Steven Gaal

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Morales a most powerful man........??

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AGENTS GO ON RECORD:

JFK DID NOT ORDER SECRET SERVICE OFF DALLAS LIMOUSINE

KENNEDY NEVER ORDERED SECURITY STAND-DOWN OR BUBBLE-TOP REMOVAL

PRESIDENTIAL SECURITY MYSTERIOUSLY "STRIPPED" AND OTHERWISE
COMPROMISED FOR FATAL MOTORCADE

SECRET SERVICE IGNORING OF ADVANCE WARNING OF THREATS DOCUMENTED

"HISTORY" CORRECTED 35 YEARS LATER BY PRIMARY SOURCES

by Vincent M. Palamara

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(EDITOR'S NOTE: The following news story, by historian and researcher Vincent M. Palamara, sets the record straight regarding the long-repeated falsehood that President John F. Kennedy was somehow responsible for his own assassination because he ordered Secret Service agents off his open car and otherwise fatally undermined the performance of his bodyguards. Palamara, widely recognized as the preeminent expert on Secret Service personnel and procedures during the Kennedy era, has secured the first on-the-record comments from agents in the presidential detail of November 22, 1963 and other primary sources.)

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These mutually corroborating stories shed important new light on the conspiracy to murder the president, and put an end to groundless, designed-to-mislead speculation that has plagued the assassination investigation from its inception and otherwise contributed to the obstruction of justice. C.R.D.)

The following former Secret Service agents told me in on-the-record interviews, and in no uncertain terms, that JFK never ordered the agents off the rear of his car, was not difficult to protect and was in fact extremely cooperative with the Secret Service:

• Gerald A. Behn (chief of JFK's detail),

• Floyd M. Boring (#2 JFK detail agent),

• Arthur L. Godfrey (one of three shift leaders on the Texas trip),

• Donald J. Lawton (on the Dallas JFK detail),

• Rufus W. Youngblood (#2 agent on Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson's detail),

• Samuel A. Kinney (driver of the Secret Service follow-up car in Dallas),

• Robert I. Bouck (head of the Protective Research Section),

• Robert Lilley (a member of JFK's detail from election night until one month before Dallas),

• Maurice G. Martineau (agent in charge of the Chicago office) and

• John Norris (a member of the Uniformed Division)

Agents off the rear of limo

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Representative responses by former Secret Service agents and others to my question, "Did JFK ever 'order agents around', including having them dismount the rear area of the limousine?" were as follows:

Kinney (interviewed on 10/19/92, 3/5/94, 4/15/94) -- "Absolutely, positively no. He (JFK) had nothing to do with that, no, never ... President Kennedy was one of the easiest presidents to protect ... ninety nine percent of the agents would agree."

Lilley (interviewed 9/27/92, 9/21/93, 6/7/96) -- "I'm sure he did not. He was very cooperative with us once he became president. Basically, (his attitude was) 'whatever you guys want is the way it will be.'"

Godfrey (interviewed 5/30/96, 6/7/96; correspondence 11/24/97) -- (JFK) never ordered us to do anything. He was a very nice man ... cooperative. He never asked me to have my shift leave the limo when we were working it."

Behn (interviewed three times on 9/27/92) -- "I don't remember Kennedy ever saying that he didn't want anybody on the back of his car. I think if you watch the newsreel pictures and whatnot, you'll find agents on there from time to time."

A photo from the Tampa Tribune of November 19, 1963 -- three days before the assassination -- clearly supports Behn's contention. It depicts agents Donald Lawton and Charles Zboril on the rear of JFK's limousine in both urban and suburban areas, during a politically significant, high-visibility presidential visit to Florida.

One of the earliest and arguably most influential (to this day) misrepresentation of JFK's relationship to the Secret Service, and in particular to agents on his various details, can be found in "Death of a President," by William Manchester. One passage in particular exemplifies the lengths to which "respected" historians such as Manchester have gone, knowingly or otherwise, to falsify the record.

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"Kennedy grew weary of seeing bodyguards roosting behind him every time he turned around, and in Tampa on November 18 (1963), just four days before his death, he dryly asked Agent Floyd Boring to 'keep those Ivy League charlatans off the back of the car.' Boring wasn't offended. There had been no animosity in the remark." (1988 Harper & Row/Perennial Library edition, pp. 37-38)

When asked to comment on the record about that portion of "Death of a President," Boring said that the statement attributed to him by Manchester is, to say the least, inaccurate. "He quotes me?" Boring asked incredulously. "I never told him (that JFK ordered agents off the limousine). (JFK) was a very nice man, never interfered with us at all." Indeed, Boring stated that he was not interviewed by Manchester-- a fact that is confirmed by the book's source notes.

