Doug Horne

[William Kelly]

Bill...I did NOT attack Doug Horne. Apparently he has assembled a massive amount

of good research! I do not know him personally nor have I heard any negative things

about him.

I did say that one should be wary of his (and all) works which exhibit any characteristics

of a limited hangout. In my opinion saying LBJ was not complicit in the plot appears

to be a limited hangout of some sort. There is massive evidence of LBJ involvement.

This does not mean that any such originates with him; he may have been FED certain

documents and evidence.

I have yet to read the book...only excerpts. I have formed no opinion since I have

not read the entire work yet. I hope that the work is all positive and has a great

impact.

Jack

I hear you Jack.

For those who are interested, here's the table of contents and what parts are in what volumes.

As Doug has announced, the books will be available at Amazon.com individually for $25 sometime in December, with the complete set available from Mary Ferrell for $100.

Many thanks to Rex Bradford for helping Doug get the book out, as the timing is everything.

BK

Inside the Assassinations Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK

By Douglas P. Horne

Chief Analyst for Military Records, Assassinations Records Review Board

Table of Contents

Volume 1

Preface: Why Do I Care?

Acknoweldgements

Part I: The ARRB Medical Witnesses

Introduction: Beginning My ARRB Journey p. 3

Prologue: The Culture of the ARRB p. 9

Chapter 1: Epiphanies p. 25

Chapter 2: The ARRB Medical Evidence Depositions and Unsworn Interviews p. 59

Chapter 3: The Autopsy Pathologists p. 69

Illustration Section (Details Below)

Chapter 4: Autopsy Photography (Part One) p. 131

Volume II

Chapter 4: Autopsy Photography (Part Two) p. 255

Chapter 5: The Autopsy X-Rays p. 389

Chapter 6: The Morticians p. 589

Chapter 7: A Short Trip to Texas p. 641

Volume III

Chapter 8: FBI Agents Sibert and O’Neill p 667

Chapter 9: The Dallas Doctors Depositions – A Government FUBAR of Major Proportions p. 741

Part II: Fraud in the Evidence – A Pattern of Deception

Chapter 10: Two Brain Examinations – Coverup Confirmed p. 777

Chapter 11: Three Autopsy Reports – A Botched Coverup p. 845

Chapter 12: The Autopsy Photographs and X-Rays Explained p. 883

Volume IV

Chapter 13: What Really Happened at the Bethesda Morgue (And in Dealey Plaza?) p.987

Chapter 14: The Zapruder Film Mystery p. 1185

Volume V

Part III: The Political Context of the Assassination

Chapter 15: The Setup – Planning the Texas Trip and the Dallas Motorcade p.1379

Chapter 16: Inconvenient Truths p. 1469

Epilogue p. 1777

Afterword p. 1797

About the Author p. 1805

Illustrations

The illustrations are located at the end of Chapter Three

[J. Raymond Carroll]

I hear you Jack.

I am not a moderator here, and I know next to nothing about computers or software, but I have managed to figure out the simple basics of how the forum software works. I think it would make life so much easier for everyone who reads the forum if members would cease and desist from reposting IN FULL the posts they are responding to.

If you want to address a particular point in someone's post All you have to do is

1. Hit the reply button

2. Delete everything except the text you wish to comment on

3. Make sure you do not delete A/ the FIRST LINE which shows the previous posters name etc. and B/ the final "quote" symbol

4. Then hit PREVIEW POST to make sure you haven't screwed up

Then add your own comments.

THere is also an even easier way to highlight something you wish to comment on. See the column of symbols beginning on the left with the b

(BOLD) symbol? ON that column, second from the right is a symbol that will say "wrap in quote tags" when you hold the cursor over it.

First left click the mouse and run the cursor over the the relevant text to highlight it, then click the "wrap in quote tags" symbol and voila:

I hear you Jack.

Class dismissed.

[EDIT IF you are in a big hurry or the above procedure is too cumbersome, then -- rather than reposting the previous post in its entirety -- simply DELETE EVERYTHING before typing your reply.]

