Pamela Brown Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Just a heads-up that the site in-broad-daylight.com that currently focuses on the JFK assassination limo will be used to focus on the assassination itself. Limo information will now be available at our new site, ss100x.com. Currently, both sites are available and mirror each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. William King Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Thank you, Pamela. As a "car nut" myself, your efforts have always been appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Kossor Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) The documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" has a section called "The Smoking Guns" which shows the Kennedy limousine parked outside Parkland Hospital as its bubble top is being installed. A bullet hole is unmistakable in the driver's side window. This section and one other ("The Guilty Men") were pulled form circulation after the film was aired once on the History Chanel. Close inspection of the video reveals a white circular area with a black circular center -- exactly what a bullet penetrating safety glass would produce. The obvious question is: Where did the shot that created this hole come from? I had to have originated on the driver's side of the car, because the driver would have been struck by it if it had come from any other direction. The vehicle was heavily armored so the shot would not have penetrated into the inside of the car, but it definitely could have damaged the window while it was in its lowered position inside the door. Perhaps this image is one of the reasons for the discontinued distribution of this portion of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy." That section also includes eyewitness testimony about the existence of a through-and-through round bullet hole entering the front windshield of the limousine. Edited August 2, 2012 by Steven Kossor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Hi Steven, quote''The vehicle was heavily armored so the shot would not have penetrated into the inside of the car'' the windshield at the time of the assassination was not bullet proof, after when reconstructed, armor and bullet proof windshields were added...and updated...thanks..b Edited August 2, 2012 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. William King Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Not only was the windshield not bulletproofed, nothing on the car was armored at all. Like Bernice said, it was never armored in any way until it was rebuilt after the assassination. As for the picture, I don't think that spot is anything at all. In fact, it looks like the driver's window is still down, so you couldn't see a bullet hole even if there was one. Besides, there has never been a mention of bullet damage to the car except for the windshield, and maybe the windshield trim above the rear view mirror, and the back of the rear view mirror itself. Pamela would be the one to ask about that information. Edited August 2, 2012 by J. William King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) hi william; i found a few photos, info, that may be of interest, but, there was one other damage to the limo, but nothing came of it, it was a bullet hole in the floor pan..i will see if i can find the info.but for now, these may be of interest to Steven..and.........fwtaw .best b...Kellerman also gives descriptions of the limo within his testimony Subject: Repost: Presidental Limo 'saftey glass' Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:33:10 GMT Physical Characteristics of the Presidential Limo (Windshield): The windshield was comprised of three parts: two pieces of glass with a thin layer of plastic between the two (i.e. 'safety glass'). The Bullets and Fragments Found inside the Presidential Limo: Two bullet fragments were found in the front seat. One was located on the seat beside the driver, it weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment was located along the ellerman gives a very good description within his testimony... Subject: Repost: Presidental Limo 'saftey glass' Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:33:10 GMT Physical Characteristics of the Presidential Limo (Windshield): The windshield was comprised of three parts: two pieces of glass with a thin layer of plastic between the two (i.e. 'safety glass'). The Bullets and Fragments Found inside the Presidential Limo: Two bullet fragments were found in the front seat. One was located on the seat beside the driver, it weighed 44.6 grains and consisted of the nose portion of a bullet. The other fragment was located along the right side of the front seat, it weighed, 21.0 grains and consisted of the the base portion of a bullet. Three small lead particles weighing between 17/10 and 9/10 of a grain each, were located on the rug underneath the left jump seat (Mrs. Connolly's seat). Small residue of lead on the inside surface of the laminated windshield and very small pattern cracks ("wagon wheel pattern") were also found on the on the outer layer of the windshield immediately behind the lead residue. There was a minute particle of glass missing from the outside surface but no penetration. This information is a culmination of two investigations. One conducted by the FBI and the other by the Secret Service. ------------------------ end --------------------------------------- Edited August 2, 2012 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 here is all the information on the bullet hole in the floor pan, not much..but with Bill kelly's work on the SS documents being released , it may eventually be made