Michael Clark
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33 minutes ago, Lance Payette said:
Thanks, folks, but I'm not looking for pats on the back or reasons to stay. I'm not just done with this forum but with the JFK assassination as well. I'm happy to say I no longer have a shred of JFK material on my Kindle or in my home. I have enough other interests to occupy my time. I wish you all the best.
Yes, Michael, I've found on a number of past occasions with other forums that having my account permanently deleted is the easiest solution. Forums on controversial topics such as this are somewhat like eating peanuts - very difficult to stop even when you're long past the point that you're enjoying them. I've completely moved away from religion and UFO forums for the same reason. They eventually become unhealthy obsessions unless you cut them off. I think 663 posts here is about twice what I've ever accumulated on another forum
I take it David is casting one vote for a conspiracy-only forum. I do think that is the only solution. No more non-conspiracy blather!
Last post. Adios.
Well, their is the academic study of religion; really a study of art and literary criticism. I know I invited you before but you passed on the offer, but the synoptic problem, the Gospel of Thomas, the Q document and the Oxyrhynchus papyri are fascinating lines of inquiry. You can find my lonely post in the Religion section.
But, before you go...
Care for a potato chip, or two?
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1 hour ago, David Andrews said:
I can get non-conspiracy blather on any street corner. Why would I come here for it?
I wish they still had store windows full of TVs playing day and night. I could stand there drooling like a feeb over the non-conspiracy news.
Agreed, but we can’t be regarded as preaching to the choir if we welcome those who are not in agreement with us.
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Well, Lance, you are, along with Tracy Parnell and DVP, the most appreciated LNers I have seen on the forum. Of course, I don’t appreciate the ridicule that all, except perhaps Tracy, being with them.
DVP was let go for good reason, IMO. But it was ultimately his choice.
You got into an ego battle with Jim and you want James to shut the door for you, because you can’t manage to walk away on your own.
I think Jim gets out-of-hand, sometimes, but it is only to those most worthy, so you can take it as a compliment. I do wish that Jim could control himself however. Please stick around. I think you know the truth but cannot now express or face it. I think there is hope for you. I don’t mean that in a derogatory sense. Like LNers CTers think that LNers lack courage or harbor a great fear of the truth.
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27 minutes ago, Joe Bauer said:
But in 1963 it sounds as if nobody messed with Carlos Marcello and his many brothers rule in Louisiana and N.O..
From my reading of documents, and no books, the NOLA mob was, by agreement, a secondary mob outfit with responsibilities, not privileges, in the maintenance of Dallas. The Los Angeles mob seems to be overlooked, often, in this story. David Yaras is a principle connection between Florida and Los Angeles and seemed to be managing a lot of action in Dallas. I think the Los Angeles mob played the biggest, primary mafia connection to the assassination, via connections to Fla. with NOLA carrying the pot and taking the heat.
To be sure, I don’t think the mob dunnit, even if the shooters were mobsters. The conspiracy was was wider, like the assassination of Caesar. It would make some sense if the triangulators themselves were acting on faith that the others were in place, without having a clue as to who they were.
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23 minutes ago, David Andrews said:
Larry will no doubt recall, as I do, that there's a recent back thread here with a .pdf of Lansdale's proposal for destabilizing Cuba, together with material quoting interested parties such as William Harvey, who complained that Lansdale's detailed methods were too complicated, and unworkable among the personnel on the ground; and Dick Helms, who advised that Lansdale had to be humored for the present.
I think these materials were provided by Bart Kamp, apologies if incorrect. Memory doesn't serve - it rules, and it's a bad ruler sometimes.
On 5/6/2018 at 10:39 AM, Michael Clark said:General Landsdale report on progress of Operation Mongoose.
I am becoming very impressed with Landsdale's intellectual genius.
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/202-10001-10201.pdf
Maybe the above document?
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Welcome to new member Tyler.
