21 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Bill,

Yes.

Thank you.

Steve Thomas

John Adamcik searches the Paine home in Irving on the 22nd and 23rd.

Steve, do you know whether SA Bard Odum was at the Paine home on either or both days that Adamcik was searching the house and garage?

43 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

I found all of this part fascinating and informative. Thanks. I didn't know anything about Moore and his background.

Kudos to Alan Kent for the further dive into Moore.  We've since focused more deliberately on Col. Lawrence Orlov and de Mohrenschildt because they both appear in Lafitte's records.  An interesting three legged barstool.

On 7/11/2023 at 7:35 AM, David McLean said:

BTW, Leslie,was Richard Nixon ever  considered to be  T….he was definitely Tricky.

Love It!  You're the first to make the connection.

Barnes was "Trick" during his early years with the agency so that factored into the competition.  But why would Lafitte know him as "Trick"; and why use the first name initial when he spells out surnames as a general rule. What circumstances might he have known Barnes personally? Maybe through Angleton. I think Alan Kent gets into these weeds in his essay which I haven't revisited in some while.

I'm still looking at Steve Tanner; if we turn that stone, we're faced headlong into the Ukraine - Russia crises today.  Gen. Willoughby was in personal communication with Stetzco. Stetzco was planning to move OUN headquarters form Munich to DC.  Tanner met Otto Skorzeny after the war and according to Ralph Ganis, they became friends for life.  Wisner who appears in the datebook as well, was running Tanner's parachute operation after the war. However, if T was Tanner, that could have possibly unraveled the Cuban connections entirely. A hill to high to climb and still meet our pub date.

I wonder if we found our way to the "dark web" today might we find pockets of enraged Proud Boys, 3%ers, Oath Keepers blathering about taking out both Hunter and Joe?

This prompts another question, and apologies for the broad phrasing that reveals severe gaps in my education: IF the Cuban exiles remained rabidly anti-Castro after the assassination in Dallas, and if the agency continued to believe in their cause when Johnson took office, why didn't they pursue another major invasion post-Dallas?  I'm aware of numerous operations allegedly in play, but why were none successful? I'm told the highly trained exiles were shipped off the Vietnam, but does that explain the tens of thousands that remained behind?

I hope it's obvious to the host of this thread that the slight diversion may be going somewhere.

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

This discussion brings to mind the alleged comments by Wayne January-- mentioned by Douglass in JFK and the Unspeakable-- about the Cuban pilot at Red Bird Airport on 11/22/63, who told January that "no Kennedy" would ever be allowed in the White House.

I don't recall the exact phraseology, but it was something to that effect-- hinting that RFK's murderers were part of the same CIA/Anti-Castro consortium.

Do you know whether January identified the Cuban pilot by name?

Unfortunately, I've used up my allotment so I can't attach a screenshot, but the relevant entries in Lafitte's record read:

November 23, 1963

Silverthorne to Mx

(Jean's gone out)

(and perpendicular on the page)
Rene di coup de grace

Call J.V.

(JJA)

November 24, 1963
Red

Airport  (adjacent to a doodle of a box with a square)
 

Silverthorne is reference to CIA pilot Joseph Silverthorne who Hank interviewed.  Obviously Hank didn't come away with a clear confirmation, but sufficient reactions to regard Lafitte's note with a great deal of confidence that he knew what he was talking about.

"Jean" is the now controversial Jean Rene Souetre, OAS Captain who in spring of 1963, met agency officials to request help in eliminating de Gaulle.

The only candidate for "J.V." so far is Joe Valachi but his history with Lafitte precludes him from being a serious prime candidate.  JJA is self explanatory. 

32 minutes ago, Anthony Venturella said:

That's a gracious answer, Leslie. And yes, RFK's quest for truth ended in 1968, with the hopes he would investigate further once in the White House.

From what we know now (e.g. massive amount of new information in Coup in Dallas!), the contours of the plot were likely beyond what even RFK envisioned.

Anthony, a voice in the wilderness, a port in the storm. thank you.

