Jean Rene Souetre expelled from the US 18hrs after JFKA?!

[Steve Thomas]

23 hours ago, Roger Odisio said:

While preparing for a trip to Mexico by DeGaulle in the Spring of '64, French authorities contacted the FBI after they came across a story claiming that Souetre was in Dallas at the time of the JFA and was arrested and deported shortly thereafter.  Together, they determined that a man named Michel Roux (who was, they said, "not identical" to Souetre) had indeed been in Fort Worth at that time and left of his own volition.  Souetre had used Roux as one of his many aliases. That ended the inquiry.

 

Roger.

From Bernard Fensterwald’s lawsuit against the Department of State , January 16, 1981

https://archive.orf/stream/nsia-SouetreJean/nsia-SouetreJean/Souetre+Jean+o63_djvu.txt

Jean-Rene Souetre was born on October 15, 1930 at Ayguemorte-les-Graves in the Gironde Department of France.

Physiacally, Souetre is "almost 6;tall and weighs between 175-200 pounds.”

Michael Roux was born August 31, 1940 at Soyaux, Charaente, France. In 1964, He was described as a white male, 5’8”, 138-150 pounds, black hair”.

 

No, they were "not identical".

Steve Thomas

[Roger Odisio]

19 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Roger.

From Bernard Fensterwald’s lawsuit against the Department of State , January 16, 1981

https://archive.orf/stream/nsia-SouetreJean/nsia-SouetreJean/Souetre+Jean+o63_djvu.txt

Jean-Rene Souetre was born on October 15, 1930 at Ayguemorte-les-Graves in the Gironde Department of France.

Physiacally, Souetre is "almost 6;tall and weighs between 175-200 pounds.”

Michael Roux was born August 31, 1940 at Soyaux, Charaente, France. In 1964, He was described as a white male, 5’8”, 138-150 pounds, black hair”.

 

No, they were "not identical".

Steve Thomas

Steve,

I quoted the "not identical" line because I thought it was an odd, strangely bureaucratical, way to say they were not the same person.

 

[Roger Odisio]

On 1/20/2023 at 4:28 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Roger - thanks for picking up the ball. Many good researchers dismiss Souetre, or any French connection generally. DeGaulle did not. Albarelli likewise. The first reason this general theory appealed to me, and the reason I keep coming back to it, are entries in William Harvey’s files referring to the use of foreign agents and assassins. Combined with the QJWIN enduring mystery, the possible links of Otto Skorzeny to that individual or operation, Private Dinkins overhearing OAS radio traffic, etc, even Operation Gladio, Lemnitzer being sent to head NATO, Permindex, all of it points in the direction of possible outsourced assassins with a European connection. None of it actually conflicts with theories revolving around the CIA - Dulles Helms Angleton Phillips etc. 

I don't see how Souetre any longer can be dismissed as a possible shooter.  The link between the CIA gangsters including Dulles and Harvey, Skorzany running training camps for assassins in Spain, and Souetre as one of his prized pupils, is clear. See the assassination organization charts, p. 566-8 in Coup in Dallas, for example.

 

Technically the CIA was forbidden from domestic actions, but they already had established an office of domestic affairs (and no one could do anything about that--to this day).  By '63 they had more than a decade of experience overthrowing governments and killing those overseas who tried to stand in the way. 

 

The CIA and most of Washington expected Nixon to win in '60.  When that wet behind the ears rich kid won instead they were surprised, not to mention upset.  They quickly realized Kennedy was a problem for their world plans.  A problem that continued to grow as Kennedy grew into the office.

 

By then they could call on a roster of the world's best criminals. The JFKA was their biggest job ever.  It paved the way for their current perch of power.  To think they wouldn't have called upon the best assassins available to eliminate JFK is ludicrous.  Providing such candidates was Skorzany's, the former National Socialist SS officer, job. 

 

DeGaulle's instant reaction that the same group that was trying to kill him got JFK is powerful evidence. He certainly knew a lot about his enemies. 

 

[Ron Bulman]

Re reading this thread is fascinating. Paul is right.  Many here like me are not familiar as we should be with Permindex or GLADIO but this thread is very educational in the big picture relating to them.  Not to distract from Soutre or where it's gone but how does Clay Shaw and his association with them (?) the Trade Mart and Oswald fit in?  It all is a complex subject.

