The Anonymous Phone Call to the Tippits of Connecticut

[Jim Hargrove]

I’m starting this new thread at the suggestion of Sandy Larsen.  Much more is scattered around in a number of threads, especially the endless one entitled “EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)”
 

The following FBI document, an internal teletype from 11/30/63, was withheld from public view for three decades.

URGENT 11-30-63 7-37 PM EST MB
TO DIRECTOR, AND SACS DALLAS AND NEW YORK
FROM SAC, NEW HAVEN /100-18158/
NEW YORK VIA WASHINGTON
LEE HARVEY OSWALD, IS - R
ON NOV. THIRTY INSTANT, JACK D. TIPPIT, SELF EMPLOYED
CARTOONIST FOR NATIONAL MAGAZINES AND WIFE, ONE SIX FOUR
NEW TOWN TURNPIKE, WESTPORT, CONN., ADVISED AS FOLLOWS. AT
APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN THIRTY AM ON INSTANT DATE MRS. TIPPIT
RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL FROM UNKNOWN WOMAN WHO ASKED IF
MR. TIPPIT WAS A POLICEMAN AND IF HE WAS RELATED TO THE POLICE-
MAN TIPPIT WHO WAS SHOT IN DALLAS. MRS. TIPPIT REPLIED HER
HUSBAND WAS NOT A POLICEMAN, WAS DISTANTLY RELATED TO OFFICER
TIPPIT AND ASKED IDENTITY OF CALLER. ON ANOTHER EXTENSION
JACK TIPPIT LISTENED TO BALANCE OF PHONE CALL. THE WOMAN SAID
SHE COULD NOT GIVE HER NAME AS SHE WAS AFRAID OF BEING KILLED,
THAT SHE WAS FROM NEW YORK AND HAD TO COME "HERE" TO MAKE THE
CALL SO THAT SHE COULD NOT BE TRACED AS SHE WAS IN FEAR OF HER
END PAGE ONE

PAGE TWO:

LIFE. THE WOMAN REQUESTED THAT NOTHING BE SAID TO THE PRESS
ABOUT A WOMAN CALLING AS THEY WOULD KNOW HER IDENTITY AND SHE
WOULD BE KILLED.
THE WOMAN SAID SHE KNEW OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE WHO
WERE HUNGARIANS AND COMMUNISTS. THE WOMAN CONTINUED THAT
OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE HAD LIVED AT SEVENTY SEVENTH AND SECOND
AVENUE, YORKVILLE, NYC, THAT WHILE LIVING THERE BOTH WERE
UNEMPLOYED, GOT THEIR MONEY FROM COMMUNISTS AND SPENT ALL THERE
TIME IN COMMUNIST ACTIVITIES.
THE WOMAN THEN BEGAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY, DISJOINTEDLY,
AND NERVOUSLY. SHE STATED SHE HAD TWO NAMES TO GIVE AND
MENTIONED THE NAME EMILE KARDOS AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A
BROTHER IN LAW. WHEN MRS. TIPPIT TRIED TO FIND OUT WHOSE
BROTHER IN LAW THE WOMAN KEPT REPEATING THE WORD BROTHER IN LAW.
THE WOMAN STATED KARDOS IS HEAD OF THE COMMUNISTS AND THAT THIS
GROUP IN NEW YORK NOW HAS CHARTS AND MAPS. THE WOMAN SAID
SOMETHING ABOUT WEINSTOCK THE EDITOR OF QUOTE WOMAN-S WORLD
UNQUOTE BUT DID NOT GIVE FURTHER DETAILS.. THE WOMAN SAID THE
END PAGE TWO

PAGE THREE:

GROUP IN NEW YORK PLANS TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT, THAT OF
COURSE THEY WOULD DENY THIS BUT SHE KNEW IT TO BE TRUE.
SHE THEN HUNG UP ABRUPTLY. THE WOMAN NEVER GAVE ANY REASON
FOR HER CALL WHICH SOUNDED LOCAL. MRS. TIPPIT THOUGHT THE
WOMAN HAD AN AUSTRIAN OR GERMAN ACCENT WHILE MR. TIPPIT
BELIEVED IT WAS SPANISH. BOTH FELT THE WOMAN SOUNDED LIKE
A MATURE ADULT AND DID NOT HAVE A YOUTHFUL VOICE.
MR. TIPPIT EXPLAINED WOMAN MAY HAVE OBTAINED HIS IDENTITY
FROM AN ARTICLE ON PAGE ONE OF NORWALK, CONN. QUOTE HOUR
UNQUOTE FOR NOVEMBER TWENTYFIVE LAST, WHICH STATED THAT WE MAY
BE A DISTANT RELATIVE OF THE DALLAS POLICEMAN. TIPPIT SAID
ARTICLE RESULTED FROM TELEPHONE CALL FROM REPORTER WHO WAS
CHECKING ALL TIPPITS IN LOCAL TELEPHONE DIRECTORIES.
BUREAU REQUESTED TO COORDINATE ABOVE WITH ANY OTHER
INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF PERTINENT AS NEW HAVEN HAS NO
KNOWLEDGE OF THE RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATES OF OSWALD-S FATHER
AND UNCLE.

