7 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

On another subject, I have checked with Malcolm Blunt and he has no recollection of seeing any photo of Oswald in Florida...

That is a bit of tough luck.  I was hoping Blunt had one and would make it available.  

Thanks Pat,

That seems a long way across.  You say it is 30 feet from the Island to the sidewalk in front of the TSBD.  Here's a 1967 photo which shows Dealey Plaza hasn't changed much since '63:

The street closest to TSBD and not the actual Elm Street in 1963 leads into the parking lot.  I could be wrong, but that was the original Elm Street.

Does this look about right for the witnesses view of the p. limo on Elm St. from just south of the TBSD's door.  Please correct if not.

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

That's right. Which is why we don't believe that the Bolton Ford Oswald was the real Oswald, the one who was killed by Ruby.

I go along with that simply because there is not sufficient evidence to say something different.  But, here's one of the areas I get into trouble with the Harvey and Lee folks.  It can't be proven that Harvey Oswald had suicide scars on his left wrist.  Only two people have made that comment.  Dr. Earl Rose in Harvey's autopsy and Marina Oswald.  J. Edgar Hoover was unhappy with this.  At first he may have believed that Oswald's suicide event in Russia was a ploy to stay there.  But in the 4-page, March 20, 1964 FBI report to the WC he was looking for confirmation for these scars.  He didn't get it.  The Secret Service and FBI looked at Rose's autopsy photos and didn't see any scars on the left wrist.

There is reason to suspect the truthfulness of Rose and Marina.  Earl Rose is an interesting character.  He gets the job as chief autopsy official for the city and county of Dallas, if I am recalling right in the summer (I believe July) of 1963.  That's just in time to do the autopsy of Kennedy, Tippit, Oswald, and Ruby or any other that was necessary.  He didn't do the Kennedy autopsy.  He did the others very quickly.  He did not sit on the bench long.  All were done within 1-2 hours of their death.

1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:

The limo in this re-enactment is not in the Z-film gap.

I think he may be right.  But,

Perspective sure is a problem.  In the recreation photo there is a white line in the lower left-hand corner.  This I suppose represents the crosswalk on Elm St. in front of the TSBD.  The problem in the Zapruder film is there is no discernible crosswalk from the TSBD to the SW corner of Elm and Houston.  I went back and scanned the various Z frames and could not find a crosswalk.  Altgens 6 doesn't show one either.   And, that corner doesn't really resemble the one in the Z film.  But, it has to be the end of the cement on the SW corner going down Elm with the grassy area next.  The grassy area is next in both scenes.  Robert Croft appears to be standing in the grassy area.  So, the moment in time in the recreated scene is essentially the same as Z frame 133 when the limo appears or just a fraction of a second before.

That painted white line gives the illusion the two people are standing east of the TSBD.  I believe Pat is right.  If wrong, it would be by just a small fraction of a second.   

Thank you John,

Partrica said she was standing here and the P. Limo was right there when she heard the first shot.  She is just one of over 100 witnesses that said something similar.   Shooting occurred in front of the TSDB.  The two films that could show this were edited.  The Zapruder and Elsie Dorman films.  You are looking into the Zapruder Gap in this photo recreation.  Elsie Dorman said she heard a shot from the Court Records Building.  She quit filming.  Hers would be a definitive film if it wasn't altered to show nothing about what the above scene is portraying.  And, it was so badly altered it occasioned someone to say that Elsie was the worst photographer ever.  Not true.  If it had not been altered the film would be definitive.

Lucy Whitaker. or Lupe Whitaker said she was on Elm Street just south of the entrance to the TSBD.  There 1963 FBI statement locations agree.  But, this is not what is being shown in this video.  What we see here is the SW corner of Elm and Houston.  It was a magical place during the assassination.  Strange events occurred there.  Study Elsie Dorman and compare it to Zapruder.

After all of these witnesses, over 100, saying that shooting occurred in front of the TSBD, I don't understand why people go back to the Zapruder Film as the source of Assassination Writ.  Way too many people have shown the Z film is a fraud.  It is really not possible to use it under evidence rules.  

There may have been firing in that area.  But, there was shooting in other areas.  The front of the TSBD as an example.