Until publication of this article and its correction of the record by first-person sources, the Manchester-originating falsehoods, among others relating to the assassination in general and Secret Service in Dallas in particular, have been accepted and repeated as fact by a mainstream media bereft of alternative testimony.

The assessments of JFK as a "security-friendly" chief executive were confirmed during on-the-record interviews with JFK aide Dave Powers and White House photographer Cecil Stoughton (both in the Dallas motorcade), and with June Kellerman, widow of Roy H. Kellerman, the #3 agent on the JFK detail.

Removal of the bubble-top

Another controversy with direct bearing on the criminal investigation of the assassination relates to the origin of the order to remove the bubble-top from the presidential limousine. Kinney adamantly told me that he, and not the president, was solely responsible for the removal of the presidential limousine's clear roof on November 22, 1963. However, in testimony to the House Select Committee on Assassinations, agents Kellerman and Win Lawson spoke of their involvement in that critical decision.

Kinney passed away on July 21, 1997. This correspondent cannot be definitive regarding the number of individuals involved in the decision to remove the bubble-top. However, based upon thorough investigation of the issue, the strong possibility exists that Lawson, acting through Kellerman and/or Boring, either gave the order or was represented as having given it.

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Reduction of motorcycle outriders

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The frequently repeated story that JFK ordered a reduction in the presence of motorcycle outriders in the Dallas motorcade is in need of correction. Although presidential motorcades on all prior stops on the November, 1963 Texas trip normally included anywhere from three to six cyclists on each side of the JFK limousine (a fact confirmed by numerous press and official White House films and photographs), the plans for Dallas were altered by Secret Service officials to give JFK just four non-flanking outriders.

Thus the presidential limousine was opened to crossfire, and the perceptions of professionally trained eye- and ear-witnesses were eliminated from the scene of the crime. Former agents Kinney and Godfrey confirmed that JFK never gave direct or implicit instructions to remove motorcycles from security positions adjacent to his car. Further, films and photographs of prior Texas trip stops clearly show a heavy motorcycle outrider presence during motorcades, up to and including the Fort Worth motorcade of November 21, 1963.

The origin of the order to strip presidential security by reducing motorcycle-based security remains mysterious, and carries sinister implications.

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Security Stripping

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Could Dallas have been deemed a sufficiently non-threatening environment so as to justify a stripping of presidential security? Not according to on-the-record comments from former agents Kellerman and Abraham Bolden (to the Warren Commission and this correspondent, respectively). They stated that they were at a loss to explain or otherwise find justification for the at least three separate checks for threats and harmful subjects in Dallas conducted by the Protective Research Section of the Secret Service that produced negative results.

Given the city's history, including the 1963 attacks there against Adlai Stevenson, the acknowledged presence in Dallas of radical, violence-prone Right Wing groups and anti-Castro operatives, and the knowledge, commonly and officially held within the Secret Service and the Kennedy administration, of ongoing, non-location-specific threats against the president, those results were, in the opinion of interviewees, highly unusual.

Marty Underwood, Democratic National Committee advance man for the Dallas trip, told this correspondent that he was hearing all sorts of assassination rumors just 18 hours prior to the actual shooting. Underwood said that he conveyed this information to JFK, who told him not to worry. Former agent Kinney further stated that there was an assassination threat in Florida on November 18, 1963. Former agent Bouck said that he too was aware of the active pre-Dallas threats.

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Additional fatal flaws in presidential security
during the Dallas trip include:

MOTORCADE ROUTE -- The route of the presidential parade violated Secret Service protocol by involving turns of 90 and 120 degrees. During interviews with this correspondent, the route was strongly criticized by former DNC advance man Underwood and former uniformed Secret Service agent Norris. In addition, Jerry Behn, the # 1 agent in JFK's detail, told me that the Dallas route was changed from another, as yet unknown route -- a fact he offered, under oath and in executive session, to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. That testimony remains, as of the date of this publication, unpublished. Former agents Lawson and Kinney confirmed to me that alternate routes (two, according to Kinney) were available.

PUBLICATION OF MOTORCADE ROUTE -- Although Secret Service Chief James J. Rowley adamantly denied to the Warren Commission that his agency was responsible for the newspaper printing of the Dallas motorcade route, I have traced this critical decision to LBJ aide Bill Moyers, who in turn attributes it to "the agent in charge of the Dallas trip."

THE RYBKA TAPE -- An important discovery was made by this correspondent during review of video of the Dallas trip shot by the ABC television affiliate in that city. During the start of the fatal motorcade at Love Field, Secret Service agent Henry J. Rybka begins to jog alongside the presidential limousine. He is immediately called back by his shift leader and commander of the follow-up car detail, Emory P. Roberts.

