W. Tracy Parnell Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 This just in-the whole "L'Eandes was the actor Steve Landesberg" theory is dead and buried. The credit goes to researcher Tom Scully who posts at the Deep Politics Forum. The truth is that L'Eandes did appear at the WMCA studio in person in 1961 and when Rizzuto called Barry Gray to remind him of L'Eandes' appearance, he apparently recognized his voice. After the photo of L'Eandes was obtained Gray, Turner and the FBI agents all identified it as "Rizzuto". https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62288&search=rizzuto_and+Barry#relPageId=88&tab=page Here is the actual chronology of the Barry Gray/L'Eandes/Rizzuto affair according to the FBI: November 17, 1961: Barry Gray interviews L'Eandes on WMCA radio Time Unknown: James Rizzuto calls Gray and reminds him of L'Eandes appearance on WMCA November 23, 1963, 1:30 AM: Gray calls the FBI and tells them about Rizzuto November 23, 1963, Time Unknown: FBI agents interview Barry Gray at WMCA November 23, 1963, 2:00 AM: Rizzuto calls WMCA and is persuaded to meet with FBI November 23, 1963, Time Unknown: The FBI meets with Rizzuto at a restaurant on 42nd Street and he is taken to FBI offices for questioning November 23, 1963, Time Unknown: The FBI interviews Rizzuto who is evasive with his personal details November 29, 1963: A photo of L'Eandes is obtained and the FBI agents identify Rizzuto as L'Eandes November 29, 1963: Roger Turner identifies photo of L'Eandes as Rizzuto November 29, 1963: Barry Gray identifies photo of L'Eandes as Rizzuto December 5, 1963: FBI agents locate Rizzuto and learn he is Stephen Harris Landesberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) If one reads all the thread its possible to not be .....,gaal Barking mad...! // Laverick (unrelated people can look alike -try this phrase in GOOGLE,some below,gaal) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I notice no one will answer Tommy's poignant question. What did 'Lee' tell his friends and family whilst 'Harvey' was in the USSR? // Laverick (per H & L book the family is IN on it, moved around a lot, NEW friends didn't know about Russian LHO. A truly poignant idea is reading and retaining the material presented in the H & L book which is this threads theme. gaal) ========================================== AS long as LEE didn't get photographed/filmed in a public source, then LEE could do things like incriminating Castro gun running , ect. gaal ===]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]=== Portraits of People Who Look Alike But Aren’t Related At All ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]================================]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] http://petapixel.com...related-at-all/ ========== 40 People Who Look So Much Like Celebrities It’s Scary http://www.buzzfeed....ties#.ixlZzrEqK oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the why of it https://scholar.goog...lar.google.com/ Where was "Lee" living when "Harvey" defected to the U.S.S.R.? How much longer did "Lee" continue living there after the story about "Lee Harvey Oswald of Fort Worth" hit the Fort Worth Star Telegram and the front page of other U.S. newspapers on October 31, 1959? https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IrwyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4eoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3310,5481990&dq=lee+oswald+russia&hl=en Exactly how much did "Lee" and family move around after "Harvey" defected to the U.S.S.R.? Where did "Lee" / they live during this migratory period? --Tommy Since you have the book H & L you should know Lee locations are mentioned on pages from 343 to 420. I suspect LEE was at a number of CIA safe houses located throughout the USA, ,gaal Golly some of the Anti- H & L people believe 'the' LHO didn't live at the rooming house. Were was he ?? ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01i19qog8Pw "They seek him here, They seek him there, Those Frenchies seek him everywhere, Is he is heaven? Or is he in hell? That demmed elusive pimpernel." Classic poem performed by Anthony Andrews as Sir Percy Blakeney in The Scarlet Pimpernel =================================================================================== Heroes, Rogues, and Spies - Page 63 - Google Books Result https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1105584585 john craig Turner spoke with U.S. Secret Service agent Calvin Rice and told him about ... that she and several men met in November of 1963 at a CIA safe house in Miami. Unethical human experimentation in the United States ... https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Unethical_human_experimentation...Cached Wikipedia Loading... From 1963 to 1966, Saul Krugman of New York University promised the parents of ... In 1986 the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce ..... consisted of a web of CIA-run