My theory is that the shooting took place as shown in the video frame recreation above.  You cannot find any video or photo of that day that will give an honest account of that area as the p. limo passed by .  Altgens and Zapruder are frauds.  The Towner film is an animation.  The visual information from the Zapruder Gap was re-purposed into the Z film assassination frames from the pre- Stemmons to much later in the film.  There may have been firing there, but Kennedy was shot in the head before Z 313.  10 or 11 year old Toni Glover on that pedestal on Houston St. said he turned the corner and his head exploded.  Others say something similar.

I would suggest that one of the bigger fraud/propaganda secrets in Dealey Plaza was to get everyone thinking about the sequence and number of shots.  The sequence and number of shots do not tell the whole story.

Well, why exclude all those Oswalds in La.?  Why not?  Why not exclude all of Oswalds in Texas or for instance the Oswalds in Kentucky?  Here's why.

Lee Oswald was named and described by the Bolton Ford people.  It is a fact.  From the description he may not fit the description of the original Lee Harvey Oswald, but that description is just one person's memory based on what he remembered from 2 years earlier.  The describer could have been a big man who looked at others as smaller.  And, by doing so may have misjudged the height of Lee Oswald.  Now you have been shown the difference between fact and speculation.  The Oswald description is fact.  My suggestion about height is speculation.          

Harvey Oswald is in Russia at the time.  That leaves by logic, Lee in the US in La. or some Oswald imposter.  Was there Oswald imposters?  J. Edgar thought so.

It is a waste of time talking to you folks due to everything Jim or Sandy may say to you, you discount as nonsense and wonder off to some internet site for your convictions.  Your propaganda techniques don't work with people who can think logically.  Really, you guys bring up the silliest suggestions.  Here's just one:

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

And think about it: Lee Harvey Oswald never had much money or any track record of buying fleets of vehicles or financing of such.

Sandy didn't say that Greg Doudna did.  Did you ever consider Oswald may have been fronting anti-Castro groups?        

For purposes of clarity: 

Zygomatic Process

The zygomatic processes are three processes (protrusions) from other bones of the skull which each articulate with the zygomatic bone. The term zygomatic derives from the Greek Ζυγόμα, zygoma, meaning "yoke". The zygomatic process is occasionally referred to as the zygoma, but this term usually refers to the zygomatic bone or occasionally the zygomatic arch.

and,

and,

A confirmation that an Oswald was trying to buy trucks at Bolton Ford.

2 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

Seems there were a lot of shotguns at the depository that day, these images are culled from a YouTube vid simply entitled ‘Texas School Book Depository.’  It’s 9 minutes long and I got bored counting them after 1 minute 40!

 

But if there was an extra weapon to be smuggled out in plain sight…this cop did it!

Sean,

True.  But, the Dallas PD used pump shotguns rather than automatic.  I suspect pump shotguns were the standard for police departments due to their not being as prone to jam as say, an automatic shotgun.  I have used and earlier family members have used automatics (really semi-automatics) since the 50s with no jamming.  But, I guess it is a matter of preference.  

I might be wrong on the DPS preference for pumps, but every photo of a DPD officer I have seen were carrying pump shotguns.

11 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

It appears to match a 1960ish Browning shotgun:

Chris,

I'm not sure I agree with this.  First off this seems to be some kind of composite photo showing 3 rifles (or as you say a shotgun).  I believe it is a rifle.  

Notice the very slender grip on this weapon.  This is typical of a Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle.  That doesn't make this a composite photo.  What does is the portrayal of 3 rifles in one photo.  The bottom rifle appears to have a sling under the rifle rather than to the side as in the case of the Carcano.  I might just be seeing things here, but the portrayal of 3 weapons in one photo has not been shown in any other photo or film.  (I have to put an exception here for photos of multiple DPD Officers carrying pump shotguns)

Here is a good example of the Remington Model 8.  This was the first semiautomatic weapon of about 1908.  It was a weapon used to kill Bonnie and Clyde.  

Notice the slender stock grip near the metal.  And, the features of the back part of the weapon looks like an automatic shotgun would look.  However, in the photo used by Chris the true appearance can't be seen due to blurry, vague imagery.  What's seen appears to me to be the Model 8.  I'm not sure of the name of the detective.  I have this marked as Allen Model 8 rifle.

