Oswald Leaving TSBD?

[Sean Murphy]

To recapitulate:

Oswald comes down from the fifth or sixth floor shortly after noon.

He goes for lunch in the first-floor domino room and picks up his apple and cheese sandwich.

Several minutes before the assassination, he goes upstairs to the second-floor lunchroom and buys a coke.

He brings the coke downstairs and, hearing the crescendo of applause and cheering for the motorcade, goes out onto the front steps.

Everyone else's attention is naturally riveted on the motorcade and then the loud bangs; Oswald's presence goes unnoticed.

Within seconds of the last shot, Marrion Baker has dismounted and is dashing to the front entrance of the TSBD.

Oswald's hands are down from his mouth as he begins to take in what's going on:

Baker reaches the front door and, needing directions for the stairs, notices Oswald and asks him if he works there.

Before Oswald can answer, Roy Truly arrives at the front lobby and offers to escort Baker upstairs.

Oswald at some point goes into the small storage room located just off the front lobby.

He is noticed in there by Ochus Campbell and Jeraldean Reid as that pair are re-entering the building to take the front stairs to the second-floor office.

**

How do we get from all that to this?:

The red part is easy:

Baker is covering the time of his fleeting encounter with Oswald.

But he has no reason to remember Oswald--or, even if he does remember him, to single either the man or the encounter out for special mention.

He has, after all, got a much bigger fish to fry:

As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

**

If there is one question as momentous as, Where was Oswald at the time of the assassination?, it is surely:

Did Baker encounter a man other than Oswald, a man fitting the above description, who was evidently coming down the rear stairway on (in the words of Marvin Johnson, who took Baker's affidavit) "about the fourth floor"?

There are strong arguments to be made both ways but on balance--and I'm very much open to persuasion on this--I believe a close textual analysis of Baker's affidavit statement points to the answer: no, he didn't.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Sean Murphy

[J. Raymond Carroll]

There are strong arguments to be made both ways but on balance--and I'm very much open to persuasion on this--I believe a close textual analysis of Baker's affidavit statement points to the answer: no, he didn't.

Bravo, Sean!

A virtuoso performance!

But remember that I am the class dunce and explain to me slowly,

are you saying this is

NOT WHAT HAPPENED?

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Mick Jagger just phoned to say how much he is enjoying the thread.

Murphy is My Main Man, he said.

Mick asked me to say that the Wild Colonial Boy was especially for Robin Unger.

He says he hopes to see Robin in New Ross

but he said nothing about helping anyone with airfares.

Mick says him and Keith Richards do not beleive the official story either, as we all must have known from the official version of

Sympathy For the Devil.

I shouted out, Who Killed the Kennedys? When after all it was you and me but not Prayer Man Lee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRXGsPBUV5g

[J. Raymond Carroll]

This thread has gone quiet.

It has been hectic and Homeric for the past few weeks,

and everyone deserves to take a break.

But this thread still belongs at number one

and I will put it back there,

if only for a little while,

with this next song.

Elvis Presley always said that Ed Sullivan put him on the map,

and many other greats have said the same,

including Tommy Makem and the Clancy brothers.

I love Jaggers version of The Wild Colonial Boy,

but Makem and the Clancy's live version on the Ed Sullivan Show

remains my favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3QJPxiLOPo

I am happy to say that my great and good friend Bob Dylan

agrees with me. More on Dylan later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5TUg1bdqM

The final Gaelic quote means

SAFE HOME MY FRIEND

Liam clancy's signature sign off

at the end of every concert.

But he forgot to say it

at the end of this next video

from the classic Dylan Tribute concert.

Tommy Makem should have been a politician:

He loved shaking hands.

Bobby Clancy, who stayed in Ireland

makes a rare appearance with his brothers,

Liam, Paddy and Tom, who served in the British army,

unless I am mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emlbdTluHVk

Edited August 30, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[J. Raymond Carroll]

The Irish are no better than anybody else but nobody is better than us.

Nobody can deny that we know how to do

a funeral,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUgEYl4V_AE

[J. Raymond Carroll]

My great and good friend Bobby Dylan

takes forever to return calls,

but he finally got back to me from Tierra Del Fuego

where he has gone fishin, if you can believe that.