safehouses in San Francisco, Marin, and New York ... ================================ Does the CIA really have safe houses all over the world, just like in the movie Safe House? (QUORA) Jim Gordon, Third generation to serve in the US m... (more) Third generation to serve in the US military, grew up on air bases, served (USAF 1966-70 VN); US Dept of State foreign service, 1974-84, commissioned officer; worked in international aviation and political-military affairs; congressional editor, Aviation Wk. & Space Tech.; lived on a couple of Navy bases overseas, too. Yes, the CIA and other intelligence services are constantly adding to their safe-house inventories, and discarding others.No, the locations in the movie were not representative of the places used as safe houses. A safe house would have one usual function: to allow clandestine meetings between case officers and agents, and another possible but definitely more unusual function: as a refuge for persons being pursued. The equipment and infrastructure installed in the places shown in the movie were grossly excessive, involving complicated and potentially compromising installation and construction projects, and the removal of the equipment and modifications when the location is no longer needed or is compromised. The removal would also be very obvious and could compromise the meetings held in the location, even after the fact. There was a useful Quora Q&A at What are the steps necessary to create a safe house? Edited July 12, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 If one reads all the thread its possible to not be .....,gaal Barking mad...! // Laverick (unrelated people can look alike -try this phrase in GOOGLE,some below,gaal) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I notice no one will answer Tommy's poignant question. What did 'Lee' tell his friends and family whilst 'Harvey' was in the USSR? // Laverick (per H & L book the family is IN on it, moved around a lot, NEW friends didn't know about Russian LHO. A truly poignant idea is reading and retaining the material presented in the H & L book which is this threads theme. gaal) ========================================== AS long as LEE didn't get photographed/filmed in a public source, then LEE could do things like incriminating Castro gun running , ect. gaal ===]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]=== Portraits of People Who Look Alike But Aren’t Related At All ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]================================]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] http://petapixel.com...related-at-all/ ========== 40 People Who Look So Much Like Celebrities It’s Scary http://www.buzzfeed....ties#.ixlZzrEqK oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the why of it https://scholar.goog...lar.google.com/ Where was "Lee" living when "Harvey" defected to the U.S.S.R.? How much longer did "Lee" continue living there after the story about "Lee Harvey Oswald of Fort Worth" hit the Fort Worth Star Telegram and the front page of other U.S. newspapers on October 31, 1959? https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IrwyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4eoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3310,5481990&dq=lee+oswald+russia&hl=en Exactly how much did "Lee" and family move around after "Harvey" defected to the U.S.S.R.? Where did "Lee" / they live during this migratory period? --Tommy Since you have the book H & L you should know Lee locations are mentioned on pages from 343 to 420. I suspect LEE was at a number of CIA safe houses located throughout the USA, ,gaal Golly some of the Anti- H & L people believe he didn't live at the rooming house. Were was he ?? .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01i19qog8Pw Answer: We don't know where "Lee" was, so he must have been hiding in CIA safe houses. LOL --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Tracy Parnell Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 My latest blog post summarizes the new information and corrects minor mistakes: http://wtracyparnell.com/latest-armstrong-tale-now-doa/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Answer: We don't know where "Lee" was, so he must have been hiding in CIA safe houses. LOL --Tommy ================= Gee you didn't read my reply. He appeared in several places. Well LEE is ultra deep CIA operative...were else could he live ? His counterpart is in the public/GRU/KGB/STATE DEPT/Media view. LOGIC ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] MK ULTRA HAD A NUIMBER OF SAFEHOUSES Adele Edisen - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum educationforum.ipbhost.com › ... › JFK Assassination DebateCached Similar Apr 10, 2004 - 15 posts - 8 authors Page 1 of 2 - Adele Edisen - posted in JFK Assassination Debate: One of the most important figures in the events surrounding the assassination ... Adele Edisen: A 4-hour interview . . . 