Jack White Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 In the doorway directly behind Zapruder, Bernice lightened Nix frames and found a man with what appears to be a tripod and a large 16mm movie camera! More to come. Bernice will post my study of her find below. Great work, Bernice!!!!!!!!!!! Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) Short explanation first..... The Nix frame that I have, I have had for some time, I am sorry I do not know where or from whom it came from...originally....I have been searching in an old folder of photos..trying to find more information.. The lines were there, I have been puttering with it, and them for some time, and lightened as best I could to see if it was a man..enlarging an well just studying.. I really have no idea, and only present this with other's encouragement..and I have also been trying to find him in more recent frames of the Nix film...You will note Zapruder and Sitzman,are on the pedestal as, I see it, appearing as a blob.... The first photo comp.is what Jack has sent to me, the others are a couple of what I posted earlier this evening on the JFK Research Rich's Forum...that Jack saw...and contacted me....FWIW.... B... Edited August 24, 2007 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 In the doorway directly behind Zapruder, Bernice lightened Nix frames andfound a man with what appears to be a tripod and a large 16mm movie camera! More to come. Bernice will post my study of her find below. Great work, Bernice!!!!!!!!!!! Jack A select few have long said they had been shown portions of a film that seemed to have been filmed from very near the Z position, but showing things different than in the Z film.....could this be the cameraman [i'd guess MI]. Can't wait to see this image......great work! Can you elaborate on what different things the other film (x-film?) showed Peter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Healy Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hi Bernice, I remember Bill Miller refering to the same "person" back in a post around '02 on Lancer, he thought it was a man running. I would guess he hasn't mentioned him since because he has seen better images from Nix & it's obvious there's no one there. The area you are pointing to is the inside of one of the columns, it's in deep shadow, if you have a poor quality frame of that scene, one might easilly mistake the shadow for a person. The image in the link above comes from Groden's DVD. I'd be more than happy to capture other untouched frames if they can help. As for what Jack said he sees that shadow consisting of, I just wish I had some of what he's on. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) Hi Bernice,... As for what Jack said he sees that shadow consisting of, I just wish I had some of what he's on. Alan I'm glad I'm not partaking of whatever you're on Alan 'cause I can see a form that could be a person with a camera and tripod. It definitely warrants further scrutiny. Especially given the fact that some have stated they've seen a second film of the assassination. Jack, I don't know cameras. Is it likely that an average person would have a 16mm in 1963, or is that a camera that a pro was more likely to have? Edited August 24, 2007 by Myra Bronstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Healy Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hi Bernice,... As for what Jack said he sees that shadow consisting of, I just wish I had some of what he's on. Alan I'm glad I'm not partaking of whatever you're on Alan 'cause I can see a form that could be a person with a camera and tripod. It definitely warrants further scrutiny. Especially given the fact that some have stated they've seen a second film of the assassination. Jack, I don't know cameras. Is it likely that an average person would have a 16mm in 1963, or is that a camera that a pro was more likely to have? Myra, did you clik the thumbnail in my post to see a superior frame from Nix that shows nothing there? Maybe there is another Nix film too? One shows a camerman the other does not. As for the shadow itself, to me it's a old man wearing a beret with a long white beard on a skateboard. How can he be filming if he's on a skateboard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kutzer Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 "Quite detailed description of 'other film' described on JFK Research Forum thread. Can someone get permission to post parts of that here?" yes.....please do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myra Bronstein Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Hi Bernice,... As for what Jack said he sees that shadow consisting of, I just wish I had some of what he's on. Alan I'm glad I'm not partaking of whatever you're on Alan 'cause I can see a form that could be a person with a camera and tripod. It definitely warrants further scrutiny. Especially given the fact that some have stated they've seen a second film of the assassination. Jack, I don't know cameras. Is it likely that an average person would have a 16mm in 1963, or is that a camera that a pro was more likely to have? Myra, did you clik the thumbnail in my post to see a superior frame from Nix that shows nothing there? Maybe there is another Nix film too? One shows a camerman the other does not. As for the shadow itself, to me it's a old man wearing a beret with a long white beard on a skateboard. How can he be filming if he's on a skateboard? No I didn't notice that Alan. I'll check it out. So, you think ZZ Top may have been there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 LOL even before seeing Alan’s post my impression was “indistinguishable blob, Rorschach test Photo analyst?, Yeah right” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted August 24, 2007 Author Share Posted August 24, 2007 False alarm...maybe. I have just spent an hour looking at MY NIX COPY FRAME BY FRAME and there is NO frame that even bears the slightest resemblance to the frame which Bernice found in her files. This raises two possibilites: 1. Bernice's frame came from different Nix copy than is available from Groden. 2. Someone doctored a frame to insert a "person" in a single frame and planted it on the internet at some time in the past, where it was accepted as genuine. By the way...restudying the Nix frames shows that the figure is not in the doorway, but in the first opening north of the pergola, but directly beyond Zapruder from Nix's location. False alarm...or mystery? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Quite detailed description of 'other film' described on JFK Research Forum thread. Can someone get permission to post parts of that here? The DellaRosa Report http://books.google.com/books?id=_YAWJka6j...Wv2kk#PPA463,M1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kutzer Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) thank you, Mr. Hogan. Edited August 24, 2007 by Tom Kutzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 False alarm...maybe.I have just spent an hour looking at MY NIX COPY FRAME BY FRAME and there is NO frame that even bears the slightest resemblance to the frame which Bernice found in her files. This raises two possibilites: 1. Bernice's frame came from different Nix copy than is available from Groden. 2. Someone doctored a frame to insert a "person" in a single frame and planted it on the internet at some time in the past, where it was accepted as genuine. By the way...restudying the Nix frames shows that the figure is not in the doorway, but in the first opening north of the pergola, but directly beyond Zapruder from Nix's location. False alarm...or mystery? Jack Groden's best print of the Nix film shows no one there in any of the frames. Shade and pixels caused the one frame to resemble someone. I posted that image many years ago on the JFK Research Forum while asking if it could be the guy Jean Hill saw running during the shooting, but I believe it was you, Jack, that mentioned it being an illusion and wasn't seen in other frames. The Bronson slide and film, nor the Betzner and Willis photos show anyone there either. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) Two different versions of Nix. One appears to match the version that Alan has supplied. Although someone might want to check the shape of that concrete column in question. Looks like its been widened abit. The animation: Please see animation in next post. chris P.S. Bernice, can you send me the unaltered version of what you have? Edited August 25, 2007 by Chris Davidson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Sorry about that previous unscaling job on the animation. This is a little more like it. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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