Michael Clark

22 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

It was a 180 day visa, but Oswald did not apply for it.  Is That what someone new to the subject or thread should conclude? Mr. Josephs.  I realize their is much more detail.

I won't speak outright for David, but If you read his brilliant Mexico City work, the point is that the evidence is a cobbled together mass of manufactured, manipulated and forged garbage. The visa documentation is inconsistent with the official story; in this case, I believe, the HSCA Lopez report.

Just a heads-up to those that may not know....

DVP is a master at throwing topics off track, like this very thread you are reading.

And, this is is what he does with his participation here:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/assorted-assassination-arguments.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/02/

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2017/01/

While it Is important to have all points of view here at EF, I don't see why EF should be feeding his ego-archive off site.

Edit "heads-up" inserted in place of "reminder". An u

Re: James McCord Jr.

"McCord worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1961, and under his direction, a counter-intelligence program was launched against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee." (Wikipedia; Oswald and the CIA by John Newman p.138)

On 7/26/2017 at 2:55 PM, Cory Santos said:

Ignoring the anti Trump comments, 

To be sure, my earlier Trump comments were not anti-Trump; it was a fair characterization. There is nothing he won't use to his perceived advantage.

His seizing upon the National Enquirer article identifying Ted Cuz's father as being present in the NOLA FPPC leafleting pictures with LHO is a prime example.

58 minutes ago, Mathias Baumann said:

Tracy,

I work as a language teacher. I know plenty of people who've lived here in Germany for many years and they're nowhere close to a native speaker's level. In fact some people never reach it. So yes, if Oswald's Russian was good enough to fool native speakers that fact is very remarkable.

You're also forgetting that Oswald passed the Marine Corps exam (allegedly) without proper preparation. And that test was probably level L2/R2, which would've required at least 100 to 200 lessons of preparation.

So was Oswald a language genius? I could find no evidence in his High School records that would support this.

By the way, how long did it take Marina to become fluent in English? That's not a trick question, I'm actually curious about this.

Last I heard her speak, she still has a thick accent and does not have grasp of English verbs and tenses. 

Some people just Don't have that ability to adapt and adopt a new language. I can't understand 90% of what my Italian barber says, and I've been going to him for almost 25 years.

Some people have an exceptional ability to make such adaptations. I'm not saying it is exceptional intelligence, it is just a knack, so to speak. I am kind of like that; If I spend time away, where there is an accent or different word usages, I start involuntarily picking those usages-up, I can't help it.

James McCord Jr. Is still alive.

"McCord worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1961, and under his direction, a counter-intelligence program was launched against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee" (Wikipedia)

Harry, this is off topic for this thread but allow me to ask:

Did you ever cross paths with James McCord Jr. when he's was leading the CIA counter-intelligence program against the FPCC? Is there anything about this in your posts or in Crosstrails?

From Wikipedia:

"McCord worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. In 1961, and under his direction, a counter-intelligence program was launched against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee"

4 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Y'know Dave...  the extra BS you tag onto the end of your "I don't know" reply is superfluous.

IOW - nobody needs it or cares for it...   I did not ask you 15 questions, I asked one for which you do not have an answer

That you can regurgitate the same WCR arguments that have been debunked on these pages is a laugh.

The final laugh is you talking for "many CTers".   Defend your own pathetic arguments and let me defend mine... K?

Don't tell me what I already know, if you could PROVE you are right about any one thing of significance, you wouldn't be the posting laughing stock you are.

We all appreciate you aggregating videos and films... your inability to construct a coherent defense of any of your/WCR conclusions is all that anyone cares about anymore.

As the mouthpiece of the WCR you have no credibility here...  just like Specter, Jenner, Liebeler, Ball and on and on.

Until you actually attempt gaining some credibility... why should anyone care about your repeated description of who CTers are and what you think we think?

You can't get any of the WCR evidence to support your conclusion...  that must really suck for you. 

Ha Ha! I think you ruined his plan to post this thread in his little Hall of Selective Fame that he maintains on his website. 