Tyler built an interesting animation for the assassination sequence. A link is in his bio:
2 hours ago, Mark Tyler said:Hello Education Forum!
I am here to learn from people who have specialist knowledge of the JFK assassination, especially the Dealey Plaza crime scene. I have created an animated reconstruction of the motorcade, which is here:
https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html
I have been building and publishing computer software for over 15 years and this was an opportunity to use those skills to find out what did and did not happen during the assassination.
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On 10/5/2019 at 4:12 PM, Rich Pope said:
One of the reasons I'm on this forum is to provide information my father learned as the chief engineer for the telephone company while listening into telephone conversations of LBJ at his ranch in Johnson City, Texas. I've been extremely hesitant to do so because I feel the general atmosphere of this forum to be unhealthy, riddled with personal attacks and outright bullying. It doesn't seem to me the admins of this site are interested in addressing this issue but I will keep my end of the bargain of providing things from my father's notes.
The government, asked my father for a watts line phone number so that Lee Oswald and Judyth Baker could speak to each other without long distance charges accruing. My father provided the number to the government official who then made sure that number made it to David Ferrie. Ferrie then passed the number to Oswald and Baker to use to speak to each other at no cost. It's my understanding Judyth used a pay phone at the race track to conduct her phone conversations with Lee Oswald.
Deleted. I did not represent myself or the membership well here..
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Searching “educationforum storm drain” yields:
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28 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:
Jim Garrison considers Guy Bannister to be the key figure in the assassination of JFK. The Men Who Killed Kennedy part 4
Why would you cite a TV show in reference to what Garrison thought of Bannister, instead of citing Garrison?
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18 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:
I really need to read up on the history of MK-ULTRA and Jolly West's work for the Company.
Any advice about good articles and books on the subject?
IMO, skip the books. Search, read and share the documents.
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@Bart Kamp I am sharing these finds with the Mary Ferrell site and crediting you for the find. They make note of, and credit for the share. I just wanted you to know that you can be credited for the share by sending these to them:
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5 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
Bart Kamp shared the following:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eOYiw3cMzte8HB70Jh5xbBAhB5R_Pv5u/view
Sharing as Adobe Document Cloud Doc for testing. Please let me know how this works.
AMPAL-1 Alias: Joe Anderson
AMPAL-2 Not in MFF
AMPAL-3 Not in MFF Alias: Gordon R Hawlott
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5 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:
Bart Kamp shared the following:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eOYiw3cMzte8HB70Jh5xbBAhB5R_Pv5u/view
Sharing as Adobe Document Cloud Doc for testing. Please let me know how this works.
AMPAL-1 Alias: Joe Anderson
AMPAL-2 Not in MFF
AMPAL-3 Not in MFF Alias: Gordon R Hawlott
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Bart Kamp shared the following:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eOYiw3cMzte8HB70Jh5xbBAhB5R_Pv5u/view
Sharing as Adobe Document Cloud Doc for testing. Please let me know how this works.
AMPAL-1 Alias: Joe Anderson
AMPAL-2 Not in MFF
AMPAL-3 Not in MFF Alias: Gordon R Hawlott
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34 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:Thanks to Malcolm Blunt
Thanks Bart.
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Thanks Bart,
Is “Idle Warriors” available online?
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While we’re at it, What do members believe that is on YouTube, Wikipedia or Facebook?
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I posted a method for saving and sharing PDF’s using the Adobe document cloud, without needing or using an account. It’s in this thread:
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On 4/12/2018 at 11:47 PM, Sandy Larsen said:
In the upper-right corner of the forum window is your photo and name. Click on your name and a popup window will appear. Click on My Attachments.
You will now see a list of photos you've uploaded and to the right of each photo is the post you attached the photo to.
Find the photo you want to delete. Then click the name of the thread (on the right) where you attached the photo.
This will open a new window and, if you wait a few seconds, your browser should automatically go to the post where that photo is attached. (In my case, I often need scroll down a little. That's due to a flaw in my version of FireFox.)