clearer...???.fwiw b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. William King Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Thank you, Bernice. I've read about that hole in the floorboard, but forgot to mention it above. That hole is kind of like the trim dent and the dent on the back of the rear view mirror. They may, or may not, have been caused by a bullet. I would love to hear if that hole in the floor (as well as the trim and mirror dents) were examined for lead residue. I also wonder if any photos were taken of the floorboard hole. Maybe Pamela can enlighten us. BTW, I loved the last line of that memo... "There appears to be little significance to the alleged location of this hole in the Presidential Limousine at this time........." If that is indeed a bullet hole, I would say that it is of extreme significance! Edited August 2, 2012 by J. William King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 hi William again... i do not believe that a hole in the floorpan was even acknowleged by any of the authoritites, i have never found any further information on such, much was of little significance to the investigators, nor those who received their reports..imo...b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 FYI... limo grafic..History Matters Archive - HSCA Appendix to Hearings - Volume VI, pg http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0028b.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 The documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" has a section called "The Smoking Guns" which shows the Kennedy limousine parked outside Parkland Hospital as its bubble top is being installed. A bullet hole is unmistakable in the driver's side window. This section and one other ("The Guilty Men") were pulled form circulation after the film was aired once on the History Chanel. Close inspection of the video reveals a white circular area with a black circular center -- exactly what a bullet penetrating safety glass would produce. The obvious question is: Where did the shot that created this hole come from? I had to have originated on the driver's side of the car, because the driver would have been struck by it if it had come from any other direction. The vehicle was heavily armored so the shot would not have penetrated into the inside of the car, but it definitely could have damaged the window while it was in its lowered position inside the door. Perhaps this image is one of the reasons for the discontinued distribution of this portion of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy." That section also includes eyewitness testimony about the existence of a through-and-through round bullet hole entering the front windshield of the limousine. While the PH witnesses to the limo must be taken seriously, they differ on the location of the hole that they believe they saw. The "spiral nebulae" that has been pushed as the hole location is an anomaly with some of the copies of the Altgens 1-6 that appeared when it was hastily uploaded to the news service on 11.22.63. Nevertheless, this is an open issue as far as I am concerned. What interests me more than what anyone believes is what you think the most persuasive evidence for your argument to be and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Thank you, Pamela. As a "car nut" myself, your efforts have always been appreciated. Thank you. As I will be redesigning ss100x.com to focus only on limo documents and photos and evidence related to it, please keep me in the loop as to anything you would like to see there. This is a commercial site with a lot of bandwidth (we hope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Hi Steven, quote''The vehicle was heavily armored so the shot would not have penetrated into the inside of the car'' the windshield at the time of the assassination was not bullet proof, after when reconstructed, armor and bullet proof windshields were added...and updated...thanks..b It is correct that nothing about ss100x was bulletproof at the time of the assassination. We apparently did not want to consider ourselves a 'banana republic' where a head of state would be assaulted in their own vehicle. However, the roof pieces, though plexiglas, might have deflected a bullet (if not deterred at attempt entirely) and a bullet hitting one would probably have made enough noise for everyone to duck. The metal frame, which was removable, was in place that dfay and the roof pieces housed in the trunk. Had the weather been rainy, as it had been forecast, some of them at least might have been in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 FYI... limo grafic..History Matters Archive - HSCA Appendix to Hearings - Volume VI, pg http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0028b.htm As we can see from this diagram, the HSCA, like the WC before it, were very meticulous about providing details as to the horizontal measurements of the limo, but completely forgot about the vertical measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rago Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 FYI... limo grafic..History Matters Archive - HSCA Appendix to Hearings - Volume VI, pg http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/html/HSCA_Vol6_0028b.htm As we can see from this diagram, the HSCA, like the WC before it, were very meticulous about providing details as to the horizontal measurements of the limo, but completely forgot about the vertical measurements. Hello, Do you know how the limo was oriented in the street at the time of the headshot at zapruder frame 313? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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