Lois was pretty clear about what she knew, didn't know, what she saw and what was speculation on her part.

Her belief that John had a hand in body alteration and that he went to Washington was speculation and she says so.

What she states as fact is the following points:

- John was called away from a family funeral immediately after the assassination.

- He disappeared for twenty four hours.

- He came home after 24 hours, stressed, disheveled and exhausted.

- He took the whole family south, saying that they needed to "let the whole thing blow over".

-' They went to Corpus Christie, to a hotel.

- They stayed in a hotel, with John stressed-out, watching TV on Sunday.

- They watched LHO get shot and then John said it's all ok now, and they returned home.

I am not interested in the body alteration stuff, the info above is interesiting enough for me.

John is interesting to me because his actions compare well with the Carouse crew, including Crafard, Ruby, Senator

8 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Dave...

Of course there is room there, stamps need to leave room for when a 1 is actually there.

You seem to be ignoring the "noise" of the paper itself and the limitation of the file.  

The thing you are calling a "1" is simply part of the pattern in the paper.  A real 1 looks like the 1 in front of 1963.

I put arrows near similar paper designs and even took one, rotated it to be vertical and show how identical they are.

Sorry buddy, no "1" there.  So explain how a letter typed on the 9th is postmarked the 2nd?

Oh, and how come they didn't give Oswald a 6 month visa from that 6 month application?

If we want to see the "1" that DVP says is there, I can see similar phantom digits in multiple locations. It just isn't there.

***edit... I see that David Josephs already made that point.

1 hour ago, Larry Hancock said:

Michael is concerned by a thread diversion here but I need to offer one more possibility.....this is just from memory but I think the two crop duster types attended the same meeting (DRE) that Oswald was reportedly sighted at.  That never was confirmed but it would have been SOP for the FBI to be monitoring such meetings and if they were aware of both Oswald and had the crop duster pilots as suspected infiltrators it could well explain Hosty's comments.  Again, just from memory but worth pondering.

I'm not really that concerned. I just like to give members an opportunity for their posts to fill-out relevant threads. 

45 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

Aside from Nigel Turner's fabrications, what is true in John Liggett's biography?  Is the murder-arson story, with Ligget's subsequent arrest and killing while trying to escape, true?

The Liggett saga reads like a chapter from a James Ellroy novel.  This would be remarkable were it not that so many sidebars to the assassination read like they were invented by James Ellroy.

Jim's post states that john Liggets brother confirms the story surrounding John's arrest and demise.

Malcolm really only denies his knowledge and participation, from Jim's post

7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

In 2005, A and E Settled with Malcolm out of court.

The last three shows Turner produced were based on the Liggetts, Judy Baker, and Barr McClellan.  That trio may be fine with you, but its not at all fine with me.

Maybe this is why we get things like Tracking Oswald Today

Thanks Jim, but the "Smoking Guns" episode had more than just Lois Liggets story in it. It would also be of some importance to know the disposition of the lawsuit. 

Again thanks for providing more info, but I don't feel like the story has been debunked. The meat and potatoes are still there. 

More importantly, these shows go back to a time when some charachters, like Judith, were still being vetted and researchers were still sorting these things out. It's easy to make them look bad now for any of their failures.

2 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

The "1" is definitely there in CE16, Michael. It's just very dim. The reason I know it's there is because Oswald wrote that letter on 11/9/63. Therefore, the postmark for such a letter cannot possibly be 11/2/63.

Are you actually claiming that the envelope seen in CE16 is a fake envelope with a forged postmark? Really??

I just know that your using your conclusion to support your premise, it's a fallacy.

9 minutes ago, Roger DeLaria said:

Lois Liggett always seemed credible to me. Her words and demeanor don't show me otherwise. 

I feel the same way Roger.

One parallel I see, and it is a nearly exact parallel, is the time line, actions and demeanor of Jack Ruby through this period; culminating in the description of him (can't remember who described this) in jail, an emotional basket case, smoking cigarettes ( he didn't smoke) until he heard that LHO was dead. There seems to be something huge going on, even beyond their involvement in the killing of a president.