Click the Edit link for the post where the photo is attached, just as you would to edit any post. At the bottom of the editor window you will see a thumbnail copy of the photo that is attached. In the corner of the thumbnail you will see a tiny trash can icon. Click this to remove the photo from your allotted attachment space. Click Save to save your change.
Hi Sandy, perhaps you would consider changing the name of this thread to “Forum Tips and Tricks” or something else that is generic with regard to general assistance.
Cheers
Mike
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Share a document from Adobe cloud with no account.
I am using an IPad. I saved one of Bart’s PDF’s to the iPad Books app. I saved that PDF from Books to the Adobe Reader app (free).
Open the Adobe Reader PDF. Click share (box with up arrow). Click “Get Link”. Click “Copy Link”. An IPad options window will open. Click “Copy”.
You can now paste a link that will open that document from the Adobe cloud, with no account.
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3 hours ago, Rich Pope said:
I stand corrected on the source of that statement. It was Santos who said it. Thanks for pointing it out. And if your "newbie" comment is directed at me, I have in previous posts on previous threads given great credit and high praises of all of the researchers and authors on this forum. But again, people are only interested in launching Ad hominem attacks instead of discussing the issues.
It’s not a matter of attacking you. It’s a matter of letting you know that what you are doing indicates a lack of integrity. That is for your benefit, and our self-respect.
We argue until the cows come home about credibility, that’s what a debate is all about. Plagiarism is, well, ......
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7 hours ago, Rich Pope said:
Michael,
In no way did I claim in any manner it was my own since a simple Google search would show it wasn't. What's missing out of all of this is the information contained in the post I made and also the link you posted. I believe it to be correct and I would like others to give their two cents, not focusing on me but focusing on the material that is posted. And like I said earlier, I'll be more conscientious about posting the citation after something I've read in an article or a book.
If you post something and don’t inform the reader whose words you are sharing, it is implied that you are representing those words as yours. You can’t change that. You can’t change that by posting something without attribution you are implying that they are your words. You do not have control over that situation. You claim to be a teacher and CIA officer. You must think we are stupid in believing that you don’t know what you are being told.
”It insults my intelligence
and it makes me very angry”
-Michael Corleone
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3 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:
Michael, actually it isn't. The link you posted was an "article" which actually is from a book called "Regicide" by Gregory Douglas 2002 published by Monte Sano Media. As it has been shown by several authors, the CIA and the Mafia were two sides of the same coin back in the day. Usually, domestic murders were handled by the Mafia and foreign murders were handled by the CIA. But that's not always the case. We know the CIA hired Sam Giancano and Johnny Roselli through CIA cutout Robert Maheu to use their contacts in Havana to kill Castro. This was because Giancano and Roselli had more contacts in Cuba than the CIA did. William Harvey of the CIA was in charge of locating the shooters for JFK and he managed to do so. It's not a question of a bunch of agencies involved. The CIA and the Mafia worked together to pull this off. LBJ and his attorney Edward Clark knew and were kept in the loop. Hoover knew and was kept in the loop. None of these three men planned anything, but they did know something big was going down and they did help in the cover-up.
What is ridiculous is your excuse for not citing a reference for the work you posted, implicitly claiming it as your own.
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10 hours ago, Evan Marshall said:
JM Wave
A solid candidate.
A document, thanks to @Bart Kamp
Classified message
Date: 5 Jan 63
To: Director
From: WAVE
Action: TFW 10
Info: ...
DIR CITE WAVE 3050 (?)
IMMEDIATE ACTION
GYROSE KUWOLF
REF Wa.. 2757
1.AMBUD-1 ETD 7 JAN National FLT 202 for ZRMETAL to confer with messrs Hurvitch of State and Califano of DOD Re Training of Cubans and possible arrangements specific program as incentive recruitment large number Brigade members. AMBUD-1 Me also pay courtesy call on GPFOCUS.