END AND ACK PLS
7-45 PM OK FBI WA LLD FOR RELAY
6-47 PM CST OK FBI DL FL
TU PLSDISC M
CC-MR_ROSEN

========================================================

My ancient (and low res) scans of the actual document are here: 

https://harveyandlee.net/Harvey%20Who/Tippit-FBI_Graphical.htm

[Jim Hargrove]

We believe that the “Emile Kardos” named in the FBI report was actually the Hungarian immigrant “Emil Gardos,” a Yorkville NYC resident who was deported for communist activities in 1949. The “Woman’s World” magazine referred to was almost surely “Worker’s World,” a communist (or socialist?) publication. 

Several years ago, forum member Paul Jolliffe made a post that summed up nicely what we can know and reasonably suspect about the FBI report and the anonymous call it referred to.  Paul was debating a bit with the late John Butler (Geo Kozma gave us the sad new of John’s passing), and so I’ve deleted the references to Mr. Butler out of respect for his memory.  Here is the rest of what Mr. Jolliffe wrote:

…. the woman caller asserted that Gardos and his "son" (our "Oswald"/Harvey) were in Yorkville in the 1950's. That was impossible: Gardos was deported in 1949….. although the woman did not have the right years, that by itself did not completely invalidate her call!

…. the key to the FBI document was NOTi n whether "Oswald"/Harvey was the biological son of Emil Gardos. Instead the importance of the FBI document was that it demonstrated some kind of relationship between Gardos and "Oswald"/Harvey, a relationship the FBI was desperate to hide!

It's entirely plausible to me that the "Oswald" killed by Jack Ruby in Dallas was Hungarian by birth…. the way the FBI hot-potatoed the report of the mysterious woman's call to Mrs. Jack Tippit showed that the FBI was very, very concerned about this woman's information. 

Further, we know the FBI hid that information - they knew instantly that the woman was referring to Emil Gardos and Fred Blair. (By the way, it turns out that the highly suspicious asterisk over and the underlining of the name "Emile Kardos" on the report itself actually was done by the FBI, not John Armstrong! Someone at the FBI recognized the importance of that name immediately, and marked up the original copy!)

The FBI hid that information in two ways:

1. They corrupted Emil Gardos's name ("Emile Kardos"). They also corrupted the name of the publication with which Louis Weinstock was associated ("Woman's World"). 

2. The FBI then classified the report on this call to make sure the American public would never know of it.  And indeed, had Congress not changed the law in the 1990's, we would not know of it today! Even so, it took some real diligence on John Armstrong's part to dig it out of NARA twenty five years ago!

So what does this mean?

Well, if we are right that the FBI knew/feared there was something to the woman's claim, then our "Oswald" (Harvey), really was associated with Emil Gardos for a period in the 1940's in Yorkville. Further, we can reasonably conclude that the nature of that relationship was something that appeared familial and paternalistic to an outsider - the caller believed Gardos was the little boy's father. 

…. (O)thers have been speculating that somehow Emil Gardos's real flesh and blood son, John, might have been the boy (our "Oswald"/Harvey) to whom the woman referred. OK, that is your right to speculate.

However, as I pointed out weeks ago, that was mighty unlikely: it meant that Emil and Grace had to be willing to abandon their little son to the care of strangers in a country to which they could not easily return, if ever. The psychological implausibility of that scenario made it extremely, extremely unlikely. (Maybe not completely impossible, but so unlikely as to warrant severe skepticism.) Nonetheless, you and others were hot to pursue it. Fair enough. 

If John Gardos was indeed our "Oswald"/Harvey, then he was killed in Dallas in 1963. 

