Larry Hancock Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Paul, actually we know a great deal if detail about the MI, FBI and CIA monitoring anti-war activists. There are a number of good books on it - not to mention a great deal of data available in the Church Committee investigation and report. They also documented a good deal of the actual dirty tricks used against the anti-war folks by the FBI. I've posted some of those references here before...... We also know a lot of detail about what the domestic MI units were doing in CI were doing and their assignments to do preemptive intel collection in preparation of demonstrations and riots on many major cities. All that really ramped up in the mid-60's., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Thanks Larry - I am aware. Just wondering what they might have been up to in Dallas 1963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Well actually we have some insight into that because of the files that were released to the ARRB by the 112th MIG and the ARRB's really detailed investigation of the 112th and its roles/missions/responsibilities. One of the things that the 112th was cooperating with in regard to DPD was arms thefts and arms sales. That included attempts to buy arms from Fort Hood and also investigation of the Terrell Armory theft. Beyond that those MIG's who had port cities in their area of responsilbity had been ordered to monitor travels to and from Cuba and to monitor the ports for weapons smuggling. That was one reason that in New Orleans, it was a 112th agent who picked up the first leaflet from Oswald - his report triggered the establishment of a MIG file on Oswald. The agent had been down waterside and became aware of Oswald passing out leaflets by Navy ships. Given that the ARRB also interviewed several Dallas members of the 112th, you can also get a good job of what they were personally doing in their day jobs ....those documents should be available on MFF by now but I put a good number of them on my Keys to the Conspiracy CD that Lancer has available....that seems like a very long time ago now. I should point out that there was a considerable difference in the tasking of the active units such as the 112th and the Reserve Units - the Reserve Units intel folks were trained and practiced at performing actual combat intelligence in the event they or their units were called up. You can get a feel for that in doing some searching on Army Reserve intelligence units. The active duty guys were more incident driven but appear to also have spent a good deal of their time doing standard background checks and security investigations....pretty routine stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Well actually we have some insight into that because of the files that were released to the ARRB by the 112th MIG and the ARRB's really detailed investigation of the 112th and its roles/missions/responsibilities. One of the things that the 112th was cooperating with in regard to DPD was arms thefts and arms sales. That included attempts to buy arms from Fort Hood and also investigation of the Terrell Armory theft. Beyond that those MIG's who had port cities in their area of responsilbity had been ordered to monitor travels to and from Cuba and to monitor the ports for weapons smuggling. That was one reason that in New Orleans, it was a 112th agent who picked up the first leaflet from Oswald - his report triggered the establishment of a MIG file on Oswald. The agent had been down waterside and became aware of Oswald passing out leaflets by Navy ships. Given that the ARRB also interviewed several Dallas members of the 112th, you can also get a good job of what they were personally doing in their day jobs ....those documents should be available on MFF by now but I put a good number of them on my Keys to the Conspiracy CD that Lancer has available....that seems like a very long time ago now. I should point out that there was a considerable difference in the tasking of the active units such as the 112th and the Reserve Units - the Reserve Units intel folks were trained and practiced at performing actual combat intelligence in the event they or their units were called up. You can get a feel for that in doing some searching on Army Reserve intelligence units. The active duty guys were more incident driven but appear to also have spent a good deal of their time doing standard background checks and security investigations....pretty routine stuff. Interestingly, when Billy Lovelady was in the military (forget which branch) he and another guy were convicted of selling or trying to sell a gun which they had apparently stolen