Bill Brown

6 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

Dale Myers, Bill Brown and Michael Brownlow have all spent more time at 10th and Patton than any other researcher. You should give them some credit. They have all confirmed Oswald shot Tippit.

Thanks Gerry.  Much appreciated, Buddy.

15 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

Mr. Brown failed to respond when I asked him why the dictabelt indicates that Ted Callaway made a second citizen call for help AFTER the ambulance had already arrived.

"Mr. Brown failed to respond when I asked him why the dictabelt indicates that Ted Callaway made a second citizen call for help AFTER the ambulance had already arrived."

I wasn't aware that this really required a response.

"I went on up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn't know whether anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them, and told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay off the air, so I went back." -- Ted Callaway (Warren Commission testimony)

Oswald gave Whaley the destination of 500 N. Beckley.  Once they approached the 700 block (Beckley and Neely), Oswald told Whaley that this would do just fine.  Whaley pulled over just north of the corner and Oswald got out.

2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

It's been explained to you in the paragraph previous to the one you cited.

Please try to keep up.

No.  Again, no.

The Supplementary Offense Report is not an official medical document, in regards to Tippit's time of death and/or when he was pronounced dead.  It was given by Davenport, who was the police officer who followed the ambulance to Methodist Hospital.

The only document that matters says that Tippit was D.O.A.

It also says that his time of death was 1:15.

However, it does NOT say that Tippit was pronounced D.O.A. at 1:15, as you'd have others believe.

On 4/12/2024 at 6:44 AM, Gil Jesus said:

All speculation.

Bowley was never called to testify. The only statement he made was an affidavit taken by an unknown officer ( 24 H 202 ). In that affidavit, he stated, "I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm." He leaves no doubt what time his watch displayed.

When you claim his watch was 5 minutes slow, you're speculating without any evidence to back it up, choosing to "explain what makes sense" instead of looking at the evidence to the contrary.

There is overwhelming and corroborating evidence that the murder occurred before 1:15.

Bowley's time of 1:10 pm for his arrival is corroborated by other evidence.

Firstly, if the murder occured at or after 1:15, Helen Markham is not standing on the corner. She's on her bus and well on her way to work.

Markham had been walking along Patton on her way to "catch the 1:15 bus" to work at the corner of Patton and East Jefferson, one block from the shooting. She told the Commission that she had left her house a little "after 1:00", walked one block to Tenth and Patton and placed the time of the shooting at 1:06 - 1:07 pm.

Mr. BALL. You think it was a little after 1?

Mrs. MARKHAM. I wouldn't be afraid to bet it wasn't 6 or 7 minutes after 1.

Mr. BALL. You know what time you usually get your bus, don't you?

Mrs. MARKHAM. 1:15.

Mr. BALL. So it was before 1:15 ?

Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, it was.

( 3 H 306 )

The time of the shooting HAD to have been before 1:15, otherwise Mrs. Markham was never going to get her bus.

Helen Markham had to walk two blocks to catch her bus. She had only walked one block when she witnessed the murder. The 1:15 time for the shooting is ridiculous for two reasons: it implies that either Mrs. Markham left her house too late to catch her bus, or that she would have taken over ten minutes to walk that one block.

Markham's sworn affidavit put the time of the murder at "approximately" 1:06 pm:

Markham's estimation that the shooting occurred at 1:06 is completely consistent with her walk to the bus stop taking a total of 10-12 minutes. This is supported by the schedule of the bus Mrs. Markham was trying to catch, which indicates that the time the bus would get to Patton and Jefferson was 1:12 pm.

You can't have Markham on the corner at 1:15 AND the murder occurring at that time.

Her bus arrives at Patton Ave and East Jefferson at 1:12 and leaves at 1:15. She can't be one block away at 1:15 and still catch her bus.

Either you have the crime occurring after 1:15 pm and Markham is on her bus, or you have Markham on the corner witnessing the murder BEFORE 1:15.

But you can't have it both ways. The evidence doesn't support it.

Tippit's last radio broadcast ( Car 78 ) was at 1:08 pm. At that time, he was still alive.

