Newseum displays "Oswald's shirt": Proof that he was Doorman!

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Have you even bothered to read the letter to FBI Headquarters, Robin? Why am I not surprised.

Notice the line reporting that, "He [Lovelady] stated that he was wearing a red and white vertically

striped shirt and blue jeans". That suggests they knew that Lovelady was wearing a red and white

vertically striped shirt, which of course they also photographed. They knew what shirt he'd worn.

Now read the second paragraph, which reports that numerous photographs of him in the doorway

have appeared in newspapers and such, where he confirmed his identity as the man on the left of

the image (namely, as Doorman). But the photos and shirt he was wearing contradicted that claim,

which they had to realize. They did not attempt to explain away this discrepancy but sent it along.

I will grant you that it was an absurd thing to do--unless you did not want to incur the wrath of Edgar,

who had a reputation of dealing severely with agents who did not perform. He wanted proof that the

man in the doorway was Billy Lovelady. Given what Billy had told them and the shirt he was wearing,

that was impossible. So they simply faked it. Read the letter! That's how they resolved the dilemma.

[Craig Lamson]

FWIW

I believe i see a white patch running down the center of his shirt as he turns around.

I will leave it to the forum members to decide which one of us is correct.

When confronted with that, the august members of the OIP, claimed...wait for it...the white was retouched in to make it LOOK like the shirt was open. LMAO!

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Robin Unger thinks that the man in the checkered shirt is the same man in the doorway, which I

deny. Does anyone have any serious doubt about it? And he's an expert on photos? Note the

man in doorway has his shirt open at least to mid-body, which this man does not; and the man

in the checkered shirt does not look anything like Billy Lovelady. Is this Robin's idea of a joke?

Edited February 28, 2013 by James H. Fetzer

[Craig Lamson]

Have you even bothered to read the letter to FBI Headquarters, Robin? Why am I not surprised.

Notice the line reporting that, "He [Lovelady] stated that he was wearing a red and white vertically

striped shirt and blue jeans". That suggests they knew that Lovelady was wearing a red and white

vertically striped shirt, which of course they also photographed. They knew what shirt he'd worn.

Now read the second paragraph, which reports that numerous photographs of him in the doorway

have appeared in newspapers and such, where he confirmed his identity as the man on the left of

the image (namely, as Doorman). But the photos and shirt he was wearing contradicted that claim,

which they had to realize. They did not attempt to explain away this discrepancy but sent it along.

I will grant you that it was an absurd thing to do--unless you did not want to incur the wrath of Edgar,

who had a reputation of dealing severely with agents who did not perform. He wanted proof that the

man in the doorway was Billy Lovelady. Given what Billy had told them and the shirt he was wearing,

that was impossible. So they simply faked it. Read the letter! That's how they resolved the dilemma.

Nothing absurd about it at all. They reported exactly what they saw and what they were told.

The only thing fake here is your claim they faked it.

Edited February 28, 2013 by Craig Lamson

[Craig Lamson]

Robin Unger thinks that the man in the checkered shirt is the same man in the doorway, which I

deny. Does anyone have any serious doubt about it? And he's an expert on photos? UNREAL.

anyone have any serious d

Robin is correect, you are wrong.

[Robin Unger]

Quote:

Have you even bothered to read the letter to FBI Headquarters, Robin?

Stupid question

of course i read the letter.

How else would i now the details i included in my posts.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Quote:

Have you even bothered to read the letter to FBI Headquarters, Robin?

Stupid question

of course i read the letter.

How else would i now the details i included in my posts.

Well, Robin, have you noticed the inconsistency between

the first paragraph and the second? I mean, give us a

break. In the first paragraph, last sentence, they note

that he was wearing the red and white vertically striped

short sleeved shirt. YOU NOTICE THAT, RIGHT? And

in the second paragraph, they insist that he was the man

in the doorway. YOU NOTICE THAT, TOO, RIGHT? So

how else are we to explain the implicit contradiction--

because the man in the doorway IS NOT WEARING A

RED AND WHITE VERTICALLY STRIPED SHIRT. So I

am at a loss as to why you think I am insulting you. The

stance you and Lamson are taking is completely absurd.

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

This is such an exceptionally clear illustration of the irrationality

being displayed on this forum by some of its members, which is

something they do AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. A letter from

FBI Dallas to FBI Headquarters is implicitly inconsistent, yet Robin

Unger does not want to admit it. The man in the checkered shirt

is OBVIOUSLY NOT the man in the doorway, yet he and Lamson

both want to deny it. The man in the checkered shirt doesn't even

look REMOTELY LIKE Billy Lovelady, yet they would have members

of this forum BELIEVE THAT IT IS BILLY LOVELADY. I can explain

these things till I am blue in the face, but Lamson and Unger, alas,

are not going to admit EVEN THE MOST BLATANT PROOF that they

are wrong and that neither the man in the checkered shirt nor Billy

Lovelady were the man in the doorway, because that would be to

acknowledge that Ralph, Richard and I are right, which they turn

out to be unwilling to do NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE. So

you can choose: be anti-Ralph/Richard/Jim or admit that neither

Lovelady nor the man in the checkered shirt was doorman and

that there is overwhelming evidence that it was Lee H. Oswald!