[Leslie Sharp]

On 1/30/2023 at 6:39 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Re reading this thread is fascinating. Paul is right.  Many here like me are not familiar as we should be with Permindex or GLADIO but this thread is very educational in the big picture relating to them.  Not to distract from Soutre or where it's gone but how does Clay Shaw and his association with them (?) the Trade Mart and Oswald fit in?  It all is a complex subject.

Ron, Pierre Lafitte — a central character in Hank Albarelli's investigation who maintained a datebook throughout 1963 — wrote, 

 

SOUETRE AND DAVIS IN APRIL HERE [HOTEL]

-SHAW WHERE?

—Lafitte datebook, MAY 9, 1963

We concluded that the Shaw named in the datebook is Clay LaVerne Shaw of New Orleans (board member of Perminde), and argue that since Lafitte knew Shaw personally, and Lafitte knew Souetre personally, then logically, Shaw was at the very least familiar with Souetre. (The Davis named in this May 9 entry is Teas native Thomas Eli Davis Jr, who has been credibly named as having run guns with Jack Ruby among others.) 

From Coup in Dallas . . . 

Shortly after JFK’s assassination, on December 9, 1963, the US State Department’s consulate in Tangier, Morocco, sent a “Priority” cable to Secretary of State Dean Rusk concerning an American named Thomas Eli Davis, Jr. The next day, copies of the cable were forwarded by Secretary Rusk’s office to top-ranking officials at the CIA, including DCI John McCone, Counterintelligence chief James Jesus Angleton and Deputy Director of Plans Richard Helms. Additional copies were sent to the Office of Naval Intelligence and the National Security Agency. A handwritten list on the CIA’s cable copy indicates that it was distributed to eight additional top-ranking officers at the CIA. 

(Note: Young Thomas Eli Davis was referred to as both Jr. and III in various government documents, newspaper accounts and family records. Experienced national reporter Seth Kantor explained, “Davis preferred to put ‘Jr.’ at the end of his name, even on legal documents,” but that as Davis’ name was identical to his father (living at the time) and his grandfather, III would be more accurate. The reader will encounter both Jr. and III, depending on the respective source material.) 

            The cable stated that Thomas Eli Davis, Jr., carrying US passport number D236764 issued in New Orleans on January 31, 1963, had been arrested in Tangier the day before, December 8, for “trying to sell two Walther pistols.” . . . 

. . . That Thomas Davis was in Mexico City “at a hotel thing” with Lee Harvey Oswald in September 1963 is a stunning and dramatic revelation. It is fully supported by jottings in the datebook of Pierre Lafitte for the dates September 29 and September 30, 1963. Lafitte’s entries make it quite clear that he had advance knowledge about Lee Harvey Oswald’s trip to Mexico City. The datebook for September 22, 1963, reads: “Oswald-Mexico.” On the same day, Lafitte entered the name “Gaudet” into his date book, and then, on September 26, he writes, “O traveling.” On September 27, after Lee Oswald had arrived in Mexico City, Lafitte entered the words: “Oswald—Comercio hotel- to meet with Tom D. at Luma.” About half an inch below this, Lafitte writes: “Meet with Broglie-Luma re O.” And on September 29, he wrote: “Tom at embassy—done.” On Oswald’s last day in Mexico, Lafitte writes: “Cable to Madrid- all ok- tell Tom D. O says come to Madrid.” That entry in particular looms large as we pursue Davis’ further role in the assassination.

 

[Leslie Sharp]

On 1/22/2023 at 1:54 PM, Roger Odisio said:

I don't see how Souetre any longer can be dismissed as a possible shooter.  The link between the CIA gangsters including Dulles and Harvey, Skorzany running training camps for assassins in Spain, and Souetre as one of his prized pupils, is clear. See the assassination organization charts, p. 566-8 in Coup in Dallas, for example.

 

Technically the CIA was forbidden from domestic actions, but they already had established an office of domestic affairs (and no one could do anything about that--to this day).  By '63 they had more than a decade of experience overthrowing governments and killing those overseas who tried to stand in the way. 

 

The CIA and most of Washington expected Nixon to win in '60.  When that wet behind the ears rich kid won instead they were surprised, not to mention upset.  They quickly realized Kennedy was a problem for their world plans.  A problem that continued to grow as Kennedy grew into the office.