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Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language: He throws up his arms several times before, during and after the follow-up car passes him. He was not being allowed to do his job -- and it was not JFK who was ordering the stand-down.

Despite the discovery by this correspondent of three reports to the contrary (two by Roberts) written on November 22, 1963, this newly discovered photographic evidence confirms that frustrated and vocal-in-his-objections Rybka did not enter the follow-up car and was left behind at the airport.

THE NON-PERFORMANCE OF AGENT ROBERTS -- The activities of Emory P. Roberts during as well as before the shooting are difficult to understand. As the first shots were fired, he recalled agent John D. Ready, who was attempting to run to the president's car. The initial explanation for this order -- the speed of and distance between the cars was too great for effective protective measures to be taken -- has been contradicted by photographic and eyewitness testimony.

And Kinney, the driver of the follow-up car who was seated beside Roberts, said that his shift leader, upon hearing what he later admitted he immediately knew to be a rifle shot, ordered his agents not to move.

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Thus, during the most critical seconds of the Dallas motorcade, John F. Kennedy was denied potentially life-saving protection as the result of a direct order given by a ranking member of the United States Secret Service.

During taped interviews and/or in signed correspondence, several agents and others stated for the record that they believe JFK was a victim of a conspiracy. These individuals include agents Kinney, Bolden, Martineau and Norris, and DNC advance man Underwood.

In addition, according to his widow and daughter, agent Kellerman "knew" that there was more to the assassination than has been officially acknowledged.

The suspect actions and inaction of Secret Service agents during the planning stage of the 1963 Texas trip, and in the Dallas motorcade on November 22, 1963, cry out for explanation.

Thanks to the courage of former Secret Service agents who told the truth for the record, defenders of the discredited Warren Commission theory of the assassination no longer can accuse JFK of complicity in his own murder. One fact remains clear: President Kennedy did not seal his own fate by ordering his guards to stand down.

That order originated elsewhere.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/florida-man-arrested-by-impatient-cop-as-credit-card-verification-stalls-at-nightclub/

When I think of SS in Dallas, I think of the following

• EVERYTHING IS PUSHED BACK IN THE "POTUS PARADE" thus opening up shooting lanes in DP.

1. Atomic Suitcase (not really pushed back for shooting lane ,however ,but survival of nuke war power was vital /delicate matter)
2. News/Photograhic people
3. motorcycles
4. agents to the sides of the Limo

Good stuff Steven. The files discovered at a Ruth Paine's house reveal something important. I see no reason to disbelieve the initial report that they were found. So either Oswald was keeping records, or the Paines. Someone was spying for someone. I used to think they were Oswald's, but agree that Ruth Paine is more likely. Once we accept that the shots that killed JfK came from somewhere other than the TSBD, and the bullets from a gun other than the MC, the Paines actions before and after become suspect. Mary Bancroft's close connections to both the Paines

Seven months earlier, Dulles was likely paying close attention to Operation Anthropoid: the assassination of Prague SS chief Reinhard Heydrich. That conspiracy had multiple similarities to the JFK assassination. They include: 1) a motorcade attack at a hairpin turn; 2) signals; 3) an open, virtually stopped vehicle; 4) two attacks, five seconds apart, the first inconclusive; and 5) "passers-by" directing the crowd in its confusion. And, as in Dallas, there were unanticipated mistakes in Prague.

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." Dulles' OSS colleague and mistress, Mary Bancroft, reported to Dulles that she had asked the question of Nazi intelligence official and Hitler assassination plotter Hans Bernd Gisevius: "Did Wolff kill Heydrich?"

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So Dulles was curious/knew about slow turn car assassination.

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Dulles had connections to all those Dallas people you mentioned Paul = not Morales. Looking at Ruth's philosopy she has a Globalist viewpoint much like SUSPECT # 1 Allen Dulles.

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THANKS PAUL FOR THE COMMENTS. sg

Part 5 = Dulles and a slow car turn assassination

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In any case, your case for a CIA plot to kill JFK is based only on political bias, and not on solid evidence. That's my final word on it.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo
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SUSPECT # 1 Allen Dulles.(Gaal,That's my final word on it.)
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The Paines,Volkmar Schmidt,Secret Service and George DeMorschildt are part of the Dulles nexus.
Belief that David Morales could manipulate the above is pure fantasy.
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(Dulles and a slow car turn assassination,Gaal)
THE GUN THAT DIDN'T SMOKE*

