"....Groden goes 81-0 with Latest Win Against City Censors"

[Don Roberdeau]

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JFK Conspiracy Theorist Robert Groden goes 81-0

with Latest Win Against City Censors

By Jim Schutze

Mon., Feb. 25 2013 at 10:37 AM

Categories: Get Off My Lawn

Wanted to go ahead and let you know, since apparently nobody else is

going to do the story, that Robert Groden, the Kennedy assassination

author, has won yet another legal victory in his fight against the

city's years-long efforts to muzzle him.

And, sorry, certain commenters here, but that's what it is. This isn't

about tidying up a park. It's a campaign to shut down free speech on

the still sensitive issue of whether John F. Kennedy's murder in

Dallas 50 years ago was the work of multiple conspirators.

Don't believe me? Still think it's Groden who's the out-of-line wack-

job? Groden's virtually unbroken record of judicial exoneration in 81

separate arrests or tickets by the city is now crowned by a recent

decision of County Criminal Court of Appeals Judge Kristin Wade. Wade

said the same thing a parade of judges have said before: It's the city

that's outside the law in this.

Wade was ruling on the most recent arrest, which took place June 13,

2010, in which the city charged Groden with ... he was charged with

the offense of ... but that's part of the problem, isn't it? The city

arrested him in Dealey Plaza where he lectures and sells self-

published magazines. They threw him in jail. But then they couldn't

quite say what he had done wrong.

Wade takes note of the city's vacillation. In her opinion upholding a

trial judge's decision to quash the case against Groden, Wade points

out that the city changed its mind twice about what Groden had done

wrong after they arrested him and put him in jail. And they still

couldn't come up with a crime.

Know why? There was no crime. There was no city law banning Groden

from giving lectures in Dealey Plaza and selling magazines, books and

videos that explain his theories. Since then, in a classic case of

tardy barn-door closing, the city has enacted an ordinance it thinks

would cover Groden's case. Groden's lawyers think the new ordinance,

yet to be tested, reeks of violation of free speech. More on this in

my column in the newspaper next week.

The point is this: Before the 2010 arrest the city of Dallas had 80

instances in which it had been warned by judges that it was harassing

Groden in violation of his rights and the law. And yet they did it

again. This last time they added some rough treatment during the

arrest and a nice long visit to the jailhouse, a clear expression of

that hoary adage of official oppression, "You can beat the rap, but

you can't beat the ride."

Groden has a federal civil rights lawsuit in the works against the

city. That suit has been in legal limbo for two years waiting for this

appeals court shoe to fall. I'm not sure how that works. I will

explain it in the paper next week. But he tells me this new verdict

will open the door for the civil rights case finally to proceed.

Groden is a New York Times list best-selling author and in 1978 was

the forensic photographic consultant to the Select Committee on

Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives. The select

committee was formed after Groden obtained a copy of the Zapruder

film, which had been owned and suppressed by LIFE magazine.

When Groden got the film aired on television, a shocked national

audience saw President Kennedy's head clearly slammed in the opposite

direction it would have been pushed by a bullet from the sniper's

perch on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository. The final

report of the committee stated it had found evidence establishing "a

high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy."

It is this version of things that Groden preaches in Dealey Plaza,

often to large crowds of tourists who come from far and wide

specifically to explore the facts around the assassination.

The efforts by the city to silence him often have been aided and

abetted by the Sixth Floor Museum, which has become the official

enforcement arm of the no-conspiracy theory in Dallas. Nothing like a

"museum" that gets people arrested for disagreeing with it, eh?

I do a weekly radio show on KNON at 10 a.m. on Saturdays (yes, I'm

plugging along here), and for the past couple of Saturdays we have

been talking about Groden, two weeks ago with him as my on-air guest.

Last Saturday I confessed my own personal sin here: I have just never

been sufficiently motivated to form a personal theory about the JFK

killing in Dallas 50 years ago. I think I have always been daunted by

the amount of reading I would have to do.

But as we roll up on the 50th anniversary observations next November,

with the city already planning hundreds of thousands of dollars worth

of special security to shut people like Groden out of Dealey Plaza on

the big day, I do have to wonder.

Is there still somebody around who's got something big to hide on

this? Because I can't come up with another explanation. Otherwise,

Groden and all the other Warren Commission skeptics would be the best

tourist attraction Dallas ever had.

Dealey Plaza continues to be our most popular tourist attraction. And

Dallas keeps living up to everyone's stereotype by standing down there

like some big old 1950s copper slapping his billy club against his leg

saying, "Let's move it along now, folks, nothin' to see here, time you

been gettin' on home now."

Why? Does the city actually want to look guilty? Does it not get that

doing stuff like tossing Groden in the slammer over free speech makes

the city look guilty? Amazing, really. So very strange.

More on this at 10 a.m. on KNON 89.3 next Saturday (plug-plug-plug)

and in the paper next week. If nothing else, it's just kind of a weird

town, is it not?

