Michael Clark

David Von Pein, Francois is Bud, correct?

Bud, you let me know when you, like David Von Pein, are ready to have anything to say besides ... “but, but, but.... the Warren Commission sez....”. But, Bud, please don’t forget to share your plate of Crow du Ray; when it’s ready, of course.

I have no doubt that your challenge to Ray will end with YOU looking for fine cuisine recipes for CROW! Perhaps it is already one of your specialties and you were thus attracted to the challenge. I wait, eagerly, to see a pic of your plate, Bud!

Oh My! David Von Pein, That is as rich as it gets! And, to be sure that we preserve David Von Pein’s entire cart-load, here is his full quote: “ Okay, she might have tilted the camera 90 degrees. Again---no big deal. (It's only a "big deal" to conspiracy theorists who are bent on finding "conspiracy" around every corner and in every Neely Street backyard.)  The long and short of it is ---- Seeing as how Marina didn't know the first thing about how to take a picture with Lee's Imperial Reflex camera, she did whatever Lee told her to do in order to get the pictures to come out correctly. And when she was asked to recall the specific details of how she held the camera and how many photos she took, she just flat-out forgot. Yes, she did remember some of the details about the Backyard Photos session---such as the detail about how silly and "crazy" she thought Lee looked that day in his all-black outfit with his guns....  "I asked him then why he had dressed himself up like that, with the rifle and the pistol, and I thought that he had gone crazy, and he said he wanted to send that to a newspaper." ....But the details of how the camera worked and the exact number of pictures she took were things that obviously were not important enough to her at the time for her to make a mental note of such trivial things. And so, almost a year later when she was asked to recall such things, she was not able to do so. That's certainly not an unheard-of situation at all, IMO.

David Von Pein doesn’t have to; beacause,... beacause,.........because............... The Warren Commission sez......

Right! Lol!

Surely, David Von Pein, in your vast archive you have collected all of Marina’s changes, contradictions along with the refutations of her claims, all in one place; and you are going to share that with us here, right? Right!

David Von Pein sez “the Warren Commission figured it all out!, There’s nothing to see here!” It is more like “The CIA told her what to do and what button NOT to press, and she did’nt . It’s a very big deal.” I fixed it for you, David Von Pein!

That’s great Tom! It is important and should be done. I am not shy and would do it, but it is something that could easily be handled incorrectly. I’ll watch to see if Bill Kelly checks-in on the forum in the next few days. If he is not interested of no one else says they are interested, I will give it a go. I think Larry, Steve or Paul could do a good job at this.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32371752.pdf MKCHARITY LIMOPE/1/2 Not I'm MFF LITABBY

GISPEND. Not in MFF https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10308-10118.pdf

ESLARD/1 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10188-10038.pdf

A September 1963 document for Henry Hecksher, giving an idea of his area of concern at that time. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10179-10171.pdf

Paris and Brussels listed as examples of KEYWAY stations. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10179-10172a.pdf