 

By then they could call on a roster of the world's best criminals. The JFKA was their biggest job ever.  It paved the way for their current perch of power.  To think they wouldn't have called upon the best assassins available to eliminate JFK is ludicrous.  Providing such candidates was Skorzany's, the former National Socialist SS officer, job. 

 

DeGaulle's instant reaction that the same group that was trying to kill him got JFK is powerful evidence. He certainly knew a lot about his enemies. 

 

 'DeGaulle's instant reaction that the same group that was trying to kill him got JFK is powerful evidence. He certainly knew a lot about his enemies. 

Roger,
You're among the few since Coup was published who seems prepared to factor in the significance of Jean Souetre's attempt on de Gaulle in context of the plot for Dallas. 

In light of the appearances in the Lafitte datebook of Philippe de Vosjoli of the SDECE — who at the time was apparently no fan of de Gaulle, and OAS Capt. Souetre — who attempted to assassinate de Gaulle and was attempting to revive the efforts of the OAS in Algeria, it's impossible to ignore the possibility de Gaulle knew a good deal more about the Kennedy assassination than he ever let on.  I've wondered if this last tranche of assassination files being withheld for reasons of national security,  i.e. threat to relations with our most trusted allies in Europe? —  might shed light on what the French government knew, and when did it know it. 

Or, as we write in Coup, 

In early 1964, Jean Rene Souetre rose to a notorious prominence after the SDECE sent an inquiry to the FBI about Souetre and his presence in Dallas, Texas on the day President Kennedy was assassinated. The FBI had little in its files on Souetre, but the CIA notified the FBI that it had a large dossier on the Frenchman as well as photographs of him. The full content or extent of the CIA’s files on the Frenchman have never been revealed despite numerous Freedom of Information filings, all of which have been denied to date. Readers shall soon learn far more about the French and FBI inquiries, the CIA’s position on information about Souetre, and the Agency’s subsequent activities. 

            The one redacted page either from a secret memorandum or a cable dated April 1, 1964 on Souetre that was released by the CIA in 1977 reads:

8. Jean SOUETRE aka Michel ROUX aka Michel MERTZ—

On 5 March [1964], [Mr. Papich] of the FBI advised that the French had [hit] the Legal Attaché in Paris and also [the SDECE man] had queried the Bureau in New York City concerning subject stating that he had been Expelled from the U.S. at Fort Worth or Dallas 48 hours after the assassination. He was in Fort Worth on morning of 22 November and in Dallas in the afternoon. The French believe that he was expelled to either Mexico or Canada. In January he received mail from a dentist named Alderson living at 5803 Birmingham, Houston, Texas. Subject is believed to be identical with a Captain who is a deserter from the French Army and an activist in the OAS. The French are concerned because of de Gaulle’s planned visit to Mexico. They would like to know the reason for his expulsion from the US and his destination. Bureau files are negative and they are checking in Texas and with INS. They would like a check of our files with indications of what may be passed to the French. [The FBI’s Mr. Papich] was given a copy of CSCI-3/776, 742 previously furnished the Bureau and CSD3-3/655, 207 together with a photograph of Captain SOUETRE. 

Bracketed words were initially redacted by the CIA. This page is but a part of a page from a 14-page document. Where are the other pages? What do they say? As of early 2019, our FOIA requests have not been fulfilled.

[Roger Odisio]

20 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:

 'DeGaulle's instant reaction that the same group that was trying to kill him got JFK is powerful evidence. He certainly knew a lot about his enemies. 

Roger,
You're among the few since Coup was published who seems prepared to factor in the significance of Jean Souetre's attempt on de Gaulle in context of the plot for Dallas. 

In light of the appearances in the Lafitte datebook of Philippe de Vosjoli of the SDECE — who at the time was apparently no fan of de Gaulle, and OAS Capt. Souetre — who attempted to assassinate de Gaulle and was attempting to revive the efforts of the OAS in Algeria, it's impossible to ignore the possibility de Gaulle knew a good deal more about the Kennedy assassination than he ever let on.  I've wondered if this last tranche of assassination files being withheld for reasons of national security,  i.e. threat to relations with our most trusted allies in Europe? —  might shed light on what the French government knew, and when did it know it. 