from the military. Going from memory here, but I think that's right. --Tommy Edited March 12, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Interestingly, when Billy Lovelady was in the military (forget which branch) he and another guy were convicted of selling or trying to sell a gun which they had apparently stolen from the military. Going from memory here, but I think that's right. --Tommy oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see below (GAAL) Posted Yesterday, 08:57 PM JFKcountercoup: OSWALD - FROM OUT OF THE COSMOS OSWALD - FROM OUT OF THE COSMOS By William Kelly ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] and may I add SHELLY IN NEW ORLEANS http://oswaldinthedo...4/06/uh-oh.html and SPIDER'S WEB http://educationforu...ic=6017&p=53294 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] from Spider's Web(4) During the 1930’s the Texas Rangers shifted their efforts from bank robbers to drug smugglers. Joe Bergin joined them in 1934 as a Special Ranger. It is possible that his career move from school superintendent in Greenville to schoolbook salesman in Dallas had something to with a desire to advance his opportunities in law enforcement under the cover of schoolbook publisher Scott Foresman. He may have been among the Texas Rangers in Dallas monitoring the drug and gambling activities of Jack Ruby and his friends. Since Jack Ruby was also involved in smuggling arms, the Texas Rangers may have monitored that activity as well. ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] below related : GOVERNMENT APPROVED DRUG/ARMS TRADE (FROM the TSBD ??) Published on Mar 7, 2015 The TACA case. How the government allowed arms and drug trades into Central America and intentionally looked the other way rather than prosecuting the mafia. This action in the 30s made Sam Carolla rich and set the stage for the infamous Marcello brothers and other in the New Orleans branch of the Mafia in the 50s and 60s. Who many believe were involved in the Kennedy assassinations. }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] Posted by Steven Gaal on 08 May 2014 - 03:35 PM in JFK Assassination Debate It is the assertion in the Spiders Web that the TSBD was a secret arms cache. ++++++++++++++ (((((O.V. Campbell = TSBD ))))) GOVERNMENT APPROVED DRUG/ARMS TRADE (FROM the TSBD ???? see youtube TACA below) http://www.jfkassass...pic=7449.0;wap2 ============== Mark Valenti: Billy Lovelady was involved in illegal gun sales prior to his employment as Lee Oswald's co-worker. In fact, he was arrested at the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building and taken into custody at the Dallas County Jail in January, 1963. A few years earlier, as an Airman 2nd class at Andrews Air Force Base, Lovelady was accused of crimes connected with the theft and sale of government-issued weapons. He was sentenced to pay a fine, which he did not pay in full before skipping town and moving to Dallas. He was tracked down in Dallas as a fugitive in 1963 and arrested. His boss, O.V. Campbell, paid the balance of his fine, and the FBI closed the case. Interesting to note that FBI agent James Hosty was tracking the sale of weapons stolen from various military bases in Texas. On the morning of Nov. 22, he was meeting with ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth about that very subject. It has been floated as a possibility that Lee Oswald was an FBI informant who provided intelligence regarding these weapons thefts and subsequent sale to anti-Castro Cubans. John Platko: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Billy Lovelady was involved in illegal gun sales prior to his employment as Lee Oswald's co-worker. In fact, he was arrested at the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building and taken into custody at the Dallas County Jail in January, 1963. A few years earlier, as an Airman 2nd class at Andrews Air Force Base, Lovelady was accused of crimes connected with the theft and sale of government-issued weapons. He was sentenced to pay a fine, which he did not pay in full before skipping town and moving to Dallas. He was tracked down in Dallas as a fugitive in 1963 and arrested. His boss, O.V. Campbell, paid the balance of his fine, and the FBI closed the case. Interesting to note that FBI agent James Hosty was tracking the sale of weapons stolen from various military bases in Texas. On the morning of Nov. 22, he was meeting with ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth about that very subject. It has been floated as a possibility that Lee Oswald was an FBI informant who provided intelligence regarding these weapons thefts and