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  1. John Butler
    I'm not at this point in as much disagreement as prior. I have read through most of your comments and agree with a lot of what you are saying. Your interpretation of events in Dealey Plaza is superior to most. But, there are things open to argument and a different interpretation. Altgens 6 is an example.
  2. John Butler
    Jean Hill fought Arlen Specter to have that information about where she was at come out. Specter later classified his drawing (Hill Exhibit No 5) of where Jean said she and Mary were as Top Secret, and it was hidden from the public for many years. Because of this I take her statement to be true. Later on, she says basically what Mary Moorman always said. This contradicts her Warren Commission testimony. Jean changed her testimony several times I believe. I get in trouble all the time for saying Jean Hill's statement of where she was at is true.
  3. John Butler
    All those in governmental authority that day should be looked at carefully as to what they said. But, I took the witness statement for what they said to be correct as a court would unless otherwise proved different.
  4. John Butler
    How could she see that from Houston Street? Skull fragments? "immediately" means exactly what she said to describe what happened. immediately ĭ-mē′dē-ĭt-lē adverb Without delay. Without an intermediary; directly. In an immediate manner; without intervention of any other person or thing; proximately; directly; -- opposed to mediately. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition. The American educational system was much better in that day. Almost everyone would have known what the word "immediately" means.
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    I didn't base my accusation that the Croft film is altered on any particular thing in the photo. What I based it on is that if the witness descriptions were correct about the shooting in the intersection, and since there were so many, I felt that to be true, then the photo was altered.
  6. John Butler
    In my opinion the Towner film is a crude animation with a surreal feeling. The p limo just floats through the landscape of the intersection and in front of the TSBD.
  7. John Butler
    "started toward the underpass" does not mean closer to the underpass. When you turn onto Elm from Houston you start towards the underpass does not mean you are there or close to it.
  8. John Butler
    Are you saying you don't know how films or photos are altered to tell a particular story that is different from the original content? That's what alterations are about. As an example, Doorway Man in Altgens 6 is not Billy Lovelady, but an unknown who you do not want known for some reason. Maybe that person looks too much like Lee Harvey Oswald so a face mask of Billy Lovelady is put there to cover that identity. Notice the different skin tones on the face and head indicating a different light source for both. The outline of the mask is noticeable indicating bad work. Perhaps, his presence there exposes another phony story. A standard technique in film alteration is to change the appearance of a person by substituting someone else's body as an example in the BYPs, or just the face is good enough in most circumstances. A face mask is someone else's face which is literally cut from a different source with an exacto knife or scissors. Then this mask is place over the over a person's face to establish the new identity. A new film, or in this case a new photo is shot of the old, but changed photo. This image of Doorway man is so inaptly constructed that it is simply just bad alteration work. I would say that this was because the work was rushed. Sure, it is true the photo was sent to the AP, I believe if my memory is correct, early on. But, that doesn't mean this extent Altgens 6 in its final form is the same as what was sent early on. There was several hours between that time and its appearance on the 6:30 news with Walter Cronkite. Plenty of time to notice Doorway man and decide to change his identity. The work is so bad that the left shoulder of Doorway Man is not there, and there is no way that looks natural. From the photo it would seem that his elbow is growing out of his rib cage. The person standing next to Doorway does not have a head. It is covered by large shadows from much smaller arms. Billy Lovelady later said he was wearing a short-sleeved shirt that day. Why would he do that? Can other photos of Billy in a long-sleeved shirt be trusted?
  9. John Butler
    Chris, This is another example of JB and JC's bold assertions without anything to back them up other than the authority of their statements. As far as an explanation, there are 5 years of comments on the various subjects you mention. Simply, go back and read what I said before saying I have failed to provide any explanation about the various alterations in the Dealey Plaza media I have seen.
  10. John Butler
    Those painted in shadows of Mary and Jean are backwards in size in relation to the Z film and are to relate Altgens 6 to a location past the Stemmons sign and connect to Mary and Jean 30 feet down the road. Yes, we are back in "Billy Lovelady face mask territory". Yes, we are still talking about Altgens 6 alterations. Do you want to talk about the Johnson security vehicle distortion in relation to the rest of the photo? How about Danny Arce on Houston St. with a radio when he should be elsewhere? I will continue the discussion of Denise's comments tommorrow.
  11. John Butler
    Thanks Denise, You are the first person to take these statements seriously and discuss their worth. Generally, we agree on some things. And, not on others. On the vague witness statements, I just gave enough for reader to understand what the witness said and if they wanted more information, they could go to the reference I provided. This was because of the length of the piece. First day witness statements were the best. But, by that afternoon and evening statements were being coerced, and in many cases changed by the DPD and the FBI.
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    The Altgens 6 shot was not a warning shot. It is the shot that took President Kennedy in the throat from the front. Altgens 6 is a crop of a larger photo. What was cropped out was the Stemmons sign. I believe it should be visible behind the p. limo in Altgens 6 and not in front or just 20 feet past it as a lot of folks believe. The shadows of Mary and Jean are painted in. Those are paint brush strokes. Their shadows should not be there. Most folks believe that the Altgens 6 photo was taken at Z 255 location. I think earlier before passing the sign. Mary and Jean become visible at location Z 287 which is 30 feet down the road.
  13. John Butler
    Same goes for these comments. Only a small section of Elm Street was blocked. Yola Hopson and Ruth Nelson were one room over to the east from the four ladies, Elsie Dorman, etc.
  14. John Butler
    The people on the 3rd and 4th floor had their view of the p. limo blocked by trees when they heard shooting. This is limited to a small section of the TSBD width. Those trees do not block a significant portion of Elm Street. It is limited to mainly the SW corner of the TSBD. In other words, a small section of Elm Street would be blocked by trees for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th floor offices.
