Texas Theater: Fill in the blank!

[Mark Ulrik]

1 hour ago, David Von Pein said:

I don't really see much difference, Mark. I think the two words can probably be used interchangeably.

It's similar to the words "full-size" and "full-sized". I'm never quite sure which one to use when I write out that word. I usually opt to put the D on the end. I think the D in there makes it more "fully accurate". But I could be wrong about that. 🙂

I know what you mean, David, but at least in some cases, "advance" seems the safer choice. An expression like "advanced knowledge" can also be understood to mean "higher level of knowledge". GN (Grammar Nut) mode off 🙂

[Guest]

19 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

1. You can’t predict what your fall guy is going to do after the assassination.

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19 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

2. You assign the job of whacking Oswald to a familiar mob associate that you have enough dirt on to leverage into doing whatever the hell you want. You threaten him and his family, but also promise him money, dreams of being a hero, and tell him he has cancer and won’t be around very long anyway.

 

19 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

3. You plan the elimination of Oswald in an environment you have complete control over, establish an extremely simple yet believable cover story for Ruby, and either signal him from a DPD window or only move Oswald once he’s moved into place.

 

19 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

4. You don’t entrust Ruby with Jack-$h!t. Ruby has a brain and can figure out that he’s in Texas and that the guy who benefited most from the assassination is a Texan.

 

19 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

5. You’re confident enough in your leverage on Ruby and the fact that he effectively knows nothing that he won’t go blabbing right away. Ruby later starts giving indications that he can’t be trusted to stay quiet forever, so you send in a drug specialist to induce psychotomimetic symptoms and ruin his credibility.

 

19 hours ago, Tom Gram said:

This is the biggest problem I have with lone assassin thinking. Your five supposed paradoxes are only really paradoxes if the alleged conspirators had the problem solving and contingency planning abilities of a third grader.

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by Lance Payette

[David Von Pein]

4 hours ago, Mark Ulrik said:

I know what you mean, David, but at least in some cases, "advance" seems the safer choice. An expression like "advanced knowledge" can also be understood to mean "higher level of knowledge". GN (Grammar Nut) mode off 🙂

Yeah, the more I think about it, I think you're probably right. (I'd better go remove those extra Ds.) 😄

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by David Von Pein

[David Von Pein]

22 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

Curious, why did he [Oswald] not try to shoot Nixon?

I would guess that when given a choice of which political figure to take a shot at (Kennedy or Nixon) during those days in late November of 1963, Lee Oswald had his "sights" set a little higher than Mr. Nixon (plus there's also the important additional fact that one of those political figures was going to be driving slowly past the front door of Oswald's very own workplace). So I don't imagine the choice was too difficult.

Or are you suggesting that Oswald could have killed two birds with one Carcano in Dallas in Nov. '63? I suppose he could have bagged Nixon at his Pepsi convention on November 21st and then while Lee was at work on Nov. 22, he could get himself a second politician in JFK.

And he could have gone for the Hat Trick by also taking out Lyndon Johnson while his car was also on Elm Street on 11/22. 😁

BTW, speaking of Oswald wanting to take a shot at Nixon, I've added this page to my website:

http://DVP's JFK Archives.blogspot.com / Oswald And The Nixon Incident

 

Edited February 14, 2023 by David Von Pein

[David G. Healy]

On 2/13/2023 at 4:34 PM, David Von Pein said:

Huh?? What's your complaint this time? Don't like those particular words for some reason?

 

you are still breathing?  lmao!

Edited February 15, 2023 by David G. Healy

[Ron Bulman]

On 2/13/2023 at 12:55 PM, Matthew Koch said:

Allen, if you look into who owned the Texas Theater at the time, it was owned by Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes assistant was Robert Maheu was the cut out for the CIA-Mafia plots.. I'm sure our LN'ers will say; that is just a coincidence.. 

I've never read that.  That HH owned the Texas Theater in 1963.  That's valuable information.  Have a source?

[Ron Bulman]

On 2/13/2023 at 12:29 PM, David Von Pein said:

You don't think a nice dark movie theater would be a good place for a double-murderer who's on the run from the cops to hide for at least a little while? Why in the world not?

