valuable to conspirators, but that's only my opinion.

Amadeus appears to be correct. According to the Ciccone map, the couple northeast of Zapruder and Sitzman are Charles and Beatrice Hester

This brings back memories. The James Files confession video was one of the things I purchased when I was first getting into researching the JFK assassination. I didn't find his confession believable back then, and that was during a time when I knew almost nothing at all about the case. I've occasionally worried that I dismissed Files and his story too soon. I evaluated him almost entirely on his demeanor (and that I also believed anyone actually involved as a shooter would either be long gone or silenced long ago.) Not great reasons for dismissing someone's story without further research, but I wouldn't be honest if I said my views on Files haven't changed much in the years passed. It seems I do disagree a bit with others here on Roscoe White, though. I don't believe that one must accept all aspects of the White family story if one believes that Roscoe White was likely involved. In my opinion, the circumstantial evidence is compelling. It's probably better to discuss that on a Roscoe White thread anyway.

I have physical copies of the Ciccone map and accompanying book. I could try emailing the author again for you if you'd like.

Thanks very much!

Does anyone have a working link to this story?

Sorry, Jim. I wasn't trying to disparage those books or use "outdated" as a pejorative. I just wanted to acknowledge that much has been learned since they were written, as you yourself said in the introduction of your latest book. I'd continue to recommend the first edition of "Crossfire" to beginners and "Accessories After The Fact" to anyone wanting a useful reference book on the JFK assassination. A few months ago, I was able to quickly and easily find an obscure fact in "Accessories..." that had defied my Google-Fu, so I definitely believe "Accessories..." still has tremendous value. I apologize if it seemed like I was belittling either book.

Good luck, David. I don't know how anyone could teach a short course on this subject, especially using short texts and no full JFK books. I hope you'll keep us updated on how it goes. I'd be very curious as to the questions your students come up with after their first exposure to the subject. Mark Lane's "A Lawyer's Brief" is quite outdated but still worth reading. Fidel Castro's two speeches also bring up some good points worth consideration. For the anti-conspiracy side, I don't think you can do much better than the WC report and "Case Closed". "Reclaiming History" would be good for you to have on hand as a reference work when you want to use the index and know the LN side of any argument, but no one other than a dedicated researcher is ever going to read "Reclaiming History" book straight through. It seems that you're not looking for books to use in the course, but maybe at the end you could provide a list of further reading for students who might have their interest sparked. Here would be a few of my suggestions to add. "The JFK Assassination Evidence Handbook" by Mike Davis. Maybe the best current comprehensive JFK conspiracy book that's under 200 pages. The first edition of "Crossfire" by Jim Marrs. Outdated, but IMHO for beginners a slightly more accessible book than most, including Marrs's own later edition. "Accessories After The Fact" Sylvia Meagher. Also outdated but excellently organized and still quite useful, especially when examining the internal contradictions of the Warren Report. "Head Shot" by G. Paul Chambers. Gives a decent overview of a few assorted aspects of the assassination from the perspective of a physicist, which makes it a bit different from many other JFK assassination books. And it's shorter than most, as well. (I think this is an important book that often gets overlooked.) "Best Evidence" by David Lifton. It's long and much more focused on the medical evidence than giving an overview of the entire assassination. The personal narrative makes it compelling reading, it's educational when it comes to understanding the medical evidence, and of course the theory Lifton proposes makes it a landmark work whether or not you agree with his conclusion.