My understanding is that Lisa Pease has come close to solving Robert Sr's. case.  And it's tempting, and for some, logical, to conclude that the brothers were killed by the same sword.  However, if one studies the strategies, the motivations, and the actually mechanisms, there are clear anomalies in my opinion.  FWIW Hank expected to see a direct link to RFK MLK and Malcolm.  It simply didn't surface ... closest might be Hoover, or Trafficante, with Pierre Lafitte (links to Robert Maheu?) a common denominator but that is pure speculation for now.

On 7/12/2023 at 1:25 PM, Leslie Sharp said:

Excellent points, and I anticipated the post would provide you with an opportunity to contribute the glossary!

The "point' of the discussion pertains to the insider's advice - nay direction given to Hank to assist him with the investigation -   that Cubans — specifically Cuban Nationals who had been  (in their minds) betrayed by JFK - would not be brought in on the plot nor the execution itself for fear their innate temperament compounded by revenge might scuttle Skorzeny and Angleton's Lancelot Project.

We're on the same page @Robert Montenegro: you've not listed a single Cuban-born participant that I can see.

 

This underscores my concern all along that unless one spent hours and days of concentrated, focused deliberation with Hank, factoring in all he had accumulated — and another four years dedicated to the analysis of the Lafitte datebook — the interpretation of Lafitte's datebook  and other records might be skewed if not canibalized to suit a biased hypothesis. Hank was focused specifically on the plan to assassinate in Dallas, not the official structure that some of those responsible fell within.  

This was a one-off operation comprised of a tight network as evidenced in Lafitte's datebook - and your list captures many  — but key elements are missing, those who operated within another structure orchestrated by Skorzeny from Madrid and possibly Ireland.

For example, I don't see Degrelle, or Rudel in this list yet Rudel arrived in the US on October 8/9, the same day of Lafitte's auspicious entry.  Would Rudel report to any on this list?

Nor do I see Algur Meadows (who provided the meeting venues) and the Texas oilmen, or the characters at Republic National Bank/Howard Corp. all of whom managed the socio-political dynamics on the ground. I guarantee they didn't report to any on this list.

I'll add to the list as they come to me ...writng from stream of consciousness at the moment:

George Hunter White

Thomas Eli Davis

Carolyn Davis

Philippe de Vosjoli

Victor Oswald

Vickers a.k.a. ??

Hunt a.k.a. E Howard or H. L.?

 

etc.

@Robert Montenegro Who in the structural hierarchy managed Capt. Souetre or La Cagoulards Litt, Lamy, Filiol?  THE C.I.A. turned down OAS Captain Souetre's request for assistance in removing President Charles de Gaulle.  Why would they turn around and hire him to kill President Kennedy?

16 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said:

That’s really too bad. I am wondering what he told you about RFK’s private investigation. I’ve read about it, but this was someone inside. What can you share? 

Only that the records sit idle. It was suggested that I would throw anyone under the bus to get at them, to which I responded calmly that along with other private archives that remain locked away, I argue time's awaistin' for our nation and survival of the experiment.

And you?

45 minutes ago, Robert Montenegro said:

 

At the expense of sounding like a horse's ass, Leslie, but the Lafitte datebook mentions several commanders of the anti-Castro operations, by name, as criminal co-conspirators, no?

William King Harvey (Chief of Task Force W & CIA liaison to Operation MONGOOSE)

COL. Samuel Goodhue Kail (commander, Caribbean Admissions Center, Opa-Locka Air Station & commander, CIA Cuban Operations, Joint Support Group, US Army Element—Region II, 4th US Army Operations Group—US Army Assistant Chief of Staff, Intelligence, Pentagon)

William Wayne Dalzell (founder, Radio Cuba Libre, Pan-American Radio Inc. & co-founder of Friends of Democratic Cuba)

John Wilson-Hudson (co-founder, Friends of Democratic Cuba & commander of "Amerikadeutscher Bund," South American branch)

COL. Joseph Young "Cactus Jack" Canon (US military intelligence infiltrator of Movimiento 26 de julio)