On the other hand, if John Gardos was not our "Oswald"/Harvey, then it would be entirely plausible that he would have accompanied his parents to Hungary in 1949 and lived there. Thanks in part to your tracking down Russ Geck, we now know that is exactly what did happen. Mrs. Russ Geck had a father, John Gardos. Mrs. Russ Geck's grandparents were Emil and Grace Gardos. Just as the 1966 FBI report stated (the one which the FBI had that bizarre reaction to a possible visit to the US by Grace Gardos and her little son), the son of Grace Gardos and Emil Gardos was very much alive and with his mother in 1966.

So, now we have two overwhelming pieces of evidence that little John Gardos absolutely could not have been "Oswald"/Harvey!

However, as I have now stated plainly many, many times, that does not invalidate the basic thrust of the woman caller's information, nor our suspicions of the FBI's reaction to that call!

After all, what was the deepest, darkest secret about the JFK assassination? That the accused dead patsy was NOT who all of officialdom claimed him to be! Unraveling his true identity would lead right into the national security state and probably straight to the ultimate sponsors of the assassination! No, come hell or high water, the killers and their abettors within and without the government would stop at nothing to hide that fact!

So, since "Oswald"/Harvey was NOT the biological son of Emil Gardos, then there is only one other possibility: Emil and Grace Gardos (and their real son, John) were his caretakers for a bit in Yorkville in the 1940's. The woman caller saw them together and made the natural (but wrong) assumption that our little boy "Oswald"/Harvey was their other son. 

Were Emil and Grace Gardos the type of folks who might have looked after a small boy WWII refugee/orphan from Hungary for a few months or longer in the mid 1940's in Yorkville? It seems possible to me.

But this is why Russ Geck's wife (what is her first name, again?) could be hugely important: she just might, might, might, have some stories passed from her father about her grandparents and their activities in Yorkville in the 1940's. And maybe, if we are incredibly lucky, some of those family stories might include something about the little boy from Hungary for whom they were foster parents for a bit….
 

[Jim Hargrove]

This is an incomplete start to the topic, but it is all I have time for this morning. Hopefully, others interested in this old report will contribute more.

[Sandy Larsen]

Jim,

So, in summary, what we know so far is that the FBI report mentions a boy the woman caller identified as the Oswald shot by Ruby, and two men who she thought were his father and his uncle. She also mentioned the following men:

1. Emile Kardos.
2. A brother-in-law.
3. Weinstock, the editor of Woman's World.

You have determined that Emile Kardos is most likely really Emil Gardos, a well-know communist and subversive active in America in the 1940s. And that he is a foster father of Oswald.

Further, you've determined that Grace Gardos was Emil Gardos's wife, foster mother of Oswald.

What I haven't seen so far are how the uncle, brother-in-law, and Weinstock figure into this. And how you came up with the name Fred Blair.

 

[Jim Hargrove]

Emil Gardos’s wife was named Grace A. Blair.  She was the sister of Fred Bassett Blair, chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party for many years.  We have no evidence that Emil Gardos and Fred Blair spent time together in NYC, but it seems like a very reasonable assumption that Emil was the “father” and Fred Blair was the “uncle” referred to by the unknown woman. If memory serves, all had Hungarian roots.

As Paul Jolliffe once pointed out, “By 1963, Emil Gardos and Fred Bassett Blair had ‘commie’ files a mile thick at the FBI! The FBI knew damn well exactly who the woman meant!”  

And yet in its report the FBI surely deliberately misspelled “Emil Gardos”, hid the name “Fred Blair,” and turned the Louis Weinstock-edited “Worker’s World” into the imaginary “Woman’s World.”

I hope the above information is accurate.  It’s been three or four years since many of us went through it all in the long “Evidence for Harvey and Lee” thread.   Unless our new Hungarian contact Geo Kozma has new and relevant information to provide, it may be that the others involved in the original research may be reluctant to go through all of this again.  

[Sandy Larsen]

25 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Louis Weinstock-edited “Worker’s World”

 

If anybody wants to google that, make sure that you do NOT use an apostrophe in "Workers World."

 

[Sandy Larsen]

So, in summary, the FBI report mentions a boy that the woman caller identified as the Oswald shot by Ruby, and two men who she thought were his father and his uncle. She also mentions the following men:

• Emile Kardos.
• A brother-in-law.
• Weinstock, the editor of Woman's World.

From this information, researchers have determined the following likely to be the case:

• Emil Gardos was the foster father of the boy (Oswald).
• Emil Gardos was married to Grace A. Blair, whose brother was Fred Bassett Blair.
• Fred Bassett Blair was the foster uncle of the boy (Oswald).
• Louis Weinstock was editor of “Worker’s World.”

