Going postal on Mrs. Postal

[Gil Jesus]

As Johnny Brewer had done, Mrs. Julia Postal gave three different versions of what happened.

In the first version, the affidavit she gave Dallas Police dated December 4, 1963, Mrs. Postal makes no mention of a man wearing a brown shirt, only states that she saw a man duck into the 'lobby area" outside the doors as police cars were going by.

She further states that her boss, John A. Callahan, got into his car and drove down the street to see where the cruisers were going. At that time, she came out of her ticket box and looked west to see if she could see anything.

In this version, as she turned around, "Johnny Brewer, manager of Hardy's Shoe Store was standing there. As I started back in the box office, Johnny asked me if I sold 'that man' a ticket. I asked him what man ? He said the man who just ducked in here. I told him no I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here." ( 24 H 221 ) 

The second version comes from her FBI interview dated February 27, 1964. In this version, she tells the FBI that she is "unable to recall whether or not he bought a ticket". The report goes on to say that Brewer came to her and "asked if she observed a man run into the theater. She said she had..." ( Oswald 209 file, Vol. 29, Item 28 , pg. 7 )

The third version comes from her deposition given to Joseph Ball dated April 2, 1964.  In this version, she again says that she told Brewer that she did not sell a ticket to the man who ducked into the lobby. ( 7 H 11 )

So her three versions are that:

1. She didn't know what man Brewer was talking about.

2. Couldn't recall whether or not the man bought a ticket but saw him run into the theater.

3. Did not sell him a ticket.

Needless to say, only # 3 made it into the Report.

What she says next is revealing:

"Mr. Brewer said that he had been ducking in at his place of business and that he had gone by me because I was facing west." ( ibid. )
A strange comment for sure from a man who supposedly watched the "man in the window" walk 60 yards away and saw him turn right into the lobby of the theater. He never saw the man go into the lobby. He was told the man went in. When he got there, the man was gone. That's why he asked Mrs. Postal if she sold him a ticket. That's why he thought the man went by her.

Postal couldn't deal with the fact that the man had gone by her. Instead, she was convinced that the man was in the theater although she had to admit under oath that contrary to what she told the FBI, she "didn't see him actually enter the theater." ( ibid. )

Instead, she sent Burroughs and Brewer into the theater to locate the man. When they couldn't, rather than accept that the man had passed by her, she called the police.

Postal testified that she saw the man duck into the lobby at the same time her boss, John Callahan came out of the theater to drive down to see what the cops were up to. She said that they passed each other, one going into the lobby and one coming out. ( ibid. ) Callahan may or may not have gotten a look at the man who passed him coming into the lobby as he left. He was there to take tickets that day ( 7 H 10 ) and whether he could identify the man who passed him or whether he took a ticket from that man will never be known.

Because Mr. Callahan was never interviewed by the Dallas Police, the Sheriff's Department or the FBI and was never called to testify.

Why not ? A man who could verify that Oswald entered the theater without buying a ticket and he was never even interviewed ?

Finally, Mrs. Postal was never asked straight up by the Dallas Police, the FBI or Commission Counsel if the man they had taken out of the Texas Theater ( Oswald ) was the same man she saw duck into the lobby as her boss left. In addition, Mrs. Postal was never asked if she had sold a ticket to that same man.

This is the Warren Commission's case against Oswald, the man who had $13.87 in his pocket at the time of the arrest, but who decided to beat the Texas Theater out of a 90-cent movie ticket. It's ridiculous.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Gil Jesus

[Bill Brown]

4 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

This is the Warren Commission's case against Oswald, the man who had $13.87 in his pocket at the time of the arrest, but who decided to beat the Texas Theater out of a 90-cent movie ticket. It's ridiculous.

On this point, you're not thinking logically.

 

By the time Oswald snuck into the theater, about an hour and ten minutes had passed since the assassination.  He had no idea whether or not his face had been plastered all over the television by this point.  Why risk the ticket seller (Postal) recognizing him?

 

In addition, Oswald could also be thinking that maybe his face has not yet been plastered all over the news but... why pay for a ticket and risk the ticket seller (Postal) seeing your face a half hour later on the news and recognizing you as the man who had just bought a ticket a half hour ago?

 

It was just easier and safer for him to sneak in, and if not for Brewer, it would have worked, i.e. he successfully snuck past Postal.

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Bill Brown

[Charles Blackmon]

Its kind of funny that Lone Nut adherents think they are experts at explaining what Oswald was thinking in all sorts of situations that day. Yet none can explain his thinking concerning why he went into the Texas Theater.

[Gil Jesus]

1 hour ago, Charles Blackmon said:

Its kind of funny that Lone Nut adherents think they are experts at explaining what Oswald was thinking in all sorts of situations that day. Yet none can explain his thinking concerning why he went into the Texas Theater.