subsequent sale to anti-Castro Cubans. I never heard that before, it's nice to learn something new. Thanks! Do you know a place where I can read more about this? Wes Riddle: Interesting stuff Mark. I've wondered before about the Terrell Armory heist a few days before the assassination. Miller and Whitter were arrested after a high speed chase.. There was another member of the group named Perry Hydell/Rydell that was involved and could have been an informant. Sounds a lot like Alex Hidell. Richard Borchardt claimed Ruby was also involved. Can you post the documents on Lovelady? Wes Mark Valenti: Referenced from Barry Ernest, author of THE GIRL ON THE STAIRS. Edited March 13, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Interestingly, when Billy Lovelady was in the military (forget which branch) he and another guy were convicted of selling or trying to sell a gun which they had apparently stolen from the military. Going from memory here, but I think that's right. --Tommy oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see below (GAAL) Posted Yesterday, 08:57 PM JFKcountercoup: OSWALD - FROM OUT OF THE COSMOS OSWALD - FROM OUT OF THE COSMOS By William Kelly ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] and may I add SHELLY IN NEW ORLEANS http://oswaldinthedo...4/06/uh-oh.html and SPIDER'S WEB http://educationforu...ic=6017&p=53294 ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] from Spider's Web(4) During the 1930’s the Texas Rangers shifted their efforts from bank robbers to drug smugglers. Joe Bergin joined them in 1934 as a Special Ranger. It is possible that his career move from school superintendent in Greenville to schoolbook salesman in Dallas had something to with a desire to advance his opportunities in law enforcement under the cover of schoolbook publisher Scott Foresman. He may have been among the Texas Rangers in Dallas monitoring the drug and gambling activities of Jack Ruby and his friends. Since Jack Ruby was also involved in smuggling arms, the Texas Rangers may have monitored that activity as well. ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] below related : GOVERNMENT APPROVED DRUG/ARMS TRADE (FROM the TSBD ??) Published on Mar 7, 2015 The TACA case. How the government allowed arms and drug trades into Central America and intentionally looked the other way rather than prosecuting the mafia. This action in the 30s made Sam Carolla rich and set the stage for the infamous Marcello brothers and other in the New Orleans branch of the Mafia in the 50s and 60s. Who many believe were involved in the Kennedy assassinations. }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] Posted by Steven Gaal on 08 May 2014 - 03:35 PM in JFK Assassination Debate It is the assertion in the Spiders Web that the TSBD was a secret arms cache. ++++++++++++++ (((((O.V. Campbell = TSBD ))))) GOVERNMENT APPROVED DRUG/ARMS TRADE (FROM the TSBD ???? see youtube TACA above) http://www.jfkassass...pic=7449.0;wap2 ============== Mark Valenti: Billy Lovelady was involved in illegal gun sales prior to his employment as Lee Oswald's co-worker. In fact, he was arrested at the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building and taken into custody at the Dallas County Jail in January, 1963. A few years earlier, as an Airman 2nd class at Andrews Air Force Base, Lovelady was accused of crimes connected with the theft and sale of government-issued weapons. He was sentenced to pay a fine, which he did not pay in full before skipping town and moving to Dallas. He was tracked down in Dallas as a fugitive in 1963 and arrested. His boss, O.V. Campbell, paid the balance of his fine, and the FBI closed the case. Interesting to note that FBI agent James Hosty was tracking the sale of weapons stolen from various military bases in Texas. On the morning of Nov. 22, he was meeting with ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth about that very subject. It has been floated as a possibility that Lee Oswald was an FBI informant who provided intelligence regarding these weapons thefts and subsequent sale to anti-Castro Cubans. John Platko: As a guest, you are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Billy Lovelady was involved in illegal gun sales prior to his employment as Lee Oswald's co-worker. In fact, he was arrested at the Texas Schoolbook Depository Building and taken into custody at the Dallas County Jail in January, 1963. A few years earlier, as an Airman 2nd class at Andrews Air Force Base, Lovelady was accused of crimes connected with the theft and sale of government-issued weapons. He was sentenced to pay a fine, which he did not pay in