Or, as we write in Coup, 

In early 1964, Jean Rene Souetre rose to a notorious prominence after the SDECE sent an inquiry to the FBI about Souetre and his presence in Dallas, Texas on the day President Kennedy was assassinated. The FBI had little in its files on Souetre, but the CIA notified the FBI that it had a large dossier on the Frenchman as well as photographs of him. The full content or extent of the CIA’s files on the Frenchman have never been revealed despite numerous Freedom of Information filings, all of which have been denied to date. Readers shall soon learn far more about the French and FBI inquiries, the CIA’s position on information about Souetre, and the Agency’s subsequent activities. 

            The one redacted page either from a secret memorandum or a cable dated April 1, 1964 on Souetre that was released by the CIA in 1977 reads:

8. Jean SOUETRE aka Michel ROUX aka Michel MERTZ—

On 5 March [1964], [Mr. Papich] of the FBI advised that the French had [hit] the Legal Attaché in Paris and also [the SDECE man] had queried the Bureau in New York City concerning subject stating that he had been Expelled from the U.S. at Fort Worth or Dallas 48 hours after the assassination. He was in Fort Worth on morning of 22 November and in Dallas in the afternoon. The French believe that he was expelled to either Mexico or Canada. In January he received mail from a dentist named Alderson living at 5803 Birmingham, Houston, Texas. Subject is believed to be identical with a Captain who is a deserter from the French Army and an activist in the OAS. The French are concerned because of de Gaulle’s planned visit to Mexico. They would like to know the reason for his expulsion from the US and his destination. Bureau files are negative and they are checking in Texas and with INS. They would like a check of our files with indications of what may be passed to the French. [The FBI’s Mr. Papich] was given a copy of CSCI-3/776, 742 previously furnished the Bureau and CSD3-3/655, 207 together with a photograph of Captain SOUETRE. 

Bracketed words were initially redacted by the CIA. This page is but a part of a page from a 14-page document. Where are the other pages? What do they say? As of early 2019, our FOIA requests have not been fulfilled.

Note to Bill and Larry:  Another thing to request NARA to ask from the CIA.  The "large dossier" on Jean Rene Souetre the CIA told the FBI they had in 1964 when the French asked the FBI about Souetre.  Which FOIA requests have been unable to uncover.  As you guys know, one reason the JFK Records Act was passed was the FOIA had been insufficient get lots of important information from government agencies.

 

In the Devil's Chessboard, David Talbott added details about the situation both JFK and DeGaulle were in at the time.  After the coup attempt on DeGaulle in the Spring of '61, JFK assured DeGaulle he was backing him, and asked the French for help in tracking down the "US officials" behind the coup, saying they would be punished.  He called the French ambassador in Washington, Herve Alphand, to tell him "the CIA is such a vast and poorly controlled machine that the most unlikely maneuvers might be true." (according to Alphand).  The CIA was uncontrolled by him.  It was an apology to DeGaulle for the position Kennedy found himself with the CIA.

 

DeGaulle knew the CIA was involved in the efforts to kill him.  Both men knew they had a common enemy. 

 

The memo posted here recently from Richard Helms about the ZRRifle project establishes the context. "The purpose of Project ZRRIFLE is to spot, develop and use foreign agent assets for Division D operations.  Agents will be spotted in several areas, including the United States, but for operational security reasons will probably not be used in their countries of residence". 

 

 

[Paul Brancato]

I too wonder if they are withholding Souetre files, as well as files on Thomas Eli Davis. 

[Steve Thomas]

On 1/22/2023 at 2:54 PM, Roger Odisio said:

I don't see how Souetre any longer can be dismissed as a possible shooter.  

 

Roger,

I do not believe that Jean Rene Souetre was a shooter in the JFK assassination based on what I know of the character of the man, rather than for any ideological or political reasons. My reasons for saying this are threefold:

 

Reason# 1 – He was an honorable man. In the speech he gave at his trial in December, 1961, the column he wrote in the book, Algerie Francaise, 1942-1962, entitled; Le Premier Maquis; and the letter he wrote to the Camp Commandant after his escape from Camo L’Ardoise, he stressed that the actions he took were done as an officer in the service of France.

