Michael Clark

I veered-off on to the phone call.... above.

Imagine later testimony, or an interrogation, if things rolled-out in a very different way. What's Michal or Ruth going th say;...."Insert vastly more incriminating statement that actually happened, and for which there is a recorded phone call or multiple witnesses" here.?

I am thinking the phone call was a sheep-dipping operation. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, including Nixon and Rabin, went through the process. The Warren report did not even have to support it, or be factual about that call; the message was sent, even Michael was given the "out" (that he was not at work on Saturday to take or place that call). The details could always be changed. The "Confidential informant" who spread the rumor which the WC saw-fit to ask-about in session, and his correct statement, could always turn-up later.

I assume that I am on Paul's ignore list.

Paul, what are you reading to come-up with this stuff? That is not a reading of events, it is fiction or it is not. Where are you extracting this data from? Would you care to share? ill share something. I'll post where the item I am sharing comes from. In the article I'll share, sources are cited. "Later in life when Paine was on assignment in Nicaragua during the 1990s, she very briefly and opaquely opened up to a friend concerning the murder and her part in it: There was, however, one occasion when the friend tried to bring up the assassination when Ruth began to say how sad she was that her daughter (then about 40) was estranged from her. Ruth said that her daughter told her that she refused to talk to her until “she came to grips with the evil that she had been associated with.” The friend said that Ruth had tears in her eyes when she said this and was certain that this was a veiled reference to the Kennedy assassination." http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2013/09/why-cia-assigned-ruth-paine-to-oswalds.html?m=1 See how that works Paul? You can see that I am not making stuff up. One has to assume that you are making stuff up, unless you provide a source for what otherwise appears to be your own fiction. Regards, Michael

Assuming that the Tage curb-shot came from a location near Elm and Houston, the running-guy, near to the right of the light pole in the above pic, had to have been close to that bullet when it came flying by. And, man, he looks like it. He is running in a direction that makes sense for that shot. Check-out the Frames that show this guy. He holds his hand to his head twice. He looks like he is wounded.

The WC testimony of MP, that I have, does not provide a time for the call. AFAIK, Ruth is never asked. Mr. LIEBELER - Now, there has been a report that on November 23, 1963, there was a telephone call between a man and a woman, between the numbers of your residence and the number of your office, in which the man was reported to have said in words or substance, "We both know who is responsible for the assassination." Have you been asked about this before? Mr. PAINE - I had heard that--I didn't know it was associated with our numbers. I had heard a report that some telephone operator had listened in on a conversation somewhere, I don't know where it was. I thought it was some other part of the country. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you talk to your wife on the telephone at any time during Saturday, November 23, on the telephone? Mr. PAINE - I was in the police station again, and I think I called her from there. Mr. LIEBELER - Did you make any remark to the effect that you knew who was responsible? Mr. PAINE - And I don't know who the assassin is or was; no, so I did not. Mr. LIEBELER - You are positive in your recollection that you made no such remark? Mr. PAINE - Yes.

Sorry Jim, didn't mean to post to this thread. I reposted your question below...

I would love to see a follow-up from Ashton on that research.

Tupac was actually shot and killed in Las Vegas....

"And while this is still being narrowed down, it's beginning to look like Liddy's little D.C. and Ohio trips very well might have coordinated awfully closely with Ruth Hyde Paine's little trip to Washington, D.C., to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and to Ohio between 24 August and 10 September 1963. And if that's not scary enough, look at this little section of timeline: On Thursday, 22 August 1963, the CIA again granted an Approval for Liaison with John Lindsay Hoke "on a continuing basis," reaffirming his clearance for classified information "up to and including Top Secret." Three days later, on Sunday, 24 August 1963, Ruth Hyde Paine traveled to Baltimore, Maryland, then the next day to Washington, D.C. "to stay with sister." And "sister" happens to be Sylvia Hyde Hoke—who has a CIA-blessed secret clearance from AID, and whose husband is John Lindsay Hoke. Five days later, on Thursday, 29 August 1963, Ruth Hyde Paine left the Hokes and went to Paoli, Philadelphia, just outside Philadelphia, to "wait for" her father would will join her there. Her father, of course, is William Avery Hyde, also of AID. On 10 September 1963, Ruth Hyde Paine left Paoli for Ohio to see "relatives and friends." Also in Ohio is the headquarters of Marathon Oil—where G. Gordon Liddy was afoot around this time. Ashton Gray" From this thread:

Welcome back Paul, No-one necessarily had to "order" a phone tap, at least not in the sense that I assume you are thinking. Anyone with a "butt-in" test set (a phone with aligator clips) could have listened-in to that call. I don't recall what the two ends of that call were, but if one end was the police station in Dallas, or nearby, it could have been in a manhole or tunnel under the street, in Dallas.

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