Dr. Baxter is quoted in the WC as saying the wound "could well represent either exit or entry wound" but completely contradicts himself in an interview taped in 1979, where he reportedly said it was an entrance wound. Other than Dr. Baxter, I haven't found any medical professional from Parkland on record as saying JFK's anterior neck wound was possibly one of exit. I also have not yet found a medical professional at Parkland that opined JFK's anterior neck wound was definitely one of exit. Using Vincent Palamara's 2015 book "JFK: From Parkland To Bethesda" as my master source, I find that, in addition to Dr. Malcolm Perry and Nurse Audrey Bell, the following persons at Parkland also characterized JFK's anterior neck wound as one of entrance. Dr. William Clark: "Dr. Kemp Clark...said that there were two wounds, a traumatic wound in the back of the head and a small entrance wound below the Adam's apple..." Pg. 1 Dr. Robert McClelland.: "this [the neck wound] did appear to be an entrance wound." ... "Dr. Robert Mc Clelland ... told me afterward that they still believed it [the neck wound] to be an entry wound." Pgs. 7-8 Dr. Marion Jenkins: saw an entry wound on JFK's neck; would let their 1963 observations stand. Pg. 13 Dr. Charles Carrico: "small penetrating wound of ent. neck" Pg. 14 Dr. Ronald Jones: "The hole [in the throat] was very small and relatively clean cut, as you would see in a bullet that is entering rather than exiting from a patient." ... "compatible with an entrance wound ... I would stand by my original impression." Pgs. 15-16 Dr. Gene Akin: "this [the neck wound] must have been an entrance wound..." Pg. 17 Dr. Paul Peters: "...we saw the wound of entry in the throat..." Pg. 19 Dr. Charles Crenshaw: "There were two wounds to the President that we observed at parkland. The first was a small and neat entrance wound to the throat..." Pg. 22 Dr. Charles Baxter: The wound in the neck was "no more than a pinpoint. It was made by a small caliber weapon. And it was an entry wound." Pg. 24 Dr. Joe Goldstritch: "...I realized how impossible it would have been for the neck wound I saw to have been an exit wound..." Pg. 44 Nurse Diana Bowron: "...the entry wound in his throat...looked like an entry wound." Pg. 33 Nurse Margaret Hinchliffe: "...a little hole in the middle of his neck ... About as big as the end of my little finger...An entrance bullet hole---it looked to me like...I have never seen an exit bullet hole---I don't remember seeing one that looked like that."; "...it was just a small wound and wasn't jagged like most of the exit bullet wounds that I have seen." ... "She also insisted the President had an "entry" wound in his throat." ... "Throat wound---Definitely an entrance wound. Resented Arlen Specter trying to get her to say it might be an exit wound..." Pgs 35-36 In summary, Adding Dr. Perry and Nurse Bell, that seems to total 11 Parkland doctors and 3 nurses characterizing JFK's anterior neck wound as an entrance wound, with only one (Dr. Baxter) once saying that it could have either been entrance or exit, and then later contradicting himself and claiming that he believed it was one of entrance. On the opposite end of this, there seems to be not one medical professional at Parkland who saw JFK's neck wound and consistently said that they believed it could have been either one of entrance or exit, or that they believed it was one of exit.

How does that change the quote from Dr. Perry? Livingstone quotes Perry as saying "My whole credibility as a trauma surgeon was at stake... I couldn't have made a mistake like that. It destroys my integrity if I don't know an entrance wound from an exit wound!"

It doesn't make sense because, among other reasons, Oswald didn't have a motive and Oswald didn't have an escape plan.

David really wanted to make sure that the new guy Chris didn't get any ideas in his head about Oswald being not guilty. It's very important to this man, whose job is verifying the truth in the news department of WFAA, in 2019, to make sure all the news anchors believe Oswald is guilty.

Interesting. I'm looking forward to checking it out.

Reported.

Gee whiz, it's been proven that Oswald was in the sniper's nest merrily shooting away. Why oh why would anyone have to threaten Frazier about anything at all? Keep silent about what? If everything points conclusively to Oswald's guilt, there should be nothing to keep silent about, right?

I know it's probably an actual oddity rather than anything significant, but when I read it, my first thought was "Wow. No way in the world that's real." I was positive that it had to be some joke by a Wikipedia editor, yet it seems to be a fact. I'm sure much better minds than mine have noticed this long ago. I'm just struck by, out of all of the names in the country, it just happened to be that particular one. I don't think of Oswald as being a common last name, but maybe I'm wrong on that. I try to always be skeptical of anything in this case that relies on sheer coincidence for an explanation. I'm not making any theory about it (I don't think), just noting how unlikely and strange it is.

I think it's a significant find, and I also thank you for bringing it to our attention. It's an important piece of the puzzle.

So anti-JFK Hunt or his people decided after the assassination to have a meeting with the lone assassin's widow in order to mitigate potential criticism from pro-JFK folks? That doesn't seem to make sense. Seems to me if you don't want to bring attention to your previous anti-JFK positions, you don't go around making contact with the killer's widow. And how exactly would this criticism-mitigating pr plan work if the meeting is kept secret?

Why in the world would Hunt want to meet with Marina? I'd also like to know more about this alleged meeting. Steve is right. If there was a meeting, the Hunt note should probably be reevaluated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harrelson And Boom goes the Mind. Probably of no material significance, but seriously, what are the chances of a coincidence that weird?

Did Marina socialize with anyone during her time in Dallas?