19 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Garrison's men got much closer to the truth on the Bolton Ford incident than that FBI report Steve excerpted above:

Long before the misleading FBI report was published, the FBI had already learned of Lee Oswald's visit to Bolton Ford from none other than Carlos Bringuier!

 

He describes a person who can be taken as Harvey Oswald here.  But, Harvey is in Russia.  Definitely in Russia at this time.  Must have shaken up J. Edgar.  What's going on he says?  Be on the alert someone is using Oswald's birth certificate.  At the time of this incident, Jan. 1961, Harvey is in Minsk being denied by his love interest Ellen Germann.  Later in March:

From David Josephs Timeline:

“Hospital records show that Harvey "Alik" Oswald was admitted to the Fourth Clinical Hospital in Minsk at 10:00 am on Thursday, March 30, 1961. From this date we learn that Oswald and Marina probably met the previous Friday, March 24, at the Palace of Trade Unions (instead of March 4th or 17th as claimed by Marina.”

Alik is the name Harvey liked in Russia and other places.  I speculate Alik Hidell may have been his birth name.  

It is simply a testament of how close the two Oswalds resembled each other.  Time and distance (didn't have to be a lengthy period) merges the two in folks' mind on recall.  Then again, I have never seen Harvey not being neat and clean except for being at the DPS.  So, that may introduce an imposter such as Billy Seymour.  To say such would require a great deal more evidence.    

Jim,

Like a lot of things, that crowd just goes right off and denies or counter charges some statement or thought that violates their existence in the WC Land of Denials.   They don't seem to do the needed research to back up what they say.

OBTW,

Is this legitimate?  This is the first time I have seen this.  Found it just searching things on the net.

3 hours ago, Jonathan Cohen said:

Jack White also said that the Apollo moon landings were faked and that no planes hit the World Trade Center.

Your saying one has a connection to the other?  Being from Denial Land, you must think that your denials has some significance.  Some importance.  More proclamations from No-No land with a touch of ad hominem?  Can you tell me exactly what you find objectionable about Jack White's moon landing theories?  Can you prove what he said is untrue?  I have never looked at them.  Do we exist in a land where people can't entertain their own convictions and express those thoughts. 

As far as absolute nonsense goes one doesn't have to wander far from the JB/JC No-No land lone nutter beliefs of you folks and others.  Folks have been comparing me to the Cinque fellow since I joined the Forum.  I don't know who this Cinque is and can you explain why he is similar?  

There I have descended to your level of non-sense just to see what it is like.  It's amusing.  Keep up the good work.

38 minutes ago, David G. Healy said:

would there be value having a clean Elm Street pan , say within 10 minutes of the motorcade traversing the same route, filmed from the exact same pedestal Zapruder stands on. using a similar B%H camera nearly the same lens and exact same type of film used in the Zap camera--- for post editing of the scene happening on Elm St. a few minutes later> Lens wide enough to grab the crowd on both sides of Elm St..... could be #0184?

Yes indeed.  I have always thought something like that.  I suspect that was done.  Also, there may have been photographers out getting images of people to place into the main film, the Z film, or for other relevant films that would show up.  Jack White said by comparing the Z film and Altgens 5 there was no one in the intersection of Elm and Houston (east side) were the same people.  This would indicate whoever was there was film earlier or filmed elsewhere and place there.

From what I can see all of the films and photos in Dealey Plaza, most if not all have been edited except for the AMIPA film.

Chris D. has shown there was a camera man behind Zapruder.

At the ARRB there was a fellow that claimed there was a detachment from Fort Hood sent to film at Dealey Plaza.  About 50 or so army cameral men.  I would suspect that there was editing in of film elements and also editing out of things that were there that day.

From the intersection of Main and Houston to around the corner to Elm Street I can show about 14 people who had cameras and are unknown.  Camera film confiscated at the film developers?  Owners told there film didn't develop?   No word on these people and their cameras.  Who were they?

I think camera men like Altgens took a great deal more film then claimed.  In his case he may have been sending film back to the Daily Morning News for editing prior to the Motorcade arriving.  Altgens 5, 6, and 7 have been edited to show the desired story.