Gen. George Henry Decker (deputy commander of Phase II, Operation MONGOOSE & commander of Special Action Force, Latin America - 8th Special Forces Group in the Canal Zone)

“Jerry Droller” AKA “Frank Bender” AKA “Gerald Drecher" AKA "Wallace A. Parlett" AKA "Mr. B" AKA "Don Federico"  (CIA Cuban Political Action Chief, Western Hemisphere Division & founder of Frente Revolucionario Democrático)

Maj. Gen. Mitchell Livingston WerBell III “AMBOAR” (CIA Technical Services Division contractor/ anti-Castro Cuban commando trainer)

Robert Emmett Johnson (security advisor, Servicio de Inteligencia Militar, Dominican Republic/ special agent, International Services of Information Foundation, Inc./ commander, Intercontinental Penetration Force)

 

Umm, correct me if I missed anybody.

Certainly I don't want to sound obtuse, but, you pretty much have all of the important anti-Castro covert action officers all mentioned in the Lafitte datebook.

I don't understand your argument.

You're saying all of the important anti-Castro commanders were involved in murdering President Kennedy, but they didn't trust their own subordinates?

Excellent points, and I anticipated the post would provide you with an opportunity to contribute the glossary!

The "point' of the discussion pertains to the insider's advice - nay direction given to Hank to assist him with the investigation -   that Cubans — specifically Cuban Nationals who had been  (in their minds) betrayed by JFK - would not be brought in on the plot nor the execution itself for fear their innate temperament compounded by revenge might scuttle Skorzeny and Angleton's Lancelot Project.

We're on the same page @Robert Montenegro: you've not listed a single Cuban-born participant that I can see.

This underscores my concern all along that unless one spent hours and days of concentrated, focused deliberation with Hank, factoring in all he had accumulated — and another four years dedicated to the analysis of the Lafitte datebook — the interpretation of Lafitte's datebook  and other records might be skewed if not canibalized to suit a biased hypothesis. Hank was focused specifically on the plan to assassinate in Dallas, not the official structure that some of those responsible fell within.  

This was a one-off operation comprised of a tight network as evidenced in Lafitte's datebook - and your list captures many  — but key elements are missing, those who operated within another structure orchestrated by Skorzeny from Madrid and possibly Ireland.

For example, I don't see Degrelle, or Rudel in this list yet Rudel arrived in the US on October 8/9, the same day of Lafitte's auspicious entry.  Would Rudel report to any on this list?

Nor do I see Algur Meadows (who provided the meeting venues) and the Texas oilmen, or the characters at Republic National Bank/Howard Corp. all of whom managed the socio-political dynamics on the ground. I guarantee they didn't report to any on this list.

I'll add to the list as they come to me ...writng from stream of consciousness at the moment:

George Hunter White

Thomas Eli Davis

Carolyn Davis

Philippe de Vosjoli

Victor Oswald

Vickers a.k.a. ??

Hunt a.k.a. E Howard or H. L.?

etc.

@Paul CummingsBy then, hadn't Ilya Mamantov surfaced to provide Marina with translation? Are you familiar with the story that Mamantov was picked up at his home on Mockingbird Lane at approx. 12:15, prior to the assassination in Dealey?

21 minutes ago, Anthony Venturella said:

Agree. This reminds one of JFK, Jr.'s remarks about RFK Sr.'s insight into the JFKA: "Bobby knew everything." 

Unfortunately, the conversations with Sr.'s former campaign staffer eventually dissolved because I can't back down from what Albarelli uncovered which does not comport specifically with the staffer's understanding of the direction Bob Sr. had been led in his private investigation. I encouraged him to consider that the tragedy at The Ambassador ended Sr.'s quixotic journey in 1968; perhaps there was much more to uncover.

42 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

A seasoned researcher who knew Hank personally recently asked to play 'devil's advocate' and challenge an insider's caution provided Hank by an agent within the CIA that this specific plan to eliminate Kennedy did not involve Cubans. He told Hank (paraphrasing) that the cultural temperament, fueled by rage and resentment toward Kennedy for the BoP, would've impaired their ability to remain calm and effective in Dallas and to keep their mouth shut following the hit.  The 'advocate' pointed out that the CIA guy sounded like he was culturally stereotyping;😎 I suggested that was likely the norm within this milieu, especially in the '60s. 