 

After his escape from the prison camp, Souetre and Mura sent this letter to the prison commandant:

“Monsieur. Respectueux des décisions de justice qui ont fait de nous des hommes libres, nous avons jugé de notre devoir de nous soustraire à une mesure incompatible avec notre état d’officier. Nous aurions été indignes de notre uniforme en acceptant de remplacer dans votre camp ceux que la France nous avait donnés pour mission de combattre. Respectueux de nos serments, fidèles aux traditions de notre Arme, convaincus de la justice de notre cause, nous ne pouvions demeurer plus longtemps dans une expectative coupable. Nous sommes persuadés Monsieur qu’il vous est facile de comprendre. Nous en appelons à votre dignité en vous demandant de vous refuser à remplir à l’avenir des fonctions qui déshonorent le Corps de la Police française. Mura et Souètre.”

(Arch. dép. du Gard, CA 1568).

 

“Respectful of the judicial decisions which made us free men, we felt it our duty to avoid a measure incompatible with our position as officers. We would have been unworthy of our uniform by agreeing to replace in your camp those whom France had given us to fight. Respectful of our oaths, faithful to the traditions of our Arms, convinced of the justice of our cause, we could not remain longer in a guilty expectancy. We are convinced Monsieur, that it is easy for you to understand. We appeal to your dignity by asking you to refuse to fulfill in the future, functions that dishonor the French Police Corps. Mura and Souètre."

 

Before the Special Military Tribunal

http://adimad.info/galerie/MAQUISBOURGUIRAT/Maquis_Sou_tre_2

 

Captain Souètre Explains Why He Created the First “French Algerian” Maquis

 

PARIS - The Special Military Tribunal created to explain the affected affairs to the State Sûreté in relation with the Algerian events, resumed its meeting here this afternoon in the locality of the 17^th Correctional Chambers where it unraveled the process of Captain Souètre and his military and civilian accomplices who had constituted a combat group in Algeria.

 

Before President Leyria opened the audience, eight men are in the box; three military in the leopard garb of parachutists; Captain René Souètre, Sergeants François Lemieur and Pierre Luca and five civilians; Charles Charnay, René Guedi, Albert Lefèvre, Dominique Squyilace, and Yvon Toffolo. The case of eight other defendents, in fact, are separate.

 

Air Force Captain Souètre, had decided, last February, to take in the maquis several others that had been transferred to the Meropole. In some appeals to his “comrades of combat”, he affirmed that it was the “Hour of the Centurions” and that they should “Cross the Rubicon”.

 

After having recruited several comrades, he installed himself on February 14^th on the “Marcel” farm in Cheffa Ouled in the Bouguirat Canton, Mostaganem Department. It was there that the platoons of reconnaissance gendarmes arrested this first maquis on the 21^st, 23^rd and 26^th of last February.

gérant

 

The Declaration

Of Captain Souètre

 

d'ecoutér

“I have not acted with any interest but by ideal,” stated Souêtre, summoned to explain his attempt.

 

“We, soldiers at the moment of May 18^th, we have known a hope without limit,” insisted the officer, who affirmed, “We listened to the Chief of State who said, among other things at Böne, (Algeria), “France is here with its vocation, it is here for always.” “We, armed, were according to our proper terms were assured that the parole of France would be given. But we were abused of that. We do not have any more reason to fight. So, rather than fill the the honorable function of a manager of soldiers in Constantine, or return to the Metropole, I preferred to remain in the face of danger”. I am a soldier. My place is in combat.” claimed Souetre. In taking the maquis, I was determined to organize in Ouarsenis a corps of French musulmans destined to combat the F.L.N. With these methods, these rough methods that I had experimented with officially in Kabylia in October, 1960, I attempted to enlist some pro-French orators with some under-officers (sub-alterns,or warrant officers?) to sponaneously come to join me. But on the eve of my arrest, I had to surrender to the evidence: those who had joined me had no combat experience. I had to return them”.

 

Having also furnished his version of the facts and (cut?) all liason with the extremists, Captain Souêtre forcefully said, “The Army does not have any law, honor in the fidelity in the defense of national pride: It devalued me. The failure is the affair of mercenaries, not of French soldiers”.

After the general amnesty devlared in 1968, Souetre returned to France and served in the civil government. And even ran as a member of the European Parliament in 2001.