The Z film, Altgens photos, and Mary Moorman's Polaroid contain the basic story that folks would be asked to learn.   

From Wikipedia on mattes:

"Mattes are used in photography and special effects filmmaking to combine two or more image elements into a single, final image. Usually, mattes are used to combine a foreground image (e.g. actors on a set or a spaceship) with a background image (e.g. a scenic vista or a starfield with planets). In this case, the matte is the background painting. In film and stage, mattes can be physically huge sections of painted canvas, portraying large scenic expanses of landscapes.

In film, the principle of a matte requires masking certain areas of the film emulsion to selectively control which areas are exposed. However, many complex special-effects scenes have included dozens of discrete image elements, requiring very complex use of mattes, and layering mattes on top of one another. For an example of a simple matte, we may wish to depict a group of actors in front of a store, with a massive city and sky visible above the store's roof. We would have two images—the actors on the set, and the image of the city—to combine onto a third. This would require two masks/mattes. One would mask everything above the store's roof, and the other would mask everything below it. By using these masks/mattes when copying these images onto the third, we can combine the images without creating ghostly double-exposures. In film, this is an example of a static matte, where the shape of the mask does not change from frame to frame. Other shots may require mattes that change, to mask the shapes of moving objects, such as human beings or spaceships. These are known as traveling mattes. Traveling mattes enable greater freedom of composition and movement, but they are also more difficult to accomplish.

Compositing techniques known as chroma keying that remove all areas of a certain color from a recording – colloquially known as "bluescreen" or "greenscreen" after the most popular colors used – are probably the best-known and most widely used modern techniques for creating traveling mattes, although rotoscoping and multiple motion control passes have also been used in the past. Computer-generated imagery, either static or animated, is also often rendered with a transparent background and digitally overlaid on top of modern film recordings using the same principle as a matte – a digital image mask."

Traveling mattes.  I think the best example of this is the 19 people in the area of the lamppost on Elms and the Stemmons.  These folks move very little.  At first the impression was that they didn't move at all.  That part of the film is a traveling matte.  So, is the man-shaped figure in the limo.  It is there for a purpose.  At first it was a black rectangular shape that gradually turns in to a shadow man.    

I went back and looked at Z 200 to Z 215.  The man-shaped black area was not always man-shaped.  I think it is related to the motorbike policemen somehow or another.   Why?  Not a clue.  I don't think it is a film process error or damage to the film.  It is artificial in my opinion.  I'm not sure whether it is prosopopeia, a figure of speech in which an abstract thing is personified, or not.  Prosopopeia.  I can never remember that word or spell it. 

"Traveling mattes enable greater freedom of composition and movement, but they are also more difficult to accomplish"

This is where one catches errors in the various Z film frames.  It is like Phil Willis' extra-long leg in Z 157.  This gives rise to thoughts such as was Phil even there at all?  Did Linda take his slides?  Linda and Rosemary made it, but not Phil in the Dorman film.  Because of the differences between the Z film and the Dorman film, everything is questionable on that corner.    

29 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

OTOH,

Using a similar piece of footage might accomplish the same effect.

Chris,

I'm not catching how you say this shadow is made.  Combination of at least 2 film frames from different sources.  Regardless, great eyes to catch that.

I am continually astounded by the things that can be found in the Z film.  In Z 208 is another anomaly.  It appears to be arms holding something, maybe a camera. 

May be just blurs.  One has to be continually aware that what one sees may just be an anthropomorphic projection.

I'm not the best with perspective analysis, but I've always thought that the SW corner of Houston and Elm was made from at least 3 films.  The Dorman and Zapruder film disagree on who is there and the number of people there.  That's two but what was the third?  There are 14 or more photographers unidentified on Elm and Houston that day.

Using more than one film to make a scene the way you want seems reasonable.  Who is to prove that the Z film in its earliest form, the pre-extent film, shown to the public (in Life mag) was nothing more than that just what aproximately 30 frames.  The rest being edited later to replace all know versions once the latest rendition was made.

Working on 30 or so frames shouldn't have taken that long. 

3 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

That doesn't come close to answering the question I posed.

Then re-read the first part that you omit.