The evidence now indicates that the time of the murder was between the 1:08 of his last transmission and the 1:12 arrival of Mrs. Markham's bus.

Secondly, there are the transcripts of the police log.

Commission Document 1420 is the transcript of the Dallas police log for 11/22/63. It shows that T.F. Bowley made the original call on the radio at 1:16 ( page 52 ).

BUT the ambulance WENT TO THE WRONG LOCATION before it arrived at the Tippit shooting scene. On page 54, The ambulance responding to the call ( 602 ) radioes that he's arrived at the scene, ( Code 6 ) the time is noted as 1:19. Then he asks, "what's that address on Jefferson ?" He's redirected by the dispatch to a second wrong address, "501 East Tenth".

On the next page, the ambulance once again indicates a Code 6 ( out at destination ).

On the following page, although the ambulance has already arrived, there is a second use of the police car radio by a civilian ( highlighted in blue ) to report the shooting.

Why on earth would someone use the police radio to report the shooting a second time if the ambulance was already on the scene ? Is this evidence that the dictabelt has been tampered with ?

Thirdly, witnesses in the neighborhood placed the time of the shooting closer to 1:00 pm, rather than after 1:15.

Ted Callaway " about 1 pm" ( 24 H 204 )
Sam Guinyard "about 1pm" ( 24 H 210 )
Barbara Davis "a few minutes after 1pm" ( CD 87, pg. 556 )
Domingo Benavides " it was about 1 o'clock" ( 6 H 446 )

Francis Kinneth "approximately 1 pm" ( Oswald 201 file, Vol 25, part 2 of 2, pg. 119 )
Frank Cimino "around 1pm" ( Oswald 201 file, Vol. 8, pg. 239 )

Mrs. Higgins "heard the shots and ran out her front door to see Tippit lying in the street. She said it was 1:06. She knew that because she was watching TV and the announcer said it. So she automatically checked her clock when he said it and he was right." ( Barry Ernest interview with Mrs. Higgins from his book, "The Girl on the Stairs", 2010 )

Not one witness puts the murder later than 1:10 pm.

Fourthly, Dallas Police Officers Davenport and Bardin escorted the ambulance with Tippit's body to Methodist Hospital. Their report indicates that Tippit was pronounced dead at 1:15 pm.

Not only was Tippit pronounced dead, he was pronounced "dead on arrival ". The term D.O.A. means that the victim was "dead on arrival" or "dead on admission" to the hospital. In the case of a D.O.A., doctors at the hospital have no way of knowing when a victim actually lost his life, so the time of pronunciation of death is based on the time of arrival at the hospital, hence dead-on-ARRIVAL.

The report of the officers is corroborated by the "Permit for Autopsy" , which states that Tippit was indeed "dead on arrival" and that the time of his arrival was 1:15 pm.

Tippit couldn't have been shot later than  1:15 as the Commission ( and you ) contend if his body was arriving D.O.A. at the hospital at 1:15.

Fifthly, in his interview with the House Select Committee on Assassinations, in September 1977, ambulance driver Jasper Clayton Butler said that from the time the ambulance company got the call to the time Tippit was pronounced dead was "approximately four minutes."

This puts the call from police to the ambulance company at 1:11, again, consistent with Bowley's arrival time of 1:10 and Tippit's last use of the radio at 1:08. 

This puts the killing in the 1:08-1:10 range, a physical impossibility for Oswald to have been in that location if he left his roominghouise a few minutes after 1:00.

Sixthly, there is evidence that the FBI tampered with the written record.

The FBI claimed that it interviewed Dr. Richard Liquori, who pronounced Tippit dead and that Liquori stated that he pronounced Tippit dead at 1:25 pm.

But if you look closely at the time, the original time was handwritten over to read 1:25.

And this wasn't the only document the FBI changed the time by hand to read "1:25". They did the same thing in their report on the records of the Dudley Hughes Funeral Home.

Dr. Liquori was never called to testify. A homicide case where the doctor who pronounces the victim dead is never called to testify ?