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Michael:

Do you know what his story is about, I mean in detail?

 

Jim, All I know is that "boloney" is far from a critical analysis that doesn't address anything the prior postings in this thread or any of the, say, 10 points that one might make about Lois' story.  I'm also left wondering why Turner is a bad guy. All I have is that Jim Di Eugenio says-so.

Was Lois John's wife?

Was he a mortician?

Was he a master mortician?

Was he called away from a family funeral on 11-22?

Did he disappear for the next 24 hours?

Did he grab the family and get out of Dodge for the next 24 hours?

Was he freaking out until he heard the LHO was killed?

Was Lois a xxxx?

Was her daughter a xxxx?

Was he arrested for murder?

Was he shot in the back by the DPD while trying to escape?

and on and on and on....

Is it all boloney, or just part of it?

Most of the story is directly from Lois and the daughter.

Where did Nigel Turner go wrong with this story?

Jim, you have quite a reputation. Burying everything these witnesses say with a blanket of boloney isn't good enough, especially when there is a lot of input from forum members, a click away.

1 hour ago, David Von Pein said:

 Many factors could explain why the "1" in the March 12th postmark showed up very clearly, but the "1" in the postmark on Oswald's November 12th envelope didn't show up very well. 

 

DVP, The "1" didn't show up at all. It's not there. It never was. 

Perhaps you should go look for it in the Apollo Moon Mission threads. You might be able to come-up with a better argument after that sojourn to an altered reality. The one you are presenting here isn't going to work out well for you.

Lois Liggett and her daughter state that the were on the run, driving south from Dallas to Corpus Christie from Saturday 11-23 Into Sunday, 11-24. They state that John Liggett was in a panic until he watched Jack Ruby kill LHO on TV. He then calmed down and said it was ok to return home. 

This part of their story is of great interest to me. If anyone believes that this part of their story is bunk, that would, likewise, be important to me.

What Part of her story is ""Boloney"?

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Jom Di Eugenio wrote;

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Michael:

The whole John Liggett story is a pile of baloney.  There was a lawsuit over this.  My sources say that Billy Sol Estes had a role in beginning it.

That should tell you something. Nigel Turner was never a good guy for our side.  Remember the whole Christian David story?  Which did not pan out to say the least.

Boy, when you go to work on this site, you alter about six threads and bring things up from eons ago.

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lois Liggett speaks near the end of this video

And, to be sure, this thread was incomplete without Lois Speaking her story. 

And I might as well link to where this fits in-to my spidery-legged CT.

On 7/25/2017 at 8:48 PM, James DiEugenio said:

Michael:

The whole John Liggett story is a pile of baloney.  There was a lawsuit over this.  My sources say that Billy Sol Estes had a role in beginning it.

That should tell you something. Nigel Turner was never a good guy for our side.  Remember the whole Christian David story?  Which did not pan out to say the least.

Boy, when you go to work on this site, you alter about six threads and bring things up from eons ago.

Lois ligget's words speak for themselves. Lawsuits are meaningless, especially when it is not explained why a suit was raised, with no mention of who it was against, who brought it, or what it's disposition was. It's a nothing burger without more info. The words of Lois Liggett are, and will always be, the words of Lois Liggett.

I am unaware of the Christian David story.

I haven't altered anything Jim. I've been told that my bumping has annoyed.... If I raise an old thread it is to keep other threads on-topic, or otherwise worthwhile. 

Edit**** my above response to Jim was inadequate, so I created a proper response here....

Thanks Jim, yet, I was fishing, from EF member Daniel Mayer, a NOLA resident, for some info on Frenchy. He was the same age as Oswald and a gangster from NOLA. I am baffled as to how he receives no mention in the JFKA. Daniel is a musician. French's murderer was a musician. Daniel may have some information. It may be a new Lead.

Lois Ligget is very credible in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" part 7 (towards the end). Her children are interviewed in this video and may very well still be alive.

On 10/1/2010 at 3:41 PM, Daniel Meyer said:

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Quoting in case Daniel receives forum notifications.