That said, in addition to Lafitte's reference to "swamp groups", many argue persuasively that Radio Guy and Umbrella Man were Cubans. So, one must ask whether Capt. Jean Souetre had worked with them on the island to the degree he would trust them with that support task in Dealey? Would Col. Canon and Col. Askins for that matter?  

The designation "swamp groups" in Lafitte's datebook definitely lends credence to involvement of those training in Florida or Louisiana in the timeframe, and we know they included anti-Castro Cubans and/or their sympathizers. 

And what role did Gerard Litt — Otto Skorzeny's main ally within the group of ex-Cagoulards — and sociopaths Jean Paul Filiol and girlfriend/trained assassin Alice Lamy play in Dealey?

This same devil's advocate followed with the astute observation: If an “agency insider” wanted to deflect attention away from the participation of anti-Castro Cubans, he/she might do so by stating they were “far too impassioned” to be reliably useful in the operation, a sweeping characterization that verges on cultural stereotyping? There were a lot of passions at play in this plot and surely they didn’t all belong to the anti-Castro Cubans. 

Those of us who have stayed with Hank's investigation for the past four years have asked the aforementioned as well. Might Hank have been deliberately mislead?  If so, did those same agency misleaders also concoct the Lafitte datebook and leave the Cubans out of it in some bizarrely complicated scheme to deflect?  And then sit and wait for Hank to find his way to Lafitte's doorstep in the late '90s where he was handed the misleading datebook?

I've also accepted that detractors suspect me, maybe Hank, as being one of those "agency insiders" attempting to deflect from exposure of anti-Castro Cubans' involvement in the Dallas assassination as it would lead to the agency(ies). That simply is not the case.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Communist Party, a 'Communist Party sympathizer,' or one who 'hews to the Communist Party line.'" 

Insert any three-letter acronym of any and all US Intel agencies in place of "communist party."

1 hour ago, Steve Rosen said:

RFK Jr. re CIA rogue element involvement in JFK assassination:

"People who were working for the CIA were definitely involved. People like E. Howard Hunt, David Atlee Phillips, David Morales ... these were people who were involved in the Miami station ..."

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1678766965266190336?t=GBxsEZIjo1KHNFEmDYcQjQ&s=19

Hi Steve,

It's frustrating that Skyhorse — publisher of  RFK Jr.'s The Real Anthony Fauci   — missed the window before the campaign launched to encourage him to read Albarelli's last investigation.  Ironically, our editor was lead editor on Bobby's book. In what Hank would recognize as high strangeness and synchronicity, we also shared the same pub date, November 19, 2021.

Recently, a man who served on Bob Sr.s campaign contacted me to discuss Coup in Dallas.  He seems to have significant insight into RFK's private investigation following his brother's assassination in Dallas, so presumably Jr. is speaking from that perspective. 

A seasoned researcher who knew Hank personally recently asked to play 'devil's advocate' and challenge an insider's caution provided Hank by an agent within the CIA that this specific plan to eliminate Kennedy did not involve Cubans. He told Hank (paraphrasing) that the cultural temperament, fueled by rage and resentment toward Kennedy for the BoP, would've impaired their ability to remain calm and effective in Dallas and to keep their mouth shut following the hit.  The 'advocate' pointed out that the CIA guy sounded like he was culturally stereotyping;😎 I suggested that was likely the norm within this milieu, especially in the '60s. 

That said, in addition to Lafitte's reference to "swamp groups", many argue persuasively that Radio Guy and Umbrella Man were Cubans. So, one must ask whether Capt. Jean Souetre had worked with them on the island to the degree he would trust them with that support task in Dealey? Would Col. Canon and Col. Askins for that matter?  

The designation "swamp groups" in Lafitte's datebook definitely lends credence to involvement of those training in Florida or Louisiana in the timeframe, and we know they included anti-Castro Cubans and/or their sympathizers. 