Edited November 17, 2009 by J. Raymond Carroll

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Inside the Assassinations Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK

By Douglas P. Horne

Chief Analyst for Military Records, Assassinations Records Review Board

Table of Contents

Chapter 14: The Zapruder Film Mystery p. 1185

Based on his interview with Dick Russell, my advice to Doug is to leave out this chapter entirely.

By his own admission, it is highly speculative. As such, its inclusion could seriously undermine the credibility of the book.

Instead he could just publish it on the Mary Ferrell site as a speculative article.

After all, its not as though the book will be TOO SHORT if this chapter is omitted.

And its not as though the book will not be CONTROVERSIAL enough if this chapter is omitted.

Edited November 17, 2009 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Jack White]

Inside the Assassinations Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK

By Douglas P. Horne

Chief Analyst for Military Records, Assassinations Records Review Board

Table of Contents

Chapter 14: The Zapruder Film Mystery p. 1185

Based on his interview with Dick Russell, my advice to Doug is to leave out this chapter entirely.

By his own admission, it is highly speculative. As such, its inclusion could seriously undermine the credibility of the book.

Instead he could just publish it on the Mary Ferrell site as a speculative article.

After all, its not as though the book will be TOO SHORT if this chapter is omitted.

And its not as though the book will not be CONTROVERSIAL enough if this chapter is omitted.

There is nothing controversial about Zapruder film alteration. Only those who disbelieve

factual evidence.

Jack

[William Kelly]

Bill...I did NOT attack Doug Horne. Apparently he has assembled a massive amount

of good research! I do not know him personally nor have I heard any negative things

about him.

I did say that one should be wary of his (and all) works which exhibit any characteristics

of a limited hangout. In my opinion saying LBJ was not complicit in the plot appears

to be a limited hangout of some sort. There is massive evidence of LBJ involvement.

This does not mean that any such originates with him; he may have been FED certain

documents and evidence.

I have yet to read the book...only excerpts. I have formed no opinion since I have

not read the entire work yet. I hope that the work is all positive and has a great

impact.

Jack

Doug,

Who said he would have posted this himself if he could have, will respond to questions and accusations as soon as the book is available. And John should check Doug's membership and make sure he can post himself.

Doug Horne: ...Some of this stuff (the comments of people who have not read my book) is "just amazing."

Would you please point out to Jack White and anyone interested that I certainly do believe LBJ was complicit in the assassination---guilty as sin of foreknowledge and encouraging it---but that he was not the mastermind, the originator. He was a necessary enabler, and his cooperation was essential to its success. But I do not believe it originated with hiim, that's all.

My chapters 15 and 16 will make this all clear, as you well know.

I will undoubtedly be viewed---and scorned by the McAdams group, Posner, and Bugliosi, et. al.---as the promoter of one of the biggest conspiracy theories our there, NOT as someone promoting a modified, limited hangout. A 'modified, limited hangout' was what Robert Blakey and the HSCA report offered, not me.

Everyone should calm down and just wait to read the book, rather than trying to divine what is in it before it is for sale.

-Doug

And I agree with Doug, the Mafia did it stories that we are now hearing, compliments of the likes of Blakey and Company, is just part of the cover-story, and is as false as the Lone-Nut scenario. - BK

[David G. Healy]

...

Oh well, if Livingston is the best you have left, you are at a real dead end. BTW, exactly what are his credentials when it comes to photography davie?

you can start with Livingston extended interviews with Roland Zavada, and more to the point Harry had ALL the right questions.... something lone nut trolls (aka non-alteration wing-nuts) appear to fear. Why is that Craigster?

[Craig Lamson]

...

Oh well, if Livingston is the best you have left, you are at a real dead end. BTW, exactly what are his credentials when it comes to photography davie?

you can start with Livingston extended interviews with Roland Zavada, and more to the point Harry had ALL the right questions.... something lone nut trolls (aka non-alteration wing-nuts) appear to fear. Why is that Craigster?

So davie, Livingstone's LACK of photo/film creds got you in a panic? After all thats your war cry.."show us your film/photo creds". Now suddenly you crawl into a hole when asked a simple question...YOUR question...

