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I’m starting this new thread at the suggestion of Sandy Larsen.  Much more is scattered around in a number of threads, especially the endless one entitled “EVIDENCE FOR HARVEY AND LEE (Please debate the specifics right here. Don't just claim someone else has debunked it!)”
 

The following FBI document, an internal teletype from 11/30/63, was withheld from public view for three decades.

URGENT 11-30-63 7-37 PM EST MB
TO DIRECTOR, AND SACS DALLAS AND NEW YORK
FROM SAC, NEW HAVEN /100-18158/
NEW YORK VIA WASHINGTON
LEE HARVEY OSWALD, IS - R
ON NOV. THIRTY INSTANT, JACK D. TIPPIT, SELF EMPLOYED
CARTOONIST FOR NATIONAL MAGAZINES AND WIFE, ONE SIX FOUR
NEW TOWN TURNPIKE, WESTPORT, CONN., ADVISED AS FOLLOWS. AT
APPROXIMATELY ELEVEN THIRTY AM ON INSTANT DATE MRS. TIPPIT
RECEIVED A TELEPHONE CALL FROM UNKNOWN WOMAN WHO ASKED IF
MR. TIPPIT WAS A POLICEMAN AND IF HE WAS RELATED TO THE POLICE-
MAN TIPPIT WHO WAS SHOT IN DALLAS. MRS. TIPPIT REPLIED HER
HUSBAND WAS NOT A POLICEMAN, WAS DISTANTLY RELATED TO OFFICER
TIPPIT AND ASKED IDENTITY OF CALLER. ON ANOTHER EXTENSION
JACK TIPPIT LISTENED TO BALANCE OF PHONE CALL. THE WOMAN SAID
SHE COULD NOT GIVE HER NAME AS SHE WAS AFRAID OF BEING KILLED,
THAT SHE WAS FROM NEW YORK AND HAD TO COME "HERE" TO MAKE THE
CALL SO THAT SHE COULD NOT BE TRACED AS SHE WAS IN FEAR OF HER
END PAGE ONE
PAGE TWO:
LIFE. THE WOMAN REQUESTED THAT NOTHING BE SAID TO THE PRESS
ABOUT A WOMAN CALLING AS THEY WOULD KNOW HER IDENTITY AND SHE
WOULD BE KILLED.
THE WOMAN SAID SHE KNEW OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE WHO
WERE HUNGARIANS AND COMMUNISTS. THE WOMAN CONTINUED THAT
OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE HAD LIVED AT SEVENTY SEVENTH AND SECOND
AVENUE, YORKVILLE, NYC, THAT WHILE LIVING THERE BOTH WERE
UNEMPLOYED, GOT THEIR MONEY FROM COMMUNISTS AND SPENT ALL THERE
TIME IN COMMUNIST ACTIVITIES.
THE WOMAN THEN BEGAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY, DISJOINTEDLY,
AND NERVOUSLY. SHE STATED SHE HAD TWO NAMES TO GIVE AND
MENTIONED THE NAME EMILE KARDOS AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A
BROTHER IN LAW. WHEN MRS. TIPPIT TRIED TO FIND OUT WHOSE
BROTHER IN LAW THE WOMAN KEPT REPEATING THE WORD BROTHER IN LAW.
THE WOMAN STATED KARDOS IS HEAD OF THE COMMUNISTS AND THAT THIS
GROUP IN NEW YORK NOW HAS CHARTS AND MAPS. THE WOMAN SAID
SOMETHING ABOUT WEINSTOCK THE EDITOR OF QUOTE WOMAN-S WORLD
UNQUOTE BUT DID NOT GIVE FURTHER DETAILS.. THE WOMAN SAID THE
END PAGE TWO
PAGE THREE:
GROUP IN NEW YORK PLANS TO TAKE OVER THE GOVERNMENT, THAT OF
COURSE THEY WOULD DENY THIS BUT SHE KNEW IT TO BE TRUE.
SHE THEN HUNG UP ABRUPTLY. THE WOMAN NEVER GAVE ANY REASON
FOR HER CALL WHICH SOUNDED LOCAL. MRS. TIPPIT THOUGHT THE
WOMAN HAD AN AUSTRIAN OR GERMAN ACCENT WHILE MR. TIPPIT
BELIEVED IT WAS SPANISH. BOTH FELT THE WOMAN SOUNDED LIKE
A MATURE ADULT AND DID NOT HAVE A YOUTHFUL VOICE.
MR. TIPPIT EXPLAINED WOMAN MAY HAVE OBTAINED HIS IDENTITY
FROM AN ARTICLE ON PAGE ONE OF NORWALK, CONN. QUOTE HOUR
UNQUOTE FOR NOVEMBER TWENTYFIVE LAST, WHICH STATED THAT WE MAY
BE A DISTANT RELATIVE OF THE DALLAS POLICEMAN. TIPPIT SAID
ARTICLE RESULTED FROM TELEPHONE CALL FROM REPORTER WHO WAS
CHECKING ALL TIPPITS IN LOCAL TELEPHONE DIRECTORIES.
BUREAU REQUESTED TO COORDINATE ABOVE WITH ANY OTHER
INFORMATION TO DETERMINE IF PERTINENT AS NEW HAVEN HAS NO
KNOWLEDGE OF THE RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATES OF OSWALD-S FATHER
AND UNCLE.
END AND ACK PLS
7-45 PM OK FBI WA LLD FOR RELAY
6-47 PM CST OK FBI DL FL
TU PLSDISC M
CC-MR_ROSEN
========================================================

