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Interesting story from Monterey, Joe, and certainly consistent with what we know about the various "War Games" and other unusual U.S. government agency activities prior to, and during, the 9/11 attacks-- including a military exercise in the D.C. area based on a scenario in which an airplane would be flown into a local building! One of my former patients worked for FEMA before, during, and after 9/11. FEMA had an emergency drill scheduled in NYC and arranged for some FEMA personnel to be flown into NYC before 9/11 ! https://youtu.be/3noExmsCRyg

Good article, Anthony. The parallels between the evidence about 11/22/63 and the evidence about 9/11 are clear. Yet, the American people today are still largely unaware of the evidence debunking the official U.S. government narrative about 9/11. And, as in the JFK case, the disinformation about 9/11 in the mainstream U.S. media (and on the internet) is ubiquitous. Both black ops -- 11/22/63 and 9/11-- have been systematically disguised by, 1) aggressive suppression of the real evidence, 2) sham "investigations" by government-appointed officials, 3) aggressive, systematic propagation of false government narratives in our media, and 4) aggressive disparagement of researchers who have exposed and debunked the false government narratives.

Instead of repeatedly hijacking this thread about similarities between JFKA "truthers" and 9/11 Truthers, why don't you start your own thread about the British, drug trafficking in the U.S., or whatever it is you want to discuss on the forum?

My post was written for people here who are familiar with the basic scientific and historical research literature on 9/11. But the thread is not about 9/11 per se. The thread is about parallels between JFKA "truth" and "9/11 truth"-- in relation to systematic mass media suppression of the truth about military-industrial-complex black ops in U.S history. I can post reference links for any of my claims, if necessary.

News flash, fella. 9/11 has largely been solved. The problem with "9/11 Truth" is that the mainstream media has aggressively censored the story. Consider, for example, that for the past 18 years the New York Times has completely blacked out any coverage of the TRUE story of the Five "Dancing Israeli" Mossad agents arrested at the Holland Tunnel on 9/11 (after witnesses saw them filming and celebrating the demolitions of the World Trade Center!) And the 9/11 photos of the "Dancing Israelis" were recently published, following a protracted FOIA dispute. Where's the story? Where's the suppressed story of the free fall collapse/demolition of Larry Silverstein's 47 floor WTC7 skyscraper on 9/11-- which abruptly fell after Silverstein, himself, said that he "told them to pull it?" Where's the story about Silverstein having architectural drafts for a new WTC7 building before 9/11? Where's the story of Larry Silverstein's close personal friendship with Bibi Netanyahu, and the arrangements by Eisenberg and the Port Authority to lease the WTC towers to Silverstein six weeks before 9/11? Where's the story of Silverstein's pre-9/11 insurance contracts for the asbestos-laden WTC towers, which forbade an independent insurance company investigation of the WTC in the event of a terrorist attack? As Frances Shure pointed out in his recent article, (at Global Research) the truth about 9/11 will be the biggest story of the 21st century, if and when the public ever gets to hear it.

I wonder if MI6 was also behind that nefarious psy op to float a giant balloon of Donald Trump as an infant in a diaper over Trafalger Square during his first state visit to the U.K., along with publishing that headline, "The Ego Has Landed" in the British tabloids... 🤪

Habla de la ruina de Roma y mira lo que pasa... I just saw this interesting analysis of the curious U.S. mainstream media silence about the untold story of the 21st century. Investigating the Destruction of All Three World Trade Center Skyscrapers on September 11 The Role of the Media: Act I; Whatever Happened to Investigative Journalists? https://www.globalresearch.ca/investigating-the-destruction-of-all-three-world-trade-center-skyscrapers-on-september-11/5624564

Ron, I retired one year ago, so I've had more time to read about subjects that interest me -- the JFK assassination, 9/11, and the "untold history" of the United States (Reconstruction, slavery, etc.) Christopher Bollyn has been documenting the "untold history" of 9/11 from the beginning, and his monographs and archives are fascinating. Guyenot's book JFK to 9/11 was an early introduction to the 9/11 research literature for me. The scientific data at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth is also worth perusing. As for the complexity of the 9/11 op, mentioned by David, there had to be an array of players. The Pentagon was, obviously, involved in the 9/11 "war games" that prevented interception of the planes. There is strong evidence of Mossad involvement in the explosive demolitions of Larry Silverstein's WTC buildings (including WTC7.) NYC municipal authorities, including Mayor Rudy Giuluani and Chief of Police Bernard Kerik, were obviously involved in the sequestration and destruction of Ground Zero evidence. The FBI sequestered the evidence at the Pentagon site. Jerome Hauer of Kroll and Associates managed security at the WTC after Silverstein was awarded the leases by the Port Authority in July of 2001. Zim Shipping. an apparent Mossad front company, was a tenant of the WTC until September 4, 2001-- when they relocated to D.C., despite having extended liability remaining on their long-term WTC lease.