full before skipping town and moving to Dallas. He was tracked down in Dallas as a fugitive in 1963 and arrested. His boss, O.V. Campbell, paid the balance of his fine, and the FBI closed the case. Interesting to note that FBI agent James Hosty was tracking the sale of weapons stolen from various military bases in Texas. On the morning of Nov. 22, he was meeting with ATF Agent Frank Ellsworth about that very subject. It has been floated as a possibility that Lee Oswald was an FBI informant who provided intelligence regarding these weapons thefts and subsequent sale to anti-Castro Cubans. I never heard that before, it's nice to learn something new. Thanks! Do you know a place where I can read more about this? Wes Riddle: Interesting stuff Mark. I've wondered before about the Terrell Armory heist a few days before the assassination. Miller and Whitter were arrested after a high speed chase.. There was another member of the group named Perry Hydell/Rydell that was involved and could have been an informant. Sounds a lot like Alex Hidell. Richard Borchardt claimed Ruby was also involved. Can you post the documents on Lovelady? Wes Mark Valenti: Referenced from Barry Ernest, author of THE GIRL ON THE STAIRS. If Lovelady was found guilty of selling or trying to sell a gun stolen from the military, it seems to me that he should have been hit with more than just a fine. Was it just a misdemeanor type crime, or even less? Why did Campbell or whomever hire him if they knew about his criminal background? Why did Campbell pay his fine for him instead of fire him? Were they desperate for workers at the TSBD? --Tommy Edited March 13, 2015 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Well actually we have some insight into that because of the files that were released to the ARRB by the 112th MIG and the ARRB's really detailed investigation of the 112th and its roles/missions/responsibilities. One of the things that the 112th was cooperating with in regard to DPD was arms thefts and arms sales. That included attempts to buy arms from Fort Hood and also investigation of the Terrell Armory theft. Beyond that those MIG's who had port cities in their area of responsibility had been ordered to monitor travels to and from Cuba and to monitor the ports for weapons smuggling. That was one reason that in New Orleans, it was a 112th agent who picked up the first leaflet from Oswald - his report triggered the establishment of a MIG file on Oswald. The agent had been down waterside and became aware of Oswald passing out leaflets by Navy ships. Given that the ARRB also interviewed several Dallas members of the 112th, you can also get a good job of what they were personally doing in their day jobs...those documents should be available on MFF by now but I put a good number of them on my Keys to the Conspiracy CD that Lancer has available....that seems like a very long time ago now. I should point out that there was a considerable difference in the tasking of the active units such as the 112th and the Reserve Units - the Reserve Units intel folks were trained and practiced at performing actual combat intelligence in the event they or their units were called up. You can get a feel for that in doing some searching on Army Reserve intelligence units. The active duty guys were more incident driven but appear to also have spent a good deal of their time doing standard background checks and security investigations....pretty routine stuff. Well, IMHO it would not be too difficult for a Texan and former US Army General to have informal, friendly and even political contacts inside a Military installation in Texas. We only need a few extreme right-wing JBS types in the military to also belong to the "Friends of Walker" to receive daily updates about how JFK/RFK were Communists, and why they should be stopped at all costs. Only a very few working in the office -- that could do a lot of damage. The linkage between the 112th, the 488th and the Dallas Police Department is tight. I think we have a winner. Regards, --Paul Trejo Edited March 13, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Why did Campbell pay his fine for him instead of fire him? Were they desperate for workers at the TSBD? // GRAVES ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] Lovelady's job was books and guns at the TSBD. His arrest was probably connected to his own $$ making idea outside of the regular secret arms trade of the TSBD. Campbell may have liked the entrepreneurship of Lovelady and kept him on. === It is the assertion in the Spiders Web that the TSBD was a secret arms cache. ++++++++++++++ (((((O.V. Campbell = TSBD ))))) GOVERNMENT