Michael Clark

Iganov.. working the phone tap, directed by... Hunt, who wrote the letter, (or informed LHO about his FBI status).... who was instructed by MCcord, who was working off of plans drawn-up by..... Liddy, who, with William F. Buckley were working with the nod of the NE establishment. .?

At 22:00 "you pick up wetbacks in chihuaja, you back them in anything on wheels, You promise them freedom and you give them death, you are an assassin, you are a butcher!" Not much has changed in 33 years, Rip Torn is great, great movie.

And Paul, as usual, shows no respect to forum members or the casual reader by not offering a Warren Commission quote. ---------------------------- ""Paul has told me point blank that he repeats himself ad infinitum in order to influence the casual passers by here." (intentionally in quoted and no reference made to the originating thread)

He he he he!... lol! I actually feel kind of bad, It is not my nature to be amused by watching another person crumble in a way that Paul is crumbling. I am looking to reset myself, but not in this post!

"Carroll is a recognized authority on the history of the Society of Friends on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and Virginia" I keep getting drawn towards the Quaker angle. We're not talking about farmers and horse carts. And while pacifism sounds great, I am seeing that as more af an excuse to send other guys to die thing. William Buckley's father was buried in a NC Quaker cemetery, yet he was, I believe, Catholic.

Ok, I jumped the gun, not James, bother of the famou WFB. Yet, the Buckleys had roots in Dallas.

Man, the early EF researchers seemed to have been digging through a trove, tossing aside silver, looking for gold. I'm not calling any fault, I'm just thankful that they have turned-up and documented all of this stuff.

Quoted from above: Mr. Dolva, that's way more than just curious!!!!! "Another curious FWIW: William Frank Buckley, Jr. (b. 1925) — also known as William F. Buckley, Jr. — of Manhattan, New York County, N.Y. Born in New York, New York County, N.Y., November 24, 1925. Brother of James Lane Buckley; married 1950 to Patricia Taylor."

Kenneth Carroll was a Swathmore Graduate. Swathmore (Donald Trump) and Phillidelphia keeps turning-up under ever stone that I look under. http://www.swarthmore.edu/Library/friends/ead/5287carr.xml Abstract Kenneth Carroll was a professor of Religious studies at Southern Methodist University in Dallas beginning in 1952. He also spent a sabbatical at Haverford College as the T. Wistar Brown Fellow in 1969 and 1970 and retired to Easton, Maryland, in 1986. Carroll is a recognized authority on the history of the Society of Friends on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and Virginia and has written widely on this and other subjects. Collection primarily consists of correspondence related to Carroll's research and publications, but also includes writings and miscellaneous papers.

Sure, Paul, Angleton had a concrete cell built inside an ordinary home in Washington; he had Nosenko, a LHO contact, tortured and interrogated for three years; and it's just some hubbub, in YOUR, sadistic, warped, opinion; and a humble opinion, at that.

Paul Trejo knows. He speaks otherwise. I am avoiding the four letter word which that equates-to.

Yup, Paul is wrong, and he knows it.

2 hours ago, Paul Trejo said: "Bear in mind, that mailing any letter to the Soviet Embassy in Washington DC would guarantee that the FBI would intercept it. So, if (and only if) Lee Harvey Oswald actually wrote this letter (as I maintain), he would certainly know this. " (Bold, above, is mine) Paul So, if LHO did not mail the letter, he would not know that such a letter would be intercepted? I am not seeing anything coherent in your argument.

(Bold, above, is mine) Paul So, if LHO did not mail the letter, he would not know that such a letter would be intercepted? I am not seeing anything coherent in your argument.

Paul, you are conflating what you are referring to as a "transcript" with what you are quoting as a "fib". Why don't You quote and source you're "original transcript" and why do you quote your "fib" without sourcing it. Are you making stuff up?