Bill Kelly has revived this topic at on his blog. http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/ Pinging Bill on the next post so he is aware of this posting and copy/paste; in case he does not approve.. Someone Talked - Gene Wheaton Reconsidered SOMEONE TALKED - GENE WHEATON RECONSIDERED - Part 1 As Amended. [ Kelly Notes: This is a first draft. My laptop is in the shop and my Pad is on the blink so I'm working off my phone. I appologize for spellings and typos and will correct them ASAP. - I think I got them all.] It is often said by Warren Commission appologists that if there was a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy, since no one can keep a secret, someone would have talked. Well someone did talk, but no body paid much attention. As Larry Hancock clearly points out in his book "Someone Would Have Talked" (JFK Lancer), John Martino talked, John Roselli talked, David Atlee Phillips talked, Antonio Veciana talked, Bradely Ayers talked, and now, most significantly, Gene Wheaton talked. While each of the others deserve - in James Jesus Angleton's terminology, a serial of their own, I am currently concentrating on what former investigator Gene Wheaton tells us, even though it comes under the category of hearsay. While hearsay may not be admissible in court at a trial, it is admissible in grand jury hearings, and often leads to more substansive evidence, as Wheaton's story does. In evaluating Wheaton, I use the CIA's case study that evaluates sources and defectors by considering how much new, significant and verifiable information they provide, especially new names, places and events that are not on the record or in the files. In that regard, Wheaton comes up in spades. Wheaton first came to my attention in Larry Hancock's book "Someone Would Have Talked," which I wrote about in my JFKCountercoup blog at the time. I quoted Wheaton extensively, but I failed to follow up on the many leads he provided, something I am trying to do now. To establish Wheaton's bonifides right off the bat we will begin with excerpts from his obituary: Funeral Home Memorial Page for: Milton Gene Wheaton May 19, 1935 - December 31, 2015 (age 80) Milton gene Wheaton passed away peacefully on Dec. 31, 2015 at the age of 80 at the Desert Reginal Medical Center in Palm Springs after suffering from a traumatic head inury due to a fall at his home in Hemet. He was born in Pawnee, Oklahoma in a Post Office on an Indian reservation. His parents were Bert and Ruth Wheaton..... He spent a brilliant career in the military as a criminal investigator, ending his career at the rank of Chief Warrent Officer 3. An example of his many accomplishments was when he was awareded the U.S. Legion of Merit from President Nixon for his exceptionally meritorious conduct in his performance as the Narcotics and Smuggling advisor of the U.S. Military Mission with the Imperial Iranian Grandarmerie from May 1971 through July 1973. He retired from the military on June 30, 1975. After that he spent many years as a private investigator consultant. Then retired and spent the remaining years in Winchester and Hemet, California...... END OBIT Excerpts Wheaton first came into the public arena when he was mentioned in a footnote to a legal civil suit prepared by attorney Dan Sheen for the Christic Institute against those principles involved in what would become known as the Iran-Contra affair. Wheaton was an early whistle blower who first took his inside knowldge of the affair to then CIA director William Casey, who did nothing because he was behind it. Wheaton realized Casey was in on it and when asked why he blew the whistle on them, he said that Casey and those invovled were taking millions of dollars from a foreign terrorist state (Iran) in exchange for US military supplies (missiles) and using the money to finance secret covert operations without the approval of Congress. While Sheenan's case was dismissed by the judge, Sheehan was ordered to pay the defendants $900,000, that put the Christic Institute out of business, The judge said the charges were based on "frivilous" hearsay, ans jst how frivilous it was became sensational a few months later when a CIA Contra support plane was shot down and baggage kicked Eugene Hassenfraus was captured alive. Hassenfraus confessed the CIA was behind the operation and had phone numbers on his possession that linked him to ( "Shadow Warrior") Felix Rodriguez, who took pride in tracking down Che Guevera, executing him and taking his Rolex watch. The Iran-Contra affair then played out on its own in public and behind the scenes, and Wheton went quiet, for years. Then the JFK Act of 1992 was passed by Congress ordering all of the government records on the assassination of President Kennedy be made public in full by October 2017, something that still hasn't happened. Wheaton wrote a letter to Judge John Tunheim, the chairman of the Assassinations Records Review Board (ARRB), establishing himself as a responsible person, and saying he knew of people and records that the Review Board would be interested in, and Tunheim reponded favorably. ARRB staff attorney Ann Buttermer had a telephone conversation with Wheaton, after which she wrote an outside contact report on the details. She then met Wheaton in Washington and got more details, as well as documents and records that Wheaton said supported his story. According to Buttimer's ARRB report, Wheaton told her Cuban exiles who were originally trained to attack and kill Castro, killed Kennedy instead, considering him a traitor for his failure to support them at the Bay of Pigs. Wheaton said that "people above the Cubans wanted JFK killed for other reasons," and that "the matter is not complex, but convoluted." While there is only the outside contact report of Buttermer's phone conversation with Wheaton, her report on their meeting in Washington is missing, and shortly after their meeting Buttermer suddenly resigned and disapeared. Malcolm Blunt notes that unlike every other ARRB staff member, there is no separate file for Buttermer, though some of her records are scattered among the ARRB files. Wheaton then faxed the review board, but only received a generic form reply thanking him for contacting them. Then things went quiet again, at least on the public front, for over a decade, except for English professor John Simkin, who started the JFK Assassination Debate on his Education Forum web site, and kept track of all of