AMWORLD was no secret ....

[Mervyn Hagger]

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Mervyn Hagger
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[Gerry Down]

3 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

Don't think this is AMWORLD. More like a hodge podge of Cuban exiles thinking of trying to launch some amateurish re-hash of the BOP. Had to be amateurish, otherwise they wouldn't be advertising it in the paper. It would be like Winston Churchill putting it in the paper when the D-day landings would be taking place.

[Mervyn Hagger]

3 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Don't think this is AMWORLD. More like a hodge podge of Cuban exiles thinking of trying to launch some amateurish re-hash of the BOP. Had to be amateurish, otherwise they wouldn't be advertising it in the paper. It would be like Winston Churchill putting it in the paper when the D-day landings would be taking place.

AMWORLD was a project sprung from Bobby Kennedy's SGA based in South Miami. There is no way that these people did not know of the AMWORLD operation. But trying to control them officially while pretending that you have no knowledge of AMWORLD was not an easy thing to do. This hodge-podge were the reason why their military means were kept offshore so that Bobby and his brother Jack could deceive the American People (and the world), by claiming that they would not allow the CIA to launch another 'Bay of Pigs' type of invasion. These two-faced politicians nearly triggered a nuclear World War III.

[Larry Hancock]

This would have had nothing to do with AMWORLD, none of these people were involved with it.  When you look at the names this is a pretty classic mix of what I call "outsiders" in SWHT.  All these groups were being highly frustrated by the Kennedy administration orders to shut down Cuban exile operations from the US and were frequently issuing radical statements during 1963, the CRC began it and then effectively folded and individual groups carried on the dialog and claims.

At this time Commandos Mambisis was becoming active in raids against Cuba in missions run by JMWAVE and approved by SAS/Fitzgerald - using the Rex and LEDA motherships.

AMWORLD was just beginning to recruit and bring on personnel and start buying what it was going to need for offshore missions, it did not begin those for another six months.

It is true that Artime was shooting his mouth off in Central Ameican visits and beginning to get some attention but that was something entirely different, nobody could ever get him to stop making grandiose pronouncements.

 

[Mervyn Hagger]

50 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

This would have had nothing to do with AMWORLD, none of these people were involved with it.  When you look at the names this is a pretty classic mix of what I call "outsiders" in SWHT.  All these groups were being highly frustrated by the Kennedy administration orders to shut down Cuban exile operations from the US and were frequently issuing radical statements during 1963, the CRC began it and then effectively folded and individual groups carried on the dialog and claims.

At this time Commandos Mambisis was becoming active in raids against Cuba in missions run by JMWAVE and approved by SAS/Fitzgerald - using the Rex and LEDA motherships.

AMWORLD was just beginning to recruit and bring on personnel and start buying what it was going to need for offshore missions, it did not begin those for another six months.

It is true that Artime was shooting his mouth off in Central Ameican visits and beginning to get some attention but that was something entirely different, nobody could ever get him to stop making grandiose pronouncements.

 

Dr Manuel Artime Buesa was more than an a person making grandiose pronouncements because he was 'front and center stage' when JFK got big pharma to bribe Castro and let the Brigade members from the Bay of Pigs return to Florida. In that crowded stadium Kennedy put his big foot in it when he promised Artime (who was standing next to him in that stadium), that their Brigade flag (that JFK was holding), would fly over a free Havana.

Although the SGA had to try to get the hodge-podge groups of expat Cubans off US soil and into Central and South America in order to pretend that the CIA would not launch another attack on Cuba, that was a totally untrue claim, and JFK knew that. Even the weak deception about the CIA base in South Miami was exposed in the Florida press.

The trouble for RFK was coordinating these Cubans and getting them to follow one leader, but they had too many cooks who were already spoiling the broth just one month (October) before JFK was bumped off in November, and the crowds were already in the streets of London protesting against KENNEDY!

That is why I see the mish-mash of confusion involving the CIA working with the Mafia and the expats, as being the ideal cover for Marcello and Giancana.

No one could tell the truth about what was planned by RFK and his SGA.

After the fact, LHO became the obvious solution with the David Von P's "magic bullet" fairy tale.

Every time a committee has been formed to investigate, someone tips off the chairman to shut it down due to the nightmare they are about to expose.

Ditto for all of the presidential candidates.

Exposing the cover-up, even at this late date will still destroy NATO.