Good point. It's so funny how the same Oswald that was so cool and collected once in police custody, the same Oswald who was so cool and at ease in the second floor lunchroom with a police officer's gun pointed at him and the same Oswald who was so calm during interrogation that the police thought he had received special training in interrogation, could completely fall apart at the mere sound of sirens.

I mean, wow what a contrast.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Gil Jesus

[Gil Jesus]

2 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

On this point, you're not thinking logically.

By the time Oswald snuck into the theater, about an hour and ten minutes had passed since the assassination.  He had no idea whether or not his face had been plastered all over the television by this point.  Why risk the ticket seller (Postal) recognizing him?

In addition, Oswald could also be thinking that maybe his face has not yet been plastered all over the news but... why pay for a ticket and risk the ticket seller (Postal) seeing your face a half hour later on the news and recognizing you as the man who had just bought a ticket a half hour ago?

It was just easier and safer for him to sneak in, and if not for Brewer, it would have worked, i.e. he successfully snuck past Postal.

 

Postal had seen a television ? This is news to me. Please give a citation.

He didn't want to be recognized so he ran down one of the busiest streets in Oak Cliff ?

?????????

One of us isn't thinking logically but it isn't me.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Gil Jesus

[David Von Pein]

1 hour ago, Charles Blackmon said:

[It's] kind of funny that Lone Nut adherents think they are experts at explaining what Oswald was thinking in all sorts of situations that day. Yet none can explain his thinking concerning why he went into the Texas Theater.

Oh yes they can, Charles. That's an easy one to figure out, in fact. Very easy....

Lee Harvey Oswald ducked inside the Texas Theater (without paying) shortly after he killed Police Officer J.D. Tippit because he figured that a nice dark movie theater would be a good place to hide out from the police---i.e., the police that Oswald knew would be searching the Oak Cliff area high and low for Tippit's killer.

And if it hadn't been for the very observant Johnny Brewer, Oswald might very well have succeeded in not being seen or detected while hiding out in the theater.

We can't know, of course, exactly how long Oswald would have stayed inside the movie theater if he hadn't been spotted by Brewer and then subsequently arrested just minutes later, but Oswald might have had it in his mind to stay in the theater until it got dark and then he could try to get away under the cloak of darkness.

That plan certainly makes sense to this "Lone Nut adherent" anyway.

Edited August 1, 2022 by David Von Pein

[Gil Jesus]

4 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

Oh yes they can, Charles. That's an easy one to figure out, in fact. Very easy....

Lee Harvey Oswald ducked inside the Texas Theater (without paying) shortly after he killed Police Officer J.D. Tippit because he figured that a nice dark movie theater would be a good place to hide out from the police---i.e., the police that Oswald knew would be searching the Oak Cliff area high and low for Tippit's killer.

And if it hadn't been for the very observant Johnny Brewer, Oswald might very well have succeeded in not being seen or detected while hiding out in the theater.

We can't know, of course, exactly how long Oswald would have stayed inside the movie theater if he hadn't been spotted by Brewer and then subsequently arrested just minutes later, but Oswald might have had it in his mind to stay in the theater until it got dark and then he could try to get away under the cloak of darkness.

That plan certainly makes sense to this "Lone Nut adherent" anyway.

 

Typical Von Pein: long on comment, long on BS, short on evidence.

"...the very observant Johnny Brewer...", LOL you're kidding right ?

Three times Brewer said that the "man in the window" entered the theater.

"He went into the theater" ( Affidavit of 12/6/63 located in Dallas Police Box 2, Sec. 3.16, pg 73 )

"He walked into the entrance of the theater" ( CD 735, pg. 266 )

"He walked into the Texas Theater" ( testimony at 7 H 4 )

The only problem is that from his vantage point standing in front of his store 50 to 60 yards away, he couldn't see the doors of the theater because they were recessed.

Mr. "very observant" couldn't see the doors but saw the man enter the theater.

Yeah, right.

[Bill Brown]

5 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

Postal had seen a television ? This is news to me. Please give a citation.

I didn't say that.

[David Von Pein]

2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

Typical Von Pein: long on comment, long on BS, short on evidence.

"...the very observant Johnny Brewer...", LOL you're kidding right ?

Three times Brewer said that the "man in the window" entered the theater.

"He went into the theater" ( Affidavit of 12/6/63 located in Dallas Police Box 2, Sec. 3.16, pg 73 )

"He walked into the entrance of the theater" ( CD 735, pg. 266 )

"He walked into the Texas Theater" ( testimony at 7 H 4 )

The only problem is that from his vantage point standing in front of his store 50 to 60 yards away, he couldn't see the doors of the theater because they were recessed.

