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This interview gives a somewhat different picture:

http://tv.daltid.se/dtplay.php?cs=daltid.c...37&ch=00019

It is an interview that JVB did with a local Swedish station in the fall of 2007. This is also the interview that I notified about on the mod forum in December of 2008, and all hell broke loose.

The narrative is in Swedish, but Judyth speaks English.

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JIM SIGNS OFF FOR (WHAT HE HOPES WILL BE) THE LAST TIME

The situation here has gone far beyond ridiculous into the stratospheric

realm of the absurd. I featured Judyth Vary Baker last night on "The

Real Deal" and, so far as I can discern, exactly one active member of

this thread tuned in--Dean Hartwell--who explained to me that there had

been a glitch and that the second two 25-minute segments of the show

had not been broadcast. So I am rebroadcasting the show this Friday,

5-7 PM/CT, on revereradio.net. But I could care less if you listen to it.

The Guardian had it right: I am up against psychological dispositions.

I am continuing to report to the public the discoveries that I have made

though my contacts and associations with Judyth, which, I can assure

you, will be ongoing. Among the projects we have in mind is taking a

close look at HARVEY & LEE, which I am convinced came about because

Jack and John did not realize that the CIA had created a false history of

Lee Harvey Oswald so he could return to a normal life. In order for them

to have established the existence of "two Oswalds", they would have had

to establish the existence of three: "Harvey", his false history, and "Lee".

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Let me also add that Judyth spent the past week in the company of two

of my closest associates, Declan and Lola Heavey. Lola, who maintains

my blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com, is a social psychologist and

spent every waking minute of her visit in the company of Judyth. She

and Declan are tough as nails, having spent 2 1/2 years sleeping on the

streets of London. They maintain a web site for an organization that they

created, NAC, at http://religionandmorality.net, which I support. I believe

in them and in their intelligence and dedication to their projects, including

a petition to the UN on theraputic cloning signed by many Nobel laureates.

Lola has said, "By the way I will give my two arms that she is a genuine

witness. You can quote me in the forum, and say she has spent more than

six days with me and Declan and we have found her a 100% credible, reliable

and genuine. She never contradicted her story, answered all of my questions

and more, and was very patient. We watched "JFK" with her and anybody in

the room with us would have been under no doubt whatsoever that she was

there, she worked with Ferrie and considered him a friend, and had a very

loving relationship with Lee." Of course, this will have no impact upon those

who are attacking Judyth on the forum. But it carries real weight with me.

To be sure that Lola and Declan had drawn similar conclusions, I spoke with

them both this morning. They related many fascinating aspects about being

around her, including her lack of orientation in coping with the world around

her. Both of them have followed the evolution of this thread, and Declan told

me that he is also convinced that she is genuine and added that, "Jack White is

100% wrong!" Once again, of course, it will be water off a duck's back for one

like Jack, who has known that she was a "fantasist" from scratch. Both Declan

and Lola insist that that is untrue and that her knowledge of Lee Oswald, David

Ferrie, Mary Sherman and events in New Orleans comes from having lived it.

It will come as no surprise that I am more convinced about Judyth than I was

in the beginning. It was my belief that I could provide the platform for a fair

shake on this forum, but today my confidence in logic and evidence has been

severely tested. While I am not inclined to do more with this thread, I would

be willing to consider inquiries that are sent to me personally. I have noticed

that Pat Speer has created a new thread, "The fragment behind the eye, For

Jim Fetzer", which might even become as popular as this one. As one of the

leading critics has observed, "If Judyth is the question, then Judyth cannot be

part of the answer", so you don't need me for a thread attacking me, either.

Those of us who have come to know her the best believe in her the strongest.

I stand with Nigel Turner, Edward Haslam, Howard Platzman, Wim Dunkbaar,

Jim Marrs, Dean Hartwell, Pamela McElwain-Brown, and others who believe in

her. Based upon my past experience, there is nothing more I could ever say

that would change the minds of those who reject her, whose interest in hearing

more has become abundantly clear. Nevertheless, I extend my thanks to the

contributors to this thread, pro or con. And I am glad to end with a message

to Karl Kinaski from Judyth, which, like this thread, is incomplete. If I read

it correctly, those few final words Judyth intended to add fit here: "Good luck!"

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I read that email a long time ago and I laugh harder now then I did back then

Hi Dean ... yeah, "My Boring Life" is a classic. So is a rundown of more recent years that she sent to her Manatee

HS classmate site in July '07 .... and Martin Shackelford posted it on the newsgroup in Dec '08:

To: < ManateeHurric...@att.net >

Subject: update from Judyth Vary Baker

Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:49 PM

Dear MaryJo, hope you get this! remove any old stuff you wish that is on

your opinion not so important, to make room for this new info...many

thanks!)