Copyright © 1994, 1997 by Walter F. Graf and Richard R. Bartholomew

Part Four

(posted in fair use)
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Two spies who were experts at keeping the biggest of government secrets were Warren Commissioner Allen Dulles and his CIA colleague, Richard Helms. Helms was the liaison between the CIA and the Warren Commission. Like his fellow OSS officers, William Colby and William Casey, Helms eventually succeeded Dulles as CIA director. Long before the Kennedy assassination, on June 6th, 1944, future JFK-assassination investigators Dulles and Helms learned that the biggest of secrets can be kept secure among the largest of groups. D-Day, the largest, most complex overt/covert operation ever known, is perhaps the best example of a successful, large conspiration. Over 5,000 ships landed 90,000 British, American and Canadian troops in Normandy. Around 20,000 more began landing silently by parachute and glider the night before. The planning had been under way since December, 1941. Yet it was a successful surprise attack. The exact time and place was known to, and kept completely secret by as many as fifty men. They struck an enemy weakened "under the combined weight of blockade, bombing, subversive activities, and propaganda."186

Dulles knew how to apply that example to smaller operations. Through events that preceded and followed D-Day, Dulles became something of an expert in the secrets, successes and failures of high-level assassination conspiracies. One of the worst intra-Allied conflicts of the war was conveniently resolved when Admiral Jean Darlan, the very anti-communist, pro-Nazi, key figure in Vichy France, was assassinated allegedly by a rightist. The plotters made sure the assassination would be blamed on someone who was apparently on the same side of the political spectrum as his victim. That is not the only similarity between Darlan's and JFK's assassinations. The conspiracy behind that December 24, 1942, assassination remains a mystery to this day. However, it is known that an OSS officer was in contact with the plotters and was believed to have supplied the weapon. The man who replaced Darlan, General Henri Giraud, was principally sponsored politically and financially in Western circles by Allen Dulles.

Seven months earlier, Dulles was likely paying close attention to Operation Anthropoid: the assassination of Prague SS chief Reinhard Heydrich. That conspiracy had multiple similarities to the JFK assassination. They include: 1) a motorcade attack at a hairpin turn; 2) signals; 3) an open, virtually stopped vehicle; 4) two attacks, five seconds apart, the first inconclusive; and 5) "passers-by" directing the crowd in its confusion. And, as in Dallas, there were unanticipated mistakes in Prague.

As Alan Burgess wrote in his 1960 book, Seven Men at Daybreak, "The vital operational point was Heydrich's open car had to slow up here to negotiate the near-hairpin corner, and for perhaps five seconds it would provide an easy slow-moving target." And a report from the Special Operations Executive branch of the British Secret Intelligence Service reads: "The special training in the UK was based on a plan that the attack on Heydrich should be made when he was traveling by car from where he lived to his office in Prague or to any known appointment and that it must be carried out at a corner where the car would have to slow down." It is a chilling realization that one or both of those two sources were available to Kennedy's assassins during their own planning.

In fact, the other Twentieth Century assassination conspiracies involving attacks on motor vehicles, all of which would have been of interest to Dulles, had stark similarities to the Heydrich and Kennedy assassinations: the two, same-day attempts on Archduke Ferdinand (June, 1914); the assassination of Dominican Republic President Rafael Trujillo (May, 1961); and the attempt on French President Charles de Gaulle (August, 1962). Of primary interest is the fact that these assassinations were successful when the vehicle was brought to a virtual halt and unsuccessful when it was accelerated. There was no exception to this rule. The lesson to be derived by security planners is that it is not a good idea to slow or stop the vehicle in the face of an assassin. The lesson to be derived by assassination planners, however, is the opposite.187 And Allen Dulles did have direct experience in the unsavory art assassination planning.

In his book, Heisenburg's War, Thomas Powers wrote about Werner Karl Heisenburg, Germany's top nuclear physicist. The OSS was nervous about Germany's atomic bomb research. Allen Dulles was the director of an OSS assassination plot against Heisenburg in the fall of 1944 -- using former major league baseball player Morris Berg as the designated assassin. **** (GAAL,Pash (operational assassin of JJA's) also assassinated WWII atomic scientists. Pash also had access to USA FAR RIGHT ,see part 4 above)**** It is in the context of this conspiracy that we read the only mention of OSS officer William Casey in Powers' book. Casey and Berg met to discuss that plot the night before Berg departed Britain for his abortive assassination mission in Germany. Casey, then involved in running agents into Germany, later became the CIA Director who was stricken with a seizure the day before he was to testify to the Senate about the Iran-Contra scandal. Finally, just months before directing the Heisenburg plot, Dulles had been involved in the 20th-of-July plot to assassinate Hitler. That attempt was a failure not because of the large number of conspirators, but because of an ineffective bomb. In fact, even in failure, some of its plotters and their secrets escaped detection.188