The USA would be proven to be a TERRORIST STATE bumping off governments and their leaders, and not from a week, a month, a year or two years ago, but since the very founding of the CIA, which after all was based upon the terrorist organisation created during WWII by Winston Churchill.

This American icon would suddenly be dragged into the dirt as an evil man (even some of Churchill's WWII cabinet thought that.) Churchill was the man who started feeding rubbish to the press in 1920 as a Scottish MP whose message was that "Bad Jews" who were part of the "Illuminati" had killed the royal family of Russia and created the USSR.

Churchill was the man who handwrote a note with Stalin that put the countries of Eastern Europe behind the "Iron Curtain".

Churchill was a hypocrite, just like the two Kennedy brothers!

So Marcello and his pal in Chicago got a free ticket to ride (although Giancana seems to have fallen foul of his buddies, but Marcello died of old age in his sleep.)

Seen through the prism of Occam's Razor this is a very simple story and not a complicated "who-dun-it".

I personally think that LHO was right, he was set-up, but that was his fault for playing with the wrong crowd.

[Mervyn Hagger]

On 8/28/2023 at 10:39 AM, Gerry Down said:

Don't think this is AMWORLD. More like a hodge podge of Cuban exiles thinking of trying to launch some amateurish re-hash of the BOP. Had to be amateurish, otherwise they wouldn't be advertising it in the paper. It would be like Winston Churchill putting it in the paper when the D-day landings would be taking place.

The fingerprints that reveal the steps taken from the Special Group to the Special Group (Augmented) were recorded by a secretary named Thomas Parrott. On October 16, 1962, Bobby Kennedy explained to the SGA that he was in contact with an "oil man named Thompson" who was "willing to provide a suitable ship" for the Operation Mongoose Propaganda Balloon Operations.

Thompson is Robert F. Thompson, partner with McLendon and Murchison and in charge of a CIA ship called Bon Jour (renamed Magda Maria and to be further renamed Mi Amigo.) The vessel had been used as a cover for broadcasts to Sweden and the Baltic States not covered by Radio Free Europe, in order to spy upon the movements of USSR submarines via sonar listening devices.

Note the date: October 16, 1962 - a year before the October 15, 1963 date of the news item relating to another invasion of Cuba.

In the end the mv Magda Maria (ex-Bon Jour) crossed the Atlantic and was turned back because it was too small for the job of launching balloons. That is when another CIA ship called Olga Patricia took its place and did launch high altitude balloons using Brownsville, Texas as its port of call.

With regards to the statement that the new invasion "would be like Winston Churchill putting it in the paper when the D-day landings would be taking place", you have to thank one good investigative journalist who ran some big 'tell all' features about what was going on at a South Miami university campus. No one was handing out press releases, but it was kind of difficult to explain away the ships that seemed to be being attracted to the activities of supposedly private company operating from that campus, which in fact were part of a front for CIA operations targeting Cuba.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Mervyn Hagger

[Gerry Down]

37 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

With regards to the statement that the new invasion "would be like Winston Churchill putting it in the paper when the D-day landings would be taking place", you have to thank one good investigative journalist who ran some big 'tell all' features about what was going on at a South Miami university campus. No one was handing out press releases, but it was kind of difficult to explain away the ships that seemed to be being attracted to the activities of supposedly private company operating from that campus, which in fact were part of a front for CIA operations targeting Cuba.

Who was the journalist - Jack Anderson?

[Mervyn Hagger]

3 hours ago, Gerry Down said:

Who was the journalist - Jack Anderson?

No, the main reporter worked for a Miami daily newspaper and his work was sent out on the wire networks. That's the whole point - AMWORLD was no secret, even though the newspaper did not have the CIA code name for it. Besides which, apart from the nonsense about JFK breaking up the CIA (a story that seems to have been invented in 1966!), the mad Kennedy brothers never quit backing the attacks on Cuba. The murder of JFK took away the expats big financial backing and then LBJ wound it all up because the expats were trying to continue on their own and causing a big problem for international shipping.

[Gerry Down]

46 minutes ago, Mervyn Hagger said:

No, the main reporter worked for a Miami daily newspaper and his work was sent out on the wire networks. That's the whole point - AMWORLD was no secret, even though the newspaper did not have the CIA code name for it. Besides which, apart from the nonsense about JFK breaking up the CIA (a story that seems to have been invented in 1966!), the mad Kennedy brothers never quit backing the attacks on Cuba. The murder of JFK took away the expats big financial backing and then LBJ wound it all up because the expats were trying to continue on their own and causing a big problem for international shipping.