I suggest to the reader that these documents originally said "1:15" and the second "1" was altered by hand to a "2 ".

Seventhly, and finally, more than one witness claimed to have seen Oswald BEFORE Tippit was murdered, more than 3/4 of a mile from the murder scene.

Perhaps the most damaging evidence to an Oswald-killed-Tippit scenario comes from the man who ran the concession stand at the Texas Theater, Warren ( Butch ) Burroughs, who said he saw Oswald enter the Texas Theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm.

 

Burroughs said that Oswald had purchased popcorn about 1:15 and then sat next to a pregnant woman who went to the bathroom and then disappeared.

A second witness who puts Oswald inside the Texas Theater at the time of the Tippit killing was Jack Davis.

Author Bill Simpich writes, "Burroughs’ story was corroborated by eighteen-year-old Jack Davis, never questioned by the Warren Commission, who remembered at 1:15 seeing Oswald squeeze in right next to him at the mostly deserted theater during the opening credits to the movie, then got up quickly and sat down next to someone else. Davis stated that Oswald sat next to him and then another patron before going out to the lobby."

Documentation indicates that Tippit was pronounced dead on arrival at Methodist Hospital at 1:15. Given the four minute approximate that it took for the ambulance to respond to the call and transport the fallen officer, I believe that the timeline supports that Tippit was killed before 1:11. I believe he was killed between 1:08 and 1:10.

Tippit's last broadcast was at 1:08 pm. He called dispatch twice and got no response.

T.F. Bowley came upon Tippit lying in the street, looked at his watch and it said 1:10.

If Tippit was killed AFTER 1:15, Helen Markham and T. F. Bowley would not have been witnesses. Markham would have been on her bus and Bowley would have already picked up his daughter at school.

The documented evidence supports a shooting timeline prior to 1:15 pm, probably in the 1:08-1:10 range, too early for Oswald to have walked to the scene from his roominghouse, even if he left at 1:00 pm.

When it comes to the time of the murder, you can believe the dictabelt or you can believe the mountain of corroborating evidence to the contrary.

But the timing of the Tippit murder as proof for or aganist Oswald's guilt becomes insignificant when you consider that Oswald had an alibi. Two witnesses ( Burroughs and Davis ) saw Oswald in the Texas Theater at or before 1:15 pm and their corroborating accounts make it impossible for him to have been Tippit's killer.

Learn the case.

 

"The report of the officers is corroborated by the "Permit for Autopsy" , which states that Tippit was indeed "dead on arrival" and that the time of his arrival was 1:15 pm."

No.

It doesn't say that at all.

Why do you continually misquote and misrepresent?

13 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

That is BS.  The chapter in the book titled Badge Man considers the possibility somewhat skeptically and includes much other info on other subjects.  E.G, O'Donell and Powers, Gordon Arnold, Was Badge Man a Black Woman?  Then the Belmont memo, you've read it, I guess?  He concludes: "And it would have been not only implausible but simply impossible for a policeman at work in Oak Cliff around 12:17 to have been part of the shooting in Delay Plaza less than fifteen minutes later."  From pg. 571, actually the chapter covers pages 539 - 579, 32 of them.

Buy a copy and read it first.

 Into the Nightmare: My Search for the Killers of President John F. Kennedy and Officer J. D. Tippit: McBride, Joseph: 9781939795250: Amazon.com: Books

No.

It's not "BS" at all.

Maybe you should run off and watch some of the more recent podcast interviews McBride has done.  He has Tippit shooting at the President from behind the fence atop the knoll.

35 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

Would both tags be applied at the same dry cleaner? Hard to imagine why someone would have a garment dry cleaned twice and not removing the tags from the first cleaning before wearing and having it cleaned again.

The 30 030 was not a removable tag. It was printed onto the jacket. 

13 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

So you don't believe Tippit was on the grassy knoll? Who do you think badge man was so, Roscoe White?

Gerry,

The sad part here is that McBride has Tippit as Badge Man. 

