Michael Clark

Can someone verify what Paul is talking about with the second call, or is this one of his myths? I would dig-in, but I would be looking through 5000 questions in testimony, just from Ruth, to look for something that I don't recall being there.

Thanks Gene. And as an FYI, one of my Mcadams PDF's of Mr. Paine's testimony does mention the waitress. Mcadams has three WC testimony docs for Michael Paine. The one quoted below is undated. The other two are March 17 and July 23.(It's just another example of how Paul's reliance on myth for his posts is disrespectful and causes confusion and makes work for other members) Mr. PAINE - A student, a co-op student called Dave Noel happened to be with me. We happened to be talking about the character of assassins at that lunch-time, of all things. Mr. LIEBELER - Prior to the time you heard of the assassination? Mr. PAINE - That is right. When we first sat down at the meal we were discussing it, beside the point, except unless you believe in extrasensory perception, but we happened to just--we didn't have enough historical knowledge to explore it, but I just raised the question and tried to pursue it, and then dropped it, and then a waitress came and said the President had been shot, and I thought she was cracking a nasty joke, and went over to a cluster of people listening around a transistor set, and heard there was some commotion of this sort from the tone of the voice of the transistor set, and we went back to the lab where there is a good radio, and followed the news from there. When it was mentioned, the Texas School Book Depository Building was mentioned, then I told Frank Krystinik that that was where Lee Oswald worked, and then in a few minutes he came back and said, he asked me, didn't I think I had better call the FBI and tell them. So over a period of about 20 minutes, I trying to carry on work in a foolish way, or talking or discussing other things or something, we were discussing this problem, and I thought, I said to myself, or said to him, that the FBI already knew he worked there. Everybody would know he was a black sheep, and I didn't want to--a friend or one of the few friends in position of friendship to him, I didn't want to--join the mob barking at his heels or join in his harassment, so I declined. I didn't tell Frank that he couldn't call the FBI, but I said I wasn't going to do it, so I didn't. I called Ruth immediately after getting back just to see that she would turn on the radio and be clued in with the news, but this was before the Texas School Book Depository Building was mentioned, to my knowledge, and she was already watching the news. So we communicated nothing at that time. Mr. DULLES - Do you know whether your luncheon companion did or did not telephone the FBI? Mr. PAINE - This is not the luncheon companion. This is Dave Noel Frank Krystinik brings his lunch, and he eats his lunch at the lab. Mr. DULLES - At the lab? Mr. PAINE - Yes.

Roughly translated from this ducument using my iPad voice text function. Yeltsin/Clinton cashe ducument regarding LHO Russian Consulate letter. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/other/yeltsin/html/Yeltsin_0028a.htm Do we have the source of our wire-tap? Do we have the reason why a forged letter would be generated? ------------- At 16 hours 00 minutes, the U.S. Telegraph agency reported that police in Dallas, TX, had arrested a U.S. National Lee H. Oswald, 24 years old, Chairman of the local branch of the FPCC, on suspicion that he had assassinated Kennedy. It is also reported that Oswald was in the USSR some time ago and is married to a Russian woman. It was ascertained by checking at the consulate section of the embassy that Oswald really did spend several years in Minsk, where he married Soviet citizens Marina P. (born 1941). In June 1962, they returned to the US. In March 1963 Marina applied to return with her daughter to the USSR for permanent residency. The KU of the Ministry of Foreign Affair of the USSR (October 7, 1963) reported that her application was rejected. The counselor section of the embassy has the correspondence between Marina and Oswald regarding her return to Russia.The last letter from Lee Oswald was dated November 9 (the text was transmitted on the line of nearby neighbors).

Steve, I noticed that I did not include my link. No matter, the same photo is in David Josephs post with the aerial photo on the top of this page. And, as you just said, you figured it out.

Paul, By my rough calculations, we have to hear you repeat yourself about 300 times between now and October 26. By the way Paul, are you sorting through the documents, or are you waiting for Ernie, or someone else, to do that for you? I would think that if you were sorting through the released documents you might have found something interesting to share, regardless of the fact that I have never seen you share anything interesting except for your personal myths and zealous diatribes.

I think that about covers it..