Bob says this thread is nothing really knew

and he has said so all along,

in this next song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFm7SqARrk

I see my light come shining

from the west unto the east

of the TSBD door.....

Edited August 30, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Robert Prudhomme]

Lovely rendition of an old classic. Almost brings tears to the eyes when the lad hits the high notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfkGocmCiE

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Lovely rendition of an old classic. Almost brings tears to the eyes when the lad hits the high notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfkGocmCiE

What the Hell, Robert

if you want to make it Irish night

I can one-up you.

G.K Chesterson was speaking about the Kelly clan,

I believe -- or maybe it was the Murphys --

when he said

all their wars were merry

and all their songs were sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuznaEyzBzs

I just got an email from the bold Eric.

He wants to know the date

of the New Ross Symposium.

Eric says he wants to shake Sean Murphy's hand

so he can tell everyone who shakes HIS hand

that they shook the hand of the man who shook the hand

of the man who found Prayer Man.

Edited August 30, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Robert Prudhomme]

This could be a long night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgQCPifM-p8

[J. Raymond Carroll]

This song is dedicated

to Robin Unger and all the great Aussies

who have contributed so much

to the JFK inquiry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg

So they gave me a tin hat

and they gave me a gun,

and they sent me away to the war.

Written by a Scotsman

and sung by an Irishman,

an Australian song!

Edited August 30, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Bob Dylan stole this melody, and some of the lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g5vm2mLb2c

Edited August 30, 2013 by J. Raymond Carroll

[J. Raymond Carroll]

This could be a long night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgQCPifM-p8

Thanks for posting this, Robert.

I grew up in a home

where John McCormack was on Mount Rushmore.

As a kid i heard stories about the 1932 Eucharistic Congress in Dublin

where John McCormack sang Panis Angelicus

Bread of Angels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z58pq6OYxzg

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Although Chinese food may not be the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Ireland, the country is home to some really great Chinese restaurants. Maybe best known as the birthplace of John McCormack, the great Irish tenor, Athlone is also known as the hub of Chinese dining in the midlands of Westmeath. So many good Chinese eateries are scattered throughout the city that it'd be hard not to have a fantastic meal while in Athlone.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_6185131_chinese-restaurants-athlone_-ireland.html#ixzz2dPukhbBR

My brother Patrick treated me to a fabulous dinner here, at John McCormack's birthplace. I just got back from Shanghai

where the food and the people are great,

so I think what we need now

is another song by John.

I was born in county Tipperary,

a place he knew right well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPLS5nNFWTU

[Robert Prudhomme]

This song is dedicated

to Robin Unger and all the great Aussies

who have contributed so much

to the JFK inquiry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFCekeoSTwg

So they gave me a tin hat

and they gave me a gun,

and they sent me away to the war.

Written by a Scotsman

and sung by an Irishman,

an Australian song!

A tribute to the brilliant leadership of the British in the First World War. As former British Prime Minister David Lloyd George said in those dark days, "God protect us from the British Army Officer Corps." We Canadians suffered mightily under their direction, too, in well planned debacles such as the Battle of the Somme in 1916.

In that spirit, here is a fine version of another old classic by the Clancy Brothers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Cxw9fMl0M

[Robert Prudhomme]

Although Chinese food may not be the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Ireland, the country is home to some really great Chinese restaurants. Maybe best known as the birthplace of John McCormack, the great Irish tenor, Athlone is also known as the hub of Chinese dining in the midlands of Westmeath. So many good Chinese eateries are scattered throughout the city that it'd be hard not to have a fantastic meal while in Athlone.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_6185131_chinese-restaurants-athlone_-ireland.html#ixzz2dPukhbBR

My brother Patrick treated me to a fabulous dinner here, at John McCormack's birthplace. I just got back from Shanghai

where the food and the people are great,

so I think what we need now

is another song by John.

I was born in county Tipperary,

a place he knew right well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPLS5nNFWTU

Thanks for posting this song. My Mom's father was in the First World War and, when I was little, he and I would sing this song when we were out driving somewhere. It seemed like such a happy song and it wasn't until I had grown up and he had passed away that I learned what a hell he had lived through in those four years in the trenches in France. Thinking of this now, I was always impressed that he was able to come back to Canada, hold it together and raise a family.