the important players, including Gene Wheaton. Also during this time some determined researchers plowed through the millions of pages of documents at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) Archives II in College Park, Md., where the JFK Collection is kept. Among the records released under the JFK Act are the records of the ARRB, including Wheaton's letter to Judge Tunheim, Ann Buttermer's outside contact report on their phone coversation, and the items Wheaton gave Buttermer as supporting records to what he had to say. If how many new, significant and verifiable names are the barrometor for bonifides, then Wheaton comes clean, as there are many, they are significant, and many have been verified. Top of the list is Carl Jenkins, who Wheaton says was his close friend, housemate and business associate in National Airlines, one of many CIA front companies that I wrote about back in the 1980s. [See: CIAir at JFKCountercoup.blogspot.com the story of Ralph Cox and United Overseas Airlines]. As Hanckock reported in his book, "Research confirms that beyond a doubt, Carl Jenkins was indeed a senior CIA officer who worked on paramilitary activities in support of the Bay of Pigs project and that by 1963-64 he was indeed directly involved with the AM/WORLD project, with Artime (AMBIDDY) and Quintero (AMJAVA4)." In a September, 1963 memo Jenkins wrote how the anti-Castro Cuban commandos (he was training at JMWAVE) could, "use abductions and assassinations targeted against Cuban G-2 intelligence informants, agents, officer and foreign Communists to raise the morale of people inside Cuba." Actualy, they were planning, training and preparing to kill Castro, an operation that Wheaton and Jenkins said was redirected to JFK at Dallas. One of the working hypothesis of this inquiry is that whoever pulled off the Dealey Plaza Operation - they were very good, had done such things before and did it again afterwards, as the careers of Carl Jenkins and the Cubans he trained confirm. Carl Jenkins was a United States Marine Corps (USMC) Captain in Japan, where he possibly crossed paths with Oswald. Wheaton suspects that is where Wheaton recruited Oswald, as they again crossed paths in the summer of 1963 in New Orleans, where Captain Jenkins established a new USMC Active Reserve unit, and became acquainted with mob boss Carlos Marcello. Jenkins was known as a commando infiiltration - exfiltraion specialist, working closely with the anti-Castro Cubans before the Bay of Pigs, and at JMWAVE afterwards. At JMWAVE he trained a team of Cubans who Wheaton named as Ralphel "Chi Chi" Quintero, Nester Sanchez, Nestor Pino, Felix Rodriguez, Ricardo Morales, Tony Izquierdo, and others. While we were acquainted with some of these names, like Rodrriguez, others were new. English professor John Simkin, who was in contact with a CIA media asset who knew Quintero, asked Quintero if Wheaton was correct in his allegations, and Quintero said Wheaton knew part of the story, and if the whole story got out it would be the biggest scandle ever. Jenkins - and some of his team of Cubans, went on to work other operations - in 1964 Quintero was sent to Euorpe to meet Rolando Cubella (AMLASH), a significant player in the lead up to the assassination of the president. They all worked for a time in the Congo, another key place of interest to those following the Dealey Plaza drama. And then Jenkins was sent to the Dominican Republic where the dictator Trujulio was assassinated. In response the CIA sent in David Atlee Phillips as the emergency Chief of Station while LBJ sent in the Marines, just to show the generals he would give them some action when JFK wouldn't. Another name Wheaton gave out was I. Irving Davidson, who Wheaton described as a middleman, cut-out and fixer, whose clients included Clint Murcheson of Dallas, Carlos Marcello of New Orleans and Rafael Trujulio, a client he lost. Oh, yea, Davidson's office mate was Jack Anderson, the muckraking Washington columnist who exposed the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro, a scoop he got from Roselli, probalby becaues of the Davidson connection. A year before Larry Hancock's book came out, in 2005, Wheaton was located and interviewed on videotape by Hancock and William M. Law, a short but concise tape that was premiered at the 2005 JFK Lancer conference in Dallas. But its significance was not immediately recognized. That tape sat on the shelf for another decade, and only this year (2018) was it posted on line for the world to see. In it, Wheaton confirms all of the above, explains why he became an Iran-Contra whistle blower - "I'm a cop," and gives us more new names, including that of a Minnessotta documentary film maker Matt Ehling, who recorded "hours and hours" of tapes in which he gives more details. Another new name is that of one of those CIA small arms and explosive experts who assisted Jenkins in training the Cuban commandos at JMWAVE. As I listened to the tape I thought Wheaton says the CIA trainer is "Ira" Harper, and could not find anyone by that name, but after I reposted the Wheaton video interview online, a Facebook friend (Pat Dugan) said the name is "I.W." Harper. And that hit paydirt as "I.W." Harper was, according to a Soldier of Fortune Magazine article, a CIA explosives expert, small arms specialist who also trained Contras in Nicaragua. While I.W. Harper is the name of a Kentucky whiskey, it's Jewish founder said he named the brand after a horseman he knew, I. W. Harper. It is likely that "I.W." is a nickname applied to the legendary CIA small arms and explosives expert since its not his real name. There's a photo of Harper in the SOF article, The Wild Bunch, a mission photo of the armed specialists who were then training Contra commandos to fight the leftist Sandinistas in the struggle for power after the fall of the Somoza regime. Besides Jenkins, Quintero and the Cubans, Davidson and Harper, Gene Wheaton also coughed up the names of others who were in the loop - Bill Bode, Rob Owen, Vaughn Forest and others we have yet to get to. In the meantime, we have yet to locate the Minnessotta film maker who has hours of tapes of Wheton giving more details on these affairs. If anyone has the time and inclination to track Matt Ehling down, we'd like to hear more from Mr. Wheaton, whose bonifides are established by all of the great names he provides, and a scenario he provides that rings true. More to come in Wheton Part 2.

