Dale Myers, Don Thomas, & The Murder Of Officer Tippit

[David Von Pein]

You have to send a bio and photo to Simkin.

Yes, that's true. But, just like I said before, pretty much anyone can join.

Carlier may have been a member previously. But he did not go into overdrive until the two Daves entered the scene. Especially with that nuttiness about Oswald's ammo--which DVP actually tried to defend.

Carlier was never in much of an "overdrive". In fact, I wanted him to post a lot more often. He made relatively few posts--even in the so-called "overdrive" mode that Jimbo imagines.

And, btw, I never ONCE gave my support to the notion that any ammo found in Irving after 11/22 belonged to Oswald. If DiEugenio can provide a post of mine where I said that I thought that ammo WAS Oswald's, let's see it.

The idea that you guys never talk to each other, never e mail each other, never communicate with each other, don't even know each other, and simply all exist on separate alternative universes, is enough to make me puke. Except I have to puke while reading your trash which is on this forum. I mean, you even had your own organization led by McAdams and Ken Rahn.

LOL.

I very rarely speak to other LNers via e-mail, although Francois has written me a few times. And I never, ever talk to other LNers in person.

Maybe other LNers chat via other non-forum means, however. I wouldn't know. But Jimbo is off on a tangent here that suggests the LNers of the Internet all get together and plan strategy on how to bash the CTers, etc. Which, of course, is nonsense (at least based on my own experience).

Once again, DiEugenio is talking out his ass. But, of course, we're all accustomed to Jimbo's ridiculous anti-VB, anti-LN, anti-DVP, and anti-WC tirades by now, aren't we?

Carlier noticed you all alerting you to the fact you will have to counter Len's Hawaii conference--which DVP just noted on this forum. Yet we are supposed to believe that with Duncan's and McAdam's [sic] funny farms as your base, you never ever communicate with each other in any way to try and counter anything the critics do.

You're delusional. Plain and simple.

I believe that about as much as I do that Ruth Paine's freindship [sic] for Marina was only because she wished to [l]earn Russian.

Naturally, Jimbo. The whole world (including Ruth Paine) was out to frame your favorite patsy.

And I made a snowman in Phoenix last August too.

Edited December 9, 2010 by David Von Pein

[David Von Pein]

The above is an illustration of what I mean. You can either counter or: yawn. and roll over. Its [sic] that absurd to have him here.

Cry baby.

[Guest Robert Morrow]

You have to send a bio and photo to Simkin.

Yes, that's true. But, just like I said before, pretty much anyone can join.

Carlier may have been a member previously. But he did not go into overdrive until the two Daves entered the scene. Especially with that nuttiness about Oswald's ammo--which DVP actually tried to defend.

Carlier was never in much of an "overdrive". In fact, I wanted him to post a lot more often. He made relatively few posts--even in the so-called "overdrive" mode that Jimbo imagines.

And, btw, I never ONCE gave my support to the notion that any ammo found in Irving after 11/22 belonged to Oswald. If DiEugenio can provide a post of mine where I said that I thought that ammo WAS Oswald's, let's see it.

The idea that you guys never talk to each other, never e mail each other, never communicate with each other, don't even know each other, and simply all exist on separate alternative universes, is enough to make me puke. Except I have to puke while reading your trash which is on this forum. I mean, you even had your own organization led by McAdams and Ken Rahn.

LOL.

I very rarely speak to other LNers via e-mail, although Francois has written me a few times. And I never, ever talk to other LNers in person.

Maybe other LNers chat via other non-forum means, however. I wouldn't know. But Jimbo is off on a tangent here that suggests the LNers of the Internet all get together and plan strategy on how to bash the CTers, etc. Which, of course, is nonsense (at least based on my own experience).

Once again, DiEugenio is talking out his ass. But, of course, we're all accustomed to Jimbo's ridiculous anti-VB, anti-LN, anti-DVP, and anti-WC tirades by now, aren't we?