APPROVED DRUG/ARMS TRADE (FROM the TSBD ???? see youtube TACA below)http://www.jfkassass...pic=7449.0;wap2 Edited March 13, 2015 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Why did Campbell pay his fine for him instead of fire him? Were they desperate for workers at the TSBD? // GRAVES ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] Lovelady's job was books and guns at the TSBD. His arrest was probably connected to his own $$ making idea outside of the regular secret arms trade of the TSBD. Campbell may have liked the entrepreneurship of Lovelady and kept himon. === It is the assertion in the Spiders Web that the TSBD was a secret arms cache. ++++++++++++++ (((((O.V. Campbell = TSBD ))))) GOVERNMENT APPROVED DRUG/ARMS TRADE (FROM the TSBD ???? see youtube TACA below) I don't see anything unusual here -- except that modern writers tend to be ignorant of US politics in 1963. The right-wing in the USA was much more powerful in 1963, and in the South they were very bold indeed -- and independent. Lovelady was not the only person interested in guns at the TSBD building -- workers there would regularly bring their latest purchase of weapons to work for a little "show and tell" with the boys. Secretly sending guns to Cuba was considered a high patriotic act in 1963 -- all across the South, including Southern California in 1963. When Harry Dean loaded up Loran Hall's truck for another arms delivery from Los Angeles back to Miami, he had countless middle-class and well-to-do supporters from the JBS offering these supplies. This would include dentists, doctors, lawyers and other professional types with cash to spare. The patriotic duty of all red-blooded Americans -- despite the "Neutrality Act" and the "Red" JFK legislation that allegedly helped Communists more than Americans -- underground arms trade to Cuba was considered a noble deed. If the TSBD building was involved in this trade -- then I can't say I'm surprised. It would be odd if the Trade Mart in Dallas -- or the Trade Mart in New Orleans -- were somehow excluded from this lucrative market. Yet I'm pleased that we're starting to focus more on Dallas, and more on Dealey Plaza itself -- and especially the ubiquitous presence of Dallas Police in these locations. I still suspect that the DPD took a half-hour to construct a "sniper's nest" on the 6th floor of the TSBD building, when they didn't really have to. Also, it seems to me that Gerry Patrick Hemming, when he called OSWALD and offered him double the price of his rifle for bringing it to the TSBD building on 11/22/1963, was probably working with the Dallas Police ("Friends of Walker"), as the ones who were supposed to find OSWALD's rifle there. Once in the possession of the DPD, that rifle was used to fire bullets, make shell casings, fragments, spent bullets, anything required to make it look like an easy CASE CLOSED. As Dallas DA Henry Wade said, "I've sent men to the electric chair on less evidence than this." Sincerely, --Paul Trejo Edited March 13, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Were there goings-on at the TSBD? Sure, and they warrant scrutiny. Lots of scrutiny. Guns being brought into the building. Malleable employee-witnesses. Boxes being moved to create a sniper's nest. A super who's super suspicious. Yes, all this merits deep scrutiny. Problem is, how to separate ordinary hanky panky from conspiracy and cover-up; cover-up forced upon certain individuals, such as Billy Lovelady. In Lovelady's case, the inducements appear to be carrots, but there were perhaps also sticks that were wielded. Was 112th M.I. Group up to secret activities? You bet. So what? To paraphrase Robert Mady, it wasn't some pool-room amateurs who killed JFK. To paraphrase Paul Trejo, it wasn't CIA guys in suits who killed JFK. To paraphrase Jon G. Tidd, it was some party that understood the U.S., its politicians, its way of dealing with crises so as to avoid injury to powerful bureaucracies, that plotted and executed the deal. Candidates for culpability include: -- U.S. big money guys, including Fed officials -- the CIA -- LBJ -- the military -- some combination of the above -- none of the above I choose "none of the above." None of the above explains why, 52 years later, there has not been a satisfactory accounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Once again I would suggest that you reread the spartacus article on Jack Crichton. Sadly, the Spartacus article on Jack Alston Crichton (1916-2007) provides nothing of substance on the JFK murder. Again, it is all suspicion, innuendo and rumor. That will no longer do in JFK Research. We should be beyond that. Who