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Guest James H. Fetzer

They didn't have a better option. They needed someone in a darkish shirt who might be cast in the role.

Unfortunately, he didn't have Billy's face or his cranium or his ears; he didn't look like Doorman, either,

where his build is too bulky and he is bursting out of his shirt, while Doorman's is hanging loosely and,

of course, is splayed open, while his was buttoned up. It was not very good, but the best they could do

with a limited range of choices. Then they tried to fix Billy up to look more like Checkered Shirt Man by

photographing him in a checkered shirt, but they botched that, too, with splices and a phony left arm.

I am afraid it was one of those situations where bad went to worse--and they only hoped that no one

would bother to take a closer look. Let me say, David, that yours is one of the better posts about this.

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I wonder why the plotters were so stupid as to place an "Imposter Lovelady" into film footage who, per Fetzer, looked NOTHING like the person he was supposed to be impersonating.

Why did they do that, James F.?

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I've already addressed that one, Robin. You wouldn't want me to repeat myself. Now this, I take it,

IS your work. What kind of saps do you take us for? This white blob looks like the shirt of someone

who is standing near Checkered Shirt Man, but surely you don't want us to believe THAT IT'S HIM?

What did he do--suddenly rip his shirt open? This has to be one of your most pathetic posts ever!

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Tell me Jim

Who is the man seen in Chris Davidsons B/W DPD GIF sitting in the chair as Oswald is paraded by him.

Is that Gorilla Lovelady from Martin / Hughes ?

Is it the real Lovelady ?

Or is he a completely different Lovelady ?

Enquiring minds would like to know !

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No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum.

But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt.

Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else

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I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath

you. Much of the proof that his shirt was buttoned to the top comes

from the video you never tire of showing. If you now want to impeach

your own evidence, be my guest. But there is no good reason to think

that he would have had an shirt that was UNBOTTONED when he was

in the doorway and BUTTONED when he was captured on film only to

be UNBUTTONED AGAIN. This is going beyond the bounds of sanity.

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No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum.

But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt.

Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else

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I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath you.

I don't need to shift the burden of proof, i am completely satisfied with the post just as i presented It

It is you Jim who are challenging my presentation, therefore the burden of proof is on you

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Guest James H. Fetzer

Robin, you are AGAIN making yourself look like a idiot. There can be no doubt that your

role here is obfuscation, not clarification. Doorman was not Billy Lovelady and was not

Checkered Shirt Man. Worm and weasel all you want, that won't change the truth of it!

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I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath

you. Much of the proof that his shirt was buttoned to the top comes

from the video you never tire of showing. If you now want to impeach

your own evidence, be my guest. But there is no good reason to think

that he would have had an shirt that was UNBOTTONED when he was

in the doorway and BUTTONED when he was captured on film only to

be UNBUTTONED AGAIN. This is going beyond the bounds of sanity.

VTS_02_3.gif

No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum.

But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt.

Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else

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Robin, don't you know the above photo, showing the shirt open and the T shirt exposed, has been altered to prove that it wasn't Lovelady? :D

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Who knows what that blip of white is supposed to be? Were it anyone

but Robin Unger in a debate with me, NO ONE would take it seriously.

Let me ask you, Ray, since you are here, my two very simple questions:

(1) Is Dooman wearing a short-sleeved shirt? YES or NO

(2) Is Doorman's shirt buttoned up to the top? YES or NO

Not to mention that Doorman and Checkered Shirt Man LOOK NOTHING

ALIKE. I mean, how far is this absurdity suppose to be taken? REALLY!

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David Von Pein is looking like Einstein compared with the rest of you! This is INCREDIBLE.

I am sorry, Robin, but shifting the burden of proof ought to be beneath

you. Much of the proof that his shirt was buttoned to the top comes

from the video you never tire of showing. If you now want to impeach

your own evidence, be my guest. But there is no good reason to think

that he would have had an shirt that was UNBOTTONED when he was

in the doorway and BUTTONED when he was captured on film only to

be UNBUTTONED AGAIN. This is going beyond the bounds of sanity.

VTS_02_3.gif

No it is not my work, it came from Duncan's forum.

But if you are suggesting that the white blob is not his t-shirt.

Then you need to show us what it is, not just say it's something else

post-2389-0-66174900-1362377522_thumb.jpg

Robin, don't you know the above photo, showing the shirt open and the T shirt exposed, has been altered to prove that it wasn't Lovelady? :D

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If anyone looks very closely at the chest part of Lovelady's shirt during the whole clip, they will see it was unbuttoned. See that very white, vertical "stripe" which is broader at the bottom than at the top and is closer to his belly than his neck? (It's visible just before he starts turning his head back to the right.) That's his T-shirt! Note too: Lovelady was smoking and exhaled and/or coughed after taking a puff, thereby distorting his face.

See also Chris Davidson's great Hughes' film "thumbnail" in post #63 of Dr. Fetzer's "Oswald's Shirt" thread...

--Tommy :sun

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I've already addressed that one, Robin. You wouldn't want me to repeat myself. Now this, I take it,

IS your work. What kind of saps do you take us for? This white blob looks like the shirt of someone

who is standing near Checkered Shirt Man, but surely you don't want us to believe THAT IT'S HIM?

What did he do--suddenly rip his shirt open? This has to be one of your most pathetic posts ever!

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Tell me Jim

Who is the man seen in Chris Davidsons B/W DPD GIF sitting in the chair as Oswald is paraded by him.

Is that Gorilla Lovelady from Martin / Hughes ?

Is it the real Lovelady ?

Or is he a completely different Lovelady ?

Enquiring minds would like to know !

post-2389-0-00633900-1362461781_thumb.gif

Jim,

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3gxprl

Click on the "Click here to start download from sendspace" link to download file.