What was the journalists name?

[Mervyn Hagger]

20 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

What was the journalists name?

Gerry, since I seem to hold a minority position on this Forum, might I suggest that you take a look for some of this information yourself? It exists and it is not hard to find. It would be very refreshing to see another name other than my own to combat the neo-Pein versions of those who disagree with bits and pieces of what he promotes and yet there is no consensus at all as to what the real story is. It's just a lot of yada, yada, yada. But there is a story that is not complicated and it can be found by anyone who cares to look - providing that person has an open mind and is not here to worship the Kennedy cult.

[Mervyn Hagger]

The Mafia put JFK in office and the Mafia took him out of office. Very basic story really. But what makes it complicated is the side-bar story involving the CIA and their failure to eliminate Fidel Castro after pretending that the Kennedys would never topple governments, much less go around murdering the leaders of other governments. But they did, and in so doing they trapped their worshipping fans in a cauldron of complicated cover-ups and denials. If you start from where the Kennedys began their charade of governance with smiles and murder, then their dirt gets swept to the surface. So people like David Von Pein make sure that does not happen by becoming part of a cult-worshipping fandom.

[James DiEugenio]

Mervyn:

What you are saying above has been discredited. And I mean discredited.

The Mafia did not win for JFK since the voting in wards controlled by the Chicago Outfit was at a lower ration in 1960 than before.  A  professor studied this and came to the conclusion that, if anything, the Outfit was discouraging Kennedy votes, since in another race, where they were trying to replace someone, the ratio was higher. That study is available online and anyone can see it.

As per your Marcello stuff, the whole thing about Dutz Murret and Oswald was negated by the HSCA declassified files.  He was not working for Marcello in 1963.  He had retired two years prior and gone into business for himself.

As per Becker and the whole stone in my shoe, there is a guy who has now found evidence that neuters this story and is working on a book about it.

The idea that Marcello could take out Kennedy without that being a Committee decision is so silly as to be almost risible. And every piece of evidence from Brilab to the Texas tapes has been shown to the faulty.  In the first case, it just was not there, and the second case, its clear Marcello was suffering from dementia. 

[Mervyn Hagger]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Mervyn:

What you are saying above has been discredited. And I mean discredited.

The Mafia did not win for JFK since the voting in wards controlled by the Chicago Outfit was at a lower ration in 1960 than before.  A  professor studied this and came to the conclusion that, if anything, the Outfit was discouraging Kennedy votes, since in another race, where they were trying to replace someone, the ratio was higher. That study is available online and anyone can see it.

As per your Marcello stuff, the whole thing about Dutz Murret and Oswald was negated by the HSCA declassified files.  He was not working for Marcello in 1963.  He had retired two years prior and gone into business for himself.

As per Becker and the whole stone in my shoe, there is a guy who has now found evidence that neuters this story and is working on a book about it.

The idea that Marcello could take out Kennedy without that being a Committee decision is so silly as to be almost risible. And every piece of evidence from Brilab to the Texas tapes has been shown to the faulty.  In the first case, it just was not there, and the second case, its clear Marcello was suffering from dementia. 

Eugene, what you are claiming without knowing all of the facts is discredited by the facts in evidence.

The ONLY two people on this Forum who have referenced the Olga Patricia in context, are Gary Murr and Larry Hancock. Yes, I have purchased many of Larry's books so I am well  aware of where he is coming from, and it was Gary Murr by Larry's own admission who tipped off Larry about the Olga Patricia. You ignore anything to do with the ships I have mentioned and to back to the Bay of Pigs.

Sorry, Eugene, it is you that is in for a rude awakening because you have chose to ignore facts in evidence that do not fit in with your views. I am not the least interested in what your professor may say, we have our own and over the years much of our work has been published in academic journals.

Now it is time for us to put it into book form.

The Mafia in New York, Chicago and New Orleans had the motive, the money and the means.

Your crowd surrounding the Kennedys have merely dug a big pit for themselves and they have invited you into it.

Besides, JFK spun such a load of crap that contradicted what he was really doing, which means that the first witness on the stand should be videos with soundtracks that nail JFK's legal coffin tightly shut.

[James DiEugenio]

Who is Eugene?

Do you have a problem with my name?

[Cory Santos]

7 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Who is Eugene?

Do you have a problem with my name?

Wasn’t he in Grease?