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Rumors existed that General Karl Wolff, head of the SS in Italy, was somehow behind Heydrich's murder. Wolff had the right connections and, like many of Heydrich's Nazi associates, was "in trouble." Dulles' OSS colleague and mistress, Mary Bancroft, reported to Dulles that she had asked the question of Nazi intelligence official and Hitler assassination plotter Hans Bernd Gisevius: "Did Wolff kill Heydrich?" Bancroft also revealed that while Dulles was negotiating the German mass surrender in Italy, Wolff had a friendly visit with him at his Zurich apartment. Given Bancroft's subtle, yet startling, revelations about Hans Gisevius and Ruth Paine (see below), was she trying to tell us something about a connection between Dulles, the Heydrich assassination and the JFK assassination? (Mary Bancroft, Autobiography of a Spy [New York: William Morrow, 1983] pp. 193, 289; hereafter cited as Bancroft 193, 289. Letters from Walter Graf to Richard Bartholomew, Jul. 13, and Aug. 2, 1993, and March 3, 1997.

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Dulles' informant within the Hitler assassination conspiracy was Hans Bernd Gisevius, one of its rare, high-level survivors. In later years, with substantial help from his friend Dulles, assassination plotter Gisevius traveled to Washington D.C., then to Texas where he became employed at Dresser Industries, the Dallas-based oil equipment company. Dulles and Gisevius were assisted in the Hitler plot by Dulles' wartime mistress, Mary Bancroft, who was Ruth Forbes Paine's close friend. Paine's son, Michael, became involved in the JFK assassination due largely to his 1963 housemate, Volkmar Schmidt. Oswald's CIA friend, George de Mohrenschildt, had introduced Oswald to Schmidt who, in turn, arranged for Oswald to meet Michael Paine and his wife, Ruth Hyde Paine. The latter Ruth Paine helped arrange Oswald's fateful employment at the TSBD. Before coming to the U.S. in the fall of 1961, Schmidt had lived in Germany. There, Schmidt had lived with and studied under another rare 20th-of-July-plot survivor, Wilhelm Kuetemeyer. From 1958 to 1967, master spy and assassination plotter Bancroft (by then the mistress of Life magazine publisher Henry Luce), "worked with JFK and RFK on campaigns and corresponded with them." Ms. Bancroft, 93, died in New York City on Jan. 10, 1997, having never been subpoenaed under ARCA (Bancroft 54, 128-31, 290. Leonard Mosley, Dulles [New York: Dial, 1978] pp. 247-48. Burton Hersh, The Old Boys: The American Elite and the Origins of the CIA [New York: Scribner's Sons, 1992] p. 367. Bruce Campbell Adamson, Oswald's Closest Friend: The George DeMohrenschildt Story, vol. I: "1,000 Points of Light (Public Remains in the Dark)" [unpublished manuscript, 1993 (Aptos, Calif.: self published, 1995)], p. 31; cited hereafter as Adamson, "1,000 Points of Light"; and The JFK Assassination Timeline Chart [Aptos, Calif.: self published, 1995] p. 80. Edward J. Epstein, Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald [New York: McGraw Hill, 1978] pp. 203-05, 213-14; hereafter cited as Epstein, Legend 203-05, 213-14. Gaeton Fonzi, The Last Investigation [New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 1993] p. 419; hereafter cited as Fonzi 419. "Obituaries," New York Times, Jan. 12, 1997, p. 31; "Passages," Assassination Chronicles, Spring 1997, p. 49.). See also Bartholomew citation in note 166 above. For a history of Dresser's board of directors, which included powerful, wealthy, anti-Kennedy men, see Darwin Payne, Initiative in Energy: Dresser Industries, Inc. 1880-1978 (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1979) pp. 386-89.

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Upon searching this (Ruth Paine's) house we found stacks of hand bills concerning "Cuba for Freedom" advertising, seeking publicity and support for Cuba. Also found was a set of metal file cabinets containing records that appeared to be names and activities of Cuban sympathizers. All of this evidence was confiscated and turned over to Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department and Secret Service Officers at the City Hall.