Carlier noticed you all alerting you to the fact you will have to counter Len's Hawaii conference--which DVP just noted on this forum. Yet we are supposed to believe that with Duncan's and McAdam's [sic] funny farms as your base, you never ever communicate with each other in any way to try and counter anything the critics do.

You're delusional. Plain and simple.

I believe that about as much as I do that Ruth Paine's freindship [sic] for Marina was only because she wished to [l]earn Russian.

Naturally, Jimbo. The whole world (including Ruth Paine) was out to frame your favorite patsy.

And I made a snowman in Phoenix last August too.

[unfortunately, I am on Francois emailing list. Perhaps while JFK researchers meet in Hawaii next spring, lonely nutters can meet ... in the basement of Langley ... or in Karl Rove's office... Whatever.]

Hello everybody,

This is an important message. I'd like everybody to consider my proposition.

When Len Osanic is trying to organize a conference in 2011 in Hawai, to spread disinformation, lie to the American public, deny the reality, dishonestly try to pull the public into his world of make-believe, and disgustingly try to lure the public and convince them of his farfetched conspiracy theories, with the help of such idiotic guys as James DiEugenio, it is high time we, sane and reasonable and intelligent and factual people, who defend the truth (namely that Oswald acted alone) MADE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO COUNTER BALANCE HIS CONFERENCE.

I think it is our duty, for us, people such as myself, John McAdams, David Von Pein, Vincent Bugliosi, Dale Myers and friends, to defend the facts and the truth.

Disinformation and horrible lies and the work of the devil. We must fight against this nightmare.

So, I am asking you. What do we do ? Do we let them spread their lies ?

Or do we unite to show the media and the public where the truth is ? I say we should organize our own conference, a TRUTH, SCIENCE, and FACTS conference.

I am hereby saying out loud that I shall endeavor to make everything possible to counter the lie-spreading conspiracy theorists !

/François Carlier/

[David Von Pein]

I wonder why Francois didn't send a copy of that e-mail to me? I sure never got a copy.

I'm sad. Francois likes Robert "LBJ WAS A MURDERER" Morrow more than me.

(Come to think about it, why on Earth would Francois send a mail like that to a CTer like Morrow?

That's odd.)

Edited December 9, 2010 by David Von Pein

[William Kelly]

Doesn't anybody want to talk about Dale Myers' response to Don Thomas' chapter on the Tippit murder?

BK: YEA, MR. WHITE STICKS TO HIS STORY AND THEY DON'T BOTHER INTERVIEWING MATHER, WHO WORKS FOR COLLINS RADIO, A COMPANY THAT THE NEW YORK TIMES IDENTIFIED ON ITS FRONT PAGE ON NOVEMBER 1, 1963 AS A COMPANY THAT OWNED THE SHIP THE REX THAT THE CIA USED TO RUN TERRORISTS COMMANDOS INTO CUBA, INCLUDING A TEAM THAT WAS PICKED UP AND ARRESTED BY THE CUBANS AND WHO CONFESSED THEY WERE TO USE THE HIGH POWERD RIFLES WITH SCOPES THEY WERE ARRESTED WITH TO TRY TO ASSASSINATE CASTRO. BUT OF COURSE NONE OF THE DALLAS POLICE READ THE NEW YORK TIMES SO THEY WERE IN THE DARK ABOUT THAT, BUT THE FBI SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AND INQUIRED, BUT THEY DON'T BOTHER QUESTIONING MATHER AT ALL!

It's always seemed to me to be a strange request that Mather put on the table. Why would someone who knows nothing need immunity from prosecution?

Thanks for that Lee,

And Carl Mather asks for Immunity from prosecution in order to testify, Blakey grants it to him, and then they never bother to call him and question him under oath?

What's with that?

Then when CBS did a special they took Carl Mather and his wife out to dinner and tried to interview him, but he was too nervous to eat and while Mrs. Mather gets listed in the credits, they never mention Mather in the documentary.