Fear becomes you.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Craig Lamson

[William Kelly]

Bill...I did NOT attack Doug Horne. Apparently he has assembled a massive amount

of good research! I do not know him personally nor have I heard any negative things

about him.

I did say that one should be wary of his (and all) works which exhibit any characteristics

of a limited hangout. In my opinion saying LBJ was not complicit in the plot appears

to be a limited hangout of some sort. There is massive evidence of LBJ involvement.

This does not mean that any such originates with him; he may have been FED certain

documents and evidence.

I have yet to read the book...only excerpts. I have formed no opinion since I have

not read the entire work yet. I hope that the work is all positive and has a great

impact.

Jack

Doug,

Who said he would have posted this himself if he could have, will respond to questions and accusations as soon as the book is available. And John should check Doug's membership and make sure he can post himself.

Doug Horne: ...Some of this stuff (the comments of people who have not read my book) is "just amazing."

Would you please point out to Jack White and anyone interested that I certainly do believe LBJ was complicit in the assassination---guilty as sin of foreknowledge and encouraging it---but that he was not the mastermind, the originator. He was a necessary enabler, and his cooperation was essential to its success. But I do not believe it originated with hiim, that's all.

My chapters 15 and 16 will make this all clear, as you well know.

I will undoubtedly be viewed---and scorned by the McAdams group, Posner, and Bugliosi, et. al.---as the promoter of one of the biggest conspiracy theories our there, NOT as someone promoting a modified, limited hangout. A 'modified, limited hangout' was what Robert Blakey and the HSCA report offered, not me.

Everyone should calm down and just wait to read the book, rather than trying to divine what is in it before it is for sale.

-Doug

And I agree with Doug, the Mafia did it stories that we are now hearing, compliments of the likes of Blakey and Company, is just part of the cover-story, and is as false as the Lone-Nut scenario. - BK

[William Kelly]

Each of these articles gives you a taste of what's to come in Doug Horne's Inside the ARRB.

The Culture of the ARRB: A Behind the Scenes Look by a former Senior Staff Member

JFK Assassination Chronicles

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=226680

The Failures of the ARRB by Doug Horne

JFK Assassination Chronicles

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=222920

Dough Horne - Specifics in the Files

Comments by John Kelin

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=226827

[J. Raymond Carroll]

This article by Alen J. Salerian MD is relevant to Doug Horne's forthcoming book:

Dr. Salerian in Medical Hypotheses:Volume 71, Issue 4, Pages 475-624 (October 2008)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=P...80feabfa5a26f09

There are three gross errors incompatible with scientific

inquiries that invalidate the postmortem

examination of President Kennedy.

1. The reported brain weight of 1500 g is incompatible

with the evidence that almost one-third of

the president’s brain tissue had been lost

because of the violent force of the head injury

and the anatomical reality of an average brain

weight of 1500 g

2. A bullet traveling downward and entering the

president’s back 6 in. below the collar line, consistent

with Newton’s second law of motion

and human anatomy, cannot exit

through the throat.

(Newton's Second Law of Motion states that “an object acted upon by a constant force will

move with constant acceleration in the direction of the force”.)

3. There is written evidence signed by Commander

Humes that he destroyed part of the autopsy

records and personal notes inconsistent with

accepted ethical and judicious medical practice

The seriousness, multiplicity and diversity of

gross errors not only render the postmortem exam

worthless but suggest complicity

Thanks to Peter Fokes who found this article. It is discussed on the

McAdams forum

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassi...40fe061e94e14b6

[William Kelly]

Appendix to Inside the Assassination Records Review Board

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...do?docId=145280

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Appendix to Inside the Assassination Records Review Board

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...do?docId=145280

Thanks for posting this Bill, and thanks to Doug Horne, Rex Bradford and the folks at Maryferrell.org.

Here is a link to a 2006 thread dealing with Doug's press conference. John Simkin has described it as the most important thread since the foundation of the forum.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6849

[Edited for spelling]

Edited November 27, 2009 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Michael Hogan]

Assassination Records Review Board: Files of Douglas P. Horne:

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/revie...orne-files.html

The State of the Medical Evidence in the JFK Assassination; Doug Horne's presentation at JFK Lancer 1998 Conference

by Joe Backes

http://www.jfklancer.com/Backes.html

[William Kelly]

Inside Assassination Records Review Board Vol. IV now available at Amazon.com

Bill Kelly's Preview -

BK Notes: While I have read and am reading select chapters and volumes of IARRB, I haven't digested it all yet, and will write a more in-depth review after I'm done reading it.