2 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

Doesn’t sound like there is enough information to indicate geographical location as well as customer information. Using this information would require actually contacting dry cleaning establishments to see if they used both of these machines as I assume a garment would have any previous tags removed before being dry-cleaned. A massive task even if done by phone. Even limiting Southern California dry cleaning establishments within a 5 mile radius of Oswald’s known postings in Orange and San Diego Counties would be an onerous task, assuming they were still in business in 1964.

I could find no information on either tag equipment company.

For what it's worth...

The 30-030 marking could be a water temperature recommendation when laundering a particular piece of garment, in this case, the jacket. 

The B-9738 marking could be a description of the jacket's color of "vanilla".

"Someone even wrote a book that borrowed so heavily from my own original work (much of it without credit), that I thought I was reading With Malice, until I started encountering every crazy falsehood and distortion ever written about the Tippit case." -- Dale Myers (11/22/2023 blog post)

http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2023/11/six-decades-of-truth-and-consequences.html?m=1

On 4/11/2024 at 2:30 PM, Tom Gram said:

That’s possible, but who the hell keeps a dry cleaning tag in their jacket for 4+ years? If I recall, the FBI found the specific type of machine used, (a Clean-O-Matic or something like that), and found every dry cleaner in Dallas and New Orleans who had one. None of them generated the tag. 

I think you are right that it was just those two cities. Do we know the condition of the tag, like if it looked old/new, etc.? A four-year-old tag would probably be pretty beat up and faded. 

The B9738 tag had been printed by a Tag-O-Lectric tagging machine and the 030 marking had been printed with a National Laundry tagging machine.

Mr. OLDS. Well, I know, but we had the idea that Oswald was not being accurate when he said he had been denied, because in our dealings with the police here, we have had reason to believe that they are very careful of this sort of thing. And certainly in a case of this notoriety, certainly, our tendency was to believe that, but I have always been sorry that we didn't talk with Oswald, because it was not clear whether we would be permitted to see him that night or not.
Mr. STERN. But, you did not ask to see him?
Mr. OLDS. No; we did not, which I think was a mistake on my part.

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

 

LOL, oh really? The dispatcher never says 1:10?

Lookie here:

 

Disp 10-4 603 and 602, 1:10 p .m .
6C2 What's that address on Jefferson?
Disp 501 East 10th .
85 85 out .
19 19 .
Disp 19 .
19, Give me the correct address on the shooting .
Dizp 501 East 10th .
105 105 .
602 602 Code 6
Unknown Was 519 E . Jefferson correct?
Disp We have 2 locations, 501 E . Jefferson and 501 E . 10th.
19, are you enroute?
Uknown This is an officer
19 to-4 .
19 19 is enroute .
Disp 10-4, 19.
605 605 Code 5 .
Disp 10-4, 605, 1:10.
Disp 85 .
602 602 .
Disp 85 . . . .
85, 85 .
Disp The subject's running west on Jefferson from the location.
85 10-4 .
Disp No physical description .
Citizen [Bowley] hello, hello, hello . . . .
602 602 . . .
Citizen [Bowley] . . . . from out here on 10th Street, 300 block . This police
officer's just shot . I think he's dead .
Disp 10-4, we have the information . The Citizen using the
radio, remain off the radio now .
 

From p. 408 and 409 of CE-705:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pdf/WH17_CE_705.pdf

 

The dispatcher says it's 1:10 PM twice, just before Bowley gets on the radio! This is precisely the time that Bowley says he made the radio call!

As I said, the Dictabelt and transcript were altered to show a later time -- about 9 minutes later -- to give Oswald more time to get there to supposedly shoot Tippit. But the coverup artists made a mistake and didn't change this 1:10 PM time. The error was caught later and attempts made to correct it, but it was too late to cover all their tracks!

 

No, No and No.

There is no verbal timestamp of 1:10 given by the dispatcher.  You can hear the dispatcher give the timestamp of 1:11 on two occasions, about thirty seconds apart... and what do ya know?  Six minutes later you can hear Bowley report his call on Tippit's squad car radio.