[Robin Unger]

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And he's an expert on photos?

Lets clear this one up right now !

I have NEVER said to anybody that i am a photo expert.

I AM NOT

I am just a normal bloke sitting in his kitchen in Australia,

No formal training in photographics, or photography.

I learn't to use computer software graphics programs like photoshop by teaching myself ( trial and error until i perfected it )

[Guest James H. Fetzer]

Quote:

And he's an expert on photos?

Lets clear this one up right now !

I have NEVER said to anybody that i am a photo expert.

I AM NOT

I am just a normal bloke sitting in his kitchen in Australia,

No formal training in photographics, or photography.

I learn't to use computer software graphics programs like photoshop by teaching myself ( trial and error until i perfected it )

Well, Robin, have you noticed the inconsistency between

the first paragraph and the second? I mean, give us a

break. In the first paragraph, last sentence, they note

that he was wearing the red and white vertically striped

short sleeved shirt. YOU NOTICE THAT, RIGHT? And

in the second paragraph, they insist that he was the man

in the doorway. YOU NOTICE THAT, TOO, RIGHT? So

how else are we to explain the implicit contradiction--

because the man in the doorway IS NOT WEARING A

RED AND WHITE VERTICALLY STRIPED SHIRT. So I

am at a loss as to why you think I am insulting you. The

stance you and Lamson are taking is completely absurd.

[Craig Lamson]

Well, Robin, have you noticed the inconsistency between

the first paragraph and the second? I mean, give us a

break. In the first paragraph, last sentence, they note

that he was wearing the red and white vertically striped

short sleeved shirt. YOU NOTICE THAT, RIGHT?

No read again... "HE (Lovelady) STATED he was wearing a red and white .....

And in the second paragraph, they insist that he was the man

in the doorway. YOU NOTICE THAT, TOO, RIGHT?

Wrong again. Now wonder you do so poorly at all of this, you can't read and comprehend.

Again..."LOVELADY STATED..."

Sheesh.

Edited February 28, 2013 by Craig Lamson

[Robin Unger]

Quote:

Well, Robin, have you noticed the inconsistency between

the first paragraph and the second? I mean, give us a

break. In the first paragraph, last sentence, they note

that he was wearing the red and white vertically striped

short sleeved shirt. YOU NOTICE THAT, RIGHT? And

in the second paragraph, they insist that he was the man

in the doorway. YOU NOTICE THAT, TOO, RIGHT? So

how else are we to explain the implicit contradiction--

because the man in the doorway IS NOT WEARING A

RED AND WHITE VERTICALLY STRIPED SHIRT. So I

That is exactly what i originally posted, which is why i asked the question.

Question.

Why didn't the FBI then immediately notice the OBVIOUS difference between the two shirts, and ask Lovelady about the glaring difference between the shirts in the two photo's.

[Martin White]

The exhibited shirt looks (to me anyway) more like the doorman shirt than the checked shirt which Lovelady may or may not have been wearing. That is not to say that I think the exhibited shirt IS the Doorman shirt. I think there appears to be several inconsistencies, however these may be explained by cleaning/pressing.

The Doorman shirt looks nothing like the vertically striped shirt that Lovelady was pictured wearing.

Neither shirt that Lovelady is alleged to have worn on the day looks like the Doorman shirt to me.

And if I may ask what might be an embarrassing (to me) question - did not Oswald change his shirt at his rooming house after leaving the TSBD? If this is the case, then the shirt Oswald was wearing when arrested was not the shirt he wore to work that morning.

[Robin Unger]

Also, in future if you wan't someone to read a document you have posted online.

please post it in a decent Resolution, so i don't have to use a magnifying glass to read it.

Quote:

Well, Robin, have you noticed the inconsistency between

the first paragraph and the second? I mean, give us a

break. In the first paragraph, last sentence, they note

that he was wearing the red and white vertically striped

short sleeved shirt. YOU NOTICE THAT, RIGHT?

On the contrary, the letter say's red and white vertical striped shirt, there is no mention of ( SHORT SLEEVES )

the photo may show short sleeves but the letter to hoover doesn't mention it

More FBI deception

They new full well, that doorman is wearing a long sleeve shirt.

Edited February 28, 2013 by Robin Unger

[Robin Unger]

Lovelady FBI Colorized

Edited March 1, 2013 by Robin Unger