Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

[Robert Card]

1 hour ago, David Von Pein said:

 

 

Mainly so that I can add various discussions and sub-topics to my "JFK Archives" website.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/04/index.html

 

 

 

You may have something there, I found this video on your site, and it's very entertaining.   Here, for all to see, is Penn and Teller showing how the three rifle shots took 3.45 seconds.

These LNers may have something here, do the test without bullets in the gun.  I have to admit, this totally backs up the WC.

 

 

[François Carlier]

3 hours ago, Robert Card said:

  Same with Lance and Francois, who are not debating either, but having a lot of fun with us.  I bet they have belly laughs while writing their comments.

Wrong. I'm not here to "have fun", as you say. My idea of fun is different.
I'm here to debate with honesty.
But it is true that I have yet to find a conspiracy theorist who agrees to debate with honesty.

[François Carlier]

7 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Thanks for your posts, Robert.  You make some good points, which in part prompts this:

While David Von Pein and François Carlier continue to bore us by extolling the alleged virtues of the Warren Commission and, currently, the Magic Money Order® that allegedly paid for the Magic Rifle® that allegedly fired the Magic Bullet®, let’s talk about how many people died suspiciously shortly before the truth about the assassination of JFK had at least a second chance of being uncovered.

John Simkin, who I believe founded this forum, made the following post on April 18, 2005:

When the Select Committee on Intelligence Activities and Select Committee on Assassinations began investigating Kennedy's death in the 1970s the deaths of potential witnesses increased dramatically. This included several criminals with possible links to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Those who were killed or who died in suspicious circumstances during this period included Malcolm Wallace (1971), Lucien Sarti (1972), Charles Willoughby (1972), Thomas Davis (1973), Richard Cain (1973), Dave Yarras (1974), Sam Giancana (1975), Jimmy Hoffa (1975), Roland Masferrer (1975), Johnny Roselli (1976), George De Mohrenschildt (1977), Charlie Nicoletti (1977) and Carlos Prio (1977).

William Sullivan, the main figure in the FBI involved in the Executive Action project, and the person in the FBI who investigated Oswald, was shot dead near his home in Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, on 9th November, 1977. Sullivan had been scheduled to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

Sullivan was one of six top FBI officials who died in a six month period in 1977. Others who were due to appear before the committee who died included Louis Nicholas, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover and his liaison with the Warren Commission; Alan H. Belmont, special assistant to Hoover; James Cadigan, document expert with access to documents that related to death of John F. Kennedy; J. M. English, former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested and Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist who examined prints found at the assassination scene.

Several important figures in the Central Intelligence Agency died before they could give evidence to the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigations. William Harvey, head of the ZR/RIFLE project, died as a result of complications from heart surgery in June, 1976. William Pawley, who took part in Operation Tilt, died of gunshot wounds in January, 1977. David Morales, who some believe organized the assassination, died aged 53, on 8th May, 1978.

John Paisley was deputy director of the Office of Strategic Research. On 24th September, 1978, John Paisley, took a trip on his motorized sailboat on Chesapeake Bay. Two days later his boat was found moored in Solomons, Maryland. Paisley's body was found in Maryland's Patuxent River. The body was fixed to diving weights. He had been shot in the head. Police investigators described it as "an execution-type murder". However, officially Paisley's death was recorded as a suicide.

According to the journalist, Victor Marchetti, Paisley was a close friend of Yuri Nosenko. Marchetti also claimed that Paisley knew a great deal about the assassination of John F. Kennedy and was murdered during the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation because he was "about to blow the whistle".

To me, the most astounding number of dead potential HSCA witnesses were the six top FBI officials who died in a six month period at about the time the HSCA was being founded.  These six men knew EVERYTHING about the FBI/WC cover-up of JFK's assassination.

I see that you didn't reply to my post about the backyard photos. May you didn't have the time.
At any rate, trying to deny that the backyard photos are genuine, and hence that Oswald did have the rifle and the revolver at his home, can only make you lose your credibility.
If you are an expert on the documentary discrepancies existing in Oswald's youth records, good for you and I'll grant you that, but that in NO way allows you to make false statements about the backyard photos !!!

[François Carlier]

7 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Thanks for your posts, Robert.  You make some good points, which in part prompts this:

While David Von Pein and François Carlier continue to bore us by extolling the alleged virtues of the Warren Commission and, currently, the Magic Money Order® that allegedly paid for the Magic Rifle® that allegedly fired the Magic Bullet®, let’s talk about how many people died suspiciously shortly before the truth about the assassination of JFK had at least a second chance of being uncovered.

John Simkin, who I believe founded this forum, made the following post on April 18, 2005:

When the Select Committee on Intelligence Activities and Select Committee on Assassinations began investigating Kennedy's death in the 1970s the deaths of potential witnesses increased dramatically. This included several criminals with possible links to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Those who were killed or who died in suspicious circumstances during this period included Malcolm Wallace (1971), Lucien Sarti (1972), Charles Willoughby (1972), Thomas Davis (1973), Richard Cain (1973), Dave Yarras (1974), Sam Giancana (1975), Jimmy Hoffa (1975), Roland Masferrer (1975), Johnny Roselli (1976), George De Mohrenschildt (1977), Charlie Nicoletti (1977) and Carlos Prio (1977).