( BTW Ruth Paine stated Lee didnt live here)

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/walther1.htm

Later this find was later obfuscated by the WC ,which had as a member ,SUSPECT # 1 Allen Dulles.
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The hierarchy of the CIA would use patsies for protection in their murder of the POTUS.
The perfect murder is when you make another person think they killed someone and you really did the dirty deed.
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In Noel Twyman's Bloody Treason there was a interview with Gerry Patrick Hemming a self proclaimed 'singleton' for James Jesus Angleton.
One of the main points Hemming made was that there were a number of people who 'thought' they were involved in the assassination. Walker,JBS,local Dallas right wingers,et al could be compartmentalized in the periphery of the assassination so they , " 'thought' they were involved in the assassination".
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Lansdale visited 3 special forces bases in the summer of 1963. The hierarchy of the CIA would use the best shooters available. Shooters
from the special forces would be about the best. Most would refuse such a task but psychological/political expert Lansdale would be the perfect person to select those who would agree to the dirty deed.
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Barbara Lamonica, Coalition on Political Assassination's Conference (21st October, 1995)

I find the Paines the most interesting, yet least studied, of the people surrounding the assassination. After all, they were the people who were closest to Lee Harvey Oswald - just prior, and leading up to, November 22. And wittingly or unwittingly, they contributed to the subsequent condemnation of Oswald, and therefore to the success of the conspiracy and coverup.

Furthermore, there are two timeframes, being the spring and fall of 1963, when the lives of the Paines and Oswalds are especially intertwined, that coincide with some very significant events.

Ruth Paine first makes contact after she first met (Marina Oswald) on February 22 at a party arranged by Everett Glover, who was a friend of Michael Paine's and George DeMohrenschildt's. But she doesn't try to make contact with Marina until March 8, when she sends her a note. On March 20, she visits Marina. In between these two dates, on March 13, Oswald purchases, or orders, the rifle. On April 2 Ruth invites the Oswalds to dinner. On April 7, Ruth writes a note, asking Marina to come and live with her. She never sends this note, but she keeps it. On April 11 she visits Marina again. On April 20 there's a picnic with the Oswalds and Ruth Paine. And by the end of the month, Marina is staying with Ruth temporarily, while Lee goes to New Orleans to seek employment and try to find an apartment.

In the middle of this cluster of activity the Walker incident occurs on April 10. During the summer the Paines and Oswalds part company. They are reunited in the fall. Marina is again living with Ruth Paine. Now, Ruth and Michael have been separated. Michael has agreed to continue to support Ruth, naturally, and his children. But interestingly enough he has also agreed to contribute to the upkeep of Marina financially.

The Paines are significant in several ways. First they insured the continued separation of Lee and Marina, allowing Lee to live unencumbered, and with no witnesses to his activities or associates during the principal time leading up to the assassination. Secondly, they provided a storage space for evidence that would be used against Oswald. Almost everything that would convict him in the public mind, including the alleged murder weapon, came out of the Paine's garage. Also found in the garage, among other things, was the Walker photograph, the backyard photograph, the Klein's Sporting Goods tear-out order for the rifle, among other things... there was also some radical magazines.

One wonders why someone intending to commit a crime would allow such items to be stored in another's garage, instead of destroying the incriminating evidence. Michael Paine's testimony is used to confirm that Lee had a rifle, and indeed it had been stored in their garage - in retrospect, of course, because Michael Paine said he never realized it was a rifle... It's hard to believe that a man like Michael Paine, who had been in combat artillery in Korea, and then in the Army Reserves for six years, could not recognize the feel of a rifle. Especially since it belonged to someone who he considered a person who advocated violence.

I think maybe Michael Paine is lying here. He either knew it was a rifle, and is choosing to hide that fact, or maybe it wasn't a rifle at all... in either case he distances himself from the situation by saying he just didn't realize what was going on. And this is characteristic of the Paines all along - they try to distance themselves from Oswald.

Ruth's testimony pinpoints the time for placing the weapon in Lee's hands. She testified that on the Thursday night before the assassination Lee showed up unexpectedly at her house to visit her family. Now Lee Oswald's habit, if you will, was to visit his family on weekends, so he would usually be there on Friday nights... So during the course of the evening, Ruth comes in around o'clock, after dinner, she goes into the garage and finds that the light had been left on. Well she tells the Warren Commission that she would never, ever leave the light on. So therefore Lee Oswald must have been in the garage to retrieve some of his belongings. This allows the Warren Commission to infer that this was the moment that Oswald got his gun, in preparation for the assassination. But the only thing that this testimony really tells us for sure is that Ruth was in the garage.

I believe the Paines are significant persons in the lives of the Oswalds, and warrant further research. Although they probably did not participate in a plot to kill the president, and they might have downplayed their relationship with Oswald merely in an attempt to distance themselves from a tragic event, they are, I believe, nevertheless withholding evidence about Oswald. Robert Oswald himself claimed, right after the assassination, that he felt Michael Paine knew more about that event than he was revealing. I think we should take Robert Oswald's claim seriously, and look into the Paines further.