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http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/

IARRB Volume IV Now Available at Amazon.Com

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Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government's Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK (Volume 4) (Paperback)

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VOLUME 4 of 5: Douglas Horne served on the staff of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) during the final three years of its four-year lifespan, from 1995 to 1998, and is the first U.S. government official involved with the medical evidence to allege a coverup in President Kennedy's autopsy, and in the creation of the autopsy photographs and x-rays. This book, the product of over 13 years of writing and research, provides the best explanation yet offered of the true nature of the medical coverup in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and does so in meticulous detail, with scrupulous use of primary source material. It incorporates the latest information-much of it new evidence not revealed elsewhere-gleaned from the ARRB's depositions and interviews of medical witnesses, conducted from 1996 to 1998. With precise accuracy, and with a relentless focus on the massive fraud uncovered in the official records of the 35th President's assassination, Horne presents a persuasive case that the assassination of JFK was an "inside job," a true coup d'etat in America, that was ruthlessly and brazenly covered up by those who 'broke the back of the American century' in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

About the Author

Douglas Horne served on the staff of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) during the final three years of its four-year lifespan, from 1995 to 1998, and is the first U.S. government official involved with the medical evidence to allege a coverup in President Kennedy's autopsy.

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Bill Kelly's Preview - 11/29/09

Doug Horne’s Inside the Assassination Records Review Board (IARRB) is the most important book to be published on the assassination of President Kennedy in decades, not only because it changes the way we look at that murder, but in showing how the remaining issues can be resolved by determining the truth.

All the debates end here, and the arguments are replaced with questions that were posed but not answered when the Assassination Records Review Board was alive and ostensibly overseeing the declassification and release of the government's JFK assassination records. Many of the questions weren't even asked because the ARRB failed to fully use its power to subpoena witnesses and take the sworn testimony of witness. As Horne, the chief analyst for military records explains, "While the Review Board had the power to subpoena witnesses and grant immunity, the subpoena power was used sparingly (with a limited number of medical and CIA witnesses), and the immunity power was never exercised. The reason: none of the Board Members were convinced there was any conspiracy or coverup, and therefore were only interested in clarifying the record in a few areas. At least the staff of the ARRB was permitted to conduct unsworn witness interviews without seeking permission from the Board Members. Sadly, senior staff members often elected not to even tape record witness interviews, which make the staff's written interview reports incredibly important as historical tools.

To its credit, the ARRB did manage to release millions of pages of documents, identified important records that are missing and others that have been destroyed, and they’ve called attention to those records that they deemed necessary to withhold until 2017, when the last classified secret JFK assassination record is scheduled to be released.

Now however, over a decade after the ARRB shut down, and years before the last record is released, we have a real good idea of what happened in Dallas, and in DC in the aftermath of the President’s murder. And with Doug Horne’s extremely detailed analysis of the military records, his conclusions are hard to avoid.

Supporting the general consensus that there was a conspiracy behind what happened at Dealey Plaza, Horne takes it a step further, and calls it straight and unambiguous – it was a coup d’etat, with those responsible for the murder taking over the government and changing policy. And lying all the way, but hey, after multiple homicides, the lying part is easy.

Building on the recent evaluations of the assassination that are in line with the Cold War history, crediting David Talbot’s “Brothers,” Jeff Morley’s “Our Man In Mexico” and Jim Douglas’ “JFK & the Unspeakable,” Horne surrounds JFK's story with the proper social frame work, and details how the evidence of a Dealey Plaza coup fits like a glove with the overall historical record.