This comes from Athens, Greece, I've recently been living in Hungary, The

Netherlands, Greece, Austria, painting, writing, Returned briefly to the US

2005-2007 teaching Apache Indians in Arizona (White Mountain reservation)

for a year, then went on to teach Navajo in New Mexico. Marvelous

experiences, but I get too many threats and problems from weirdos.

Overseas, I am well treated. Currently working with an archeology team on

two excavations in Greece -- a government project. Hope everybody gets

Edward Haslam's new book, DR. MARY'S MONKEY, available on Amazon.com, with

two chapters about my life, clearly stating the truth about me, cancer

research, Lee Oswald, and the JFK assassination. Wikipedia finally made a

somewhat more accurate bio of me, but it's still full of errors. Finally

enough people are getting the whole picture, despite efforts to cover up

the truth. The banned documentary THE LOVE AFFAIR can be seen on YOUTUBE.

My witnesses speak out on Dr. mary's monkey webvsite and on

JFKMURDERSOLVED.COM. Further, Watergate's Hunt confessed on his deathbed

concerning JFK's planned murder by important power figures. My five

children are all doing well --I have seven grandchildren! Always glad to

hear from classmates. Buddy Grace, Mastin, hope you write! I will always

take time to write classmates! Sincerely, Judyth

Pretty much a quick hello .... and a commercial for Haslam's book. She was so busy,

one has to wonder when she had time to write!

Bests,

Barb :-)

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As near as I can determine, a marriage license in Mobile, Alabama can be

obtained only between 8 a.m. and 4:45 p.m. by adults OVER 18 WITH

VALID PHOTO ID. Persons UNDER 18 must have parental consent. Mobile

has a THREE-DAY WAITING PERIOD FOR NON-RESIDENTS BEFORE A WEDDING

CAN BE PERFORMED. Below are current requirements. They may have been

different in 1963.

ID Requirement in Alabama:

You will need valid Driver's License or Birth Certificate if you are over 18. All applicants must also provide a Social Security number.

Residency Requirement:

You do not have to be a resident of Alabama. However, some counties, like Mobile, require nonresidents to wait three days before being able to have a wedding ceremony performed.

An elopement to Mobile would appear to be more than an overnight affair.

Jack

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As near as I can determine, a marriage license in Mobile, Alabama can be

obtained only between 8 a.m. and 4:45 p.m. by adults OVER 18 WITH

VALID PHOTO ID. Persons UNDER 18 must have parental consent. Mobile

has a THREE-DAY WAITING PERIOD FOR NON-RESIDENTS BEFORE A WEDDING

CAN BE PERFORMED. Below are current requirements. They may have been

different in 1963.

ID Requirement in Alabama:

You will need valid Driver's License or Birth Certificate if you are over 18. All applicants must also provide a Social Security number.

Residency Requirement:

You do not have to be a resident of Alabama. However, some counties, like Mobile, require nonresidents to wait three days before being able to have a wedding ceremony performed.

An elopement to Mobile would appear to be more than an overnight affair.

Jack

At that time, Jack, many states required a blood test as well ... and Judyth mentions they needed to get a blood test in her book. The test was a VDRL which is a test for syphilis ... the test had to be ordered as a "pre-marital" so that a signed certificate would be issued with the (hopefully!) negative results. Couples then took their health certificates to the courthouse to get their marriage license. No official signed health certificates, no marriage license.

Bests,

Barb :-)

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She and Declan are tough as nails, having spent 2 1/2 years sleeping on the streets of London.

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So now you have homeless bums backing Judyth up? LMFAO

Why in the world would anybody think sleeping on the streets of London is something to brag about?

Jim I cant believe you are using homeless people to back Judyth up

Do you really expect anybody to care about what two bums think about Judyth or the assassination?

I cant believe it, I am so disappointed

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As near as I can determine, a marriage license in Mobile, Alabama can be

obtained only between 8 a.m. and 4:45 p.m. by adults OVER 18 WITH

VALID PHOTO ID. Persons UNDER 18 must have parental consent. Mobile

has a THREE-DAY WAITING PERIOD FOR NON-RESIDENTS BEFORE A WEDDING

CAN BE PERFORMED. Below are current requirements. They may have been

different in 1963.

ID Requirement in Alabama:

You will need valid Driver's License or Birth Certificate if you are over 18. All applicants must also provide a Social Security number.

Residency Requirement:

You do not have to be a resident of Alabama. However, some counties, like Mobile, require nonresidents to wait three days before being able to have a wedding ceremony performed.

An elopement to Mobile would appear to be more than an overnight affair.

Jack

At that time, Jack, many states required a blood test as well ... and Judyth mentions they needed to get a blood test in her book. The test was a VDRL which is a test for syphilis ... the test had to be ordered as a "pre-marital" so that a signed certificate would be issued with the (hopefully!) negative results. Couples then took their health certificates to the courthouse to get their marriage license. No official signed health certificates, no marriage license.