has something stronger on Jack Crichton? That Crichton was a rich oil man in Dallas was no crime. That Crichton was part of an oil exploration deal for 15 million acres of Cuba under Fulgencio Batista is mildly interesting, but proves nothing by itself. Even the interesting tidbit that George De Mohrenschildt (DM, himself an oil exploration professor at UT Dallas) was involved in the Batista deal proves nothing. The unspoken implication of the article is that George DM was willing to turn on JFK because Fidel Castro cancelled that contract (rather, shrunk it down to 20,000 acres) after Crichton's boys had already sunk $30 million into the effort. I seriously doubt that DM was that low -- rather, DM was offered a new oil-exploration contract in Haiti, worth a quarter-million to George himself (or about $2.5 million today, adjusted for inflation). George wasn't hurting. Besides, Edwin WALKER is my prime suspect, and George De Mohrenschildt was an ENEMY of WALKER, not a "Friend of Walker." That should be dealt with. The Spartacus article says that "in 1956 Crichton started his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, serving as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas." I think this is hyperbole. How does one "start his own spy unit," and yet have it officially supervised by the current Lt. Commander of "all Army Reserve Units in East Texas?" It's hyperbole. No doubt Crichton was a high-powered leader of men in his time -- but that was no crime, either. Nor was it a crime to patriotically lead a Unit of Military Reserves for Texas. It is certainly interesting that out of 100 men, up to 50 were from the Dallas Police Department. This is the most interesting aspect of the Crichton article so far -- because I suspect the more politically rightist Dallas Police were "true believers" willing to volunteer to oppose a "Red JFK" in their own back yard. Yet this is exactly where our knowledge breaks down -- exactly where it should be strongest. What are the names of those 50 DPD 488th Reservists? Did they include Roscoe White? What about J.D. Tippit? How about Jesse Curry? We want to know. Where are their children today? Do any of these children wish to share their parent's rightist political views? Were any also "Friends of Walker?" Was Jack Crichton a "Friend of Walker?" There are so many questions. It is somewhat interesting that Fabian Escalante names Jack Crichton and GHW Bush (35 years old) as fund-raisers in 1959 for the CIA's Operation 40 for sabotage operations against Fidel Castro's Cuba, which later evolved into a team of assassins. Frank Sturgis, claimed: 'Operation 40 would, upon orders, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of [Cuba].' So here we have the CIA, Jack Crichton, George DM and Frank Sturgis trying to whack Fidel Castro. This is all believable -- but it has nothing to do with the JFK murder. One truly disappointing episode in that article on Crichton is that on 11/22/1963 Crichton's close friend, Deputy Police Chief George L. Lumpkin (488th Unit) drove the pilot car of JFK's motorcade with he car was Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, Commander of all Texas Reserves, in the back seat. Then, at the curb of the TSBD building, Lumpkin spoke with a traffic cop. Big deal. More facts are urgently needed to make this story interesting. I find it completely boring that Crichton nominated Ilya Mamantov to work for the Dallas Police Department as the initial translator of Marina Oswald immediately after Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested. I see no relation between that act and any episode of the JFK murder. I deny that Marina lied to the WC. I deny that Marina caved in to the CIA, Secret Service or FBI. I accept all of Marina's sworn testimony to the WC, allowing for common ESL errors. I object to the proposition that somebody only needs to mention the "translators" for Marina Oswald to raise suspicions. I've read the testimony -- it's not suspicious in the slightest to me. Ultimately, we find on Spartacus no more than a "teaser" about Jack Crichton. One needs to know more. Regards, --Paul Trejo Edited March 13, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) ...It was some party that understood the U.S., its politicians, its way of dealing with crises so as to avoid injury to powerful bureaucracies, that plotted and executed the deal. Candidates for culpability include: -- U.S. big money guys, including Fed officials -- the CIA -- LBJ -- the military -- some combination of the above -- none of the above I choose "none of the above." None of the above explains why, 52 years later, there has not