True, especially in the context of Netanyahu's recent pre-election bombing spree-- including Israeli attacks on targets in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza. As for Iran, there was a recent, lengthy article in the New York Times magazine about the long history of the Netanyahu/Neocon push to bomb Iran.

It was a surreal ending to an elaborate false U.S. government narrative about the apparent 9/11 patsy. Equally surreal was Dubya Bush's claim in about (?) 2005 that "finding Bin Laden (was) no longer a priority" in the U.S. "War on Terror." And, in an operational sense, that was an accurate statement. By 2005, the patsy and his public legend had served their purpose for the U.S. military-industrial complex.

Anthony, Thanks for posting this stuff. It's beginning to look like Ikle was the Godfather of PNAC's September 2000 concept of a new "Pearl Harbor" to catalyze popular support for global U.S. military ventures. Incidentally, Belmont attendee Charles Kupperman is a candidate to replace John Bolton as Trump's third NSC chief. Lucky us.

Another obvious parallel between 9/11 and the JFK Assassination cover up is the way that the perpetrators have aggressively censored news about the evidence debunking the official government 9/11 narrative, and aggressively attacked and disparaged scientists and scholars investigating the facts as kooky "conspiracy theorists." The pervasive pattern of media disinformation (including social media) about 9/11 is strikingly similar to the JFKA case.

Joe, Your intuitive, "common sense" perspective about the free fall demolition of WTC7 has been confirmed by the recent scientific analysis of the Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. 9/11 mystery solved: World Trade Center building didn't collapse due to fire – study finds www.express.co.uk/news/world/1175375/9-11-world-trade-center-twin-towers-September-11-conspiracy-theories But, unfortunately, very few people in the U.S. even know about the free fall collapse of WTC7 on 9/11. The subject has been blacklisted by the mainstream U.S. media for 18 years. (As far as I know, the recent A&E911Truth study has also been blacked out of the mainstream U.S. media.) Even fewer people know that the owner (and builder) of WTC7, Larry Silverstein, (a very close, personal friend of Bibi Netanyahu) said that he "told them to pull it" (WTC7) on 9/11, before watching the demolition of the building. Who is "them?" Certainly not the NYFD, because the NYFD is not in the business of demolishing 47 floor steel skyscrapers. An international demolitions expert from Holland, Danny Jowenko, said that the WTC7 collapse was a perfectly executed, explosive demolition. Then Jowenko died in an automobile accident. Meanwhile, we now know that Silverstein had architectural plans for a new WTC7 building drafted BEFORE 9/11. Yet none of this critically-important 9/11 evidence has ever been discussed in the mainstream U.S. media. Nor was Silverstein interviewed by Phillip Zelikow's 9/11 Commission.

Good point. If I recall correctly, Sibel Edmonds claimed in her account of her post-9/11 work as an FBI translator, Classified Woman, that 1) high-level FBI officials had repeatedly shelved FBI field reports about the alleged "Al Qaeda" hijackers before 9/11, and 2) Osama Bin Laden was, apparently, working with U.S. intelligence officials in some capacity before AND AFTER 9/11. And, like Oswald, Bin Laden was killed before he could testify publicly. (And his killers died under mysterious circumstances, as did Jack Ruby.)