All three of these men were well-know communists and subversives active in America in the 1940s.

It should be noted that the foster father, Emil Gardos, was active in NYC, whereas the foster uncle, Fred Blair, was active in Wisconsin. The woman caller said that the two had lived together at a specific address in NYC. However, we have no other evidence of the two spending time together.

 

[Geo Kozma]

Hi Jim and everyone. 

1. 

I want to highlight a  fact first. The Austrian Emperor wanted the Jews to have odinary names. Sa Jewish name in an Archivee is NOT a hint to a family relationship with other similar names.

 2.

If any Klein steals an apple or a cow -  the police may harass all the Kleins in the country. 

3- The Tippit call was partly an Anti-Semitic incitement - yes, there were Jews among the Oswalds..so they will have "name-relatives", like Stern, Gardosh... So it was in the interest of the authorities to hide the Tippit Call for 30 years, because thee rae not "real names", not proof of real family links.  ) 

4. After the Tippit call the FBI obviously looked up the Name Lists of jewish families...they did find hundreds of Oswalds .. And they at once found that yes, there are Cardash "relatives" or name-rhyme mates. ...and thousands who are not Cardash. It i the same as a G/cardoSH .(K /C and G may be switched because it sounds too similar, it must NOT HAVE BEEN to confuse anyone.

6.

(The CORVINA PRESS CARTOON BOOK TOO,,.is important as that is the only hint at Oswald  being in contact with that  Gardos family - who worked at the Corvina Editions in the 60s. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 20 by Geo Kozma
To make it clearer

[John Kowalski]

Did Edwin Ekdahl ever have custody of Lee Harvey Oswald? If it did happen, could it had been Eckdahl that delivered Oswald to the people connected to the program that eventually led to Harvey and Lee?

Have suspicions about Eckdahl i.e. he may been connected to ONI. During WWI he was stationed at an experimental station at New London Connecticut where he did work on submarine detecting devices. This base, given its work, may have been connected to ONI. After the war he went to China and worked for some companies there. ONI contacted overseas American companies and asked them to provide covers for their intelligence assets so there may be the possibility that Ekdahl, while in China was an ONI intelligence asset.

 

[John Kowalski]

On 2/13/2024 at 8:50 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

The “Woman’s World” magazine referred to was almost surely “Worker’s World,” a communist (or socialist?) publication. 

Mary and Fred Blair wrote a letter to Conrad Komorowski at the "Daily World" in New York in 1976. Found this letter in the Blair papers.

[Jim Hargrove]

John,

I’d like to thank Sandy for pointing out that Workers World has no apostrophe, which seems to make a difference in online searches.  Interesting about Daily World, but I don’t think Louis Weinstock was associated with it, right?

Like you, John A. and I have significant suspicions about the possible intelligence connections of Edwin Ekdahl.  He certainly lived with the American-born LHO for various periods, but he was also in close proximity to the young Russian-speaking LHO.  For example, John A. believes that in the summer 1947, the evidence shows that Marguerite, Edwin, and the three  boys (including American-born LHO) were living at 1508 8th Ave. in Fort Worth while the Russian-speaking LHO was living with the Marguerite Oswald impostor at 101 San Saba in Benbrook, TX.

I just checked Google maps, and it indicates that the two addresses are 10 miles apart.

If the anonymous phone call contained some accurate information, the Texas episode above could have happened either a little before or a little after the NYC episode.  By 1953, the young Russian-speaking Oswald (Harvey) was clearly in NYC, because he posed for the famous Bronx Zoo photo (one of the pictures John Pic refused to identify as his half-brother).
 

[Jim Hargrove]

Sandy,

I think Fred Blair was both the uncle and the brother-in-law the caller referenced.  Just a hunch, though.

 

Geo,

I have difficulty following your posts. What makes you think the Russian-speaking Oswald had Jewish roots? And, if we were to spend a hundred books consulting a genealogical expert, what question would we ask?  If you could make your response simple and clear, I'd gratefully appreciate it.

 

[Geo Kozma]

On 2/15/2024 at 3:02 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

Sandy,

I think Fred Blair was both the uncle and the brother-in-law the caller referenced.  Just a hunch, though.

 

Geo,

I have difficulty following your posts. What makes you think the Russian-speaking Oswald had Jewish roots? And, if we were to spend a hundred books consulting a genealogical expert, what question would we ask?  If you could make your response simple and clear, I'd gratefully appreciate it.

 

1. i did spend the donation expected on the Jewihgen.com from which I sent you my notes..

