Michael Clark

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Gotcha I am seeing DAP as blindsiding and duping Angleton. DAP is one of the rogues, along with Hunt and Morales. I don’t see DAP as being low level. I guess the bottom line for me is, and I don’t expect any agreement on this, is that Angleton was not a conspirator. He was stovepipe out of the plot, duped, and framed, all at the same time.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10068-10166.pdf July, 63 Bern REDWOOD AELINNET

Thanks David, I moved to my iPhone before I posted last and had a few typos. I corrected them.

Thanks, David. I took time to read your MC research when it was posted to Kennedy’s and King last year. I cant be sure I read it all; so I am sorry if I I am asking questions that you have gone over repeatedly, So allow me to ask, how do you eliminate the Marine-Corp-Photo LHO as the person that Sylvia Odio met? I am not sure that you accept the Marine Corp photo LHO as someone other than the LHO murdered in the basement of the DPD, to whom I refer as the DPD LHO. But I think you understand my question. Couldn’t Sylvia Odio have seen the Marine-Corp-LHO, leaving the DPD LHO to go to MC and pose for CIA pics and create other records that we have never seen? I am just curious as to how you came to be so sure; because it seems like part of your process says that LHO could not have been in MC because he was seen at Odios. I have not been able to rule out the possibility that the DPD LHO was not at Odios, while MCPh LHO was at Odio’s, DPD LHO being in MC, but there is not one stitch of valid evidence for him being there. Do you see what I am getting at? I’m not asking that you buy any of it. I’m just wondering if I have presented a clear scenario. Anyway, with great respect and thanks, Michael

Steve,’ I don’t know, and I do not believe it is in the testimony of Ruth Paine. Furthermore. In my fragmented collection of Ruth Paine’s testimony, she never says that she called Abt on behalf of LHO. She only allows herself to be led through some questions that make it sound that she testified to that occurrence. At some point, someone posted a more descript portion of testimony, purportedly by Ruth Paine, saying she made the call to Abt, but I was never able to locate it in my copies.

Furthermore one would have to believe that LHO was a true Communist to call Abt for his defense in that situation. I hardly believe that LHO was a Comminist and that he was still willing to maintain his cover when the stakes were so high. The fact that LHO made the John Hurt call is more evidence that LHO was done with the charade. If Phillips did use Mr. Abbot as an alias, that is a far better solution to the Abt call, IMO.

Sure, It’s a perfect backstop for a Phillips alias of Abbot. I have looked into Abt. He lived and died 30 minutes from me. I still think he’s an odd choice for LHO to count on.

Seriously, Quoting Roy so he might be notified.... Roy, can you tell us more about this?

Thanks Jim, While I have no problem deferring to authority on most occasions, until I get my head around all of this, especially David's research, I want leave a couple things on the table; on my table anyway. I know it is unpopular, but I do leave open the idea that Angleton was being played by Rogues. If the rogues job was to screw JJA by making evidence for LHO in MC disappear, I don't see that being an impossibility, especially with Phillips swooping-in days after the MC caper, to control the situation. Likewise, under the same circumstances, I can see JJA "dimming the lights" on the Oswalds or just one if he had knowledge of only one, to try to ferret-out the rogues (Phillips, McCord?). He may not have been using the dimmer switch to cover up the developing conspiracy. Since JJA had a "keen interest", as Jane Roman put it, in LHO in the Fall of 63, I don't really see how JJA could really want to prove that Oswald was there in MC, trying to get to Cuba and Russia. I may understand what you are getting at in 5 minutes, hours or days but I really don't see the logic in your statement that "The last thing that Angleton ever wanted to prove about MC is that Oswald was not there." Proof positive that LHO was in MC, with pictures, arrows and transcripts would have been potentially damning and devastating to JJA and the agency. The Warren Commission could serve up all the slop they wanted for the masses, but having rock-solid evidence posted in the NYT and Tme magazine of the purported LHO activities in MC would have been far more devastating than the actual smoke and mirrors that they presented.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10234-10155.pdf Paris AMSPORT becomes QUSPORT Also: AMLASH/1/2/3 Kymingham Gloaden AMWHIP\1 ONTRICH STOCKWOOD UNSNAFU/9/5/13/ RODAMER AMBIDDY AMBUG

One of Phillips' aliases was Mr. Abbot. I cannot source that claim but I have seen it several times. A Mr. Abt, Ruth Paine claimed, was a NY lawyer whom LHO requested for assistance. I have wondered if Ruth Pain was actually asked to contact Mr. Abbot; and she dutifully changed that request to divert attention from Phillips. The Mr. Abt claim has always bee a bizarre element of the LHO saga. This would explain it quite well.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10170-10147.pdf JMHOPE CHOADEN

Hi https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10165-10162.pdf 16-10 Santo Domingo https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10170-10147.pdf 16-10. Santo Domingo Also CHOADEN (Phillips) JMHOPE —————————————- https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10186-10032.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10186-10026.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10186-10403.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10186-10405.pdf https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10186-10406.pdf 16-10 ——————————————— https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10071-10268.pdf 16-10 UOAMBER-6

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10130-10192.pdf AMBLINK/1 AMRAZZ/1

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10413-10033.pdf 1966 LIENVOY Doc with details and names

A recent CMC doc release. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10181-10114.pdf

Can someone restore the video or videos in this thread?

A Gertrude Nagel is a CIA employee https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10013-10348.pdf

Harry Dean Doc. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/157-10008-10130.pdf

Gordon Novell claims Aracha was CIA. Also a bunch more info. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10105-10139.pdf

Paul, What do you make of Newman's recent presentation regarding the DAP AVB LHO Dallas meet? If Newman's assertion that Vecania cannot be trusted, do we still have much to go on when we try to say that Phillips set-up LHO as a Patsy? If there is more and it's obvious, my apologies, but off the top of the head I cannot recall further evidence of that.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/104-10103-10160.pdf AMCOBRA. Not in MFF AMSHALE/1. Formerly Veciana

Jim, I agree with regard to the shooters. The shooters would have to be motivated by pure hate and or Ideological motivations. This points to Southern racists and anti-Catholics; or Mafia elements who see untold fortunes for future generations of mobsters being wiped away by inaction in Cuba. Likewise, the French connection is bolstered by the threat of standing down in Vietnam and a passive to negetive US stance towards continued French domination of Algeria. Then there is Israel. It truly is a perfect storm.