I've created a stabilized gif from the Hughes movie.

It is nobody else's open white shirt but Lovelady's or lookalike Lovelady or however you want to reference it. imo

I supplied a nice frame from this clip earlier in this thread for you.

chris

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If anyone looks very closely at the chest part of Lovelady's shirt during the whole clip, they will see it was unbuttoned. See that very white, vertical "stripe" which is broader at the bottom than at the top and is closer to his belly than his neck? (It's visible just before he starts turning his head back to the right.) That's his T-shirt! Also note that Lovelady was smoking and that he exhaled and/or coughed after taking a puff, thereby distorting his face.

See also Chris Davidson's great Hughes' film "thumbnail" in post #63 of Dr. Fetzer's "Oswald's Shirt" thread...

--Tommy :sun

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Guest James H. Fetzer

The arguments that show Doorman has to have been Oswald are based upon

observation, comparison and reasoning. I break them down into four VERY

SIMPLE ARGUMENTS, which I have no doubt will not penetrate minds that

are impenetrable. The first argument, for example, is based on observation:

(1) Doorman's was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features.

Oswald was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features.

Therefore, Oswald's shirt makes him a strong candidate for Doorman.

The second is based upon observation, the FBI photographs and report,

and the principle of identity (the same person cannot be wearing a short-

sleeved shirt and a long-sleeved shirt at one and the same time), namely:

(2) Doorman was not wearing a short-sleeved shirt.

Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeved shirt.

Therefore, Lovelady was not Doorman.

The third argument is based upon observation and the same principle of

identity, where the differences between them are rather easy to observe:

(3) Doorman had a shirt that was splayed open.

Checkered Shirt Man was not splayed open.

Therefore, Checkered Shirt Man is not Doorman.

The fourth argument is a simple deductive argument by elimination as follows:

(4) Doorman was Oswald or Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man.

But Doorman was not Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man.

Therefore, Doorman was Oswald.

Scientific reasoning is based upon hypothesis formation, observation, and both

deductive and inductive reasoning. There is nothing about them that ought to

challenge a reasonable mind. Moreover, we have further proof that Lovelady

and Checkered Shirt Man were not at the same places at the same times, i.e.,

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Further comparisons reveal our critics would have Checkered Man's shirt open and closed at the same time:

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There is much more, of course, but if any of you still want to disprove the conclusion that Oswald was

Doorman, then you need to dispute either the truth of the premises or the reliability of the reasoning to

their conclusions. So point out which premises or reasoning you dispute or else accept the conclusion.

But only if you want to qualify your position as "rational", which doesn't seem to matter to most of you.

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The arguments that show Doorman has to have been Oswald are based upon

observation, comparison and reasoning. I break them down into four VERY

SIMPLE ARGUMENTS, which I have no doubt will not penetrate minds that

are impenetrable. The first argument, for example, is based on observation:

(1) Doorman's was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features.

Oswald was wearing a long sleeved shirt with distinctive features.

Therefore, Oswald's shirt makes him a strong candidate for Doorman.

Agreed.

The second is based upon observation, the FBI photographs and report,

and the principle of identity (the same person cannot be wearing a short-

sleeved shirt and a long-sleeved shirt at one and the same time), namely:

(2) Doorman was not wearing a short-sleeved shirt.

Lovelady was wearing a short-sleeved shirt.

Therefore, Lovelady was not Doorman.

Incorrect. Lovelady told the FBI he was wearing a short sleeved striped shirt. he was wrong.

The third argument is based upon observation and the same principle of

identity, where the differences between them are rather easy to observe:

(3) Doorman had a shirt that was splayed open.

Checkered Shirt Man was not splayed open.

Therefore, Checkered Shirt Man is not Doorman.

Incorrect. Other photographs show that "Checkered shirt man's" shirt is open as "doorway man"

The fourth argument is a simple deductive argument by elimination as follows:

(4) Doorman was Oswald or Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man.

But Doorman was not Lovelady or Checkered Shirt Man.

Therefore, Doorman was Oswald.

False deductions from incorrect assumptions.

The rest of the post was the usual psychobabble.

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I wonder why the plotters were so stupid as to place an "Imposter Lovelady" into film footage who, per Fetzer, looked NOTHING like the person he was supposed to be impersonating.

Why did they do that, James F.?

Can this get any more Looney Toons

David asks a very reasonable question,

I wonder why the plotters were so stupid as to place an "Imposter Lovelady" into film footage who, per Fetzer, looked NOTHING like the person he was supposed to be impersonating

to which Jim Fetzer replies

They didn't have a better option. They needed someone in a darkish shirt who might be cast in the role.

Unfortunately, he didn't have Billy's face or his cranium or his ears; he didn't look like Doorman, either,

where his build is too bulky and he is bursting out of his shirt, while Doorman's is hanging loosely and,

of course, is splayed open, while his was buttoned up. It was not very good, but the best they could do

with a limited range of choices. Then they tried to fix Billy up to look more like Checkered Shirt Man by

photographing him in a checkered shirt, but they botched that, too, with splices and a phony left arm.

I am afraid it was one of those situations where bad went to worse--and they only hoped that no one

would bother to take a closer look

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Guest James H. Fetzer

What is TRULY "looney toones" is dismissing every new study we produce

that provide more and more proof of fakery regarding Billy Lovelady in the

"checkered shirt" and that images were introduced into some of the films:

LOVELADY+-+SLOPPY+COLORIZATION.jpg

But of course I have learned that, the stronger the proof, the greater the

resistance, so I don't really expect any change in position from those who

long since made up their minds. Here's more proof of use of flimflammery:

Lovelady+PD+painted.jpg

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