And when I was in Dallas one year and interviewed Wes Wise, taped on the record at the the scene of the Mexican restaurant parking lot - he then interviewed me with Bob Porter back at the Sixth Floor Muse, where my interview is part of the Oral History program. At that time I asked Wes Wise if he would interview Carl Mather for the Sixth Floor Oral History program, but I don't think they ever did it.

Did anybody ever question Carl Mather?

Did anybody ever question his wife, who was also present during the CBS dinner?

Bill Kelly

[Steve Duffy]

Regarding the canvassing of the Tippit crime scene, why do we have so little regarding the occupants of 404 East 10th? Myers mentions Ann McRavey...but no one else, from 5 apartments? What about the DPD reports?

And Virginia Davis statement that Tippit "was parked between the hedge that marks the apartment house were he lives in and the house next door."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15689&st=0&p=188189entry188189

Was Tippit a familiar presence to Davis? Why did she make this claim?

[Duke Lane]

This really is an interesting thread.

I wonder if there are IFO advocates picketing UFO conferences, people who throw insults and tomatoes at the others as they pass in the halls or on the streets, or who feel they must band together to "spread THE TRUTH" (in caps) wherever those paranoid fanatics might gather to counter any possibility that "the public" will fall victim to their piteous fantasies? Or realists who gather to jeer the ghost hunters at the "haunted house" down the street or at the shore? Or Jews or Muslims who feel the need to picket Catholic services lest "this Jesus thing" be perchance taken seriously by the unsuspecting?

Grown men who are otherwise presumably reasonable people - on both sides of this particular issue - who live normal lives in normal communities and hold normal jobs to feed normal families are reduced to this puerile name-calling in the name of a 50-year-old murder, each acting as if the other was calling for the complete abolition of everything they respectively believe in. Do y'all react the same way when you find out your co-workers go to a different church, or voted for a candidate other than the one you did? What do you do when you find out that a neighbor's daughter had an abortion or - worse in some people's eyes - got pregnant out of wedlock in the first place? Or went to a Reading Room to rid themselves of cancer? Do you shun them as well?

What's with all this casting of stones to exorcise the devil? Are you ALL that fanatical, or just <DELETED BY MODERATOR> up? DO you have any ANY idea how to deal with other people?

Unreal.

F word deleted by Mod.

Edited December 9, 2010 by Kathy Beckett

[Guest Robert Morrow]

I wonder why Francois didn't send a copy of that e-mail to me? I sure never got a copy.

I'm sad. Francois likes Robert "LBJ WAS A MURDERER" Morrow more than me.

(Come to think about it, why on Earth would Francois send a mail like that to a CTer like Morrow?

That's odd.)

Actually, Lyndon Johnson was a pyschopathic serial killer. So he would work well with the CIA. For anyone who wants my "LBJ and CIA killed JFK" file, please email me at Morrow321@aol.com:

There are a lot of good web links and other info in this file. I would SKIM it first and see what catches your eye. Also, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to call me at 512-306-1510. Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. (People like HL Hunt, Clint Murchison Sr., Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, George Herbert Walker Bush and Gen. Edward Lansdale all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up. The Warren Commission should have really been called the “Allen Dulles Commission” because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). Cover up artist Gerald Ford was reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.

Lately, I have been studying the role of McGeorge Bundy, the National Security Advisor for JFK and Henry Cabot Lodge, JFK’s insubordinate ambassador to Vietnam who Kennedy was planning to fire on Monday, 11/25/63. It is probable that both McGeorge Bundy and Henry Cabot Lodge were involved some way with the JFK assassination. McGeorge Bundy, astonishingly, was already drafting sharp escalations to JFK’s Vietnam policy NSAM 273 (which he would not have approved) on 11/21/63, the night before the 1963 Coup d’Etat! Bundy later ran the Ford Foundation from 1966-1979.