You really should just go and listen to the actual audio for yourself.

4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

The person I got that story from was a little loose in his characterization of the Higgins interview. The "reporters" he spoke of was actually researcher Barry Ernest. The quote is from an unplanned interview he had with Higgins, which he recorded in his book.

Higgins had remembered the time of the shooting after all those years because she heard the 1:16 PM time reported on the news in 1963 and she realized that the real time was ten minutes prior. She told Ernest, "I'd bet my life" on that time.

 

 

Oh my gosh, how old are you, Bill?

Television was funny back then, with an awful lot of live broadcasts featuring absolute amateurs. I remember one local TV show called "Dialing for Dollars" where the host would randomly pick a phone number, call it, wait for six rings to pass, and then count to ten to give the household more time to answer the phone. If a person did answer, the host would ask a question. The person would win some amount of money if they got the answer right.

It was all very corny. I just looked it up in Wikipedia and was surprised to find an article on it. Our local Dialing for Dollars set looked a lot like the one on the left here:

 

It's not at all surprising that a live host back then would give out the time of day.

 

"The person I got that story from was a little loose in his characterization of the Higgins interview. The "reporters" he spoke of was actually researcher Barry Ernest. The quote is from an unplanned interview he had with Higgins, which he recorded in his book."

Right.  Exactly as I said, decades later from a questionable researcher.  Did Ernest record the supposed interview with Higgins?  Of course not.  Like i said, questionable.  So then perhaps you shouldn't have said that Higgins told reporters that she was watching the news and the announcer stated that the time was six minutes after one.

"Oh my gosh, how old are you, Bill?

Television was funny back then, with an awful lot of live broadcasts featuring absolute amateurs. I remember one local TV show called "Dialing for Dollars" where the host would randomly pick a phone number, call it, wait for six rings to pass, and then count to ten to give the household more time to answer the phone. If a person did answer, the host would ask a question. The person would win some amount of money if they got the answer right."

How is any of the above supposed to suggest that ANY announcer on television ever noted on the air that the time was six minutes after one?

What I am telling you is that it did not happen.  There is no footage of any television announcer giving that time stamp.

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

What?? Markham told the Warren Commission FIFTEEN times that Oswald wasn't the man who she saw shoot Tippit!

 

Mr. Ball: Now when you went into the room you looked these people over, these four men?

Mrs. Markham: Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball: Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?

Mrs. Markham: No, sir.

Mr. Ball: You did not? Did you see anybody - I have asked you this question before - did you recognize anybody from their face?

Mrs. Markham: From their face, no.

Mr. Ball: Did you identify anybody in these four people?

Mrs. Markham: I didn't know nobody.

Mr. Ball: I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?

Mrs. Markham: No, I had never seen none of them, none of these men.

Mr. Ball: No one of the four?

Mrs. Markham: No one of them.

Mr. Ball: No one of all four?

Mrs. Markham: No, sir.

Mr. Ball: Was there a number two man in there?

Mrs. Markham: Number two is the one I picked.<:f>

Mr. Ball: Well, I though you just told me that you hadn't-

Mrs. Markham: I thought you wanted me to describe their clothing.

Mr. Ball: No, I wanted to know if that day when you were in there if you saw anyone in there-

Mrs. Markham: Number two.

Mr. Ball: What did you say when you saw number two?

Mrs. Markham: Well, let me tell you. I said the second man, and they kept asking me which one, which one. I said number two. When I said number two, I just got weak.

Mr. Ball: What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?

Mrs. Markham: Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

Mr. Ball: You recognized him from his appearance?

Mrs. Markham: I asked- I looked at him. When I saw this man I wasn't sure, but I had cool chills just run over me.

o
o
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Mr. BALL. I have two Commission Exhibits, 535 and 533. I will show them to you, Mrs. Markham, and I will ask you if you have ever seen the man who is pictured there, whose picture is shown on these two exhibits.

Mrs. MARKHAM. No.

Mr. BALL. Never have seen him before. Do you think he might have been one of the men you talked to before?

Mrs. MARKHAM. No, no.

