Robin Unger Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) QUOTE: The bombshell turned into a marshmallow. No not a marshmallow, just clarification of what both i and Sean have said we see in the Bell frames. Thanks for helping sean and thanks for the great gif's you have provided. They are an exellent learning tool. Cheers Robin. Edited July 20, 2007 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Jack,The Altgen's/right side version looks like something I would build. Bad cut and paste job Openings next to the yellow dot at right, are not correct. thanks chris Thanks, Chris. My comment is that IF my interpretation of the shadows is correct, and the Wiegman frame is genuine, then ALTGENS 8 IS PROVED TO BE FAKE, since the same instant in time cannot have different shadows. Am I right? Jack I think it is a perspective problem. Altgens shooting from the left, Wiegman shooting from the right. The concrete pillars behind Mrs Hester look similar but are two different pillars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Did you know that researchers have made great efforts to locate the Hesterswithout success? One wealthy researcher even resorted to a private eye. For all practical purposes, the Hesters have vanished. Jack I think Charles Hester has been dead for a long time and that might explain why it has been so hard to find him. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 If you are in agreement that the 2 previous animations are the same point in time, let's proceedThis is from the Bell movie, also. I lightened the column area in the background and stabilized it. When the red box comes up, watch who's in it, then take a look at who is still leaning over Mrs.Hester. (red arrow) You might want to compare that red box area movement to Mr.Hester in the previous animation. In other words, Mr.Hester is in two places at one time. Film has been altered, that's why the original is so dark back there. cheers chris I'd email Gary Mack and ask him if this is correct, but I think the guy in the box is Hester as he got up and went to the colonnade windows as seen in the Wiegman film. The dark spot seen over Mrs. Hester ... I suspect that to just be a shadow that doesn't seem to be moving, thus I think this particular Gif is not in sync with the other two. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miles Scull Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 I think it is a perspective problem.Altgens shooting from the left, Wiegman shooting from the right. The concrete pillars behind Mrs Hester look similar but are two different pillars. Chris, Robin, Bernice et al., Pardon off topic, but please advise: Is the running man in this Bell (red arrow) the same man running in Dillard 3? Does anyone have a better copy of Dillard 3? Thanks Miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 After seeing Chris's clear Bell gif, of Sitzman making a left turn to head towards the pergola entrance, and Zapruder walking over towards the hester's area. I am now more convinced than ever, that Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder standing near the pedestal as they are starting to walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Did you know that researchers have made great efforts to locate the Hesterswithout success? One wealthy researcher even resorted to a private eye. For all practical purposes, the Hesters have vanished. Jack I think Charles Hester has been dead for a long time and that might explain why it has been so hard to find him. Bill ************* Mark Oakes tried to find Beatrice.. A neighbour had told him that Charles Hester died in 1967 and that Beatrice had remarried. She became Beatrice Green. Moved to Red Oak, a small town south of Dallas..but he could not find her.... B....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 After seeing Chris's clear Bell gif, of Sitzman making a left turn to head towards the pergola entrance, and Zapruder walking over towards the hester's area.I am now more convinced than ever, that Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder standing near the pedestal as they are starting to walk. The Paschall film shows Zapruder getting off the pedestal and starting that walk. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted July 21, 2007 Author Share Posted July 21, 2007 After seeing Chris's clear Bell gif, of Sitzman making a left turn to head towards the pergola entrance, and Zapruder walking over towards the hester's area.I am now more convinced than ever, that Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder standing near the pedestal as they are starting to walk. Robin, I'm not sure if Sean passed this one along to you, also. I stabilized the Paschall film. Sorry, the only version I have. Does this appear to support your conclusion? It seems as if Z appears out of the wall shadow and by this time , both are well apart. Also, since this is nonstop footage, shouldn't we see a trail of Zapruder leading directly from the shadow? chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 (edited) Robin,I'm not sure if Sean passed this one along to you, also. I stabilized the Paschall film. Sorry, the only version I have. Does this appear to support your conclusion? It seems as if Z appears out of the wall shadow and by this time , both are well apart. Also, since this is nonstop footage, shouldn't we see a trail of Zapruder leading directly from the shadow? chris Mark Oaskes had the best copy print I have seen to date and it showed Zapruder just hitting the ground where he immediately started walking away. Bill Edited July 21, 2007 by Bill Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 After seeing Chris's clear Bell gif, of Sitzman making a left turn to head towards the pergola entrance, and Zapruder walking over towards the hester's area.I am now more convinced than ever, that Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder standing near the pedestal as they are starting to walk. Robin...I have asked Bernice to post my latest study which I think will change your mind about the authenticity of Altgens 8. After about an hour of looking at light and shadow, I compared the same area in Wiegman and Altgens...and ONE AREA POPPED OUT IN SUNLIGHT THAT IS SHADOWED IN WIEGMAN. I think this is indisputable. Bernice.... Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 After seeing Chris's clear Bell gif, of Sitzman making a left turn to head towards the pergola entrance, and Zapruder walking over towards the hester's area.I am now more convinced than ever, that Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder standing near the pedestal as they are starting to walk. Robin...I have asked Bernice to post my latest study which I think will change your mind about the authenticity of Altgens 8. After about an hour of looking at light and shadow, I compared the same area in Wiegman and Altgens...and ONE AREA POPPED OUT IN SUNLIGHT THAT IS SHADOWED IN WIEGMAN. I think this is indisputable. Bernice.... Jack Jack, The matching parts of the colonnade are marked in red. Two views from different angles - you picked the wrong one is why they do not match. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 Robin...I have asked Bernice to post my latest study which I think will change your mind about the authenticity of Altgens 8. After about an hour of looking at light and shadow, I compared the same area in Wiegman and Altgens...and ONE AREA POPPED OUT IN SUNLIGHT THAT IS SHADOWED IN WIEGMAN. I think this is indisputable. Bernice.... Jack.. Here ..Jack..... B.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 After seeing Chris's clear Bell gif, of Sitzman making a left turn to head towards the pergola entrance, and Zapruder walking over towards the hester's area.I am now more convinced than ever, that Altgens 8 shows Sitzman and Zapruder standing near the pedestal as they are starting to walk. Robin...I have asked Bernice to post my latest study which I think will change your mind about the authenticity of Altgens 8. After about an hour of looking at light and shadow, I compared the same area in Wiegman and Altgens...and ONE AREA POPPED OUT IN SUNLIGHT THAT IS SHADOWED IN WIEGMAN. I think this is indisputable. Bernice.... Jack Jack, The matching parts of the colonnade are marked in red. Two views from different angles - you picked the wrong one is why they do not match. Bill WRONG. see new definitive study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 WRONG. see new definitive study. Jack, The first two columns are in shade - the third is in sunlight in every assassination image showing the colonnade. You are simply misreading the angles at which these views were photographed at and this is why you are the only one in 44 years who has made such a claim. If you think otherwise and really feel that you have something solid here, then contact any tabloid and see how far they will run with the story! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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