Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) They didn't have a better option. They needed someone in a darkish shirt who might be cast in the role. Unfortunately, he didn't have Billy's face or his cranium or his ears; he didn't look like Doorman, either, where his build is too bulky and he is bursting out of his shirt, while Doorman's is hanging loosely and, of course, is splayed open, while his was buttoned up. It was not very good, but the best they could do with a limited range of choices. Then they tried to fix Billy up to look more like Checkered Shirt Man by photographing him in a checkered shirt, but they botched that, too, with splices and a phony left arm. I am afraid it was one of those situations where bad went to worse--and they only hoped that no one would bother to take a closer look. Let me say, David, that yours is one of the better posts about this. I wonder why the plotters were so stupid as to place an "Imposter Lovelady" into film footage who, per Fetzer, looked NOTHING like the person he was supposed to be impersonating. Why did they do that, James F.? Edited March 5, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) I've already addressed that one, Robin. You wouldn't want me to repeat myself. Now this, I take it, IS your work. What kind of saps do you take us for? This white blob looks like the shirt of someone who is standing near Checkered Shirt Man, but surely you don't want us to believe THAT IT'S HIM? What did he do--suddenly rip his shirt open? This has to be one of your most pathetic posts ever! Tell me Jim Who is the man seen in Chris Davidsons B/W DPD GIF sitting in the chair as Oswald is paraded by him. Is that Gorilla Lovelady from Martin / Hughes ? Is it the real Lovelady ? Or is he a completely different Lovelady ? Enquiring minds would like to know ! Edited March 5, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum. But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt. Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else Edited March 5, 2013 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath you. Much of the proof that his shirt was buttoned to the top comes from the video you never tire of showing. If you now want to impeach your own evidence, be my guest. But there is no good reason to think that he would have had an shirt that was UNBOTTONED when he was in the doorway and BUTTONED when he was captured on film only to be UNBUTTONED AGAIN. This is going beyond the bounds of sanity. No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum. But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt. Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else Edited March 5, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Quote I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath you. I don't need to shift the burden of proof, i am completely satisfied with the post just as i presented It It is you Jim who are challenging my presentation, therefore the burden of proof is on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Robin, you are AGAIN making yourself look like a idiot. There can be no doubt that your role here is obfuscation, not clarification. Doorman was not Billy Lovelady and was not Checkered Shirt Man. Worm and weasel all you want, that won't change the truth of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath you. Much of the proof that his shirt was buttoned to the top comes from the video you never tire of showing. If you now want to impeach your own evidence, be my guest. But there is no good reason to think that he would have had an shirt that was UNBOTTONED when he was in the doorway and BUTTONED when he was captured on film only to be UNBUTTONED AGAIN. This is going beyond the bounds of sanity. No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum. But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt. Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else Robin, don't you know the above photo, showing the shirt open and the T shirt exposed, has been altered to prove that it wasn't Lovelady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Who knows what that blip of white is supposed to be? Were it anyone but Robin Unger in a debate with me, NO ONE would take it seriously. Let me ask you, Ray, since you are here, my two very simple questions: (1) Is Dooman wearing a short-sleeved shirt? YES or NO (2) Is Doorman's shirt buttoned up to the top? YES or NO Not to mention that Doorman and Checkered Shirt Man LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. I mean, how far is this absurdity suppose to be taken? REALLY! David Von Pein is looking like Einstein compared with the rest of you! This is INCREDIBLE. I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath you. Much of the proof that his shirt was buttoned to the top comes from the video you never tire of showing. If you now want to impeach your own evidence, be my guest. But there is no good reason to think that he would have had an shirt that was UNBOTTONED when he was in the doorway and BUTTONED when he was captured on film only to be UNBUTTONED AGAIN. This is going beyond the bounds of sanity. No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum. But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt. Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else Robin, don't you know the above photo, showing the shirt open and the T shirt exposed, has been altered to prove that it wasn't Lovelady? Edited March 5, 2013 by James H. Fetzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) If anyone looks very closely at the chest part of Lovelady's shirt during the whole clip, they will see it was unbuttoned. See that very white, vertical "stripe" which is broader at the bottom than at the top and is closer to his belly than his neck? (It's visible just before he starts turning his head back to the right.) That's his T-shirt! Note too: Lovelady was smoking and exhaled and/or coughed after taking a puff, thereby distorting his face. See also Chris Davidson's great Hughes' film "thumbnail" in post #63 of Dr. Fetzer's "Oswald's Shirt" thread... --Tommy bumped for those members and guests who may have "missed" it Edited March 5, 2013 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Davidson Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I've already addressed that one, Robin. You wouldn't want me to repeat myself. Now this, I take it, IS your work. What kind of saps do you take us for? This white blob looks like the shirt of someone who is standing near Checkered Shirt Man, but surely you don't want us to believe THAT IT'S HIM? What did he do--suddenly rip his shirt open? This has to be one of your most pathetic posts ever! Tell me Jim Who is the man seen in Chris Davidsons B/W DPD GIF sitting in the chair as Oswald is paraded by him. Is that Gorilla Lovelady from Martin / Hughes ? Is it the real Lovelady ? Or is he a completely different Lovelady ? Enquiring minds would like to know ! Jim, http://www.sendspace.com/file/3gxprl Click on the "Click here to start