And what role did Gerard Litt — Otto Skorzeny's main ally within the group of ex-Cagoulards — and sociopaths Jean Paul Filiol and girlfriend/trained assassin Alice Lamy play in Dealey?

1 hour ago, Roger Odisio said:

Against my better judgement I'm going to offer a limited response, Leslie. Again I don't speak for Greg or Bart.  

 

As you have said, the question of who didn't do it  and who did are separate, if linked, issues.  I have argued that the logical sequence of inquiry, the one most likely to achieve results, is to first show Oswald didn't do it to build support for finding out who did.  I don't know if either Greg or Bart agrees with that.  

 

But most at ROKC are focused on the exoneration of Oswald, though of course not entirely, and see Prayerman as the key to that effort at the moment. There is plenty of evidence that Oswald didn't do it, was not even on the 6th floor, so even if the figure on the steps turns out to be someone else, the mission won't change.

 

It's not that they feel threatened by your research about what you see as Skorzeny's role in the murder.  It's a distraction, certainly irrelevant to the pursuit of Prayerman.

 

More than that, they recoil at your voluminous use of the datebook in your posts without first establishing its legitimacy.  IOW, it's not only a distraction but, worse, one without a legit basis for discussion in the first place.

 

Much of the vitriol, I think, comes from that. 

Roger.  I've been compelled to delete the conversation with Kamp and Parker. I'll copy - paste your measured (and much appreciated) comment in a new comment.

11 hours ago, Paul Cummings said:

Yes, Holt was carrying a transistor radio as he was listening and following the parade. He also said it's how they found out about Tippit being shot. It wasn't a "typical radio" that you and I might think.

If the tramps were part of the plot — either as decoys or comms, etc. — are the unformed guys oblivious or are they playing supporting roles?

@Roger Odisio

. . . of who did kill JFK, not who didn't:

 

1 hour ago, Robert Montenegro said:

 

On a cultural-psychological level, yes, the anti-Castro Cubans and CIA as a structural organization are patsies.

 

However, a certain, small group of agency officials used the byzantine mechanisms of CIA to murder President Kennedy—just as certain leaders of the anti-Castro element weaponized the dizzying phalanx of competing anti-Castro organizations to maneuver mechanics in and out of the kill zone that was Dealey Plaza, using the same gunrunning and narcoterrorist ratlines that were utilized for targeting Cuba.

We shall see.  

I'm looking for precise command structure for the machinations described.  I can't believe that Skorzeny would hand  responsibility for a battalion over to anyone other than those who had the most to lose.  For that reason, the November 19 entry, "Souetre to go overt with Jack C." may well mean Col. Jack Canon and not Jack Crichton as originally suspected.  This would position military trained Capt. Souetre and Willoughby's Z. Org Col. Canon working in tandem, each with their own kill team.   So, would Morales, responsible for the swamp groups having trained at Opa Locka and or Pontchartrain OR the property of the New Orleans guy whose name escapes me (see Fensterwald document), be read in on the strategy prior to November 22? If so, by whom?  No evidence Lafitte was in that communication loop, so the likely candidate is Barnes, right, or Bill Harvey?  And perhaps McCord enters the picture here under the auspices of the RAVEN entry in the datebook, a.k.a. Francis Raven, NSA encryption expert extraordinaire!  

Next stop: Zagnew Station, Eugene Dinkin. pigpen cypher, Proctor in the desert with WerBell, Eritrea, Tom Davis, Philippe de Vosjoli.

Still a lot of loose ends.