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James DiEugenio, review of Larry Hancock's Someone Would Have Talked (March, 2008)

Another interesting part of the book is how it deals with the experiences of the late Dallas detective Buddy Walthers. This is based on a rare manuscript about the man by author Eric Tagg. Walthers was part of at least three major evidentiary finds in Dallas. Through his wife, he discovered the meetings at the house on Harlendale Avenue by Alpha 66 in the fall of 1963. Second, he was with FBI agent Robert Barrett when he picked up what appears to be a bullet slug in the grass at Dealey Plaza. And third, something I was unaware of until the work of John Armstrong and is also in this book, Walthers was at the house of Ruth and Michael Paine when the Dallas Police searched it on Friday afternoon. Walthers told Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." (Hancock places this statement in his footnotes on p. 552.) This is absolutely startling of course since, combined with the work of Carol Hewett, Steve Jones, and Barbara La Monica, it essentially cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism. (Hancock notes how the Warren Commission and Wesley Liebeler forced Walthers to backtrack on this point and then made it disappear in the "Speculation and Rumors" part of the report.)

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Who kept these surveillance files ? Were the files Ruth's or Lee's ? When Lee visited did Lee spend hours in the garage ??

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To believe these were Lee's files is poor thinking at best. When the JFK files were relesed Ruth Paine was seen at NARA spending long hours taking notes. Said note taking was her habit from long practice as a domestic surveillance agent in the Cold War against communism.
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hidden government ? WAS GARY WEBB SUICIDED TO KILL NEW BOOK?

Most of it has been already said. If former members come back it would add some life here.

I agree with the idea that at least some banished posters should be allowed to join this forum again. In fact, I think it would be a nice gesture to start over with a clean slate. In other words, let anyone rejoin that wants to.

Many of those missing voices would certainly provide for some lively debates.

I think it would be a nice gesture to start over with a clean slate.

Declare a amnesty.

Many of those missing voices would certainly provide for some lively debates.

Agree.

A forum is its members,and while some may have had a big ego.If I knew as much as them,perhaps I would have a big ego.But they certainly brought lively debate to the table.More members equals more interaction.

We have lots of knowledgeable members,authors etc,but I expect they would rather debate with someone who know,s what they are on about.I am a rookie,late starter and freely admit it.But I learn a lot from good members who have a lot to share.

Yes, then we can all start insulting each other again. LOL

--Tommy

No need to insult for Paul Trejo has 'solved' the JFK assasination.

James DiEugenio, review of Larry Hancock's Someone Would Have Talked (March, 2008)

Another interesting part of the book is how it deals with the experiences of the late Dallas detective Buddy Walthers. This is based on a rare manuscript about the man by author Eric Tagg. Walthers was part of at least three major evidentiary finds in Dallas. Through his wife, he discovered the meetings at the house on Harlendale Avenue by Alpha 66 in the fall of 1963. Second, he was with FBI agent Robert Barrett when he picked up what appears to be a bullet slug in the grass at Dealey Plaza. And third, something I was unaware of until the work of John Armstrong and is also in this book, Walthers was at the house of Ruth and Michael Paine when the Dallas Police searched it on Friday afternoon. Walthers told Tagg that they "found six or seven metal filing cabinets full of letters, maps, records and index cards with names of pro-Castro sympathizers." (Hancock places this statement in his footnotes on p. 552.) This is absolutely startling of course since, combined with the work of Carol Hewett, Steve Jones, and Barbara La Monica, it essentially cinches the case that the Paines were domestic surveillance agents in the Cold War against communism. (Hancock notes how the Warren Commission and Wesley Liebeler forced Walthers to backtrack on this point and then made it disappear in the "Speculation and Rumors" part of the report.)

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Who kept these surveillance files ? Were the files Ruth's or Lee's ? When Lee visited did Lee spend hours in the garage ??

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To believe these were Lee's files is poor thinking at best. When the JFK files were relesed Ruth Paine was seen at NARA spending long hours taking notes. Said note taking was her habit from long practice as a domestic surveillance agent in the Cold War against communism.

Paul, I would beg to differ on the Kerry Hearings. I've read the hearings material in great detail as well as the responses that it forced out of various government agencies. Just on the aircraft/drug carrier topic along it made a very solid case for drug running not only by the Contras but an acceptance of it by North and company. As a matter of fact, the committees work laid the groundwork for a later admission by the CIA's own Inspector General of a deal between CIA and Justice authorizing it. Just because that happened a decade later and the media didn't cover it and nobody else has written about it does not mean that the original investigation didn't develop some solid information - its one of the few instances we have of actual Congressional oversight working to at least some extent.

I cover all of that in "Shadow Warfare" but my impression is that hard research has become way too dull and books like that get little attention beside the sort of material in Sheehan's story's. Its easy enough to write that sort of material - having studied UFO's for over 30 years I'm pretty familiar with that subject. I should probably keep my mouth shut on this but I'm increasingly frustrated by the extent to which actual historical research has now devolved into lots of stories that simply "ring true". No offense intended, now that I have that off my chest I probably had better just go off and play in my own little ball park...