  15. John Butler
    I don't know where the idea of Elsie Dormans hanging out the window is from. Not from me. I once commented to a fellow that said Elsie Dorman was the worst photographer in Dealey Plaza. What I said was that her film was altered heavily on Houston Street. There were claims that she had this film locked up in a lawyer's office thus saying it was pristine. I believe the FBI, CIA, or someone black bagged that film and altered it. It is certainly altered and that can be proven. Look at the things I have said about that.
  16. John Butler
    True. I believe that many witness statements were distorted by the FBI as far as location is concerned. I discounted about as many statements as I accepted simply due to vagueness of description, use of the phrases such as "passed the TSBD" or "just passed the TSBD", "turned down the hill to the triple underpass". Many of the statements early on were made and not distorted, but later in the day and on the next day things changed. The Marion Baker statements are a good example of that.
  17. John Butler
    I am going to go through your statements and offer comment in the hope that those comments may be of value to you. Often speculation, or hypothesis making, leads to clearer thinking and is the beginning of further thought and investigation. I know of no proof that any shots were fired from the Johnson security vehicle. There are several media examples of the door of that vehicle being open on Main, Houston, and Elm. Altgens 6 shows a rifle (more likely a shotgun) sticking out of the open door and erased from the photo leaving some trace of its image. Something happened on Houston Street just as the p. limo turned onto Houston. Altgens 5 has been altered. That alteration occurs as the vehicle moves across the cross-walk lines going north on Houston. 8 of the known films go haywire down by the Court Records building. To me that is statistically impossible for 8 films to go bad in that area. That indicates alteration to cover more shooting prior to the turn onto Elm Street.
  18. John Butler
    Denise, Thanks for going through and pointing out my many inadequacies in typing and thinking. As I am reading through your comments, I am seeing that I am not sufficiently clear on some statements. At the time of preparing these statements I had just read through a particular witness statement, and some times more than one statement. It seemed clear to me at the time. I have to disagree on shots in Dealey Plaza. I believe there were many groups of shots numbering 3 in total. These groups of 3 shots were fired from different locations and were heard generally as only 3 shots. A small number of witnesses heard from 4 to 6. The noise of the motorcade vehicles, crowd noise, sirens, vehicle noise particularly motorbikes, motorbikes backfiring, etc limited people to hearing 3 shots in their area and not shots from some distance away. They heard shots that were generally heard as a firecracker noise rather than a rifle noise which may indicate they were "short" rounds or possibly fired from a greater distance. I going to print out your comments and go back and see if I can adjust things to be more concise and clearer. I don't necessarily agree on the too "vague" comments. Some cases yes. Others, no. I gave a reference for each witness statement on where it came from. This was so if anyone had doubts, they could go and look at what was said by the witness.
  19. John Butler
    The "kill" shot on Elm Street could not be seen by Alan Smith. He was on Main Street as I have adequately demonstrated in other posts.
  20. John Butler
    Denise, You might also take a look at Altgens 5. This is an altered photo. See my work on that. Why the alteration? I thought about that for years and can only come to the conclusion that shots were fired on Houston Street.
  21. John Butler
    I am in total agreement with this.
  22. John Butler
    Making bold claims is a disinformation technique quite often used against me by my two foremost critics.
  23. John Butler
    Chris, Ditto.
  24. John Butler
    The woman the arrow is pointing to looks a great deal more like the photo rather than PM. The notion that PM is a woman, IMO, is an idea to disprove that Oswald is Prayer Man and was there on the steps as Officer Baker and Truly go past the landing and door. When you continue looking at frames in this section of the film you will see a police officer moving in the direction of the doorway. It could be Officer Baker. His alleged timing is about right. He is the only police officer credited to be in that particular area. Some think this officer bypasses the doorway. But, there is no direct film scene showing this or the officer mounting the steps to the doorway. Since no other police officer is shown in that area in this timed sequence in the film then it is more than likely Baker. This accounts for one Oswald in this film in the door way, and in the John Martin film on Elm Street below the trees. The second Oswald at the TSBD distorts reality in providing alternate information of Oswald's location. This second Oswald may have been the original Lee Harvey Oswald. There is no doubt of there being two Oswalds with different stories and locations during and after the assassination. Others may say this is not so. But, the evidence points to there being two Oswalds at the TSBD. This is why the double man spy is used. While one is doing something the other can be in the area doing something else. The use of both with different information muddies the picture and is the purpose of spreading disinformation. This is a game the two had been playing since they were young boys. Prayer Man in the doorway provides an alibi for the Oswald in the TSBD upper floors.
  25. John Butler
    Miss Adams' statements are omitted from the final conclusion Report [I guess it was all too troubling for the Commission staff] Several of the witnesses in the TSBD on the 3rd and 4th floor said much the same thing. 8. Vickie Adams- 11-24-63- She said when the president’s vehicle entered the intersection of Elm and Houston she heard 3 shots. She could not see the shooting since it happened while the presidential limousine was under trees. And, that would be in front of the TSBD. 9. Dorothy Garner- 3-20-64 FBI report- When the shots occurred the presidential vehicle was out of sight, obscured by trees. This would be in front of the TSBD. 10.Yola Hopson- 12-1-63- FBI report- She heard two or more sounds / firecrackers when the presidential limousine was obscured by trees. This would be in front of the TSBD. 11.Steven Wilson- 3-25-64- FBI statement- He said he heard 3 shots while the president was obscured by trees. This would be in front of the TSBD.
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