Bests,

Barb :-)

I forgot about blood tests. As I recall, they take several days to do the lab work. The quickie marriage

elopement overnight to Mobile could have taken a week, including the lab work and waiting period,

the ceremony, and the honeymoon. What is Judyth's timeline on the elopement?

And she never did respond to my friend's claim that she and Baker were married in Florida, not Alabama.

Were announcements of the marriage printed in any newspaper? If they were in New Orleans, as she

says, why did they go to Mobile to tie the knot? Why not just get married in romantic New Orleans?

Jack

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It was my intention not to post again, but I am making an exception for you.

Your mediocrity has astounded me. And now you compound it with ignorant

remarks about two admirable human beings you know nothing about? You

had better hope you never fall on hard times, Dean, because you wouldn't

last a day on the streets of London. The disappointment, alas, is all mine.

She and Declan are tough as nails, having spent 2 1/2 years sleeping on the streets of London.

:tomatoes

So now you have homeless bums backing Judyth up? LMFAO

Why in the world would anybody think sleeping on the streets of London is something to brag about?

Jim I cant believe you are using homeless people to back Judyth up

Do you really expect anybody to care about what two bums think about Judyth or the assassination?

I cant believe it, I am so disappointed

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It was my intention not to post again, but I am making an exception for you.

Your mediocrity has astounded me. And now you compound it with ignorant

remarks about two admirable human beings you know nothing about? You

had better hope you never fall on hard times, Dean, because you wouldn't

last a day on the streets of London. The disappointment, alas, is all mine.

She and Declan are tough as nails, having spent 2 1/2 years sleeping on the streets of London.

:tomatoes

So now you have homeless bums backing Judyth up? LMFAO

Why in the world would anybody think sleeping on the streets of London is something to brag about?

Jim I cant believe you are using homeless people to back Judyth up

Do you really expect anybody to care about what two bums think about Judyth or the assassination?

I cant believe it, I am so disappointed

How do you know how long I could last on the streets of London?

Do you have any idea of what type of man I am? From the looks of it I could bench press your homeless friend 100 times without breaking a sweat

The answer is you dont have a clue, so dont ever say that I cant last on the streets of London like your worthless homeless bum friends

You couldnt stay away from this thread if you tried Jim

Go ahead and post a reply that your broke bum friends who love Judyth could beat me up because I know nothing about hard times and couldnt last a day on the streets of London :lol:

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Judyth claims to have written the definitive history of the Mormon church.

Would that be the history of the Mormon church written by SHERRY Baker

covering the period from 1827-1974? Many of its footnotes reference

Wikipedia and other websites. The internet did not exist in 1963, unless

Judyth had special access through Mafia betting lines...and wrote under

the pen name Sherry. The "definitive history of the Mormon Church" can

be found by googling.

Jack

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And they are far more intelligent, better educated and interesting than you.

It was my intention not to post again, but I am making an exception for you.

Your mediocrity has astounded me. And now you compound it with ignorant

remarks about two admirable human beings you know nothing about? You

had better hope you never fall on hard times, Dean, because you wouldn't

last a day on the streets of London. The disappointment, alas, is all mine.

She and Declan are tough as nails, having spent 2 1/2 years sleeping on the streets of London.

:tomatoes

So now you have homeless bums backing Judyth up? LMFAO

Why in the world would anybody think sleeping on the streets of London is something to brag about?

Jim I cant believe you are using homeless people to back Judyth up

Do you really expect anybody to care about what two bums think about Judyth or the assassination?

I cant believe it, I am so disappointed

How do you know how long I could last on the streets of London?

Do you have any idea of what type of man I am? From the looks of it I could bench press your homeless friend 100 times without breaking a sweat

The answer is you dont have a clue, so dont ever say that I cant last on the streets of London like your worthless homeless bum friends

You couldnt stay away from this thread if you tried Jim

Go ahead and post a reply that your broke bum friends who love Judyth could beat me up because I know nothing about hard times and couldnt last a day on the streets of London :lol:

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Judyth wrote:

My kids were voted most popular, played with state champion-to-be football

team, and were valedictorians, their blushing single mother so thrilled.

I served in Bradenton as tutor, counselor to women, a state-trained child

abuse investigator, and made some rescues of children that could be made

into a movie, including a shotgun shoved against my chest, etc. .

Previously, I'd rescued, and caused to be rescued, dozens of starving

pregnant mares and got new laws passed in state of Texas against animal

abuse...and founded FBC Humane Society.

Bradenton is in Fort Bend County (FBC). The Fort Bend County website for community

services lists NO FBC HUMANE SOCIETY.

Jack

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And they are far more intelligent, better educated and interesting than you.

How is that? Maybe they have 260 IQs? :tomatoes

Im smart enough to have never been a homeless bum for 2 1/2 years

I told you its impossible for you to stay away from this thread

Keep insulting me, it makes you look far less intelligent, far less educated and far less interesting then you really are

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