Joe, Most people have always believed that there was a conspiracy. I think that is what he must be talking about. It seems to be commonly thought that Nixon never would have wanted these tapes to see the light of day. As crazy as it sounds, I believe that is a ruse. I believe Nixon was involved in the JFKA and he knew the perps. This tape would serve as evidence that he believed that LHO did-it; which is evidence that he, Nixon, knew no better. This is the ruse. There is also the tape where he is asking about "this guy, Hunt" as if he did not know Hunt. Nixon is asking personal questions about Hunt, as if he did not know him. In the tape where they discuss the death of Dorothy Hunt, Nixon talks about how sad her death was and says something like "Oh, is he Catholic?". I think these tapes were meant to be released, no matter how damming, as long it reduces his culpability in the JFKA. I'll call it a nearly-unlimited-hangout. Edit*** I am not finding the following quote, from above, so I may have that wrong: "There is also the tape where he is asking about "this guy, Hunt" as if he did not know Hunt. "

Regarding Charles Cabell, from Wikipedia: "...tape recordings from March, 1971 revealed that Garrison considered publicly implicating Cabell of conspiracy in the assassination of Kennedy" Charles Cabell died on May 25, 1971, at 67 years of age.

Am I missing something Jim? It seems obvious that the CIA was still covering it's tracks to the Dallas hit.

Paul, What David is referring to is research and debate. You do not do that. You are zealot who comes here to peddle your personal myth and fictitious prose about Ruth Paine and General Walker. That's all you do. It's zealotry and proselytization.

Earl Cabell was the brother of The Deputy Director of the CIA whom Kennedy fired; Charles Cabell. But that means nothing to Paul Trejo. They would have to be conjoined twins for that to come under suspicion. Like Ruth Paine's family attachements to the CIA and the MICC, and the official third-world raping agency, the USAID, "nothing to see here" according to Paul.

I found the video/tape John was asking about. It is some of the most disgusting stuff I have heard from Nixon. The YouTube video follows my response to the thread. I never needed a conversion. I always knew that I did know how JFK was actually killed and I didn't know the real reason. My parents never talked about anything like controversial politics. I never really had a concept of an American Left and Right until college. My parents were depression era Catholics, so I would characterize them as fiscally and personally-moral conservatives; but they were not social conservatives. My only conversion was a transformation from what could be addressed and spoken about. In my late teens I realized that the JFKA could and had to be spoken about. Here is that awful video/tape that John asked-about.

Paul, you prevaricate and manipulate and misrepresent what is in the record more than Ruth does; ostensibly to protect her. It has the opposite effect. As noted by another member: "In his vigorous defense of Ruth Paine, He (Paul Trejo) has ironically achieved the opposite of what is intended... I am more suspicious of her than before. (Another intentionally unattributed quote (unattributed for the purpose of maintaining forum-decorum))

At least Paul Trejo serves his cow patties in a gentlemenly way, and includes the salt.

Steve, when I was following another thread of yours, I was looking into this. I found that 10th did, at the time did pass through Patton at least to Crawford and possibly beyond to Becky. I wasn't following this same story you are following now so I don't recall making mental notes beyond Crawford. Edit, about a third of the way down you can see that tenth used to pass through Patton.

At least Paul provides a grain of the copious amount of salt which we must take with his assertions.

I did not see this Esquire article in this thread. It is a good read, but a poor copy.

Regarding foreknowledge, It may be worth noting this. In the Igor Iganov thread, both Bill Kelley and Ed Hogan have variations of this quote "On November 21, Joan Anthis cried hysterically and said, “Turk is going to do something terrible tomorrow.” (Turk=Iganov) I don't know the source, context or veracity of the quote, and my connection between Iganov and Liggett is speculative. I thought I would offer it anyway. ****edit... I found the article in which this was mentioned. I posted a link in the Vaganov thread.

Ty, What I offered is too speculative and tentative too offer you an answer, other than to suggest he was a no questions asked, on-call kind of guy.

Speculatively, I have Liggett involved with The Carousel Crew in the @ 32 hour period following the assassination. That would be Crafard, Senator, Ruby, possibly Iganov and who knows who-else. Ruby may have made calls and put things together, or, whoever was driving Ruby. I maintain a separation of the assassins and the clean-up / post assassination logistics crew. So, it wasn't the anti-Castro Cubans who I am speculating were the assassins (disguised as Pro-Castro). Those are my speculative thoughts....

Watergate... "The whole Bay of Pigs thing" .

Ernie wrote, again: FYI -- The FIRST comment regarding that Hargis article was posted on November 3, 2012 at 9:27pm. The LAST comment was posted a year later on November 23, 2013 at 5:09am AND all comments between those two dates appear in the PDF file whose link I gave to you. ------------------------- Paul Trejo is just making stuff-up, ad ininitum.