Jim Hargrove Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Tommy, The anti-H&L folks want us to believe that “Lee Harvey Oswald” became fluent reading, writing, and speaking Russian after spending two and a half years in the USSR. But you want us to believe that he couldn’t achieve fluency speaking English after spending at least a decade in our country? Really? Should we call that a double standard or a quadruple standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 11/23/2017 at 8:45 AM, Mathias Baumann said: Sandy, don't you think it's strange that Wilcott would remember a meaningless cryptonym but not the name of the case officer he furnished the money to? And that this cryptonym doesn't appear anywhere in the CIA's files while there are hundreds of documents on the European assassin QJWIN? Mathias, I meant to comment on this a long time ago. Sorry. It's obvious from the HSCA notes that Wilcott remembered just about EVERYONE in the Tokyo Station, but that he said he didn't remember under public testimony. Either he didn't want to put other Agency employees on the spot, or he was forbidden from mentioning the specifics of his charges, which the HSCA notes seem to indicate was the case. It surely wasn't about, as Mr. Parnell would like us to believe, being afraid to testify under oath. It is every bit as much a felony to lie to Federal investigators as it is to lie under oath in public testimony. Anyway, here are some of the people Wilcott did remember: And here are some HSCA notes indicating why Wilcott wasn't allowed to give specifics during his testimony. Read near the bottom beginning, "Concerning Michael Goldsmith...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said: Tommy, The anti-H&L folks want us to believe that “Lee Harvey Oswald” became fluent reading, writing, and speaking Russian after spending two and a half years in the USSR. But you want us to believe that he couldn’t achieve fluency speaking English after spending at least a decade in our country? Really? Should we call that a double standard or a quadruple standard? Jim, With all due respect, you're severely confused, Jim. There was only one Oswald. He was born in New Orleans, as a child and as an adult, he liked to read. Probably as a result of his relatively high IQ (118) and all his reading, as an adult he spoke English very, very well, indeed. He taught himself the rudiments of the Russian language before he defected to the USSR, and he improved his ability to speak and write it during the 2.5 years he lived in Minsk. -- Tommy Edited January 30, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Earl Warren couldn't have said it better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 18 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said: Yes... yet interestingly he had trouble with his writing in English. I wonder if that can tell us anything. Can't a smart guy not have the ability to write English well? Why would that "tell us anything?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said: Earl Warren couldn't have said it better! Jim, With all due respect ..... So what? Now, would you care to challenge my statement that the guy who was killed by Jack Ruby on 11/24/63 (your "Harvey" and my one-and-only Lee Harvey Oswald) spoke English very, very well, indeed? -- Tommy Edited January 30, 2018 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said: It surely wasn't about, as Mr. Parnell would like us to believe, being afraid to testify under oath. It is every bit as much a felony to lie to Federal investigators as it is to lie under oath in public testimony. Anyway, here are some of the people Wilcott did remember: It's actually more than that Jim H. That crypto code you mention and Wilcott vaguely remembered does not exist on any list of cryptos. Like Tracy has said on here over and over, there are many innocent explanations and pulling quotes out of context from testimony to weave together the clone story. And for all of the many years and dollars Armstrong supposedly spent on this story - and he uses anything and everything to support the story - what actually happened to the clone once Oswald was gunned down on 11/24? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 John found the HSCA notes with the reference to RX-ZIM because he did what virtually no other researcher has done. He traveled to the National Archives at College Park and worked there for months, examining all the evidence directly related to “Lee Harvey Oswald” (except for the zillions of FBI reports, which he purchased on microfilm from UMI). He found these notes and paid the Archives to have photocopies made. He mentioned RX-ZIM briefly in Harvey and Lee, but he didn’t make a big deal about it. I’m amazed that you have no curiosity whatsoever about the fact that a CIA accountant said he made payments to an encrypted account for “the Oswald Project.” You don’t find that the least bit intriguing, do you? Do you just want to close your eyes and make it go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Tracy Parnell Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 17 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said: Anyway, here are some of the people Wilcott did remember: The original point stands. Wilcott remembered many individuals from Tokyo, which isn't that surprising. But he strangely couldn't remember the name of the person he allegedly disbursed the "Oswald Project" funds to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Tracy Parnell Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 16 hours ago, Michael Walton said: It's actually more than that Jim H. That crypto code you mention and Wilcott vaguely remembered does not exist on any list of cryptos. Probably the two most respected sources for cryptonyms are Mary Ferrell and John Newman. Neither has RX-ZIM or anything close to it. Wilcott refused to name the code under oath and only during interviews with HSCA staff (apparently) and a couple other times did he mention it. Check out this piece from the San Francisco Chronicle in which Wilcott admits to heavy drinking and embellishes his claims about LHO and the CIA. This reads very much like a man who had an axe to grind: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/A Disk/Agent Oswald Office Files/Agent Oswald 4-78/Item 01.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Michael Walton said: On 1/29/2018 at 12:21 AM, Sandy Larsen said: Yes... yet interestingly he had trouble with his writing in English. I wonder if that can tell us anything. Can't a smart guy not have the ability to write English well? Why would that "tell us anything?" I don't know. That's the reason I wondered if it could tell us anything. Edited January 30, 2018 by Sandy Larsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, W. Tracy Parnell said: Probably the two most respected sources for cryptonyms are Mary Ferrell and John Newman. Neither has RX-ZIM or anything close to it. Tracy, Has every CIA cryptonym been published on Mary Ferrell? Is John Newman aware of every CIA cryptonym? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Tracy Parnell Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said: Tracy, Has every CIA cryptonym been published on Mary Ferrell? Is John Newman aware of every CIA cryptonym? I don't know, but probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said: Tracy, Has every CIA cryptonym been published on Mary Ferrell? Is John Newman aware of every CIA cryptonym? Sandy, With all due respect, does that mean it must be true? -- Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hargrove Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Evidence suggesting Wilcott's remarks were true is included right in the HSCA notes themselves. "Committee did stress analysis on Jim Wilcott. Cuban stress analysis verified Wilcott validity. Available if needed." I have no idea what a "Cuban stress analysis" is, but we all know what a lie detector is, and it was quite clear that Wilcott was more than happy to take a lie detector test. The HSCA failed to take up Wilcott's offer, and it is clear that HSCA's Michael Goldsmith insisted that Wilcott leave out MANY details from his sworn testimony. It is right in the notes! Even forced to eliminate all those details, Wilcott's testimony was so explosive that it was kept from the public for decades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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