Not only concluding there was a conspiracy, through his own personal journey, Horne takes the reader on a tour of the intestines of the coup and cover-up, from Dealey Plaza and Parkland Hospital, aboard AF1, from Andrews to Bethesda, and down a few back alleys we haven't seen before. Along the way he consistently refers to important records and corresponding eye witness accounts, pointing out the contradictions and discrepancies, and sometimes actually resolving them to a certainty. Like the two brain exams. Thank God for small victories, and belittling the idea that "We'll never know." Now we know we can know.

While matching the volume of the work of his nemesis Vincent Bugliosi (at 2,000 plus pages), Horne’s IARRB basically dismisses Bugliosi’s only suspect, mentioning Lee Harvey Oswald only a few times in passing throughout the five volumes, and each time only referring to him as the patsy who was framed for the crime. Rather than follow Ozzie the rabbit, Horne sticks close to the body, what one of his mentors, David Lifton refers to as the "best evidence."

A non-fictional forensic documentary "CSI Dealey Plaza," based on Horne’s book, will certainly make a most definitive and fascinating rebuttal to Bugliosi’s upcoming and lame "Distorting History" HBO series with Tom Hanks, but who will have the courage to make "Inside JFK's Forensic Autopsy and Coup?" It isn't pretty, and its hard to say which is more ugly - the gore of the brain splatter and guts or the betrayal of the Constitution by those behind the coup.

Although Horne’s doesn’t know who shot John F. Kennedy in the back and in the head, he’s quite confident that the shot that killed the President entered the right front temple and blew out the back of his skull. This shot blew apart half the brain and created the Harper fragment and the wounds described by the Dallas doctors before the head wound was surgically altered, removing bullet fragments and enlarging the entrance would to appear as an exit, before the official autopsy began that night.

It must have been earlier in the day, after Oswald was captured but before Air Force One landed at Andrews, when it was strategically decided not to follow the original Castro Commie cover-story, and go with the lone-nut scenario, a specific decision that precluded no assassin from the front and required the altering of wounds at Bethesda and all other evidence of a second gunman, including the Z-film.

It is from this attempt to disavow the existence of a shooter from the front, that the other lies had to be created, including the Lone-Nut lie to replace the Cuban Commie Rat cover-story that was supposed to have sparked an invasion of Cuba, and the Z-film alteration that failed to uphold the first lie.

Horne nicely weaves the details of the crime and the cover-up with the overall historical situation, as well as his personal quest for the truth, one that most people can identify with, and follow, and reluctantly, but eventually coming to agree with his acute and well reasoned analysis, and in the end, his terrifying conclusions.

Volume IV, the first book to be released, contains two chapters - 13, "What Really Happened at the Bethesda Morgue (And in Dealey Plaza?)" and the nearly 200 page Chapter 14, "The Zapruder Film Mystery," which is probably the most controversial, but it also contains the convincer.

Besides offering documentary proof and corresponding witness testimony to support this scenario, Horne also demonstrates conclusively that the Zapruder film was tampered with, constituting clear obstruction of justice for tampering with evidence. Unlike previous attempts to brand the Z-film a fake by unexplained anomalies, Horne takes a different approach, and utilizing the recollections of honorable and reputable CIA officials whose reputations cannot be impeached, he demonstrates how the chain of possession was lost and the film altered. While he doesn't know exactly who did it, Horne tells you when and where it was done (KODAK’s Hawkeye Works, Rochester, New York) and how and why they did it.

Because the chain-of-evidence is broken and the provenance of the body and the Zapruder film are no longer certain, as Douglas Horne so conclusively demonstrates, a new legal mandate kicks in, and the rules of the game change.

Just as Oliver Stone’s “JFK” forced Congress to pass the JFK Act, Doug Horne’s book "Inside the Assassination Records Review Board" should embarrass Congress into holding JFK Act Oversight Hearings, force the convening of a Special Federal Grand Jury to investigate crimes related to the assassination, and require a new and proper forensic autopsy of the victim and our national security.

No fewer words could accomplish as much.

[ William E. Kelly, Jr. is co-founder of the Committee for an Open Archvies (COA) and COPA – the Coalition on Political Assassinations. He can be reached at bkjfk3@yahoo.com or at http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/ ]

Edited November 29, 2009 by William Kelly

[Bernice Moore]

thanks Bill very much appreciated...best b..