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Edited February 25, 2013 by Don Roberdeau

[Guest Robert Morrow]

"Wade was ruling on the most recent arrest, which took place June 13,

2010, in which the city charged Groden with ... he was charged with

the offense of ... but that's part of the problem, isn't it? "

I actually witnessed the Groden arrest in person. It was appalling. The attitude of the cops, and they seemed to be very paid and very low quality cops, was nasty. Before they got to Groden they are harassing some other man near the back of the Pagoda and the parking lot.

We need to give Robert Groden and anyone else selling material on the Grassy Knoll our 100% support.

Robert Groden, who has been the victim of so much oppression by the city of Dallas, needs slap a whopping lawsuit verdict on their sorry asses of the city of Dallas. If it goes to trial, Groden will win and the city of Dallas will be smacked senseless.

The city of Dallas has been dangling some money trying to settle the case with Groden. But they have awakened a tiger and the ending is not going to be good for Dallas when this case is finally adjudicated. I think Groden will get at least $2 million in damages plus legal fees. It is possible it could get a lot worse than that.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Robert Morrow

[Mark Wengler]

With NDAA the government can pick up a person for any reason and hold that person for as long as they want. No Lawyer, No Trial, No Judge. That sounds like what is going on with Robert Groden the people who do not want him there. Say now we have this NDAA lets use it on the people who are talking about all of these crazy conspiracies and scare them away from Dealey Plaza

[Ian Kingsbury]

Very Orwellian , land of the free home of the slave!.

What has become of America?.

[Paul Baker]

When Groden got the film aired on television, a shocked national

audience saw President Kennedy's head clearly slammed in the opposite

direction it would have been pushed by a bullet from the sniper's

perch on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository.

It never ceases to amaze me how this fallacy is still bandied around, as if it is proof of a shot from the front-right. That if someone is shot, they will inevitably be pushed violently in the direction of the bullet, away from the shooter. A couple of minutes with a pen and the back of a cigarette packet can prove otherwise. Yet - it seems - the majority still believe this nonsense. The fallacy will never die, as long as there are conspiracy theorists like Groden et al to propagate it.

I'm sure that the first public airing of the Zapruder film convinced most Americans who saw it that JFK was shot from the front. Seeing the President slam backwards and to the left, that's a natural, instinctive conclusion to reach if you've watched too many make believe films. However, Groden should know better by now. Does he? He must be aware of the forward movement of JFK's head just before his brains exploded out of the front of his head, which is entirely consistent with a shot from behind.

If Groden keeps getting arrested or ticketed, is it because he's a threat? Of course not, because if he really were a threat he wouldn't keep getting arrested or ticketed, would he? I imagine there are public nuisance laws being enforced. That's probably too simple an explanation for most folks here.

Paul.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Paul Baker

[Martin White]

If Groden keeps getting arrested or ticketed, is it because he's a threat? Of course not, because if he really were a threat he wouldn't keep getting arrested or ticketed, would he? I imagine there are public nuisance laws being enforced. That's probably too simple an explanation for most folks here.

If there really were nuisance laws being enforced, then you'd think at least a couple of those 81 arrests/tickets would have stuck. 81 separate arrests/tickets without any legal merit would seem a pretty good definition of harassment to me. I have no doubt that Groden constitutes a nuisance to someone in Dallas, unfortunately the law doesn't seem to agree.

It appears as though someone is trying to stifle a different view being expressed to the eager public who gather in Dealey Plaza. The same people who have effectively locked down the Plaza for the 50th?

[Dawn Meredith]

I so agree Jim. That is why we must make sure we get thousands there for the 50th. Is Lancer being held the same time as COPA? So that people who want to do both or some of both can and maximize the people of the truth.

Erick and I will be attending COPA and staying at the Lawrence.

[Bernice Moore]

I believe now that Dealey Plaza has become JFK'S Spirit of Place......though it is and imo has been obvious for many years now, that the perpetrators of the lock down of the Plaza are extremely anxious to deter that well known fact, to the millions of visitors that have come and paid their respects..No matter how or what the elite group, whomever pulls the strings, laws, within their grasp, that is what they have been and are very afraid of, as they have realized such, many years ago.....When JFK was murdered and his brains,body fluids and matter flew to the left, and right through the power of force, those particles of JFK became a part of the Plaza, in otherwards they were obsorbed by the matter within the Plaza, it's ground etc.....therefore it became his Spirit of Place, and that can never be undone, no matter how many changes cosmetically they have, and will proceed to do in the future, as so many thousands of visitors have stated, when they visit they feel a bond, a feeling, to some a esp type, a soft sound, whatever one calls it, that he is there, they feel a reverance to the area.....That is what those within the controllers have been and will try to continue to destroy, but no matter how they do so they cannot, he is there, a part of him was left behind, and has become a part of all.....JFK'S Spirit of Place imo,is and has been scaring the hell out of them for nie on 50 years and will continue.....they can never change the fact that that feeling of reverance to the masses brings with it a hint of a holy place or such, and that they cannot abide with, they have and will scoff at such as they have in the past when mentioned, but they cannot change that fact....and that is what they feared it would become and has, for many years now...........imo....take care all.....b

Edited February 26, 2013 by Bernice Moore

[Michael Hogan]

If Groden keeps getting arrested or ticketed, is it because he's a threat? Of course not, because if he really were a threat he wouldn't keep getting arrested or ticketed, would he? I imagine there are public nuisance laws being enforced. [​Emphasis added] That's probably too simple an explanation for most folks here.