Mr. BALL. They are pictures of the same man.

Mrs. MARKHAM. No.

Mr. DULLES. We are inquiring whether you had ever seen him after the assassination.

Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, I know. No, not this man. This man I have never seen. I have never seen this man in my life.

Mr. BALL. I have no further questions.

Mr. DULLES. Do you know who he is?

Mrs. MARKHAM. No, I don’t. It is just a picture of a man. I don’t know him.

Mr. DULLES. Mr. Ball, do you have any further questions?

Mr. BALL. No further questions

 

 

"What?? Markham told the Warren Commission FIFTEEN times that Oswald wasn't the man who she saw shoot Tippit!"

No, she doesn't tell the Warren Commission that at all.  She was confused about what Ball was asking her and we know this because she very plainly states that the number two man was the man she saw shoot the policeman.  Oswald was the number two man.

Also, in a filmed interview, Markham says that Oswald is the man she saw shoot Tippit.

So I ask you... What does obvious confusion during her testimony in 1964 have to do with the FACT that she positively identified Oswald on the night of November 22nd, 1963?

37 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Yep... 1:06 PM:

Helen Markham had just arrived at the northwest corner of 10th & Patton, en route to catch the city bus one block south at Jefferson & Patton (at 1:15 PM). She told the Warren Commission it was "6 or 7 minutes after 1  [1:06 or 1:07 PM]" 

Mrs. Margie Higgins, who lived at 417 East 10th St. was watching television and later told reporters, "Well, I was watching the news on television and for some reason the announcer turned and looked at the clock and said the time was six minutes after one (1:06 PM). At that point I heard the shots."

Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was searching the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, when a rifle was discovered. Craig wrote, “… At that exact moment an unknown Dallas police officer came running up the stairs and advised Capt. Fritz that a Dallas policeman had been shot in the Oak Cliff area. I instinctively looked at my watch. The time was 1:06 PM."

 

 

It has been shown in numerous ways that the original DPD Dictabelts were recreated for the WC with false times that are ~9 minutes later than reality.

One example of this is the fact that official documents indicate Tippit dying at the hospital before being picked up by an ambulance. Another example is the evidence that the shooting occurred at 1:06 PM, not several minutes later as noted by the WC.

Here is yet another example.

T.F. Bowley was driving west on 10th Street and arrived a few minutes after the shooting. He looked at his watch--the time was 1:10 PM.  An original DPD police transcript, found in the National Archives, lists the time of Bowley's call  to the police as 1:10 PM.  The original DPD transcript (CE 705) shows the report of Tippit's murder by Bowley at 1:10 PM. The FBI transcript, (CE 1974) prepared in August, 1964, lists the reporting time of Tippit's murder by Bowley at 1:19 PM--nine minutes later.

 

"Yep... 1:06 PM:"

No Sir.

Helen Markham had just arrived at the northwest corner of 10th & Patton, en route to catch the city bus one block south at Jefferson & Patton (at 1:15 PM). She told the Warren Commission it was "6 or 7 minutes after 1  [1:06 or 1:07 PM]"

She also told the Warren Commission that Oswald was the man she saw shoot the police man.  So, what now?

Mrs. Margie Higgins, who lived at 417 East 10th St. was watching television and later told reporters, "Well, I was watching the news on television and for some reason the announcer turned and looked at the clock and said the time was six minutes after one (1:06 PM). At that point I heard the shots."

Two things.  First, what reporters did Higgins say this to?  Do you have footage of it?  I bet you don't.  This supposed claim by Higgins came from a very questionable researcher decades later.

Second, there was no moment in any of the broadcasts where the announcer looks at a clock and notes the time as being 1:06.  Simply didn't happen.

Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was searching the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, when a rifle was discovered. Craig wrote, “… At that exact moment an unknown Dallas police officer came running up the stairs and advised Capt. Fritz that a Dallas policeman had been shot in the Oak Cliff area. I instinctively looked at my watch. The time was 1:06 PM."

Good grief.