William Sullivan, the main figure in the FBI involved in the Executive Action project, and the person in the FBI who investigated Oswald, was shot dead near his home in Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, on 9th November, 1977. Sullivan had been scheduled to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

Sullivan was one of six top FBI officials who died in a six month period in 1977. Others who were due to appear before the committee who died included Louis Nicholas, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover and his liaison with the Warren Commission; Alan H. Belmont, special assistant to Hoover; James Cadigan, document expert with access to documents that related to death of John F. Kennedy; J. M. English, former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested and Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist who examined prints found at the assassination scene.

Several important figures in the Central Intelligence Agency died before they could give evidence to the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigations. William Harvey, head of the ZR/RIFLE project, died as a result of complications from heart surgery in June, 1976. William Pawley, who took part in Operation Tilt, died of gunshot wounds in January, 1977. David Morales, who some believe organized the assassination, died aged 53, on 8th May, 1978.

John Paisley was deputy director of the Office of Strategic Research. On 24th September, 1978, John Paisley, took a trip on his motorized sailboat on Chesapeake Bay. Two days later his boat was found moored in Solomons, Maryland. Paisley's body was found in Maryland's Patuxent River. The body was fixed to diving weights. He had been shot in the head. Police investigators described it as "an execution-type murder". However, officially Paisley's death was recorded as a suicide.

According to the journalist, Victor Marchetti, Paisley was a close friend of Yuri Nosenko. Marchetti also claimed that Paisley knew a great deal about the assassination of John F. Kennedy and was murdered during the House Select Committee on Assassinations investigation because he was "about to blow the whistle".

To me, the most astounding number of dead potential HSCA witnesses were the six top FBI officials who died in a six month period at about the time the HSCA was being founded.  These six men knew EVERYTHING about the FBI/WC cover-up of JFK's assassination.

Oh, the mystery deaths again ?
So many people who were killed, even FBI agents, even CIA agents, on top of all the ordinary citizens, and nobody, nobody tried to resist or even go public about their fears. As to the hit squads, how many hitmen were there ? One hundred ? And no evidence whatsoever ?
Even in cartoons can't you find such cover-ups !!!!

[Robert Card]

19 minutes ago, François Carlier said:

I see that you didn't reply to my post about the backyard photos. May you didn't have the time.
At any rate, trying to deny that the backyard photos are genuine, and hence that Oswald did have the rifle and the revolver at his home, can only make you lose your credibility.
If you are an expert on the documentary discrepancies existing in Oswald's youth records, good for you and I'll grant you that, but that in NO way allows you to make false statements about the backyard photos !!!

Francois, you had to be cracking up laughing when you wrote this comment.   It was ME that asked about the backyard photos, and it was YOU that didn't reply.  Keeping that in mind about you not being able to find an 'honest' CTer is pretty funny too.

[François Carlier]

4 hours ago, Robert Card said:

Francois, you had to be cracking up laughing when you wrote this comment.   It was ME that asked about the backyard photos, and it was YOU that didn't reply.  Keeping that in mind about you not being able to find an 'honest' CTer is pretty funny too.

Calm down, and please don't interrupt. I was talking to Jim Hargrove, who indeed has yet to answer (if he can) my post.
Now, if you consider that I have failed to answer one of your questions, I apologize. Please ask again and I'll answer at once.

[Robert Card]

1 hour ago, François Carlier said:

Calm down, and please don't interrupt. I was talking to Jim Hargrove, who indeed has yet to answer (if he can) my post.
Now, if you consider that I have failed to answer one of your questions, I apologize. Please ask again and I'll answer at once.

Why are you trying to mislead the American public?

[Jim Hargrove]

7 hours ago, François Carlier said:

I see that you didn't reply to my post about the backyard photos. May you didn't have the time.
At any rate, trying to deny that the backyard photos are genuine, and hence that Oswald did have the rifle and the revolver at his home, can only make you lose your credibility.
If you are an expert on the documentary discrepancies existing in Oswald's youth records, good for you and I'll grant you that, but that in NO way allows you to make false statements about the backyard photos !!!

Your statement that it is an “indisputable fact” that the backyard photos are genuine doesn’t deserve an answer.  Whether they are genuine is one of the most contentious issues in this field and has been disputed endlessly.  I’m not going down the bottomless rabbit hole of that debate, other than to say from at least her HSCA testimony it was clear Marina didn’t have the slightest idea how to use a view camera such as the Imperial Reflex, nor was that camera among Oswald’s original possessions seized by the Dallas cops. 