3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Good news - thanks to Leslie, Robert, and others the term Nazi can be used in its historical context, but not as a political bludgeon. Thanks to Mae Brussell for first opening this sordid history in possible connection to the JFK assassination. So many intrepid researchers have exposed these global Nazi and fascist connections, and other than by a smallish group of initiated citizens their labors remain unappreciated. The American people remain blissfully unaware of their own fascist history. I’m reading a book now by one of these researchers, John Loftus, called ‘The Secret War Against the Jews’. I had no idea that the notorious Kim Philby’s father was a notorious figure in the history of Ibn Saud and his Saudi Arabia kingdom. 
I was not aware of Francis Parker Yockey and his connections, or Julius Evola. 
tha task before us is to connect the dots between our CIA and Military Industrial Establishment and this fascist group, which clearly predates WW 2 and includes all manner of American Industrialists, and the assassination of JFK, not only ideologically - no doubt about that - but mechanically too. One of the key places to look is in our Cuban operations. Related closely to that is JMWAVE and yes, Madrid.

I hope this thread doesn't boomerang back to Cuba and the Cubans in the investigation of the actual plot to kill Kennedy in Dallas, unless it is to understand and accept that Madrid was the base for planning Lancelot Project - NOT Havana or Miami - with a possible satellite cover in Haiti.

Is it possible THE Cubans and Castro were patsies? is it possible THE C.I.A. writ large was the patsy?

https://www.texasobserver.org/homegrown-neo-fascist-movement-marches-in-austin/?fbclid=IwAR2XytSBWmi5nXA5YRQEOno9ifQRaT99WRlWAdsvbcxO2TmNvxUGr0bB9t4

 

3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Good news - thanks to Leslie, Robert, and others the term Nazi can be used in its historical context, but not as a political bludgeon. Thanks to Mae Brussell for first opening this sordid history in possible connection to the JFK assassination. So many intrepid researchers have exposed these global Nazi and fascist connections, and other than by a smallish group of initiated citizens their labors remain unappreciated. The American people remain blissfully unaware of their own fascist history. I’m reading a book now by one of these researchers, John Loftus, called ‘The Secret War Against the Jews’. I had no idea that the notorious Kim Philby’s father was a notorious figure in the history of Ibn Saud and his Saudi Arabia kingdom. 
I was not aware of Francis Parker Yockey and his connections, or Julius Evola. 
tha task before us is to connect the dots between our CIA and Military Industrial Establishment and this fascist group, which clearly predates WW 2 and includes all manner of American Industrialists, and the assassination of JFK, not only ideologically - no doubt about that - but mechanically too. One of the key places to look is in our Cuban operations. Related closely to that is JMWAVE and yes, Madrid.

Paul, we cover Yockey and Evola in some detail. Yockey is critical as he provides the glue from Willis Carto and General Walker. The Postscript to Coup then identifies the trajectory from 1963 through the crisis we now find ourselves in, and how Trump was the logical candidate to hold the hammer of the final nail in K's coffin. Trump backers, Breitbart/Bannon once lauded Evola's philosophies. Regnery Press whose dynasty got behind Trump early on, published works based on the philosophy. 

2 hours ago, David McLean said:

In support of RM’s revelatory research, and his rage at the implications,we as a community are entering into the grief process again and it hurts. JFK is dead we know that, but how, why and by whom? If Albarelli and Co are on the right track, many myself included are in a state almost of denial, RM is justifiably enraged, as was John Loftus, Peter Levenda, before him and Mae Brussell early on. And Phillip K Dick too.
But Kennedy? 
What sort of world do we live in, have we been dreaming, that the good guys won way back then?

 

David, I've wondered the same thing since realizing that Otto Skorzeny served as the strategist for the plot in Dallas. Unsettling to say the very least.  That said, Oglesby warned us, as did Mae. The question for me now? Who came along and virtually airbrushed their revelations from assassination research? Could it have been an accident?

@Paul Brancato Peter L. is alive and well; he follows my Facebook posts related to Coup in Dallas, having written the Introduction to A Terrible Mistake, Hank Albarelli's exposé on the murder of CIA scientist Frank Olson, an investigation that led him to Pierre Lafitte and his 1963 datebook among other records.  

Hank was a long time fan of Levenda who eventually spent time with him in Florida where they developed a mutual admiration society.  Peter has been very supportive of Coup, recognizing the overarching themes. 

@David McLean @Paul Brancato I recommend Yeadon and Hawkins' Nazi Hydra in America. The book deserves a revival of interest in these times.