"Frank Wisner was a Wall Street lawyer and during WW II worked for the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the CIA). After World War II ended thousands of Eastern European refugees were brought to the United States under his supervision. National Security Council (NSC) records show that Wisner, the CIA's director of clandestine operations, oversaw the re-location of thousands of anti-Communist exiles to the United States as a means of rewarding them for conducting secret operations against the Soviets. Wisner became the CIA and State Department’s expert on European war refugees, and secretly subsidized the refugee relief organizations that brought these Eastern Bloc refugees to the United States throughout the 1940s and early 1950s.

Wisner and his group recognized they could use these Eastern European immigrant's knowledge, customs, and familiarity with their respective homelands. Wisner asked the National Security Council (NSC) to sanction the “systematic” use of such refugees, and they (the NSC) agreed. The NSC soon issued a top-secret intelligence directive (NSCID No. 14), which even today remains "classified," that authorized both the FBI and the CIA to find and jointly exploit the knowledge, experience, and talents of well over 200,000 Eastern European refugees resettled in the USA.Frank Wisner was a Wall Street lawyer and during WW II worked for the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the CIA). After World War II ended thousands of Eastern European refugees were brought to the United States under his supervision. National Security Council (NSC) records show that Wisner, the CIA's director of clandestine operations, oversaw the re-location of thousands of anti-Communist exiles to the United States as a means of rewarding them for conducting secret operations against the Soviets. Wisner became the CIA and State Department’s expert on European war refugees, and secretly subsidized the refugee relief organizations that brought these Eastern Bloc refugees to the United States throughout the 1940s and early 1950s.

Wisner and his group recognized they could use these Eastern European immigrant's knowledge, customs, and familiarity with their respective homelands. Wisner asked the National Security Council (NSC) to sanction the “systematic” use of such refugees, and they (the NSC) agreed. The NSC soon issued a top-secret intelligence directive (NSCID No. 14), which even today remains "classified," that authorized both the FBI and the CIA to find and jointly exploit the knowledge, experience, and talents of well over 200,000 Eastern European refugees resettled in the USA."

Re-posting this bit is useless and a foolish endeavor.  Why?  No answer is good enough for JB.  His task is to ask the (to him) the question that can't be answered.  When answered he will reject the answer provided and demand that you answer the question that you didn't answer correctly (to him). 

HIs questions are rhetorical.  So, this is my last answer.     

3 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

Great info Don, as insightful, educational and colourful as ever!

Read your Rosemary Willis item too, they tie in together quite well - two 10 year old girls helping solving the JFKA? Whatever next….

Toni Glover JFK assassination

JFK assassination: Questions that won't go away

By Owen Amos BBC News, Washington DC

25    ctober 2017

Toni got to the Dealey Plaza early and found a "perfect" spot to watch the president's parade.  "He came by, he smiled and waved," she says. "Jackie smiled and waved - she was on my side. "He turned the corner.  I thought, 'I'm going to follow this car until it disappears because it's the president - I'm going to watch every second I can.'  And then his head exploded.  It just exploded. "She told her mother that someone had thrown fireworks into the car. "But really, I knew different," she adds.Now, 54 years later, Dr Toni Glover is an associate professor at the University of Scranton in Pennsylvania.

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Girl  in  Blue  remembers  JFK assassination

The Citizens’ Voice By David Singleton (Staff Writer) / Published: November 22, 2013

Now an associate professor of English at the University of Scranton, Toni Glover, Ph.D., still struggles with the raw horror of what she witnessed.

"It was not an assassination. It was not a fatal shot," Glover, 61, said in an interview at her Hill Section home. "It was a gory, gruesome murder that we all stood there and watched."

"I went there with this magical thinking that just a wave and a smile would change my life forever, and he did indeed look up and smile and wave and it took my breath away ⦠I was just floating on air. I was in the ether somewhere, and I had tunnel vision on the car.

"So I just kept watching the car as it went down the street and his head exploded."

Fatal gunshot

As a native Texan, Glover said she knows what a gunshot sounds like.

She is certain she heard two in Dealey Plaza. She can't be sure about a third.

After Kennedy's limo passed her perch and turned left onto Elm in front of the book depository, Glover said there was a noise people in the crowd acknowledged by turning their heads. It was a bang, she said, but it could have been a motorcycle or car backfiring.