2. it is clear that i was opening the name-pages  that are pertinent for the CALL - and I know from an expert ssending me a Magyarization name  list link -  that  Gardos was originally Roth..so that was one name I looked up in he Kindertransport... and the rest i looked up in jewishgen.   Weinstock and Oswald and  some others - as both had Stern relatives I  ooked it up too...

4 Because I knew that Kissinger had a STERN maternal name. 

5. And i saw that one particular OSWALD had a Gissinger spouse

6  I repeat:  JEWISH  OFFICIAL NAME GIVING  WAS DESIGNED TO BE A POLICE TOOL...the function of RESTRICTING IT TO A FEW DOZEN NAMES and some variations - made it possible to make all the name-bearers suspicious. That was the goal. if they had been benevolent they could  find  a rule - like "Use your Location name only" . as Location names was an option, Kissingen is a town name first.

it DOES NOT MAKE IT POSSIBLE  TO ESTABLISH REAL FAMILY CONTACTS  in abstracto..only if you could know which area they lived...or if you do KNOW the family story. 

7- For our purpose - to veryify the TIPPIT CALL it helped me because among the hundreds of OSWALDS and parents and spouses we have ONE that is  called CHARDASH. which can be GArdosh or Kardosh.  It could be looked up in the Archives - they existed in 1963 in the Jewish public notary records. And the person who called - knowing it will be sent to the FBI ma have jut found out this just in an Archive she was n  o t surely a witness. But anyone who ee such a name list sees clearly that everyone has one of the BASIC NAMES so all Jews look like related and SUSPECT. To creat fear in other and in them. (Hence it is  useless for real police work and immoral too...so NOT focusing on Jews in the family - lik the Furman dad - is NOT just a  useless mania of secrets in the FBI and CIA. It would obscure the real focus on facts - and create a mass hysteria.  )   

8 Do you see why this LEAD - X knows Y from family - is misleading in the case of the Jewish names due to its random arbitrary origin? For me as a half Jew it is very frustrating and also saddening....

9. BUT WE DO HAVE A NON ARCHIVAL OBJECTIVE  HINT STILL - that the Edition Corvina was he workplace in 1963 of the Gardos couple as translators. we can not be sure that the TIPPIT CALLER knew the small foster kid Oswald at th Gardos-famiy (linked to the Weintocks) . Becaue the GArdosh link was Archive Material publicly. 

But we do know that Oswald did find a CORVINA book important in 63. 

 

9

.

As  it is difficult to follow my posts   -  I use  numbers from now on. 

Edited March 3 by Geo Kozma

[Geo Kozma]

On 2/13/2024 at 2:50 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

We believe that the “Emile Kardos” named in the FBI report was actually the Hungarian immigrant “Emil Gardos,” a Yorkville NYC resident who was deported for communist activities in 1949. The “Woman’s World” magazine referred to was almost surely “Worker’s World,” a communist (or socialist?) publication. 

Several years ago, forum member Paul Jolliffe made a post that summed up nicely what we can know and reasonably suspect about the FBI report and the anonymous call it referred to.  Paul was debating a bit with the late John Butler (Geo Kozma gave us the sad new of John’s passing), and so I’ve deleted the references to Mr. Butler out of respect for his memory.  Here is the rest of what Mr. Jolliffe wrote:

…. the woman caller asserted that Gardos and his "son" (our "Oswald"/Harvey) were in Yorkville in the 1950's. That was impossible: Gardos was deported in 1949….. although the woman did not have the right years, that by itself did not completely invalidate her call!

…. the key to the FBI document was NOTi n whether "Oswald"/Harvey was the biological son of Emil Gardos. Instead the importance of the FBI document was that it demonstrated some kind of relationship between Gardos and "Oswald"/Harvey, a relationship the FBI was desperate to hide!

It's entirely plausible to me that the "Oswald" killed by Jack Ruby in Dallas was Hungarian by birth…. the way the FBI hot-potatoed the report of the mysterious woman's call to Mrs. Jack Tippit showed that the FBI was very, very concerned about this woman's information. 

Further, we know the FBI hid that information - they knew instantly that the woman was referring to Emil Gardos and Fred Blair. (By the way, it turns out that the highly suspicious asterisk over and the underlining of the name "Emile Kardos" on the report itself actually was done by the FBI, not John Armstrong! Someone at the FBI recognized the importance of that name immediately, and marked up the original copy!)