The midlevel murderers (field operations) of JFK would include CIA guys like E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William King Harvey and David Atlee Phillips. Deputy Harry Weatherford is a good candidate to have been on the Records Building as a sniper. Influential mobster Johnny Roselli was especially close friends with the CIA’s William King Harvey. The most likely mafia godfathers involved would be Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante, particularly in the Jack Ruby murder of Oswald and perhaps in the JFK Assassination as well.

The elite domestic murderers of JFK did it for many reasons, both personal and ideological. At the core it was Lyndon Johnson, the CIA, and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and the Rockefellers. I am always will to learn and I am always willing to change my mind. Two excellent books to read on the JFK assassination are 1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/ and 2) JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters (2008) by James Douglass. Review: http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html

As for videos, I highly recommend going to You Tube and watching The Men Who Killed Kennedy – The Guilty Men (episodes 7, 8, 9). Much of these episodes focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and they were BANNED from the History Channel because they were so accurate. Jack Valenti organized a snuff campaign on the videos along with Lady Bird Johnson, Warren Commission con artist Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers. Also watch Jesse Ventura’s 2010 Conspiracy Theory show on the JFK assassination. In addition, I recommend JFK the movie by Oliver Stone, director’s cut. Oliver Stone, despite immense criticism in the MSM by CIA assets, pretty much nailed the JFK assassination.

Robert Morrow Austin, TX 512-306-1510

Edited December 9, 2010 by Robert Morrow

[Duke Lane]

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No need for anyone to point out the obvious from my previous post. Get the hint, eh?

[William Kelly]

Regarding the canvassing of the Tippit crime scene, why do we have so little regarding the occupants of 404 East 10th? Myers mentions Ann McRavey...but no one else, from 5 apartments? What about the DPD reports?

And Virginia Davis statement that Tippit "was parked between the hedge that marks the apartment house were he lives in and the house next door."

http://educationforu...89

Was Tippit a familiar presence to Davis? Why did she make this claim?

Good questions Steve,

But I don't think anybody is interested in the topic of this thread.

BK

[David Von Pein]

Davey, you are rich.

So, Jimmy, you think I'm lying when I said I never received that e-mail from Francois, is that correct?

[Steve Duffy]

It is a shame.

And even I got an email from Francois...seriously.

But could the thread go back to topic?

[David Von Pein]

David Von Pein...is here to stifle.

Nonsense.

Truth is: I talk evidence; while people like Lee Farley ignore the BEST evidence and embrace unprovable (and many times, downright silly) theories -- e.g., Oswald was framed for BOTH murders; the DPD planted evidence; the DPD/FBI faked a cab & bus ride; witnesses were coerced; etc. to near infinity.

I know the truth hurts Lee Farley. But somebody's got to embrace it. CTers sure don't.

Edited December 9, 2010 by David Von Pein

[Thomas Graves]

Regarding the canvassing of the Tippit crime scene, why do we have so little regarding the occupants of 404 East 10th? Myers mentions Ann McRavey...but no one else, from 5 apartments? What about the DPD reports? (Her name wasn't Ann McRavey, it was Ann McRavin.)

And Virginia Davis statement that Tippit "was parked between the hedge that marks the apartment house were he lives in and the house next door."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15689&st=0&p=188189entry188189 (??????????????)

Was Tippit a familiar presence to Davis? Why did she make this claim?

(--Thomas)

Edited December 9, 2010 by Thomas Graves

[Guest Tom Scully]

Oh, give it a rest, Scully. You're embarrassing yourself.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/thread/87e915881d56206e#

David Von Pein Dec 8, 5:37 pm

Ol' Laz is wrong again (what a shocker).

McAdams won't let me call anybody a kook who is a current member at

aaj.

I can call Kook DiEugenio and Kook Fetzer the kooks that they are ONLY

because they are not regular posting members at aaj.

Got that, Kook Laz?

No McAdams here to tell us what we can or can't post, and DiEugenio is able to

reply to you. Why would you give up your one sided advantages afforded to you via McAdams moderation, to participate here?

Edited December 9, 2010 by Tom Scully