 

Perfect place for a set-up of a patsy.  Here's half of a dollar bill, go there and match it up.

[Ron Bulman]

On 2/13/2023 at 12:32 PM, David Von Pein said:

Is this the "Martino" that you're talking about, Allen?

(Excerpt from Vince Bugliosi's book regarding a "John Martino". Click to enlarge....)

Hallucinating and dementia.  That's about right for Bugsy from what else I've read about him.  Reclaiming Parkland and Chaos, a little more.  Mr. Helter Skelter.  I've got blisters on my fingers!

 

[Ron Bulman]

On 2/10/2023 at 12:41 AM, David Von Pein said:

Huh?? Lance didn't bring up the topic of Brewer not seeing LHO go in the theater. You did, when you said this on February 4th (last post on Page 1 of this thread):

"Brewer did not see anyone run into the TT.  Physically impossible."

 

Good job, Ron. Now you've evidently decided it's wise to just ignore the Johnny Brewer/Ticket Booth topic since you're caught without a logical answer to any of the recent posts made by myself and Bill Brown. So now you're moving on to the next thing on your "BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS...?" list.

~sigh~

 

Getting back to Johnny Brewer.  Not so much David.  The B/W picture you and BB provide does show the ticket booth enlarged for some reason from the 1931 and present photos, but not out to the sidewalk.  Short by several feet.  I.E., Johnny, from 4-5 business down the block did not see from his front sidewalk the booth or Lee or Harvey go in the TT.  Check it out on google maps street view, Hardy's Shoes is now a barbershop.

One of them probably did go in the TT, likely without paying.  But he didn't see that for a fact.  He couldn't see the ticket booth.

I don't think JB was part of the plot.  But he was Johnny on the spot and may have enriched his own role and been coached after the fact.

Oswald stared him in the eye while hiding in the vestibule of his store from the cops.  He ran out on the sidewalk and saw L or H go in the alcove entrance area of the Texas Theater.  He ran back in the shoe store to tell his IBM friends he was going to check it out.  At the TT he asked Julie if she sold a ticket.  No. He ran in and asked Butch Burroughs if he'd seen anyone come in, no but he'd heard someone.  They go to the balcony searching for what Brewer should have thought of as an armed and dangerous cop killer based on the radio reports he'd heard.

Back down to check the emergency exits.  The back one by the stage/screen, yelling, pounding.  Open it, confronted.  No, I know the man you're looking for.  Up on center stage, McDonald to stage left (I knew McDonald???).   That's him, there he is.  McDonald starts down the left aisle, for some reason, I don't know why I followed the officer down the right aisle.

From where he rushes around to the left aisle exit from the seating area into the lobby where eye to eye with Oswald, from two feet away, he hears him say "I am not resisting arrest".

Edited February 15, 2023 by Ron Bulman

[Bill Brown]

3 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Perfect place for a set-up of a patsy.  Here's half of a dollar bill, go there and match it up.

 

2003 called and it wants it's JFK assassination research back.

 

Even John Armstrong (the source of the original erroneous torn dollar bill claim) doesn't believe that anymore; i.e. he has backed off of his mistaken claim.  You should, too.

 

[Bill Brown]

17 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Getting back to Johnny Brewer.  Not so much David.  The B/W picture you and BB provide does show the ticket booth enlarged for some reason from the 1931 and present photos, but not out to the sidewalk.  Short by several feet.  I.E., Johnny, from 4-5 business down the block did not see from his front sidewalk the booth or Lee or Harvey go in the TT.  Check it out on google maps street view, Hardy's Shoes is now a barbershop.

One of them probably did go in the TT, likely without paying.  But he didn't see that for a fact.  He couldn't see the ticket booth.

I don't think JB was part of the plot.  But he was Johnny on the spot and may have enriched his own role and been coached after the fact.

Oswald stared him in the eye while hiding in the vestibule of his store from the cops.  He ran out on the sidewalk and saw L or H go in the alcove entrance area of the Texas Theater.  He ran back in the shoe store to tell his IBM friends he was going to check it out.  At the TT he asked Julie if she sold a ticket.  No. He ran in and asked Butch Burroughs if he'd seen anyone come in, no but he'd heard someone.  They go to the balcony searching for what Brewer should have thought of as an armed and dangerous cop killer based on the radio reports he'd heard.