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As 50th Anniversary Of JFK Assassination Approaches, Local Witness Reflects

November 20, 2013 at 6:26 pm

Filed Under:CBS 3, Dallas, JFK Assassination, Local Witness, Pat Ciarrocchi, Toni Glover, TX

“It was perfect.

“They looked up. I was way up in the air, screaming and yelling. You couldn’t miss me. And smiled and waved,” Glover said.

I was just so thrilled. and then, he turned the corner, and his head exploded.

Graphic, yes.

And seared.

“The image of him waving and the image of him dying are burned of course,” she said.”

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https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/it-was-the-most-wonderful-moment-and-then-a-terrible-terrible-momenttoni-glover-/1900013053346157/

4 hours ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:

Let's return to the question I asked Jim. Where, in Armstrong's work, can we find the missing link in the 'Harvey and Lee' theory?

Most of the early leaders of the CIA were ex-OSS people.  The OSS did just about anything they could to end WW2.  These tactics were carried on when our leaders decided that the new enemy was the Soviet Union.  They were the enemy, and anything could be used against them.

"Frank Wisner was a Wall Street lawyer and during WW II worked for the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of the CIA). After World War II ended thousands of Eastern European refugees were brought to the United States under his supervision. National Security Council (NSC) records show that Wisner, the CIA's director of clandestine operations, oversaw the re-location of thousands of anti-Communist exiles to the United States as a means of rewarding them for conducting secret operations against the Soviets. Wisner became the CIA and State Department’s expert on European war refugees, and secretly subsidized the refugee relief organizations that brought these Eastern Bloc refugees to the United States throughout the 1940s and early 1950s.

Wisner and his group recognized they could use these Eastern European immigrant's knowledge, customs, and familiarity with their respective homelands. Wisner asked the National Security Council (NSC) to sanction the “systematic” use of such refugees, and they (the NSC) agreed. The NSC soon issued a top-secret intelligence directive (NSCID No. 14), which even today remains "classified," that authorized both the FBI and the CIA to find and jointly exploit the knowledge, experience, and talents of well over 200,000 Eastern European refugees resettled in the USA."

This quote doesn't recognize the work of Allen Dulles.  Dulles, the chief OSS agent in Switzerland, began the rescue of refugees for what information they had on the Germans.  They were eventually shipped to the US.  

Here's a speculation for JB and JC based on the quote above from Harvey and Lee.  I credit Allen Dulles of the OSS/CIA as the leader of this need to use refugees.  They would and could use these you people in the years to come as spies in many different countries.  They may have had many doppelganger teams.  Who knows.  Only one has come to light.  Would our beloved CIA stop at the use of just one refugee?  I don't think so.

The films and photos show Barnett at No. 1 and No. 8.  They don't show him in Pos. 9.  There is the Towner film, Betzner No. 2 photo, and Bell.

and,

and,

Now I recall why I was suspicious of Barnett's testimony.  I couldn't find Welcome at Pos. 9 on film or photo.  The rest of his testimony is interesting concerning his activities when he left the intersection.

The Bell frame is not exactly Pos. 1, but close.  The Towner frame and the Betzner photo have him in Pos. 8.

The problem with the Towner frame is that it appears to be a split frame image.   Also in the doorway and steps of the TSBD are several DPD policemen.

2 minutes ago, Denise Hazelwood said:

I posted a small resolution version of Commission Exhibit No. 354 above. A Google search of "Warren Commission Exhibit Non. 354" will yield a link to the History Matters version.Note that this does not appear to be the original one marked during Barnett's testimony, but a photo that was re-marked in white lettering for publication in the Hearings. Nevertheless, I believe that the "Position 9" is at least close to accurate, given what Barnett said about stopping traffic from proceeding down Houston and into the access road in front of the TSBD.

Denise,

We differ on a few things, but keep up the good work.  Thank you very much for this pic exhibit.  I have searched for this several times.  I get from google "some items have been removed".  And, that sums up my research effort these days.

I can see why you think Barnett was at the middle of the intersection rather than Joe Marshall Smith in Altgens 6.