Mr. "very observant" couldn't see the doors but saw the man enter the theater.

Yeah, right.

To throw your own words back at you --- You're kidding, right?!

You MUST be kidding here. Because nobody could possibly think Johnny Brewer was lying when he said Oswald went into the theater.

Why?

1.) Brewer, while standing on the sidewalk on Jefferson Boulevard in front of his Hardy's Shoe Store, sees Oswald approaching the Texas Theater.

2.) Brewer then sees Oswald turn right toward the front entrance to the theater.

3.) Brewer then walks toward the theater himself.

4.) After starting to walk toward the theater and after reaching the front of the theater, at no time did Brewer see Oswald come back out to the sidewalk on Jefferson.

5.) The logical conclusion that Johnny Brewer reached, therefore, was that the man who was acting "funny" and "scared" and "nervous" in front of his shoe store just a minute earlier (i.e., Lee Harvey Oswald) must have physically entered the Texas Theater because (similar to the logical reasoning that explains where Bullet CE399 went after it came out of John F. Kennedy's throat)---He had nowhere else to go but into the theater. (Unless you want to theorize that Oswald was able to cloak himself somehow and become invisible.)

Edited August 2, 2022 by David Von Pein

[Gil Jesus]

9 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

 

Typical Von Pein: long on comment, long on BS, short on evidence.

"...the very observant Johnny Brewer...", LOL you're kidding right ?

Three times Brewer said that the "man in the window" entered the theater.

"He went into the theater" ( Affidavit of 12/6/63 located in Dallas Police Box 2, Sec. 3.16, pg 73 )

"He walked into the entrance of the theater" ( CD 735, pg. 266 )

"He walked into the Texas Theater" ( testimony at 7 H 4 )

The only problem is that from his vantage point standing in front of his store 50 to 60 yards away, he couldn't see the doors of the theater because they were recessed.

Mr. "very observant" couldn't see the doors but saw the man enter the theater.

Yeah, right.

Let's take a look at Mr. Von Pein's "very observant" witness Johnny Calvin Brewer:
 

1. Brewer said the "man in the window" entered the Texas Theater when it was physically impossible for him to have seen that from his vantage point standing out on the sidewalk in front of his store because the doors to the theater were recessed. ( see above )
 

2. Not only could Brewer "not remember" the color of the man's pants, he couldn't tell the Commission whether they were light-colored or dark. ( 7 H 3 )
 

3. When Brewer got to the box office and saw that the man was no longer in the lobby, he told Mrs. Postal that the man had gone by her. ( 7 H 11 )
 

This evidence indicates that Brewer never saw the man walking towards the theater, never saw him enter the theater and really didn't know which way he went.
 

It completely blows away his version of what happened up to the point where he confronts Mrs. Postal.

The  description of the man he gave Postal and Burroughs ( 7 H 4 ) , was based solely on the color of the man's shirt, a far less description one would expect from a witness who was "very observant".
 

[Gil Jesus]

8 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

He had nowhere else to go but into the theater. (Unless you want to theorize that Oswald was able to cloak himself somehow and become invisible.)

That's BS. He had $ 13.87 cash. He could have taken a taxi or one of the three busses that travelled west on Jefferson between 1:22 and 1:42 ( FBI # 62-109060, Sec. 54, pg 134 ). Any guilty party who just killed a cop would have sought to flee the scene as soon as possible. But this guy decided to WALK down one of the busiest streets in Oak Cliff in spite of the fact that the police were looking for someone on foot.

Gimme a break.

Edited August 2, 2022 by Gil Jesus

[Gil Jesus]

9 hours ago, Bill Brown said:

I didn't say that.

Yes you did, you implied that Postal had seen his face on television. You said:

" By the time Oswald snuck into the theater, about an hour and ten minutes had passed since the assassination.  He had no idea whether or not his face had been plastered all over the television by this point.  Why risk the ticket seller (Postal) recognizing him?"

[Mark Ulrik]

24 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

Yes you did, you implied that Postal had seen his face on television. You said:

" By the time Oswald snuck into the theater, about an hour and ten minutes had passed since the assassination.  He had no idea whether or not his face had been plastered all over the television by this point.  Why risk the ticket seller (Postal) recognizing him?"

Oh boy. Oswald had no way of knowing who had seen what on television. That's not a hard concept to grasp.

[Gil Jesus]

22 minutes ago, Mark Ulrik said:

Oh boy. Oswald had no way of knowing who had seen what on television. That's not a hard concept to grasp.

Tell that to Bill Brown. He said it.

[Mark Ulrik]

1 hour ago, Gil Jesus said:

Tell that to Bill Brown. He said it.

Are we talking about what he said or what you think he said?