In 1968, during an interview (along with Penn Jones) with the L.A. Free Press, Roger Craig was asked about the Tippit shooting.  Craig told the interviewer that the shooting occurred at 1:45.

Jones immediately corrected Craig, informing him that the shooting occurred around 1:15.  Craig responded with "Oh?  Is that right? Okay." (or words to that effect, I'm going by memory)

The bottom line is, in 1968, Craig obviously had no idea what time the Tippit shooting occurred.

Then, in the early 70's when writing his manuscript, Craig tells the story of being in Dealey Plaza and hearing of the shooting of the police officer in Oak Cliff.  In the scenario, Craig supposedly looks at his watch and notes that it said the time was 1:06.

Does anyone really believe that Craig heard of the shooting over in Oak Cliff, looked down at his watch and noted that the time was 1:06.... And then less than five years later, he is being interviewed and easily accepts the correction that the time of the shooting occurred at 1:15, only to then tell the story a few years later (early '70s) that his watch said it was 1:06 when he heard of the shooting?

In the 1968 interview with the LA Free Press, it is painfully obvious that Craig had no idea what time the Tippit shooting occurred.  So then why would he say the shooting happened at 1:06 when he was writing his "manuscript" in the early '70s?  Answer?  Because he was trying to sell the manuscript.

T.F. Bowley was driving west on 10th Street and arrived a few minutes after the shooting. He looked at his watch--the time was 1:10 PM.  An original DPD police transcript, found in the National Archives, lists the time of Bowley's call  to the police as 1:10 PM.  The original DPD transcript (CE 705) shows the report of Tippit's murder by Bowley at 1:10 PM. The FBI transcript, (CE 1974) prepared in August, 1964, lists the reporting time of Tippit's murder by Bowley at 1:19 PM--nine minutes later.

Listen to the tapes and follow the timestamps given by the dispatcher.  The dispatcher never says 1:10.  The 1:10 notation on the document is old hat and has been debunked many years ago.

6 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

More WC apologist magic:

Doctors unsuccessfully tried to resuscitate J.D. Tippit at the hospital, and finally pronounced him dead at 1:15 PM. Three minutes later, an ambulance was dispatched to go to the crime scene and pick up a dead Tippit... who was then taken to the hospital.

 

Had the WC accepted the time of shooting that all the evidence indicated -- 1:06 PM -- the above inconsistency among others would not have occurred. But the problem with that is that Oswald could not have arrived in time to shoot Tippit st 1:06 PM.

 

All of the evidence indicates that the Tippit shooting occurred at 1:06?  Laughable.

The Dallas Police tape tells you when the shooting occurred and it was much later than 1:06.

37 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

What's that got to do with the way the others were dressed ? 

1. Perry was dark skinned ( 7 H 168 ) and was wearing a brown sport coat, no tie. ( 7 H 233 )

2. Clark had blond hair, blue eyes ( 7 H 168 ) and was wearing a white short-sleeved shirt with a red vest. ( 7 H 236 )

3. Ables was short, heavy and was wearing a grey woolen sweater. ( 7 H 240 )

What witness described Tippit's killer as any of the above three ?

"What's that got to do with the way the others were dressed ?"

Your graphic asks "Can you pick the suspect"?  Your graphic shows Oswald in a beat up plain white T-shirt, no doubt in an attempt to misrepresent what Oswald was wearing versus what the fillers were wearing.  Oswald was wearing his brown shirt for all of the Friday lineups.  You couldn't find a photo of Oswald in the brown shirt?  Really?

The bottom line... the official conclusion is no evidence of any conspiracy.

An article by Fred Litwin in which he posts the letter from the Department of Justice...

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/paul-bleau-chokes-part-5?fbclid=IwAR3PLD95zILJ3RZbEUhVOkqQbTm3klsvW0NSRryeq2DhyOmGhyz4pC0zmRw_aem_AfYMEpGy0wr_OZs6_nXORupgl0chd1LEyvBEifIXaQ2zU5j8LvWjen88ulfyQ5hWaN526wlcyo-kZ7tdeq2DS94_

@Pat Speer

On 4/8/2024 at 5:21 AM, Gil Jesus said:

Absolutely not. 