I recall that there were reports of redactions concerning BCCI and MI6 in Kerry hearings.

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Gulag: 'Protection money' common for inmate families (click link)

Integrity of Referendum Vote Must Be Transparent

Tuesday, 07 October 2014 23:25

By Mark McNaught

I’m not one that easily gives in to conspiracy theories, but there are too many questions regarding the validity of the ‘no’ vote for it to be accepted at face value.

While this article goes into the allegations with more forensic accuracy than I will, the integrity of the vote and the process is paramount to Scots accepting their status within the UK, especially in light of the implosion of the promises made before the vote, going back to war in Iraq, and announcing fracking in Scotland’s central belt immediately after the vote.

There have been the YouTube videos which have been making the rounds, which may or may not show some form of vote tampering. There is also the issue of the thousands of ballots which did not have bar codes on the back as they were required to, therefore may have been automatically rejected, plastic bags found with ‘yes’ votes in them, and testimony of suspicious activity by volunteers.

While these allegations are disturbing in themselves, what could not be seen leaves plenty of scope for electoral tampering.

I was a monitor at the Glasgow count at the Emirates Arena, and can only speak for what I observed. The area over which the counting tables were spread was needlessly large. The same operation could have been conducted in 1/3 of the space and it would have been easier to see what was happening.

I walked around looking over the shoulders of those marking the counting, and saw a clear majority for ‘yes’, at least 60-40 in favour. I spoke to someone who was tabulating the results with a laptop, and his results were similar. The ‘official’ results had ‘yes’ winning Glasgow by 53.5-46.5.

We were allowed to observe the counting of the ballots, but we had no idea what happened before or after the counting, as it was off limits to observers. Volunteers were allowed to count, and observers could monitor them, but the rest of the process was completely opaque.

Therefore, what happened to the ballot boxes after they left the voting stations and were taken to the counting centres was unobservable. Also, how they arranged the ballots once they were counted and bundled was off limits to observers as well.

There is also the issue of the postal votes, which according to a 2008 report from the Council of Europe is ‘childishly simple’ to manipulate.

While it is possible that the entire process was above board and legitimate, Scots need to be assured of its legitimacy if they are accept the result as their collective will. While Elections Scotland can credibly maintain that the counting process was monitored and above board, everything depends on what they were actually counting. Were all ballots without a barcode automatically rejected? Were boxes tampered with beforehand? Were no votes simply fabricated? What safeguards were in place before the count to assure the integrity of the vote, and were they rigidly enforced?

I e-mailed the OSCE to ask if there was any way that they could evaluate the procedure, but they can only monitor referendums and elections upon the invitation of the member state, ie the UK. It is not within their institutional scope to evaluate the procedure after the fact. I e-mailed the Venice Commission at the Council of Europe, and they issued a similar answer.

So what institution can Scots count on to assure that there was not industrial-scale fraud, and that the vote was not rigged? Reading the Electoral Commission and Elections Scotland websites, it is not clear who would have the authority to overturn the results and order a revote if fraud was proven to have occurred.

That leaves you, the Scottish public, to demand of your MPs and MSPs that there be a thorough independent investigation into exactly how the entire process of the referendum vote was conducted, preferably by impartial foreign observers. Even though a recount is illegal (still can’t wrap my head around that), it would be useless if the integrity of all the ballots is tainted.

If large-scale electoral fraud is shown, there should be a re-vote, organised and supervised by the OSCE and other impartial institutions. UK institutions could no longer be trusted.

I really hope my suspicions are ill-founded, and that the collective will of the Scottish people was truly to stay within the UK. However, if the vote was rigged, it would constitute an injustice of epic proportions, and show that the UK is not a democratic country.

It would correspond to what I thought throughout this campaign. Of course Scots would vote to become independent, who wouldn’t? However, Westminster will do whatever it takes to keep the cash cow from bolting the barn. There was never an ‘official’ poll which showed the ‘yes’ vote winning, despite the results of canvassers who showed a very strong ‘yes’ lead. The BBC and the mainstream media never countenanced a ‘yes’ vote, feeding the narrative that Scots would never vote for independence. The results of the referendum would have to be engineered to stay close to the polling, lest the credibility of the entire PR/polling industry and mainstream media be obliterated.

The British state could not have had the largest empire the world has ever seen without employing monumental lies and mass manipulation. I wouldn’t put anything past Westminster to hold on to its final crown jewel. Everything must be done to assure Scots that is truly their collective will to remain within it.

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