been a satisfactory accounting. Good choice, Jon. The best answer to the question, IMHO, would be a small, dedicated group of zealots, afraid of nothing, with one specific goal -- to turn back the hands of time with regard to (1) Cuba and (2) Civil Rights. The USA was becoming increasingly liberal in 1963 -- and these guys couldn't (or wouldn't) handle it. Since the WC ruled out a left-wing plot -- and since the "Lone Nut" theory fizzled in 1979 with the HSCA -- we must finally, after 50 years, take seriously a right-wing CIVILIAN plot. We must finally explore the far-right CIVILIANS in Dallas in 1962-1964. That's precisely what we've sorely neglected (compared with all the unproductive mush of JFK Research) for a half-century. Regards, --Paul Trejo Edited March 13, 2015 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Oh come on. This is sick. Will the rest of you please look at the Crichton article in Spartacus? Paul, seriously. How can you call this nothing of substance, nothing but suspicion, innuendo, and rumor. You think there is more than that on your chief suspect Walker? You asked what the politics of the 488th were, and then completely dismiss Crichton's politics. That was the whole reason I asked you to read it. Sure we don't know which 50 Dallas cops were members of Crichton's unit. We know a few, and wouldn't you like to know the rest? Your post is just one big sorry dismissal. When you combine the info on the Crichton article with the info that Bill Kelly posted in the thread 'Oswald - from out of the cosmos' - you have to at least question your central tenet that DeMohrenschildt was some kind of liberal who hated Walker. Who was it that DeMohrenschildt wrote to in a panic in the mid 1970's when the xxxx was hitting his proverbial fan? GHWB, then head of the CIA. Who did DeMohrenschildt meet with during his Haiti sojourn after his Oswald adventure? Well, you know the answer since you have read plenty of Joan Mellen. His name was Devine. Mellen never could figure out who Devine's partner was because it is still classified. All roads lead to GHWB. Sorry I am a bit too lazy to drag out 'Our Man in Haiti' at the moment. Paul - the nazi fascist right wing Russian émigrés in Dallas, along with Marina, did a pretty good job setting up Oswald ex post facto. And you would like to dismiss the fact that it was Crichton who set up the first translator for Marina, and who housed her at a motel owned by the Great Southwest Corporation. Gaal has posted all of this, and you have read it all. Sure, we agree the DPD was screwed up. But to dismiss their known ties to Crichton in favor of their possible ties to Walker is absurd. I don't dismiss Walker. I just don't buy the rest of the too well worked out scenario. Don't dismiss Crichton. Serious question for any of you that have read this far. Have you read the Spartacus article on Crichton?. Good, glad to hear it. So - what do you think? Edited March 14, 2015 by Paul Brancato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon G. Tidd Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Paul Brancato, I can't find much information on the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. It appears to have been a U.S. Army reserve unit, not a private organization. If it was an Army reserve unit, it would not have been established by Jack Crichton, as is reported at Spartacus. It would have been established by the U.S. Army. That Crichton served as commander of the 488th tells me he was an Army reserve officer. Civilians are not appointed as Army unit commanders. I have to admit Crichton warrants scrutiny. Trained at Texas A&M as a petroleum engineer, he recognized in the early 1950s that Middle East oil was important to the U.S. Given my inclination to believe the JFK assassination had its roots in U.S. Middle Eastern policy, I'm struck by this fact. More so than by the fact Jack Crichton commanded the 488th M.I.D. His command role could have been merely an extension of the work he performed in WWII. I'd like to know a whole lot more about Jack Crichton. Do you know of a good biography of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Jon - the Spartacus summary is the most complete bio of Crichton I have seen. Thank you for looking at it. I think that having control of Marina Oswald in the first days is important, since she did a lot to convict Oswald, and yet by all accounts was an unreliable witness. Perhaps one of the good researchers here knows more about how Marina was picked up and locked down in a motel room by whom exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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