The correct way:

"I'm going to show you a lineup of (whatever number) men. If you DON'T see the man who shot the police officer, tell me he's not there. If you DO see him, tell me the number he's standing under."

You don't tell the witness that the suspect is in the lineup. You let the witness tell YOU he's in the lineup.

The absence of an attorney gave police the freedom to conduct lineups that were completely unfair, using fillers that did not match the witnesses descriptions or even resembled Oswald. Had a lawyer been present, he never would have allowed such lineups. 

The Dallas Police never produced photographs of the the fillers as they were dressed for the first two lineups. This is how the fillers were dressed.

The Police instead produced photos of the "fillers" in clothes they were not wearing at the time of the lineups.

https://gil-jesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/wc-lineups.jpg

The Police did not produce photographs of the "fillers" in lineups 3 and 4.

This deceptive move by the Police, to suppress what the "fillers" looked like at the time of the lineups, allowed the Commission to conclude in its Report that, "The Dallas Police furnished the Commission with photographs of the men who appeared in the lineups with Oswald and the Commission has inquired into the general lineup procedures used by the Dallas police as well as the specific procedures in the lineups involving Oswald. The Commission is satisfied that the lineups were conducted fairly." ( Report, Chapter 4, pg. 169 )

Had Oswald been convicted, the conduct of these lineups would have been grounds for an appeal. These lineups would have been enough to have his conviction overturned and granted a new trial. And any witness identifications made from these lineups would have been inadmissable at re-trial.

 

Misleading.

Oswald was wearing his brown shirt for the Friday lineups.

Therefore, why use the mugshot photo of Oswald only in the white T-shirt?

9 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

The Warren Commission's conclusions are not the official final word on the Kennedy Assassination.

Why then do you so passionately support them ?

Perhaps you're completely unaware that the HSCA concluded that Kennedy was assassinated as part of a "probable" conspiracy and then recommended that the Department of Justice look into the matter further.

The DOJ did just that and concluded that there was no evidence of any conspiracy.

Learn the case, please.

16 hours ago, Robert Morrow said:

The police tapes say nothing about the exact time Tippit got shot.

Helen Markham did in fact identify Oswald in the police line up... AFTER SHE SAW A PICTURE OF HIM ON TV: Helen Markham (spartacus-educational.com)

 

T.F. Bowley tells us what he did upon arriving on the scene, actions which would take 60 to 90 seconds at the most.  Bowley tells us he arrived, got out of his car, walked over to the body and saw there was nothing he could do for the officer, then went over and grabbed the mic from Benavides to report the shooting.

Bowley reported the shooting at 1:17.

As for Markham, she most certainly did NOT see a picture of Oswald on television before attending the lineup.  Maybe go read her testimony?

Greg Doudna said:

"...and a few years later Chapman in National Enquirer quoted Jimmy Burt as saying categorically that Oswald was not the killer."

Just a side note, Greg...

I have the audio of the entire interview between Chapman and Burt.

Nowhere in the interview does Burt say that the killer was NOT Oswald.

@Greg Doudna

18 minutes ago, Mark Ulrik said:

Exactly. And the only reason to ask participants in a lineup about anything is (when relevant) to allow the witness to hear their speaking voices. There is no obligation to answer truthfully.

You're using wayyyyyy too much common sense, Mark.

1 hour ago, Robert Morrow said:

Bill Brown makes a good point.

But I still think Tippit was murdered at 1:06 to 1:07PM based on Helen Markham's WC testimonry. Markham was cocksure about this because she left her apartment laundry room at 1:04PM and the FBI timed her walk to 10th and Patten to be about 2-3 minutes.

Markham, of course, was going to catch her 1:12PM bus because you always go a bit early to catch your bus if you are going to work as a waitress somewhere.

 

This means you're choosing to believe Markham over the accuracy of the police tapes.

By the way, Markham was also "cocksure" that Oswald was the man she saw shoot Tippit.  So, what now?