Back down to check the emergency exits.  The back one by the stage/screen, yelling, pounding.  Open it, confronted.  No, I know the man you're looking for.  Up on center stage, McDonald to stage left (I knew McDonald???).   That's him, there he is.  McDonald starts down the left aisle, for some reason, I don't know why I followed the officer down the right aisle.

From where he rushes around to the left aisle exit from the seating area into the lobby where eye to eye with Oswald he hears him say "I am not resisting arrest".

 

"He [Johnny Brewer] couldn't see the ticket booth."

 

More nonsense (sorry, I call it how I see it).

 

Brewer didn't say that he could see the ticket booth.  He said that the ticket booth was flush with the other store fronts which lined the sidewalk and this location would allow him to see anyone who was at the front of the booth purchasing the ticket.  

 

Seriously Ron, go research before you post.  This is getting old.

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by Bill Brown

[Ron Bulman]

See the Parlor Barbershop?  That was Hardy's Shoe Store.

The Parlor Barbershop - Google Maps

Let's see if you can follow this.  See the Parlor barbershop on the right?  Looking to the left you see the marquee and stars sticking up?  That's the Texas Theater.  This was Johnny Brewer's view. Can you see the entrance area clearly, much less the ticket booth at all?

217 Jefferson Blvd - Google Maps

I know DJ, feeding the troles.  But we have to keep fighting the good fight while we can.

[Bill Brown]

7 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

See the Parlor Barbershop?  That was Hardy's Shoe Store.

The Parlor Barbershop - Google Maps

Let's see if you can follow this.  See the Parlor barbershop on the right?  Looking to the left you see the marquee and stars sticking up?  That's the Texas Theater.  This was Johnny Brewer's view. Can you see the entrance area clearly, much less the ticket booth at all?

217 Jefferson Blvd - Google Maps

I know DJ, feeding the troles.  But we have to keep fighting the good fight while we can.

 

First, the address of Hardy's Shoe Store was 213 W. Jefferson, This would be the bridal and quinceaneras shop and NOT the location of the barber shop you've erroneously mentioned.

 

Second, why would you source a modern-day image when trying to show where the ticket booth was on 11/22/63?  Do you still mistakenly believe the ticket booth was all the way recessed and attached to the building on the day of the assassination?

 

Look, this is real simple and yet somehow you are blowing it up all to hell.

 

Julia Postal's ticket booth was out away from the building very near the sidewalk.  Johnny Brewer stated that he would be able to see anyone who stopped at the front of that booth to purchase a ticket.  Brewer did NOT say that he could see the ticket booth from his shoe store.  Why do you twist around what he did (and did not) say?

 

[Ron Bulman]

First, the address of Hardy's Shoe Store was 213 W. Jefferson, This would be the bridal and quinceaneras shop and NOT the location of the barber shop you've erroneously mentioned.

You are full of crap as a Christmas turkey.  There is no Quinceanera shop in the street view provided.  First, the barbershop is Hardy's shoe store in 1963.  See the display windows on each side of it entering it?  To its left now is Metro T Mobile, then the Oak Cliff Cultural Center, then the Texas Theater.

[Bill Brown]

12 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

First, the address of Hardy's Shoe Store was 213 W. Jefferson, This would be the bridal and quinceaneras shop and NOT the location of the barber shop you've erroneously mentioned.

You are full of crap as a Christmas turkey.  There is no Quinceanera shop in the street view provided.  First, the barbershop is Hardy's shoe store in 1963.  See the display windows on each side of it entering it?  To its left now is Metro T Mobile, then the Oak Cliff Cultural Center, then the Texas Theater.

 

"There is no Quinceanera shop in the street view provided."

 

That's because you mistakenly chose the wrong location when attempting to show where the shoe store stood in 1963.

 

First, the ticket booth.  Now, the barber shop nonsense.  You have to be told more than three or four times that you're wrong.  I'm beginning to see that you're a little slow.  I'll lay off for now.