Also, I do frequently edit-in some new information on threads so I don't have to bump a thread. I always make a note of that when I do it. If I have never replied to a thread, then I do not have a place to edit-in anything, in which case I have to bump it with a response.

Also, I was given more to chew on and hopefully will have some confirmation tomorrow that the Carousel/Mac Liggett/Ruby photo is properly Identified. I made an inquiry today and I expect a response tomorrow.

Following Kirk... I am not sure how these things work, but I have the impression that a person or entity can sue someone, then settle out of court, under a confidential agreement for one dollar. The record will show that the suit was in some way successful. I apreciate that Jim, as a researcher, or due to some history, cannot, or will not, give an inch on somebody like Nigel Turner's witnesses without feeling like he has lowered his own bar in regards to recearch cridibility. So the baby goes out with the bath water. But that does not have to be the case for everyone. The rest of us can say that, for example, Lois Liggett is credible and her story makes sense, without any deference to the credibility of Nigel Turner. That said, I'd like to see a researcher be more up-front with the reality of that situation More importantly I would have much more respect for a researcher who can express that situation in critical terms, instead of normative terms lie "boloney", "poppycock" or "hogwash". All that said, Jim doesn't owe me anything, my expectations are set, and I thank him for what he does.

Quoting Jim here so he gets a notification of this response if he has notifications set on. I also edited-in a link in the original thread so others can see this more-thorough and more-honest reply than I gave in the original thread.

Since my response to the following statement was not strictly true, I felt it deserved an explanation. Jim Di Eugenio said: "Boy, when you go to work on this site, you alter about six threads and bring things up from eons ago" My reply was: "I haven't altered anything Jim. I've been told that my bumping has annoyed.... If I raise an old thread it is to keep other threads on-topic, or otherwise worthwhile. " I replied as I did because I had not altered anything at the time Jim made his post, I don't know what he was referring to. Also, the thread I was responding to had been updated a few times, the last being 2013. It makes far more sense to add to an existing thread than create a new one, unless admin or consensus says otherwise, which has not been the case. In fact, since coming to EF, I have received a lot of support, encouragement and thanks for "going through the stuff in the basement and attic", so to speak. I have altered other threads. These were threads that were meant to be altered and have posts changed-out, like my Top Ten thread. I have deleted posts that were in response to infighting which I engaged in, and don't belong on the forum, as a matter of decorum. I have not "altered" threads with the perpose of materially changing the record that forum posts create. I have not altered a thread in an unethical or cowardly way, or to hide that I have made some stupid or errant claim; those posts remain.

He is often identified as Gary Eugene Marlowe sorry for the bump...

(E-mail to Ernie) "No, there is no truth that we removed any of your comments because of your tone, or anything having to do with you, or any individual. We made the decision several months ago to disable all comments on our entire website, as moderation of the comment board was becoming too time consuming for our small operation." We have seen that before, in the "Harrry Dean: Memoirs" thread... "When I intruded into the thread at 1504 it was because of what Thomas Graves had posted at 1503. He had warned that this conduct may continue after the chill urged the the administration. I suggested we would be disappointed if it did so. Effectively pointing out we expect both parties to comply with Kathy’s instructions. It is clear to me Ernie Lazar has indeed complied, however it is less clear that Paul Trejo has changed after the 72 hour chill. This thread is now closed. James Gordon"

On the Michele Clark thread the links to this article were redirected to oblivion. I am fixing those links here. The article is titled "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage" by Sherman Skolnik http://www.apfn.org/skolnicksreport/shistory.html http://www.apfn.org/skolnicksreport/shistory2.html http://www.apfn.org/skolnicksreport/shistory3.html http://www.apfn.org/skolnicksreport/shistory4.html

The above is from the following thread. I would love to have that link to Ferrie's phone records to see if there is a connection to the Liggetts, the funeral home, or even the Carousel.

David, I edited-in some more information on that in the last post of the previous page. I didn't want to keep bumping the thread.