My ancient (and low res) scans of the actual document are here: 

https://harveyandlee.net/Harvey%20Who/Tippit-FBI_Graphical.htm

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We believe that the “Emile Kardos” named in the FBI report was actually the Hungarian immigrant “Emil Gardos,” a Yorkville NYC resident who was deported for communist activities in 1949. The “Woman’s World” magazine referred to was almost surely “Worker’s World,” a communist (or socialist?) publication. 

Several years ago, forum member Paul Jolliffe made a post that summed up nicely what we can know and reasonably suspect about the FBI report and the anonymous call it referred to.  Paul was debating a bit with the late John Butler (Geo Kozma gave us the sad new of John’s passing), and so I’ve deleted the references to Mr. Butler out of respect for his memory.  Here is the rest of what Mr. Jolliffe wrote:


…. the woman caller asserted that Gardos and his "son" (our "Oswald"/Harvey) were in Yorkville in the 1950's. That was impossible: Gardos was deported in 1949….. although the woman did not have the right years, that by itself did not completely invalidate her call!

…. the key to the FBI document was NOTi n whether "Oswald"/Harvey was the biological son of Emil Gardos. Instead the importance of the FBI document was that it demonstrated some kind of relationship between Gardos and "Oswald"/Harvey, a relationship the FBI was desperate to hide!

It's entirely plausible to me that the "Oswald" killed by Jack Ruby in Dallas was Hungarian by birth…. the way the FBI hot-potatoed the report of the mysterious woman's call to Mrs. Jack Tippit showed that the FBI was very, very concerned about this woman's information. 

Further, we know the FBI hid that information - they knew instantly that the woman was referring to Emil Gardos and Fred Blair. (By the way, it turns out that the highly suspicious asterisk over and the underlining of the name "Emile Kardos" on the report itself actually was done by the FBI, not John Armstrong! Someone at the FBI recognized the importance of that name immediately, and marked up the original copy!)

The FBI hid that information in two ways:

1. They corrupted Emil Gardos's name ("Emile Kardos"). They also corrupted the name of the publication with which Louis Weinstock was associated ("Woman's World"). 

2. The FBI then classified the report on this call to make sure the American public would never know of it.  And indeed, had Congress not changed the law in the 1990's, we would not know of it today! Even so, it took some real diligence on John Armstrong's part to dig it out of NARA twenty five years ago!

So what does this mean?

Well, if we are right that the FBI knew/feared there was something to the woman's claim, then our "Oswald" (Harvey), really was associated with Emil Gardos for a period in the 1940's in Yorkville. Further, we can reasonably conclude that the nature of that relationship was something that appeared familial and paternalistic to an outsider - the caller believed Gardos was the little boy's father. 

…. (O)thers have been speculating that somehow Emil Gardos's real flesh and blood son, John, might have been the boy (our "Oswald"/Harvey) to whom the woman referred. OK, that is your right to speculate.

However, as I pointed out weeks ago, that was mighty unlikely: it meant that Emil and Grace had to be willing to abandon their little son to the care of strangers in a country to which they could not easily return, if ever. The psychological implausibility of that scenario made it extremely, extremely unlikely. (Maybe not completely impossible, but so unlikely as to warrant severe skepticism.) Nonetheless, you and others were hot to pursue it. Fair enough. 