I believe that Barnett was at Position No. 1 originally and moved to Position No. 8 just as the motorcade approached.  After the shooting, he moved into the intersection at No. 9 and stopped part of the motorcade there.  The first vehicle of the motorcade that was stopped was the Mayor's Car.

This is not what he said in his testimony.  Based on further things in his testimony I believe what he said is questionable.  

You can find Barnett in the No. 8 position in a couple of films.  I'll need to look this up, but I believe in Bell and Hughes.  I've had this discussion before with others with me taking a different position for Barnett and I think Bart Kamp was the one who showed the north Houston location on the intersection in a film frame.  

Denise,

Fine, no problems.  I differ in opinion on that.  I'll go back and read Officer Barnett's (I did it again.  Learned wrong, stays wrong.  Barnett not Barrett.  And, the thing about that is I stopped and thought about it and still got it wrong) testimony.

Barnett changed his position from No. 1 to No. 9.  I have always had problems with these.  Can you mark them on a map or refer to the commission exhibit that has those?

52 minutes ago, Bill Fite said:

So it seems to me it would be a lot more difficult to do this way than implied by - all we have to do is find one from the 3 million service members and not so obvious or straightforward.

 

Bill,

I really don't pay much attention to Jeremy and Jonathan's talking points.  They keep saying the same things over and over again.  It doesn't matter if you answer them or not.  They will ignore whatever facts, logic, and reasoning you answer with to their statements.  And, they will boldly proclaim that you haven't answered their questions and you are wrong based on their reasoning without providing any facts to back up what they say.  At best they will refer you to someone else.

Just read what Jim Hargrove has said over time in answer to that question and their responses.  He has far more patience with them then I do.   

Denise,

There were 3 policemen assigned to the Houston and Elm intersection area.  Welcome Eugene Barrett, Joe Marshall Smith, and Edgar Leon Smith.  Joe Marshall Smith is the officer in the middle of the street on east Elm and Houston seen in Altgens 6.  From his testimony.  

Mr. LIEBELER. How many officers were assigned at Elm and Houston?
Mr. SMITH. Three of us.
Mr. LIEBELER. Who were the other two men?
Mr. SMITH. W. E. Barnett, and E. L. Smith. I think that is his initials. I know it is another Smith boy anyway.
Mr. LIEBELER. How did you station yourself when you got there?
Mr. SMITH. Just after we got the epileptic seizure en route to the hospital, I hadn't gotten back to the corner but just a few minutes until the motorcade was coming, so I stationed myself on Elm Street in the middle from the southeast curb of Elm and Houston and held traffic up.
Mr. LIEBELER. Which direction would this traffic have been coming from that you held up?
Mr. SMITH. It was heading west on Elm.
Mr. LIEBELER. Coming down Elm toward the triple underpass? Coming into the intersection of Elm and Houston?
Mr. SMITH. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. So you were the individual patrolman who went back and held up the traffic to Elm. Street; is that right?

Although not common, there are a few things that can be verified in the JFKA.  This is one.

As far as Alan, I don't believe the young man show is Alan.  Alan was with his friends.  That young man was by himself.

 

Jim,

I didn't know that Dr. Earl Rose was offered a new position of coroner for the city and county of Dallas in June, 1963.  He moved there directly afterwards.  Supposedly, this was to do a better job and replace the inadequate system of lay, elected coroners in the city and county for Dallas, Tx.

This would come to mean that Dr. Earl Rose would do the autopsy of President Kennedy, Officer Tippit, Patsy Oswald, and Mad Jack Ruby, all of the main conspiracy deaths.

And, he didn't lose any time in doing those autopsies except for Kennedy.  Kennedy was whisked away and out of his clutches.  But, the others were done quickly.  Something like an hour or two after death.  Nothing would stand in his way with the judicial system being as responsive as him for those deaths.

The new system worked and worked rapidly at least as far as handling the major deaths that would come to make up the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.  He even said later if he had been allowed to do the Kennedy autopsy there wouldn't have been any conspiracy theories because he would have done it right.

These are questions for Jonathan and Jeremy.  Is a head wound shown here?  Where is this head wound located on Officer Tippit's head?  Where would you locate this entrance wound?  Is it an entrance wound?  What skull structures were first penetrated by the bullet that made this wound?

Can you answer these questions?