15 posts Feb 16, 2011 Question for William E. Kelly 15 posts Oct 24, 2005 Dr. Jose Rivera 15 posts May 21, 2005 PASH and JJA - Page 2 15 posts May 19, 2005 More results from educationforum.ipbhost.com Edited July 12, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Answer: We don't know where "Lee" was, so he must have been hiding in CIA safe houses. LOL --Tommy ================= Gee you didn't read my reply. He appeared in several places. Well LEE is ultra deep CIA operative...were else could he live ? His counterpart is in the public/GRU/KGB/STATE DEPT/Media view. LOGIC ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] MK ULTRA HAD A NUIMBER OF SAFEHOUSES Adele Edisen - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum educationforum.ipbhost.com › ... › JFK Assassination DebateCached Similar Apr 10, 2004 - 15 posts - 8 authorsPage 1 of 2 - Adele Edisen - posted in JFK Assassination Debate: One of the most important figures in the events surrounding the assassination ... Adele Edisen: A 4-hour interview . . . 15 posts Feb 16, 2011 Question for William E. Kelly 15 posts Oct 24, 2005 Dr. Jose Rivera 15 posts May 21, 2005 PASH and JJA - Page 2 15 posts May 19, 2005 More results from educationforum.ipbhost.com Why did the bad guys need to publish a photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" or any photo for that matter in the newspaper story about "Harvey's" defection to Russia? Why not publish only the text of the article? --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Why did the bad guys need to publish a photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" or any photo for that matter in the newspaper story about "Harvey's" defection to Russia? Why not publish only the text of the article? --Tommy ================== Lee could have been seen/identified inadvertently in a public fashion and the altered photo could help with mollifying the public misstep. gaal -------------------------- see the why of it https://scholar.goog...lar.google.com/ Edited July 12, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Why did the bad guys need to publish a photo of "Lee Harvey Oswald" or any photo for that matter in the newspaper story about "Harvey's" defection to Russia? Why not publish only the text of the article? --Tommy ================== Lee could have been seen/identified inadvertently in a public fashion and the altered photo could help with mollifying the public misstep. gaal -------------------------- see the why of it https://scholar.goog...lar.google.com/ So "Lee" Oswald would say to them, "Oh, that's a different Lee Oswald from Fort Worth who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who have the same name and look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." LOL --Tommy Edited July 12, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So "Lee" Oswald would say to them, "Oh, that's a different Lee Oswald from Fort Worth who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who have the same name and look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." LOL --Tommy ================== them ?? Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Police would have a visit from intell services and told to remove records in an anti-communist intell operation. Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Lee is running around in CIA directed activities that sometime connect with MK ultra operations. I will tell you were Lee was ( besides pg 343 to 420 H & L) when you tell me were the MK ultra files are located. ,gaal ---------------------------------------------- Irregularities Relating to Naval Intelligence files on Oswald see http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/10/irregularities-relating-to-naval.html Edited July 12, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So "Lee" Oswald would say to them, "Oh, that's a different Lee Oswald from Fort Worth who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who have the same name and look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." LOL --Tommy ================== them ?? Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Police would have a visit from intell services and told to remove records in an anti-communist intell operation. Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Lee is running around in CIA directed activities that sometime connect with MK ultra operations. I will tell you were Lee was ( besides pg 343 to 420 H & L) when you tell me were the MK ultra files are located. ,gaal ---------------------------------------------- Irregularities Relating to Naval Intelligence files on Oswald see http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/10/irregularities-relating-to-naval.html OK, Gaal, I'm gonna rephrase it so you can understand. So "Lee" Oswald would say to friends and acquaintances and complete strangers who had read the newspaper articles (in whichever city) about his defecting to Russia, "Oh, no, that's not me. That's a different Lee Harvey Oswald who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who happen to have the same name and happen to look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this faded (but unaltered) FWST photo of him that happens to look like me when I was seventeen or eighteen." --Tommy Edited July 12, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So "Lee" Oswald would say to them, "Oh, that's a different Lee Oswald from Fort Worth who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who have the same name and look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." LOL --Tommy ================== them ?? Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Police would have a visit from intell services and told to remove records in an anti-communist intell operation. Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Lee is running around in CIA directed activities that sometime connect with MK ultra operations. I will tell you were Lee was ( besides pg 343 to 420 H & L) when you tell me were the MK ultra files are located. ,gaal ---------------------------------------------- Irregularities Relating to Naval Intelligence files on Oswald see http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/10/irregularities-relating-to-naval.html OK, Gaal, I'm gonna rephrase it so you can understand. So "Lee" Oswald would say to friends and acquaintances and complete strangers who had read the newspaper articles (in whichever city) about his defecting to Russia, "Oh, no, that's not me. That's a different Lee Harvey Oswald who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who happen to have the same name and happen to look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." --Tommy OK, Gaal GRAVES, I'm gonna rephrase it so you can understand. He is leaving his friends to move around in operational activities (as I have stated previously). Do you oddly believe LEE works 9 to 5 in the Harvey Russia period ?? Did anyone ever say that ?? Complete strangers will have to have LEE use the last name Oswald and then remember the story with a poor quality altered photo. When LEE says Oswald he is in intell operational mode. Common casual meetings for daily activities and the first name Lee is used.,gaal ================== BTW >>>>> McGill university is in Canada and a second set of MK ultra files probably exist in the UK. Mk Ultra and Britain Published on Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:28 http://www.mk.gowebs.co.uk/139-mkultra-and-the-uk ==================== also see http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/1957_1961_canada.htm Edited July 12, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So "Lee" Oswald would say to them, "Oh, that's a different Lee Oswald from Fort Worth who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who have the same name and look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." LOL --Tommy ================== them ?? Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Police would have a visit from intell services and told to remove records in an anti-communist intell operation. Besides police ,who is the THEM ?? Lee is running around in CIA directed activities that sometime connect with MK ultra operations. I will tell you were Lee was ( besides pg 343 to 420 H & L) when you tell me were the MK ultra files are located. ,gaal ---------------------------------------------- Irregularities Relating to Naval Intelligence files on Oswald see http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/10/irregularities-relating-to-naval.html OK, Gaal, I'm gonna rephrase it so you can understand. So "Lee" Oswald would say to friends and acquaintances and complete strangers who had read the newspaper articles (in whichever city) about his defecting to Russia, "Oh, no, that's not me. That's a different Lee Harvey Oswald who defected to Russia. We just both happen be former marines from Fort Worth who happen to have the same name and happen to look a lot alike sometimes, for example in this FWST photo of him that looks like me." --Tommy OK, Gaal GRAVES, I'm gonna rephrase it so you can understand. He is leaving his friends to move around in operational activities (as I have stated previously). Do you oddly believe LEE works 9 to 5 in the Harvey Russia period ?? Did anyone ever say that ?? Complete strangers would have to have LEE use the last name Oswald and then remember the story with a poor quality altered photo. When LEE says Oswald, he is in intell operational mode. Common casual meetings for daily activities and the first name Lee is used. --Gaal. [...] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First you said that "Lee" stayed in CIA safe houses from late 1959 until the middle of 1962, and now you're saying that he didn't work a forty-hour-a-week job while "Harvey" was in Russia. How convenient for the H&L crowd. No pay stubs, no job applications, etc. Nice. Question: Was "Lee's" last name "Oswald"? Did he have a middle name? What was it? The original photograph in the FWST was faded but, except for the background for aesthetic reasons, not altered. It's a photo, probably taken in 1958 or 1959, of the young man who later "defected" to Russia, married Marina Prusakova, and who was killed by Jack Ruby. I call him "Lee Harvey Oswald" because that's who he was. His friends and acquaintances who saw that photo would have recognized him and remembered it. --Tommy Edited July 12, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So now you're saying that "Lee" didn't work a forty-hour-a-week job while "Harvey" was in Russia. How convenient for the H&L crowd. No pay stubs, no job applications, etc. Nice // GRAVES ...+++ ..... I call him "Lee Harvey Oswald" because that's who he was. // GRAVES (guess case re H & L is closed to you ,yet you didn't fully comprehend the FELDE DATA,gaal) ================= Never did Armstrong say LEE had a Job in this period, never...so its not a NOW type of change sir. , Its like your making things up , criticizing for criticism sake. AS to the photo there seems to be a distortion of the nose area. // gaal ================== GRAVES HITS WALL OF FELDE FACTS (FAILS). Edited July 12, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) So now you're saying that "Lee" didn't work a forty-hour-a-week job while "Harvey" was in Russia. How convenient for the H&L crowd. No pay stubs, no job applications, etc. Nice // GRAVES ...+++ ..... I call him "Lee Harvey Oswald" because that's who he was. // GRAVES (guess case re H & L is closed to you ,yet you didn't fully comprehend the FELDE DATA,gaal) ================= Never did Armstrong say LEE had a Job in this period, never...so its not a NOW type of change sir. , Its like your making things up , criticizing for criticism sake. AS to the photo there seems to be a distortion of the nose area. // gaal ================== [...] Well, Steven. I can tell you're getting upset and becoming irrational. Why don't you lie down for awhile and take some deep breaths? You know, "In through the nose, out through the mouth. In through the nose, ..." --Tommy PS So Armstrong never said that "Lee" had a job during the "Harvey in Russia" period? Interesting. I guess it's reasonable to assume that he would have at least mentioned it if he had uncovered such a job during his exhaustive research, wouldn't he? So, the fact that he didn't leads "the reasonable man" (it's a legal theory, Steven) to conclude that "Lee" didn't hold down a job during that two-and-one-half-years period of time. So NOW I'd like to thank you for pointing that out, Steven. That works out very nicely for the H&L crowd, doesn't it? No pay stubs, no tax returns, no job applications for "Lee" from (at least) late 1959 through (at least) the middle of 1962. Which could indicate one of two things: 1 ) "Lee" was deep deep deep undercover. - or - 2 ) "Lee" didn't exist. I choose the latter. --Tommy Edited July 12, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) 1 ) "Lee" was deep deep deep undercover. - or - 2 ) "Lee" didn't exist. I choose the latter. --Tommy _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ The reason for nose distortion in a photo that could be widely disseminated would be two Oswalds. The reason for the problems in the military records (just one example Felde) would be the existence of two Oswalds. ,gaal Hargrove QUOTING ARMSTRONG below ==================== QUOTE ON ====================== Marine Corps Unit Diaries On October 26 the name Lee H. Oswald first appears in the Marine Corps Unit Diaries at boot camp #257 56-27 NOTE: The Marine Corps Unit Diaries list the name, rank, service number, and mili- tary occupation specialty (MOS) of servicemen assigned to a particular location. The Diaries also record changes in assignments, activities and duties. The Diaries allow us to see, by name, rank, and serial number, the names of Marines who served with Harvey Oswald at a particular location, and the names of Marines who served with Lee Oswald at a particular location. The Marine Corps Unit Rosters, which are similar to the Diaries, list the name, rank, service number, and military occupation specialty ( MOS) of officers and enlisted person- nel at a particular location. Unit Diary #257-56 p. 1521 also lists the names of the three Dallas recruits who traveled to San Diego with Oswald-Donald G. Davis, Donald M. Elam, and Pleas G. Scott. A recruit named "Alexander D. Felde," with whom Harvey Oswald would spend the next 10 months, is also listed in the same diary. 