If John Gardos was indeed our "Oswald"/Harvey, then he was killed in Dallas in 1963. 

On the other hand, if John Gardos was not our "Oswald"/Harvey, then it would be entirely plausible that he would have accompanied his parents to Hungary in 1949 and lived there. Thanks in part to your tracking down Russ Geck, we now know that is exactly what did happen. Mrs. Russ Geck had a father, John Gardos. Mrs. Russ Geck's grandparents were Emil and Grace Gardos. Just as the 1966 FBI report stated (the one which the FBI had that bizarre reaction to a possible visit to the US by Grace Gardos and her little son), the son of Grace Gardos and Emil Gardos was very much alive and with his mother in 1966.

So, now we have two overwhelming pieces of evidence that little John Gardos absolutely could not have been "Oswald"/Harvey!

However, as I have now stated plainly many, many times, that does not invalidate the basic thrust of the woman caller's information, nor our suspicions of the FBI's reaction to that call!

After all, what was the deepest, darkest secret about the JFK assassination? That the accused dead patsy was NOT who all of officialdom claimed him to be! Unraveling his true identity would lead right into the national security state and probably straight to the ultimate sponsors of the assassination! No, come hell or high water, the killers and their abettors within and without the government would stop at nothing to hide that fact!

So, since "Oswald"/Harvey was NOT the biological son of Emil Gardos, then there is only one other possibility: Emil and Grace Gardos (and their real son, John) were his caretakers for a bit in Yorkville in the 1940's. The woman caller saw them together and made the natural (but wrong) assumption that our little boy "Oswald"/Harvey was their other son. 

Were Emil and Grace Gardos the type of folks who might have looked after a small boy WWII refugee/orphan from Hungary for a few months or longer in the mid 1940's in Yorkville? It seems possible to me.

But this is why Russ Geck's wife (what is her first name, again?) could be hugely important: she just might, might, might, have some stories passed from her father about her grandparents and their activities in Yorkville in the 1940's. And maybe, if we are incredibly lucky, some of those family stories might include something about the little boy from Hungary for whom they were foster parents for a bit….
 

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Jim,

So, in summary, what we know so far is that the FBI report mentions a boy the woman caller identified as the Oswald shot by Ruby, and two men who she thought were his father and his uncle. She also mentioned the following men:

  1. Emile Kardos.
  2. A brother-in-law.
  3. Weinstock, the editor of Woman's World.

You have determined that Emile Kardos is most likely really Emil Gardos, a well-know communist and subversive active in America in the 1940s. And that he is a foster father of Oswald.

Further, you've determined that Grace Gardos was Emil Gardos's wife, foster mother of Oswald.

What I haven't seen so far are how the uncle, brother-in-law, and Weinstock figure into this. And how you came up with the name Fred Blair.

 

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Emil Gardos’s wife was named Grace A. Blair.  She was the sister of Fred Bassett Blair, chairman of the Wisconsin Communist Party for many years.  We have no evidence that Emil Gardos and Fred Blair spent time together in NYC, but it seems like a very reasonable assumption that Emil was the “father” and Fred Blair was the “uncle” referred to by the unknown woman. If memory serves, all had Hungarian roots.

As Paul Jolliffe once pointed out, “By 1963, Emil Gardos and Fred Bassett Blair had ‘commie’ files a mile thick at the FBI! The FBI knew damn well exactly who the woman meant!”  

And yet in its report the FBI surely deliberately misspelled “Emil Gardos”, hid the name “Fred Blair,” and turned the Louis Weinstock-edited “Worker’s World” into the imaginary “Woman’s World.”

I hope the above information is accurate.  It’s been three or four years since many of us went through it all in the long “Evidence for Harvey and Lee” thread.   Unless our new Hungarian contact Geo Kozma has new and relevant information to provide, it may be that the others involved in the original research may be reluctant to go through all of this again.  

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So, in summary, the FBI report mentions a boy that the woman caller identified as the Oswald shot by Ruby, and two men who she thought were his father and his uncle. She also mentions the following men:

  • Emile Kardos.
  • A brother-in-law.
  • Weinstock, the editor of Woman's World.