The FBI hid that information in two ways:

1. They corrupted Emil Gardos's name ("Emile Kardos"). They also corrupted the name of the publication with which Louis Weinstock was associated ("Woman's World"). 

2. The FBI then classified the report on this call to make sure the American public would never know of it.  And indeed, had Congress not changed the law in the 1990's, we would not know of it today! Even so, it took some real diligence on John Armstrong's part to dig it out of NARA twenty five years ago!

So what does this mean?

Well, if we are right that the FBI knew/feared there was something to the woman's claim, then our "Oswald" (Harvey), really was associated with Emil Gardos for a period in the 1940's in Yorkville. Further, we can reasonably conclude that the nature of that relationship was something that appeared familial and paternalistic to an outsider - the caller believed Gardos was the little boy's father. 

…. (O)thers have been speculating that somehow Emil Gardos's real flesh and blood son, John, might have been the boy (our "Oswald"/Harvey) to whom the woman referred. OK, that is your right to speculate.

However, as I pointed out weeks ago, that was mighty unlikely: it meant that Emil and Grace had to be willing to abandon their little son to the care of strangers in a country to which they could not easily return, if ever. The psychological implausibility of that scenario made it extremely, extremely unlikely. (Maybe not completely impossible, but so unlikely as to warrant severe skepticism.) Nonetheless, you and others were hot to pursue it. Fair enough. 

If John Gardos was indeed our "Oswald"/Harvey, then he was killed in Dallas in 1963. 

On the other hand, if John Gardos was not our "Oswald"/Harvey, then it would be entirely plausible that he would have accompanied his parents to Hungary in 1949 and lived there. Thanks in part to your tracking down Russ Geck, we now know that is exactly what did happen. Mrs. Russ Geck had a father, John Gardos. Mrs. Russ Geck's grandparents were Emil and Grace Gardos. Just as the 1966 FBI report stated (the one which the FBI had that bizarre reaction to a possible visit to the US by Grace Gardos and her little son), the son of Grace Gardos and Emil Gardos was very much alive and with his mother in 1966.

So, now we have two overwhelming pieces of evidence that little John Gardos absolutely could not have been "Oswald"/Harvey!

 

Were Emil and Grace Gardos the type of folks who might have looked after a small boy WWII refugee/orphan from Hungary for a few months or longer in the mid 1940's in Yorkville? It seems possible to me.

But this is why Russ Geck's wife (what is her first name, again?) could be hugely important: she just might, might, might, have some stories passed from her father about her grandparents and their activities in Yorkville in the 1940's. And maybe, if we are incredibly lucky, some of those family stories might include something about the little boy from Hungary for whom they were foster parents for a bit….
 

Hi Jim, I read this only now. Thaks for mentioning poor John Butler. Without his regular reactions to Paul Joliffe aand John Kowalski I might never have tarted my research into this Tippit Call dilmma. 

0. ANDREA is the name of John Gardos 1s daughter Mrs Geck...she like his father is adiplomat so sshe is maybe not allowed to respond. Anyway it is absurd to think any spy on any sid will talk on his past to grandchildren...(who wr born later)  There is a son Attila never mentioned maybe stepson, i have no idea  - they do not respond to me,mabe becaus I live here in Budapest.

 

12. Excuse me Jim, and veryone else. it is shocking to find such a tragivc chain of events so close to close family members.

 

Edited March 20 by Geo Kozma
to be clear

[Jim Hargrove]

Your English is really quite good, Geo, but I think we may still have a bit of a language barrier when trying to comprehend what you are saying.  Yesterday, a Kennedy assassination scholar who is banned from this forum sent me a note after reading this thread and the others you have participated in.  Here's what he said, in part:

...I think he gets confused when he is trying to say the young Hungarian boy was given the last name Osvalt in Hungary in order to groom him from the start...I think what Geo is trying to say is whoever was calling themselves Osvalt under the Oswald Project in Hungary was actually from a family with a really Jewish-sounding name like Rabinowitz and those are the people you should be seeking...I think Geo is telling you to get an ancestry expert to try to trace what Jewish family changed their name to Osvalt in order to find the relatives who would be able to recount the family with the young Harvey...I myself think tracing Gardos would yield more results...Geo does make one good point however...Taking the word of an ex NKVD agent that there was nothing there is naive at best...I think you need a good Translator with Geo who could confront Geo and force him to be more clear...A Translator who could interpret Geo...

Does any or all of the above reflect what you are trying to communicate with us?  Also, is it your speculation above that Allen Dulles might be behind the anonymous call?  I find that exceptionally difficult to believe.