56-28 The Marine Corps assigned service numbers in numerical order to recruits who enlisted at the same enlistment center. Recruits from the same town, who enlisted within days of each other, had similar service numbers. Alexander D. Felde's service number was 1641924, and is between Marine recruits with service numbers 1641923 and 1641927 (Leo C. King, Richard Rasmussen, Peter J. Scifo, and Joseph D. Socha). All of these recruits, including Felde, were from the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area and all en- listed between October 22nd and October 24th, 1956. Following the assassination the FBI interviewed Allen Robert Felde (on June 26, 1964) and reported, "He enlisted in the United States Marine Corps at Milwaukee, 147Wisconsin in October, 1956. He met Lee Harvey Oswald as a United States Marine Corps recruit about October 23, 1956 while both of them were assigned to Platoon 2060, 2nd Battalion, MCRD, San Diego."26 56-28 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald's photographs appear in the Platoon 2060 yearbook, along with the young men who enlisted in Dal- las with Oswald and accompanied him on the flight to San Diego, (Scott, Elam, and Davis). Felde told the FBI he and Oswald were together through boot camp, ITR train- ing, A & P School in Jacksonville, and Aviation Electronics School in Memphis, TN. Marine Corps Unit Diaries confirm that Oswald and Felde were together at all of these locations except one (the one exception is Memphis-there are no Marine Corps Unit Diaries available for Memphis), but the diaries list Felde's name as "Alexander D. Felde" (instead of Allen R. Felde). It is almost certain that Alexander D. Felde· and Allen R. Felde are the same person, yet the first names and middle initials are differ- ent. After the assassination Felde was the only Marine interviewed by the FBI who had known Oswald in both boot camp and ITR training, and his statements about Oswald are significant. Neither the FBI nor Warren Commission interviewed Davis, Scott or Elam, but the FBI interviewed another recruit pictured in the Platoon 2060 book, Allen R. Felde. Felde told the FBI that he and Oswald were stationed together in boot camp at San Diego until January 1957, and then transferred to Camp Pendleton for combat training. Marine Corps Unit Diary 8-57, pg. 29 for January 18, 1957 and the unit roster confirm Felde's statement.3 January- following Harvey Oswald from boot camp thru ITR Following boot camp eight Marines from Platoon 2060, including Oswald, were transferred to Camp Pendleton, California for infantry training (ITR). Those eight Marines were Lee Harvey Oswald, Hubert C. Cooley, Gerald R. Crowley,* Alexander D. (Allen R.) Felde, Keith W. Marr, Carl G. Salway, Peter J. Scifo, Jr., and Robert W. Smith. Marine Corps Unit Diary #16-57, pg. 925 listed their transfer as "tempduins" (temporary duty under instruction),4 and they were assigned to the 2nd Infantry Train- ing Regiment (ITR). NOTE: Gerald R. Crowley should not be confused with Ronald Crawley, who knew Oswald in Japan The 8-man squad shared the same tent at Camp Pendleton and spent a lot of time together. Felde said that Oswald continually discussed politics, in which none of the young Marines had any interest, and he soon discovered that Oswald was "left- winged." On their first weekend leave the entire 8-man squad shared a taxicab to Tijuana, Mexico. Oswald left the group and was not seen again until the squad returned to Camp Pendleton on Sunday evening. Felde said that on at least four other occasions, when members of his squad took leave and rode a bus to Los Angeles, Oswald de- parted and was not seen again until they returned to Camp Pendleton.5 Felde was the only Marine interviewed by the FBI who went through boot camp and infantry train- ing (ITR) with Lee Harvey Oswald, yet he was not interviewed by the Warren Commission. [ . . . ] The Diaries, however, do not cover three very important locations in 1957, which conflict with the memories of Marines who were with Harvey Oswald: In March, April, and May 1957 Allen Felde was with Harvey Oswald at Camp Pendleton in California (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Camp Pendleton end on February 26, 1957). 57-08/09 In May, June, and July 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald were stationed in Jacksonville, FL (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville end on May 3, 1957).57-08/09 From late July thru early September 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald were attending aviation electronics school in Memphis, TN. (There are no Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Memphis). 