From this information, researchers have determined the following likely to be the case:

  • Emil Gardos was the foster father of the boy (Oswald).
  • Emil Gardos was married to Grace A. Blair, whose brother was Fred Bassett Blair.
  • Fred Bassett Blair was the foster uncle of the boy (Oswald).
  • Louis Weinstock was editor of “Worker’s World.”

All three of these men were well-know communists and subversives active in America in the 1940s.

It should be noted that the foster father, Emil Gardos, was active in NYC, whereas the foster uncle, Fred Blair, was active in Wisconsin. The woman caller said that the two had lived together at a specific address in NYC. However, we have no other evidence of the two spending time together.

 

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Hi Jim and everyone. (At the end of this long letter  I  will suggest a Kickstarter to pay an expert to look up the family tree of Jewishgen.. and lsso the archives in budapest must b approached - bettervfrom the uS as thy are covid.clised and disike people going in. many colleague have diied. .Jewishgen.com  costs 100 $.  ...you know that the Archives must be searched. )

 

1. 

I want to highlight a  fact first. The Austrian Emperor wantd the jew to have odinary names. it was obligatory. But only some two or three dozen words were allowed. Gross, KLein, Weiss, Stern, Stein, Schwartz, Rot, Rosen, Rubin, Menashe, irael... Grün, Blau...Blum, Field...Wald, Gold, Diamant, Silber... Weiss...look up the name Weiss or Kohn on Wiki: how many different fields have dozens of famous Weiss, Klein, stern etc names. One could buy special versions- Gld-Field, Gold-Mann, Rosen-stock, Wein-feld...Diamant-stein...

 2.

 

The goal was to see at once who is a "Jew" it comes  as a denigrating distortion from the  Bible Name Ye-Hodi meaning eternal.thanking.

If any Klein steals an apple or a cow - sp the police may harass all the Kleins in the county

 

 

3- The Tippit call was partly an Anti-Semitic incitement - yes, there were Jews among the Oswalds..so they will have "name-relatives", like Stern, Gardosh... But Dulles was a Rescuer of Jewish children, he knew how the name would work in the media- he was an expert on the "Protocols of Zion" a Tzarist secret Police falsification campaign. He knew that Jewish names cannot pinpoint a crime. They lead to lots of innocents harrassed. Dulles  interpreter in the 40s was Kissinger. A Klein-Stern-descendant. Since 1958 he was a household name as one of Eisenhowers young advisors (at the RAND corp.) 

4. After the Tippit call the FBI obviously looked up the Name Lists of jewish families...they did find hundreds of Oswalds ...(today you can enter online into Jewishgen.com with the greatest self-reported faily tree database. It expects only 100 USD to use it. ( maybe monthly.i am not sure) . And they at once found that yes, there are Cardash relatives ...and thousands who are not Cardash. And they have common "relatives"  - random name sakes- with the Weinstock-Gross couple, namely Kleins and Sterns and yes,  I repeat as yeesterday I did find it: they have a G/cardoSH .(K /C and G may be switched) 

But is is an insane fantasy to imagine that if a mr Smith breaks a Bank safe- all the Smiths must be arrested in the country. 

 

5. So the Tippit Call SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPLAINED...and calmly shown to the people. It i astonishing for me here in the Ex Russian EU that in 60 years no one was simply going to a Jewih cemetery and ask the name list. Or to a History archive of family tree database.

 

6.

Jews do not always know their ancestral names. Oswald might or migh not know th Cardash or Gardos family... (Jim you should start a thread on th CORVINA PRESS CARTOON BOOK TOO...that is the only hint at him being in contact with that family - who worked at the Corvin Editions.)

 

And the Weinstocks were also mentioned in the Tippit Call. But it is not 100% the Caller really saw the small Oswald at the Weisntockss or Gardoss. And there are thousand of Weintocks, and Gardossh-Cardashs- and Oswalds, so the Caller could have just looked up a name list in an archive. which the FBI also surely has opened at once and knew the allegation had a truth - BUT ONLY DUE TO THE STATISTICAL RANDOMNESS of the Jewish obligatory naming process. 

NOTHING can be found in a few Jewish family names about real relations. they do not hypnotize each other even in real families. if Oswald was fostered by a  Gardash relative or Weinstocks...they could not hypnotize him 21 ys ater to do weird and crazy things.

 

So  i n the Warren C they decided to never ask who was a Jew among the Oswald clan members - they called them Hungarians or Commies.