download from sendspace" link to download file. I've created a stabilized gif from the Hughes movie. It is nobody else's open white shirt but Lovelady's or lookalike Lovelady or however you want to reference it. imo I supplied a nice frame from this clip earlier in this thread for you. chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) If anyone looks very closely at the chest part of Lovelady's shirt during the whole clip, they will see it was unbuttoned. See that very white, vertical "stripe" which is broader at the bottom than at the top and is closer to his belly than his neck? (It's visible just before he starts turning his head back to the right.) That's his T-shirt! Also note that Lovelady was smoking and that he exhaled and/or coughed after taking a puff, thereby distorting his face. See also Chris Davidson's great Hughes' film "thumbnail" in post #63 of Dr. Fetzer's "Oswald's Shirt" thread... --Tommy bumped for those members and guests who may have "missed" it bump Edited March 6, 2013 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The arguments that show Doorman has to have been Oswald are based upon observation, comparison and reasoning. I break them down into four VERY SIMPLE ARGUMENTS, which I have no doubt will not penetrate minds that are impenetrable. The first argument, for example, is based on observation: (1) Doorman's was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features. Oswald was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features. Therefore, Oswald's shirt makes him a strong candidate for Doorman. The second is based upon observation, the FBI photographs and report, and the principle of identity (the same person cannot be wearing a short- sleeved shirt and a long-sleeved shirt at one and the same time), namely: (2) Doorman was not wearing a short-sleeved shirt. Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeved shirt. Therefore, Lovelady was not Doorman. The third argument is based upon observation and the same principle of identity, where the differences between them are rather easy to observe: (3) Doorman had a shirt that was splayed open. Checkered Shirt Man was not splayed open. Therefore, Checkered Shirt Man is not Doorman. The fourth argument is a simple deductive argument by elimination as follows: (4) Doorman was Oswald or Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man. But Doorman was not Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man. Therefore, Doorman was Oswald. Scientific reasoning is based upon hypothesis formation, observation, and both deductive and inductive reasoning. There is nothing about them that ought to challenge a reasonable mind. Moreover, we have further proof that Lovelady and Checkered Shirt Man were not at the same places at the same times, i.e., Further comparisons reveal our critics would have Checkered Man's shirt open and closed at the same time: There is much more, of course, but if any of you still want to disprove the conclusion that Oswald was Doorman, then you need to dispute either the truth of the premises or the reliability of the reasoning to their conclusions. So point out which premises or reasoning you dispute or else accept the conclusion. But only if you want to qualify your position as "rational", which doesn't seem to matter to most of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 The arguments that show Doorman has to have been Oswald are based upon observation, comparison and reasoning. I break them down into four VERY SIMPLE ARGUMENTS, which I have no doubt will not penetrate minds that are impenetrable. The first argument, for example, is based on observation: (1) Doorman's was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features. Oswald was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features. Therefore, Oswald's shirt makes him a strong candidate for Doorman. Agreed. The second is based upon observation, the FBI photographs and report, and the principle of identity (the same person cannot be wearing a short- sleeved shirt and a long-sleeved shirt at one and the same time), namely: (2) Doorman was not wearing a short-sleeved shirt. Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeved shirt. Therefore, Lovelady was not Doorman. Incorrect. Lovelady told the FBI he was wearing a short sleeved striped shirt. he was wrong. The third argument is based upon observation and the same principle of identity, where the differences between them are rather easy to observe: (3) Doorman had a shirt that was splayed open. Checkered Shirt Man was not splayed open. Therefore, Checkered Shirt Man is not Doorman. Incorrect. Other photographs show that "Checkered shirt man's" shirt is open as "doorway man" The fourth argument is a simple deductive argument by elimination as follows: (4) Doorman was Oswald or Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man. But Doorman was not Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man. Therefore, Doorman was Oswald. False deductions from incorrect assumptions. The rest of the post was the usual psychobabble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I wonder why the plotters were so stupid as to place an "Imposter Lovelady" into film footage who, per Fetzer, looked NOTHING like the person he was supposed to be impersonating. Why did they do that, James F.? Can this get any more Looney Toons David asks a very reasonable question, I wonder why the plotters were so stupid as to place an "Imposter Lovelady" into film footage who, per Fetzer, looked NOTHING like the person he was supposed to be impersonating to which Jim Fetzer replies They didn't have a better option. They needed someone in a darkish shirt who might be cast in the role. Unfortunately, he didn't have Billy's face or his cranium or his ears; he didn't look like Doorman, either, where his build is too bulky and he is bursting out of his shirt, while Doorman's is hanging loosely and, of course, is splayed open, while his was buttoned up. It was not very good, but the best they could do with a limited range of choices. Then they tried to fix Billy up to look more like Checkered Shirt Man by photographing him in a checkered shirt, but they botched that, too, with splices and a phony left arm. I am afraid it was one of those situations where bad went to worse--and they only hoped that no one would bother to take a closer look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest James H. Fetzer Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 What is TRULY "looney toones" is dismissing every new study we produce that provide more and more proof of fakery regarding Billy Lovelady in the "checkered shirt" and that images were introduced into some of the films: But of course I have learned that, the stronger the proof, the greater the resistance, so I don't really expect any change in position from those who long since made up their minds. Here's more proof of use of flimflammery: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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