La Flamme October 14, 2013:

http://la-flamme.fr/2013/10/15-octobre-1930-naissance-de-jean-souetre/

Dès son retour en métropole, il devient membre du Front National et un pilier de la fédération de Savoie ou il se présente régulièrement aux élections.

(My rough translation: From his return to France, he served as a member of the Front National Party and a pillar of society representing Savoie where he regularly ran in the elections.)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute-Savoie

Haute-Savoie is a department in the Rhône-Alpes region of eastern France, bordering both Switzerland and Italy. Its capital is Annecy. To the north is Lake Geneva and Switzerland; to the south and southeast are the Mont Blanc and Aravis mountain ranges. The French entrance to the Mont Blanc Tunnel to Italy is in Haute-Savoie. It is noted for winter sports; the first Winter Olympic Games were held at Chamonix in 1924.

 

Reason# 2 – He was the father of a newborn baby, and I don’t think he would have disgraced his newborn son.

When he was posted to Algeria, he earned the nickname, “Robin Hood of Ouarsenis”, where he was stationed. (see below)

 

His second marriage was to Josette Suzanne Marcailhou d'Aymeric on January 26, 1962. They had a child named Yannick.

Yannick is a first name which originated in Brittany, France where the combination of its two Breton language parts, Yann and Ick results in the meaning of "Little John" or Petit Jean in French. It is used as a first name mostly for men and is of use, notably, in French speaking countries like France, (a part of) Belgium, Switzerland. (Romandy), Canada, (Quebec) and former French African colonies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yannick

 

The photo above appeared in an article by Jean-Claude Sanchez, Editor-in-Chief of the magazine "Debout les Paras" Le Journal de L'Union Nationale des Parachutistes. Jean-Claude Sanchez was the President of the Haute-Savoie section of the U.N.P. in 1982.

The Caption reads: (Le Capitaine Souetre in Timimoun in 1957.)

The Timimoun District is in Adrar Province, south-central Algeria.

 

Errol Flynn in the movie, Robin Hood:

 

Reason# 3 – He was flamboyant. If he took an action, it would have been done out in the open. I don’t think he would have shot someone long-range, hidden as a sniper. That wasn’t in his character.

On January 20, 1962, he married Josette Marcailhou d'Aymeric, cousin of René Villard. This created a scandal in French social circles has they were married in the camp of Saint Maurice-l’Ardoise. where he was imprisoned. The ceremony took place in the presence of the deputy commander of the IX Military Region, General Clémen, who serced as a witness for the groom. The marriage was covered by the magazine, Paris Match.

Instead of a Guard of Honor consisting of crossed swords, the inmates are holding strands of barbed wire.

"CAMP ST MAURICE ARDOISE"

 

For these reasons, I just don't see him as a sniper, hiding in the shadows, shooting someone from ambush.

Steve Thomas

[David Butler]

@Steve Thomas

I can’t see him as a sniper either but I have wondered if he might have possibly pointed in the direction of people who could do the job as he was well connected and would have known who was trustworthy enough to take on such a task….

I made a thread about someone known to him on here a while back after finding a photo of the Frenchy Tramp had been placed on the page from him on a French website

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26975-the-%E2%80%9Cfrenchy%E2%80%9D-tramp/

A document on the MFF says that this person was arrested with Souetre as one of nine members of Algerie Francaise.

9. A civilian identified first as ‘Belgadia’ and later as ‘Henry Sloboda’

The adimad link in your post doesn’t appear to work. Has that site now disappeared ?? From that link Sergeants François Lemieur and Pierre Luca were also amongst the nine arrested with Souetre. I was interested in whether there was anything else on the site about the eight other “separate” defendants….

Thanks

David

[Steve Thomas]

1 hour ago, David Butler said:

@Steve Thomas

 

A document on the MFF says that this person was arrested with Souetre as one of nine members of Algerie Francaise.

9. A civilian identified first as ‘Belgadia’ and later as ‘Henry Sloboda’

The adimad link in your post doesn’t appear to work. Has that site now disappeared ?? From that link Sergeants François Lemieur and Pierre Luca were also amongst the nine arrested with Souetre. I was interested in whether there was anything else on the site about the eight other “separate” defendants….