Paul Baker has a vivid imagination, unencumbered by such things as facts or reality.

[Bernice Moore]

IF it was such as being a public nuisance law that was broken, then why did the first judge and or whomever, find him innocent of all charges....in the past year each time he has appeared in court....??..b

Edited February 27, 2013 by Bernice Moore

[Paul Baker]

... after they have been to the equivalent of the Holocaust Denial Museum.

Jimbo, that's a bit over the top, isn't it? Even for you!

It appears as though someone is trying to stifle a different view being expressed to the eager public who gather in Dealey Plaza. The same people who have effectively locked down the Plaza for the 50th?

In spite of anyone yet being able to construct a coherent theory of conspiracy that is able to retain water, even given half a century, it nevertheless remains an unfortunate fact that most people agree that there was a conspiracy. So, Martin, I think someone is probably wasting their time and energy.

Edited February 26, 2013 by Paul Baker

[William Kelly]

... after they have been to the equivalent of the Holocaust Denial Museum.

Jimbo, that's a bit over the top, isn't it? Even for you!

It appears as though someone is trying to stifle a different view being expressed to the eager public who gather in Dealey Plaza. The same people who have effectively locked down the Plaza for the 50th?

In spite of anyone yet being able to construct a coherent theory of conspiracy that is able to retain water, even given half a century, it nevertheless remains an unfortunate fact that most people agree that there was a conspiracy. So, Martin, I think someone is probably wasting their time and energy.

There might be many conspiracy theories that not everyone agrees on, but one thing is clear - the assassination did not happen the way the official report says it did - and that one of the conspiracy theories - maybe one not yet enunciated - is the right one, since what really happened only happened one way.

And it is the job of independent researchers, journalists and historians to determine that truth, an honorable effort that is not a waste of energy and will someday prove true.

BK

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[Greg Burnham]

Although I've had my differences with Groden over the years, I applaud his effort and his courage to stand up against the censorship machine run amok. He is clearly being harassed by someone(s) for some reason. That Mr. Baker refuses to admit the obviousness of the situation, even if he disagrees with larger argument, speaks volumes. As the old saying goes: [at least] "Give the Devil his due." I know I have...

[William Kelly]

Although I've had my differences with Groden over the years, I applaud his effort and his courage to stand up against the censorship machine run amok. He is clearly being harassed by someone(s) for some reason. That Mr. Baker refuses to admit the obviousness of the situation, even if he disagrees with larger argument, speaks volumes. As the old saying goes: [at least] "Give the Devil his due." I know I have...

Thanks for bringing this back on topic Greg, I just couldn't let Baker's post go unanswered.

I too have had my differences with Groden, but he's a good guy and has done a lot for the case. I recall the summer he co-wrote a paperback with another guy F. Peter Model, in the mid-70s, The Case For Conspiracy

JFK: The Case For Conspiracy: F. Peter Model, Robert J. Groden: Amazon.com: Books

about the CIA Mafia plots to kill Castro.

It was the summer of 1977 and I was driving around in my '57 Chevy listening to the am radio when I heard him doing a live interview from a book store on Pacific Avenue in Atlantic City. I drove over there and met him and talked with him for the first time. Years later I got him to come to Ocean City to give a showing of the Z-film at the public library, and visited him at his home when he lived in suburban Philadelphia around the time of the Roscoe White fiasco.

Shortly after that he moved to Dallas, and I sat next to his son on a flight to Dallas and he gave me a ride to my hotel after a stop at his favorite barbecue joint. I always stop to say hello to him when I'm at Dealy Plaza, and he's usually there.

He usually gives a talk and/or presentation at Dallas COPA conferences and is a member in good standing of that tight group of critics who believe the Z-film is authentic.

My Dallas friends say I'm a good Yankee, one that goes home after visiting, and I'm sure that's part of why some of them don't like Robert.

But the one anniversary when there was almost a circus at Dealey Plaza - with guys dressed as clowns and a big giant balloon man, all of the "circus" acts were local Texans and not any one from COPA or those actually there for the memorial.

I'm glad he's winning in court and I hope that he makes a federal case out of it that is in session next November, that's where the circus will be - in Groden's Civil Rights court.

BK

[William Kelly]

Dawn, they just about overlap. Lancer begins one day earlier and ends one day earlier on the 24th.

Looking at the COPA billed speakers, I am very taken aback by the appearance of Judy Baker.

Don't know what to make of that at all.

I think they're even at the same hotel - the Adolophis - at least they coincide on one day.

I asked Judge about Baker and I think he said something about giving her some time to make her case and answer questions and I think the Trinday writers may go as a group.

And to keep this on topic - I'm pretty sure Groden is doing COPA and not Lancer though some people and presenters are doing both.

BK