Martin Hinrichs Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Hi MartinFrame 42 gives you a good image - right-rear brake light. Lee Lee, this is frame 42: Are you sure? Ray, i have trouble to see it too. My best Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Hinrichs Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 This is the image that that is listed as 42 in the list you linked MartinLee This is correct Lee. No need to be sarcastic. So where is the light? Thanks Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 So where is the light? I still don't see it, but since this frame appears to be AFTER the head shot in Z313, it is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Butler Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The one that Martin has posted appears to be 46 in that sequence rather than 42 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Butler Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I think the head shot is at 39 of the sequence shown at the link above so it would be just after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 The first frame the red brake light appears (because it's blocked from view in the other frames) is frame 39 - The head-shot is also frame 39. The brake light is also in frames 40, 41, 42, 44, 45, 46. OK Lee, now I am on my home computer and I THINK I can see a bit better. I now do see the bright light in frame 42 that you have been referring to, just left of Clint Hill's shoulder. Looking back at the earlier frames, however I see the same bright light gradually growing, and I must say that it looks to me like SUNLIGHT reflecting off the tail fin. At this point, I don't think it is the brake light. But my prescription glasses are broken and I am relying on $20 magnifiers. Of course, based on the abrupt slowdown measured on the ZFILM, Greer hit the brakes MUCH FURTHER BACK than the the frames we are looking at in Muchmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) It's amazing to me that so many think Greer's slowing down is so suspicious Driving a powerful automatic vehicle consists of 1/ steering 2/ braking & 3/ accelerating In Greer's situation steering was not really an issue, so his choices were braking and accelerating. If you had been driving the President, Pat, which would you have hit, the brakes or the accelerator? And given the overall evidence of a well-organized plot to kill JFK, why does Greer's behavior look innocent to you? I submit that any well organized plot to shoot JFK in an open car would REQUIRE the complicity of the driver. We also know that Greer LAUGHED about it, after his LYING testimony to the Warren Commission. [He already had the BLOOD MONEY in the banK?] Edited January 20, 2010 by J. Raymond Carroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Hinrichs Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Okay, let me try again.The first frame the red brake light appears (because it's blocked from view in the other frames) is frame 39 - The head-shot is also frame 39. The brake light is also in frames 40, 41, 42, 44, 45, 46. It is absent from frame 43 (don't know whether Greer may have taken his foot off it) and has gone off in frames 6o and 61 where it should appear if the brake was on. Looking at the Zapruder film Greer doesn't start accelerating forward until a good quarter to one half second after the head-shot (and I believe I'm being quite conservative with this guesstimate). Lee Sorry, i have to disagree Lee. Please take a look at the opening sequence of the Muchmore film, when the limousine turned from Main into Houston. Notice how clear and bright the two alternately red front lights turning on and off. David, yes i attached the wrong frame accidently. Never underestimate the human factor. Lol Sorry for not understanding your joke, Lee. best to you Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 "Chaney & Martin" in McIntire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) Brakelight on, OR sunlight illuminating the red lense ? Large Muchmore Scan. Edited January 20, 2010 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Brakelight on, OR sunlight illuminating the red lense ? Hard to say. I think Lee may be on to something: If the plan required the driver to slow down the limo without too much attention to the slowdown, it would make sense to RIG THE BRAKE LIGHTS ahead of time. Of course that would also require a plan to get the limo out of Dallas ASAP before those pesky FBI guys became suspicious of Greer. Recall David Lifton's Best Evidence: Some FBI agents suspected Greer from the get-go. PS Robin: Let me also join the chorus of those who praise you for your great work on the films and photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 Brakelight on, OR sunlight illuminating the red lense ? Hard to say. I think Lee may be on to something: If the plan required the driver to slow down the limo without too much attention to the slowdown, it would make sense to RIG THE BRAKE LIGHTS ahead of time. Of course that would also require a plan to get the limo out of Dallas ASAP before those pesky FBI guys became suspicious of Greer. Recall David Lifton's Best Evidence: Some FBI agents suspected Greer from the get-go. PS Robin: Let me also join the chorus of those who praise you for your great work on the films and photos. Hi J.Raymond Thanks for the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Lamson Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) That taillight is not in the sun, it's in open shade. Could it be brightness shining THROUGH the lens from the brightly lit street beyond it? That could be tested if someone wanted to do so. Edited January 20, 2010 by Craig Lamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Hinrichs Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Brakelight on, OR sunlight illuminating the red lense ?Large Muchmore Scan. Thanks Robin. Ok, in this frame it looks like something. Is it a Groden scan Robin? It is of great quality and over exposured. I can't barely see Jackies pink clothes. Almost white. So everythings looks brighter in this frame. I assume thats the only frame in this quality Robin? What i can do is to over exposure the related Muchmore frames (from my previous link) and do a smooth stable animated Gif out of it. We should see then if there was turning the light on and off. Just in case you may interested....which frames shall i use? I'am open to everything and if i'am wrong then so be it. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Raymond Carroll Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'am open to everything and if i'am wrong then so be it. Go for it , Martin. Do your thing and we will all look forward to your results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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