AEREALITY. Not in MFF http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/2018/104-10182-10065.pdf shared by David Boylan

Does Newman have stronger convictions about his WW3 Virus theory these days? That theory is what the writer of the article is going after, and she seems to make some good points. It would be good to hear a good critical analysis of this critical article; from a critic, or Newman himself, rather that just calling it “bunk”.

Thanks Douglas. It is very interesting area of research by Dr. Newman. What the article focuses upon, however, is Newman's point of speculation while avoiding the compelling observations that led to that speculation about the WW3 virus. Whereas I have tended to disccunt the risk of nuclear war in the Western Hemisphere as a result of any BOPI type of operation, (even one of overt US involvement), the CMC or the JFKA, I have asked myself what alternate conclusion could one come to in answer to the question of why would Angleton be "dimming the lights" on Oswald and playing with "marked cards" in the weeks prior to 11-22-63. My alternate hypothesis is that Angleton was being played by those in control of the 2 Oswald game (ONI, MI?). Angleton was trying to figure out what was going on while the conspirators were setting up a situation that would guarantee Angleton's and, perhaps, Dullles' silence, inaction and complicity in the cover-up. Newman has said that a researcher has to be prepared to be wrong, so I don't think that he would be too hurt by this article.

The doc with the envelope is stamped July 10, 1961. If one clicks on the link you can see it. Other codes on the doc indicate 1961 as well.

John, questioning the mental stability or capabilities of other members is against forum rules. You have violated this rule multiple times in this thread.

Deposition of Marine Navigator who flew Investigative team to and from Atsugi in Dec, 1963. He read the report which determined that LHO could not have acted as determined by the WC. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/docid-32260435.pdf

Hi Wade, The following is a post I made on the New Documents Release thread. This is some of the info I related in my earlier post to you.

Hi Ray, All this is more difficult to properly express than it is to understand, I think. Lets say the two poles in that picture are 4 feet apart . I am saying that that you could place a 4 foot stick between the shadows te entire length of the shadows. This is assuming that the light source is the sun or or other significantly distant light source.