As Guyenot has illustrated, there are numerous parallels between the JFK assassination black op and the 9/11 op -- the Crime of the 20th Century, and the Crime of the 21st Century, respectively. 1) Both crimes led directly to the escalation of major, genocidal U.S. wars-- in Southeast Asia, (including Indonesia) and in Central Asia and the Middle East. 2) In both crimes, the U.S. government exercised total control over the forensic evidence and pseudo-investigations-- the Warren Commission and Phillip Zelikow's 9/11 Commission. 3) In both crimes, the mainstream U.S. media was persistently complicit in promoting the official government narrative, and aggressively censoring stories that contradicted the official narrative. (For example, for the past 18 years the NYT has blacklisted the true story of the "Dancing Israeli" Mossad agents arrested at the Holland Tunnel on 9/11.) 4) Both crimes were blamed on CIA-affiliated patsies, despite obvious problems posed by a careful analysis of the available evidence. (FBI Director Robert Mueller and Dick Cheney ultimately admitted that there was no hard evidence linking Bin Laden to 9/11.) 5) Both patsies (Oswald and Bin Laden) openly denied committing the crimes. (Bin Laden spoke to Al Jazeera and a Pakistani journalist in September of 2001.)

Serious question for the forum. Are most JFKA "truthers" here also 9/11 "truthers?" In my own experience, learning the truth about the JFK assassination was an initial step in a more general process of learning about what Oliver Stone has called, The Untold History of the United States. A big part of solving the puzzle of Deep State U.S. history, for me, was learning about Operation Mockingbird, and the ability of actors in the Deep State to manipulate public perceptions and opinions through the mainstream media-- as in the case of C.D. Jackson, Henry Luce, Life magazine, and the Zapruder photo stills in 1963-- which I studied as a boy. As I told a skeptical friend of mine a few years ago, Operation Mockingbird is a kind of Rosetta Stone for deciphering what I thought I knew about modern American history. I was never a 9/11 "truther" until I happened to buy Laurent Guyenot's JFK to 9/11-- 50 Years of Deep State a few years ago. Subsequently I have learned more every day about the JFK assassination and other Deep State historical events, including 9/11 and its sequelae in Central Asia and the Middle East. My hunch is that most people who have studied the JFK assassination in any detail have experienced a similar shocking learning curve.

Anthony, This is fascinating material about the prehistory of "PNAC." Thanks for posting it. Is there a reference link for the history of the 1979 Belmont House conference?

I know that E. Howard Hunt was a notorious writer of fiction, but is there any credible evidence that Kruschev was blackmailing JFK with sexual kompromat? (Apologies to the old pros on the forum if I am asking a question that has already been answered here.)

Ron, Errol Morris produced a six episiode Netflix miniseries about Frank Olson's murder in 2017, entitled Wormwood. The series documents most of the material described in this UK article-- including President Gerald Ford's later apology to the Olson family.

Marita Lorenz, Who Told Tales of Castro and Kennedy, Dies at 80 She was romanced by revolutionaries. She was called “a patron saint of conspiracy buffs.” At least some of her stories appear to be true. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/world/americas/marita-lopez-dies.html

Indeed. And, IMO, the $6,400,000,000,000 question of the 21st century is whether the CIA, Saudi Arabia, and the Mossad trained and used pork-eating, cocaine-snorting "Al Qaeda" patsies on 9/11 in order to implement the Wolfowitz Doctrine and launch the phony PNAC "War on Terror." I believe that they did. The creation of "ISIS" as a CIA-funded Sunni proxy militia to overthrow the Assad regime and disrupt the Tehran-Baghdad-Hezbollah Axis was, apparently, a later step, necessitated by the overthrow of Saddam's Baathist regime by Iraq's Shiite majority.

I have been interested in the scientific and historical research on the Shroud of Turin for the past 25 years, after visiting former Air Force Academy physicist John Jackson, who headed the Shroud of Turin University Research Project (STURP) in 1978. It's a truly fascinating scientific, forensic, and historical subject that is poorly understood by the general public, (and the mainstream media) based on a priori positivistic assumptions. Though far off topic for this forum, I should mention Ian Wilson's outstanding books about the Shroud -- The Blood on the Shroud, and Holy Faces, Secret Places. One thing that the Shroud has in common with research on the JFK assassination and 9/11 is that people have to understand the nature of bona fide scientific, forensic, and historical evidence to see through a priori assumptions and the veneer of socially-constructed, false reality "explaining" all three phenomena to correctly understand them.

Never trust a guy who would name his dog, "Milhous."

My mistake. I was referring to reports about Cass Sunstein recommending that the U.S. government employ "cognitive infiltrators" to discredit "conspiracy theories" on social media. The concept is deeply flawed when applied inappropriately to cases of historians, scientists, and scholars investigating the suppressed, "untold" history of U.S. military and intelligence ops.

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