Thanks

David

Dabid,

There were eight defendants on trial at the Tribunal.

3 military and 5 civilians.

The military men were Jean-Rene Souetre and Sergeants Pierre Luca and Francois Lemineur

The five civilians were:

• Charles Charnay

• René Guedi

• Albert Lefèvre (Albert Levèvre would later escape with him through the tunnel at Saint Maurice L'Ardoise)

• Dominique Squyilace

• Yvon Toffolo

Steve Thomas

[David Butler]

Thanks @Steve Thomas

I was referring to the quote that 

Before President Leyria opened the audience, eight men are in the box; three military in the leopard garb of parachutists; Captain René Souètre, Sergeants François Lemieur and Pierre Luca and five civilians; Charles Charnay, René Guedi, Albert Lefèvre, Dominique Squyilace, and Yvon Toffolo.

The case of eight other defendants, in fact, are separate.

Which makes it sound as though there are other cases that are separate for another eight

Which I think should include the one I am interested in as the Frenchy Tramp Henri Slebodia or various other spellings...

 

 

[Steve Thomas]

1 hour ago, David Butler said:

Thanks @Steve Thomas

I was referring to the quote that 

Before President Leyria opened the audience, eight men are in the box; three military in the leopard garb of parachutists; Captain René Souètre, Sergeants François Lemieur and Pierre Luca and five civilians; Charles Charnay, René Guedi, Albert Lefèvre, Dominique Squyilace, and Yvon Toffolo.

The case of eight other defendants, in fact, are separate.

Which makes it sound as though there are other cases that are separate for another eight

Which I think should include the one I am interested in as the Frenchy Tramp Henri Slebodia or various other spellings...

 

 

David,

I think you may be right. It looks like they were trying them in groups.

You might be interested in this article from Le Monde of December 18, 1961:

Francois Lemineur and Pierre Luca - Le Monde December 18, 1961

http://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1961/12/18/les-membres-du-premier-maquis-algerie-francaise-comparaitront-lundi-devant-le-tribunal-militaire_2279543_1819218.html?xtmc=souetre_lemineur&xtcr=3

 

Aux côtés du capitaine Souètre doivent comparaître les sergents déserteurs François Lemineur et Pierre Luca, ainsi que des civils : Charles Charnay, René Guedj, Albert Lefèvre, Dominique Squillace et Yvon Toffolo.

Les autres accusés, en fuite, doivent être jugés par contumace : le sergent-chef Pierre Esquer, André de Brousse de Montpeyroux, Jean-Loup Blanchy, Aimé Blanc, Alain Loncle de Forville, Hyeck Slebioda, Yvon Agnor, Jean Clavel, Alain Di Crescenzo, Josué Giner, Paul Mancilla, René Monjo, Joseph Rizza et Antoine Terol.

Steve Thomas

 

[Ron Bulman]

Steve, and David.  I don't understand French, thus much of the recent above comments.  But I've questioned Soutre as a shooter for some time.

His superior Skorzeny would never have been seen in Dealy Plaza given his facial scars.  If Soutre was his prized pupil, would he have been possibly sent as an operational supervisor of maybe some of the above eight or others?  To coordinate operations, shots, shooting sites, escape routes?

Along this vein, might Soutre have conferred with say David Morales, also experienced in such operations.  Who knows, maybe already familiar with each other? 

[Steve Thomas]

19 hours ago, David Butler said:

@Steve Thomas

I

I made a thread about someone known to him on here a while back after finding a photo of the Frenchy Tramp had been placed on the page from him on a French website

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/26975-the-%E2%80%9Cfrenchy%E2%80%9D-tramp/

A document on the MFF says that this person was arrested with Souetre as one of nine members of Algerie Francaise.

9. A civilian identified first as ‘Belgadia’ and later as ‘Henry Sloboda’

David

David,

The OAS detainees were spread out among a number of prsons and camps in France and Algeria.

Some of the more notable ones in France were Fresnes, Thol, Sante and St, Maurice.

It looks like the man you were looking for was sent to Fresnes.

If you

If you'd like to see a couple of pictures of what Fresnes looked like you can go here:

http://deltas-collines.org/galerie/FRESNES

Steve Thomas

Edited February 5, 2023 by Steve Thomas