57-08/09 March/ April- Harvey and Felde at Camp Pendleton, CA Shortly after the assassination FBI Special Agent (SA) Robert Schoenecker interviewed Allen Felde in Milwaukee, WI and reported: "Both men (Felde and Lee Harvey Oswald) were stationed at San Diego (Boot Camp) until January, 1957, at which time Felde stated that they were trans- ferred to Camp Pendleton (ITR training) for combat training. This combat training lasted until May 1957." ..... until May 1957 32 57-08 SA Schoenecker reported, "Oswald impressed Felde as being 'left-winged.' Oswald continually discussed politics and wrote to US senators, particularly Senator Thurmond. Oswald condemned people of wealth and championed the cause of the working man."33 57-08109 Schoenecker's report was given to the Warren Commission and published as CE 1962 in Volume 23, pp. 797-798), yet the Commission ignored Felde's statement and offered no explanation as to how Oswald could have been in Florida and Califor- nia at the same time. Further confirmation that Harvey Oswald was in California until May 1957 came from Oswald himself. After his arrest on November 22, 1963 the Dallas Police found a 7 -page handwritten account of his background among his possessions. Oswald w:rote that he had served in San Diego, Calif. from October 1956 to April 1957 and at Camp Pendleton (California) in April and May 1957.34 Finally, Allen Felde's arrival at Jacksonville in May was confirmed by the Ma- rine Corps records, the Marine Corps Unit Diaries, and the Marine Corps Unit Rosters. 57-16 These records help to establish the whereabouts of Harvey Oswald (thru his Ma- rine Corps assignments with Felde) and Lee Oswald from late 1956 thru September 1957. The FBI, following a now familiar pattern of ignoring troublesome witnesses, ignored Allen Felde's statement and failed to question a single Marine about Harvey Oswald's presence in Camp Pendleton thru April 1957. The Warren Commission, for their part, ignored the evidence before them that placed Lee Harvey Oswald in Camp Pendleton during April and May. They simply reviewed "Lee Harvey Oswald's" Ma- rine Corps records and concluded that he was in Jacksonville, Florida in March and April. 1957, and avoided the conflict. 35 May- Harvey Oswald and Allen Felde arrive in Jacksonville (May 2, 1957) Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville, Florida prior to May 2, 1957 do not contain the name of Allen Felde. Felde's name first appears in the Marine Corps Unit Roster for Jacksonville on May 3, 1957. He told SA Robert Schoenecker that he was attending the Aviation Fundamentals School during this time.36 57-16 Felde was pro- moted to Private First Class (PFC) and the following day his assignment at Jackson- ville was extended for 7 weeks, until July 22, 1957.37 These entries agree with the statement Felde gave to FBI agent Robert Schoenecker who reported, "During May 1957, Oswald and Felde were transferred to the A&P School at Jacksonville, Florida ...... " 38 NOTE: Marine Corps Unit Diary 104-57, pp. 719 and 724 shows that Allen Felde arrived in Jacksonville on May 2, 1957, while Marine Corps Unit Diary 105-57, p. 722 shows that Camarata, Bandoni, Brereton, Schrand, Powers, and Lee Oswald departed for Biloxi on May 2. 1957.39 In other words, Harvey Oswald and Allen Felde arrived at Jacksonville as Lee Oswald and his group were leaving Jacksonville. Unfortunately, FBI agent Schoenecker reported nothing about Felde or Oswald's activities in Jacksonville during the months of May, June, or July 1957 (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville end on May 3, 1957). If Marine Corps Unit Diaries or Rosters existed for Jacksonville in May, June, and July 1957, we would prob- ably see entries for Allen Felde and Lee Harvey Oswald. . . . . FBI agent Schoenecker reported, without realizing that Allen Felde's state- ments referred to Harvey Oswald, "During May 1957, Oswald and Felde were trans- ferred to the A&P School at Jacksonville, Florida and in approximately July 1957 they (he and Oswald) were both sent to Aviation Electronics School in Memphis. Once again Allen Felde's statement agrees with the Marine Corps Unit Diaries which confirm that he and Oswald were in Jacksonville until July 1957, and not in Biloxi nor on leave.43 By the end of July 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald had been together for nine months-through boot camp, (October thru December 1956-San Diego) ITR train- ing (January thru April1957-Camp Pendleton, California) and Jacksonville (May thru July 1957). Felde's claim that he was with Oswald in California until May, and was with Oswald in Jacksonville until July, conflicts with all known Warren Commission, FBI, and Marine Corps records (except, of course, the Marine Corps Unit Diaries). Allen Felde's 10-month association with Harvey Oswald, and their assignment in Memphis, TN, was undoubtedly the reason Felde was never allowed to testify be- fore the Warren Commission. This is probably the reason he disappeared and why many capable researchers have failed to locate him. I tracked Felde to Arizona by using a social security number issued to him in Wisconsin. In the late 1980's Felde changed his social security number and continued living at the same address, but denied that he was the "Allen Felde" who had served in the Marines with Lee Harvey Oswald. =========================== QUOTE OFF ======================== --Misc. excerpts above from pages 147-163 from John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. Edited July 13, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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