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But I assure you that in every messianic ideology and their opposite ones  you have good intentions and evil deeds  mixed up.  So it willl not lead anywhere to point out these links. Yes Oswald was a sixth cousin of Theodore Roosevelt. So what? Yes, he may have distant relatives to Gardoshs (and maybe Kissinger has also Gardosh relatives called Roth and Stern...)  so what? 

It could happen that the Kissinger name  or his Stern mom itself is on the list. I do repeat: The names were limited so people with the same name MUST NOT know about each other. Only rabbinical family trees are correct - as most Rabbis or rebbes wrote books and some have their legends...of course there are impostors pretending they are of that famous family..like there are  fake Bourbons and fake Romanovs. And fake bastards of King Charles...BTW a big rabbi clan the Loeb of prague has cca 20 000 names on its list - free here. www.loebtree.com. But still it does not show exactly the distance. if my ancestor on the list had a cousin 6th removed  called Stern - am I related to prof Kissinger whose mom was a Stern (among hundred thousand Sterns)?  And of Oswalds also having  Sterns - maybe 3 of the 350 families.

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Just my twocents.  BTW  I wonder if we could start a Kickstarter - or someone could sstart it  to do research in Hungarian Archives - because in Hungary Kickstarter is not yet available - paypal is also shaky. Or ssomeone from the US could approach the Kissinger Intitute people a tthey might declassify anyaway...sso maybe  they would be willing to co-operate of even to asist us (they have research grants).

9.

When I was in NYC  H.E. Prof HK has kindly invited me when he got my letter stating that I am his old Prof's grandchild almost (a grandnephew). He knew I wanted his help  to start a legal process about my lost inheritance.  He could have decided NOT to answer me and NOT to invite me. But i had just a few days so I was called daily with schedule switches..but then I did not see him.  I do think it was by chance...Of course at that time I was not aware of this Oswald Gardosh- sten-Kissinger "family" issue. (not to mention I found my own Keller family name among the Oswald relations...But here again it just may be caused by the LIMITED NAME LIST. It is not a proof of real blood relations. 

 

10,

But yes it gives me a motivation to try to help to real open minded resarchers ike you on this edu FORUM of the issues around Oswald and his Jewish family members in Budapest in 1963. I hope that some keys may be found in the CORVINA PRESS in Budapest. Not in the Archives. i can prove that my CORVINA related  mom's friends tried to use coded lettters to inform my mom'ss Uncle in the Oval office about the situation behind the Iron curtain  - in 1956) And I hope that you will see Jim, that when I say that the Archives will show sme distant family links - but only due to the LIST LIMITS...th real Gardos-Oswald LINK is not in he archives. it is in the real coded letters in the CORVINA Press in Budapest. The GArdoshes worked there in 1963.  Maybe their grandkids are right telling us on the EDU FORUM in 2019 (to  the late J. B.) that they were in budapest then. Okay, but they could send coded lettr if we do know that some  other  Corvina workers did exactly that.

 

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Did Edwin Ekdahl ever have custody of Lee Harvey Oswald? If it did happen, could it had been Eckdahl that delivered Oswald to the people connected to the program that eventually led to Harvey and Lee?

Have suspicions about Eckdahl i.e. he may been connected to ONI. During WWI he was stationed at an experimental station at New London Connecticut where he did work on submarine detecting devices. This base, given its work, may have been connected to ONI. After the war he went to China and worked for some companies there. ONI contacted overseas American companies and asked them to provide covers for their intelligence assets so there may be the possibility that Ekdahl, while in China was an ONI intelligence asset.

 

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On 2/13/2024 at 8:50 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

The “Woman’s World” magazine referred to was almost surely “Worker’s World,” a communist (or socialist?) publication. 

Mary and Fred Blair wrote a letter to Conrad Komorowski at the "Daily World" in New York in 1976. Found this letter in the Blair papers.

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John,

I’d like to thank Sandy for pointing out that Workers World has no apostrophe, which seems to make a difference in online searches.  Interesting about Daily World, but I don’t think Louis Weinstock was associated with it, right?