On my website, John Armstrong writes:  “On the evening of the assassination Robert and Patricia Hester, who worked for National Photo Labs, saw several backyard photos in the hands of an FBI agent, one day before they were "officially" found by Dallas Police detectives in Ruth Paine's garage. That same evening one of the backyard photographs was seen by Michael Paine and Washington Evening Star reporter Jeremiah O'Leary at Dallas Police headquarters. But how did the FBI and Dallas Police get their hands on the backyard photos a day before they were found in Ruth Paine's garage?”

[Jim Hargrove]

HSCA: "I will show you those two photographs (133-A & 133-B) which are
marked JFK Exhibit 1 and JFK Exhibit 2, do you recognize those two
photographs?"
Marina: "I sure do. I have seen them many times."
HSCA: "What are they?"
Marina. "That is the pictures that I took."
HSCA: "Did you hold it [the Imperial Reflex camera] up to your eye and look
through the viewer to take the picture?"
Marina: "Yes."
HSCA: "When you took the first picture you held it up to your eye?" Marina:
"Yes."38
HSCA: "This camera, do you recall whether to take pictures with this camera,
you would look down into the viewfinder or whether you would hold the
camera up to your eye and look straight ahead?"
Marina: "I just recall I think it is straight."
HSCA: "You would put the camera up by your eye."
Marina: "Yes."39
 

Here is the view Marina couldn't remember:

 

Thanks to David Josephs for the image above.

[Sandy Larsen]

23 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

U.S. Postal Inspector Harry Holmes .... apparently was the only man on earth known to hear “Lee Harvey Oswald” say in police custody that he traveled to Mexico City....

I wasn't aware that Harry Holmes said that Oswald had traveled to Mexico City.

We (many or most of us) know that it wasn't Oswald at all who visited the Russian and Cuban embassies, and that he didn't travel by bus to get there. The whole thing was likely a CIA setup.

Which means that Harry Holmes was a CIA asset, does it not? Are there other indications that Holmes was CIA? (I think I saw other members saying something to that effect a long time ago. But at the time I didn't know who Harry Holmes was or the role he played.)

 

[Sandy Larsen]

12 hours ago, Robert Card said:

I was only suggesting that CTers have some fun with you guys, like you're doing with us.  Have fun, don't get angry.

 

The reason I come here now and then is for entertainment. I like to see the ideologues trounced. Plus some of the remarkably dumb things they say make me laugh.

At first I was hoping I could figure out what goes on in the mind of an LNer. But I've given up on that because the way they seem to think is so silly at times that it makes me think they are putting on an act.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

10 hours ago, François Carlier said:

At any rate, trying to deny that the backyard photos are genuine, and hence that Oswald did have the rifle and the revolver at his home, can only make you lose your credibility.

Francois, there are a lot of inconsistencies that prove that the backyard photos were faked. Here is one I discovered:

 

 

[Jim Hargrove]

5 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I wasn't aware that Harry Holmes said that Oswald had traveled to Mexico City.

We (many or most of us) know that it wasn't Oswald at all who visited the Russian and Cuban embassies, and that he didn't travel by bus to get there. The whole thing was likely a CIA setup.

Which means that Harry Holmes was a CIA asset, does it not? Are there other indications that Holmes was CIA? (I think I saw other members saying something to that effect a long time ago. But at the time I didn't know who Harry Holmes was or the role he played.)

I could only speculate about the Agency, Sandy, but Holmes was provably an active informant for the FBI (Dallas "T-2"). He was also the only non-law enforcement officer allowed to sit in during one of Oswald's interrogations, which occurred on Nov 24. Among the participants of that interview, Holmes alone heard Oswald say he went to Mexico City. In his testimony, Holmes told Belin all sorts of things Oswald supposedly did in MC.  No one else present appeared to hear that. In H&L, John wrote that four months before his WC testimony, on Dec. 17, 1963, Holmes wrote a detailed "Memorandum of Interview" which mentioned nothing about a trip to Mexico.

As you probably know, Holmes was instrumental in "finding" the Magic Money Order®, or one of them anyway, with a series of ever-changing stories about his discovery.  He would be my nominee as runner-up to Ruth Paine as as the most helpful finder of  desperately needed "evidence" in this case.

[François Carlier]

7 hours ago, Robert Card said:

Why are you trying to mislead the American public?

Is that really your question ?
Now I know why I didn't bother to answer...

[François Carlier]

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I wasn't aware that Harry Holmes said that Oswald had traveled to Mexico City.

We (many or most of us) know that it wasn't Oswald at all who visited the Russian and Cuban embassies, and that he didn't travel by bus to get there. The whole thing was likely a CIA setup.

Which means that Harry Holmes was a CIA asset, does it not? Are there other indications that Holmes was CIA? (I think I saw other members saying something to that effect a long time ago. But at the time I didn't know who Harry Holmes was or the role he played.)

 

Oh, my God ! Do you really believe what you write ? 
Lee Oswald did go to Mexico City. The evidence shows it. Now, you Believe that the evidence was faked by the CIA.
There's a word for that : delusion.