Robert Howard Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 No TITLE http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1 Readers are encouraged to formulate their own conclusions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 No TITLEhttp://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1 Readers are encouraged to formulate their own conclusions..... Wow, Robert. That's pretty impressive. Is it too late to give it to Jim Garrison? Have you checked the signature to Shaw's signature? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Is Clem Bertrand one of those circulating aliases, like Maurice Bishop and Alek Hidell? Can it be traced to any person or incident other than Clay Shaw's police booking and the Dean Andrews call? Edited May 3, 2009 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Is Clem Bertrand one of those circulating aliases, like Maurice Bishop and Alek Hidell? Can it be traced to any person or incident other than Clay Shaw's police booking and the Dean Andrews call? Well, there's a signature on the card, and that belongs to a person. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 (edited) Hi Bill : Garrison knew and had the Library card, info...as per Penn Jones.... see....and scroll down...Penn Jones : Baylor http://www3.baylor.edu/Library/BCPM/JFK/Jo...nnett-blake.htm Penn had him down as Clay & Clem.... Take care... B..... Edited May 4, 2009 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Is Clem Bertrand one of those circulating aliases, like Maurice Bishop and Alek Hidell? Can it be traced to any person or incident other than Clay Shaw's police booking and the Dean Andrews call? Well, there's a signature on the card, and that belongs to a person. BK There's a signature on an Alek Hidell card that Richard Case Nagell later suggested was made by him. Nagell insinuated that he used the Hidell alias along with Oswald at one time. (See Dick Russell.) So what if Shaw admitted, in a moment of weakness, to using a circulating alias, forgetting that it had been used by others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 (edited) Hi Bill :Garrison knew and had the Library card, info...as per Penn Jones.... see....and scroll down...Penn Jones : Baylor http://www3.baylor.edu/Library/BCPM/JFK/Jo...nnett-blake.htm Penn had him down as Clay & Clem.... Take care... B..... In the article The VIP Room Revisited Compelling Evidence or Dubious Forgery? by Joe G. Biles, this card is mentioned in some detail.... "In the controversy surrounding the 1969 trial of Clay Shaw, one of the most interesting but overlooked items of evidence was the allegation that Shaw, in the winter of 1966 (prior to questioning by the D.A.), signed the VIP book at Moisant Airport under his alleged alias--Clay Bertrand. To Garrison critics like Patricia Lambert and Dave Reitzes, the signature in that book is an obvious forgery and one of the more dubious areas of evidence delved into by Garrison and his staff. 1" followed by the footnote [1] The VIP room evidence was even largely written off by those in the Garrison camp until the work of William Davy in 1995 produced some interesting new twists on an old story. footnote #1 which states 1.If the feelings of Lambert and Reitzes are correct, the VIP room evidence bears similarity to another incident encountered during the Garrison probe--a library card under the name Clem Bertrand, with the business listed "International Trade Mart" and the home address given as 3100 Louisiana Avenue Parkway (two blocks or so from Ferrie's apartment). Garrison received it anonymously and wrote it off as a (bad) forgery. The signature was nothing like Shaw's and the address in question (at least presently) does not exist. It is likely someone meant to put Ferrie's 3330 address. While I am not privy to William Davy's 1995 research, Joan Mellen also delved into the Bertrand/Shaw signature at considerable length, and here is where it gets really complicated...I cannot write out detailed passages from AFTJ, but she mentions that Shaw did indeed write the signature "in a playful moment," and also states that the signature was confirmed by a handwriting expert as Shaw's.....The information contained regarding this event is detailed on pages 121-127 of the softcover edition of A Farewell to Justice.... All of this shows the very complexity of how problematic it is to determine true facts regarding very pivotal information regarding the assassination and related events in that a researcher in 2009 must not only get to the bottom of "what really happened in 1963" but is also saddled with dealing with a practical encyclopedia of information written in the intervening years that is in essence, a extended debate between the conspiracy versus non-conspiracy writers and researchers, which the latter is a truly nightmarish proposition. The former I can handle, the latter is a job for Superman... Edited May 4, 2009 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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