Like you, John A. and I have significant suspicions about the possible intelligence connections of Edwin Ekdahl.  He certainly lived with the American-born LHO for various periods, but he was also in close proximity to the young Russian-speaking LHO.  For example, John A. believes that in the summer 1947, the evidence shows that Marguerite, Edwin, and the three  boys (including American-born LHO) were living at 1508 8th Ave. in Fort Worth while the Russian-speaking LHO was living with the Marguerite Oswald impostor at 101 San Saba in Benbrook, TX.

I just checked Google maps, and it indicates that the two addresses are 10 miles apart.

If the anonymous phone call contained some accurate information, the Texas episode above could have happened either a little before or a little after the NYC episode.  By 1953, the young Russian-speaking Oswald (Harvey) was clearly in NYC, because he posed for the famous Bronx Zoo photo (one of the pictures John Pic refused to identify as his half-brother).
 

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Sandy,

I think Fred Blair was both the uncle and the brother-in-law the caller referenced.  Just a hunch, though.

 

Geo,

I have difficulty following your posts. What makes you think the Russian-speaking Oswald had Jewish roots? And, if we were to spend a hundred books consulting a genealogical expert, what question would we ask?  If you could make your response simple and clear, I'd gratefully appreciate it.

 

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21 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Sandy,

I think Fred Blair was both the uncle and the brother-in-law the caller referenced.  Just a hunch, though.

 

Geo,

I have difficulty following your posts. What makes you think the Russian-speaking Oswald had Jewish roots? And, if we were to spend a hundred books consulting a genealogical expert, what question would we ask?  If you could make your response simple and clear, I'd gratefully appreciate it.

 

1. i did spend the donation expected on the Jewihgen.com from which I sent you my notes..

2. it is clear that i was opening the name-pages  that are pertinent for the CALL - and I know from an expert ssending me a Magyarization name  list link -  that  Gardos was originally Roth..so that was one name I looked up in he Kindertransport... and the rest i looked up in jewishgen.   Weinstock and Oswald and  some others - as both had Stern relatives I  ooked it up too...

4 Because I knew that Kissinger had a STERN maternal name. 

5. And i saw that one particular OSWALD had a Gissinger spouse

6  I repeat:  JEWISH  OFFICIAL NAME GIVING  WAS DESIGNED TO BE A POLICE TOOL...the function of RESTRICTING IT TO A FEW DOZEN NAMES and some variations - made it possible to make all the name-bearers suspicious. That was the goal. if they had been benevolent they could  find  a rule - like "Use your Location name only" . as Location names was an option, Kissingen is a town name first.

it DOES NOT MAKE IT POSSIBLE  TO ESTABLISH REAL FAMILY CONTACTS  in abstracto..only if you could know which area they lived...or if you do KNOW the family story. 

7- For our purpose - to veryify the TIPPIT CALL it helped me because among the hundreds of OSWALDS and parents and spouses we have ONE that is  called CHARDASH. which can be GArdosh or Kardosh.  It could be looked up in the Archives - they existed in 1963 in the Jewish public notary records. And the person who called - knowing it will be sent to the FBI ma have jut found out this just in an Archive she was n  o t surely a witness. But anyone who ee such a name list sees clearly that everyone has one of the BASIC NAMES so all Jews look like related and SUSPECT. To creat fear in other and in them. (Hence it is  useless for real police work and immoral too...so NOT focusing on Jews in the family - lik the Furman dad - is NOT just a  useless mania of secrets in the FBI and CIA. It would obscure the real focus on facts - and create a mass hysteria.  )   

8 Do you see why this LEAD - X knows Y from family - is misleading in the case of the Jewish names due to its random arbitrary origin? For me as a half jew it is very frustrating and also saddening....

9. BUT WE DO HAVE A NON ARCHIVAL OBJECTIVE  HINT STILL - that the Edition Corvina was he workplace in 1963 of the Gardos couple as translators. we can not be sure that the TIPPIT CALLER knew the small foster kid Oswald at th Gardos-famiy (linked to the Weintocks) . Becaue the GArdosh link was Archive Material publicly. 

But we do know that Oswald did find a CORVINA book important in 63. 