2. FYI wish point out in AMBUD-1 feels brigade was creature of KUBARK and KUBARK must that make final determination re brigade’s future, i.e., what role will brigade play in exile community and how will it be used in future achieve liberation Cuba. AMBUD-1 Willing actively assist in implementing any KUBARK proposed solution but he has no ideas of his own despite fact he previously alerted to prepare for solution two problems which would occur when brigade returned.
3. Info currently available indicates troika of Artime, San Roman and Olivia under leadership And inspiration furnished by already May will manage hold major portion brigade together in other loose confederation as predicted para 1. WAVE influence over AMBUD-1 and Artime should result this brigade confederation remaining internal part AMBUD altho exact details for this have not been worked out. If this ... listed brigade can be used as PM instrument which functions under AMBUD aegis. WAVE intends control this PM instrument thru recruitment ARTIME and Oliva. PM exploitation brigade will not result gainful employment any substantial number brigade members. Thus major portion brigade members who stay loyal AMBUD have no future as professional revolutionaries. Additionally existing ODYOKE policy would appear preclude maintenance brigade as conventional fighting unit. Within current policy see no immediate role for brigade per se in PM ops as commandos or for building resistance mechanism Cuba. This brigade is at best de facto latent pool possible PM agent candidates if PM ops Are again initiated at pre-Oct 62 levels. Brigade offers no apparent FI potential and CI potential while being explored appears limited in scope. Realistically this means brigade must be settled, i.e., put back into private economy from which it came. This will in part be accomplished by new resettlement efforts which targeted against all Cuban refugees located Dade County. This effort however not sufficient in scope or depth solve these economic problems which are bound erode initial buoyancy and esprit de corps which brigade has shown since its release. Economic and family pressures will mount as time passes and labor market Dade County cannot absorb labor force which brigade represents. Resultant chaotic economic situation will then cause serious problems for AMBUD, KUBARK and ODYOKE. Suggest therefore there merit in establishing safety valve now and believe this can be done establishing army recruitment program designed get some significant part of brigade into Army Cuban training program. This obviously short term solution as WAVE has no insight into what DOD plans do with if Cuban army trainees once they finish basic training. If HQS has info regard this matter WAVE would appreciate expeditious receipt of this background info. Despite the fact recruitment brigade returnees into army only short term solution believe it worth pursuing as in our judgment such action will facilitate overall resettlement brigade members if for no other reason then it would stagger reinsertion brigade members into Dade County labor market. Suggest therefore HQS consideration alerting appropriate ODYOKE components re favorable aspects which inherent in using army Cuban recruitment program as resettlement device figure brigade returnees. If appropriate ODYOKE components agreed this worth doing it our opinion action would have to be taken start campaign among brigade returnees to publicize enlistment program.
4. Request HQS comment para 3.
End of message
The assassination of JFK: Who was the Mastermind?
in JFK Assassination Debate
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That whole Amazon thing is interesting to me and I don’t pay close attention but I have a personal perspective on it. If anyone has heard of the Nxivm scandal, it is part of this connection. This story canters on the Capital District, Albany, NY area. My girlfriend pointed out a guy who was walking with a woman and she mentioned that he was involved in some scandal, and mentioned Nexivm. It was a year or so before I heard of it again, so I looked it up. I researched the guy and it turns out that he ran a company in this area, some 25 years ago, called Consumer Buy Line, or something like that. It was eventually closed down as a ponzu scheme.
In 1993, just out of college, I injured my leg and needed some temporary work where I could sit down while my leg healed. I worked for Consumer Buy Line as a temp, stuffing envelopes. It was quite an operation, reaching many people, all over the country with a huge array of products.
It, as I said, was shut down, but I was always skeptical of the legal action. But, what do I know, or, what did I know.
2 years later comes windows 95 and the internet, as people now know it.
If Consumer Buy Line was not shut down, it would have been Amazon, I have little doubt. The Neivum thing seems just as strange to me, but what do I know.