 

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So for me personally it is a huge blow that my work on my Granpa Twin was in vain...yes he knew Kissinger and Dulles and Wisner from his jobplace the Oval Office and then RAND too.  And he was having a State Dept "friend+ - ak me his name in an email, not here -  pressuring him to become Curator of his estate - practically as an inheritor to block his data to be sent to a Russian Zone legal process , to the real family (to hide from the KGB the Kissinger McNamara  and C Vance and Bob Kennedy personal contacts from Harvard)   And he exchanged weekly letters with his niee my mom and me as a kid ---and my mom knew the Gardos couple from  Editions Corvina her jobplace...And my mom may have been used...as a bridge fan she sent lists of rubbers  won and lost...but one of the partners in bridge could use the CARDS as SECRET CODES..to send news to the West to her friends and to relatives like my Uncle. (Who did rport to Eisenhower during the 1956 Unexpected Revolution...(his books title later) Without any offical spy connection they were in secret contact. Why could Gardos not send secret codes to his supposed nephew or foster kid Oswald too? 

 

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Jim, i am sorry i did become fictional again... I hope someone among the readers will be able to see the cause WHY  I am not easily followed... You know that police work needs  sometimes a kind of focused listening to the witnesses who speak convolutedly....I am not deciding previously what I will be saying...because I a  m   t  h i n k i n g and having n e w  insights.... I never imagined before these Card Code things (although i did know about the Card Code game...i have it online in my blog here...www.fonaklap.hu/kozmo click on Memory Cards...When I found out about it I could not know it could have been a way to send coded messages.

And i only know since three weeks that the GARDOS family was known by  my CORVINA-jobber late mom who wd be 95 but died 40 ys ago.  I did ask my aunt (94) but she had no bridge partner called Gardosh. But I did learn when here the local KGB has declassified  files that the Analyst of my mom was forced to TAPE some of his clients...Ad I asked the officials to inform me if my mom was among those taped - as they knew her Uncle was a "CIA" linked person - or not. I asked it in  JULY 2023 and hey did say it will last minimally a half year or more..so mayb soon i get some answer.  BUT ven if she was not taped- WE KNOW THAT HER FRIEND WAS SENDING CODED MESSAGES AND FROM THIS WE CAN KNOW THAT THE NKVD-KGB GARDOS COUPLE ALSO COULD STAY IN CONTACT WITH OSWALD But this  still might not let us conclude they were ruling his moves or his acts.

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As  it is difficult to follow my posts   -  I use  numbers from now on.  So you may slow down and focus on just one item...and skip the ones that are just repetitions. like JEWISH NAMES OBSCURE REAL CONTACTS (in order to create fear).

So I beg you to forgive my style...Imagine you find out a family member involved in such a ...well...cringy...historical ...hm...mystery...  And you must restart your own biography...

I will b 70 soon and I was astonished to have  hidden murderer Princes in my Hidden noble non-Jewish  family branch...in 1664..in  the 1790s ...in the 1840s...but I never dreamed to find such a setup again in my own generation. .. ( I will look up if they had Oswald connections, I will send you the rsuts in mail, not here.)

It is a pity I have arthritis pain and writing and drawing is very painful. So I will never write this part of my story. (My first such short story can be read here: www.sfsalvo. On the content page my pen name is Gyuro Kozma. this is the first part: Njinsky, Golem Part 1 (sfsalvo.com)  wrote it in 1984 but it was only published in 1990 as the Russians departed and a book on a Jewish and Queer hero could be published. Now it is not forbidden -  but in the shops they put on them a plastic transparent cover. Haha.

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On 2/13/2024 at 2:50 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

We believe that the “Emile Kardos” named in the FBI report was actually the Hungarian immigrant “Emil Gardos,” a Yorkville NYC resident who was deported for communist activities in 1949. The “Woman’s World” magazine referred to was almost surely “Worker’s World,” a communist (or socialist?) publication. 

Several years ago, forum member Paul Jolliffe made a post that summed up nicely what we can know and reasonably suspect about the FBI report and the anonymous call it referred to.  Paul was debating a bit with the late John Butler (Geo Kozma gave us the sad new of John’s passing), and so I’ve deleted the references to Mr. Butler out of respect for his memory.  Here is the rest of what Mr. Jolliffe wrote:


…. the woman caller asserted that Gardos and his "son" (our "Oswald"/Harvey) were in Yorkville in the 1950's. That was impossible: Gardos was deported in 1949….. although the woman did not have the right years, that by itself did not completely invalidate her call!

…. the key to the FBI document was NOTi n whether "Oswald"/Harvey was the biological son of Emil Gardos. Instead the importance of the FBI document was that it demonstrated some kind of relationship between Gardos and "Oswald"/Harvey, a relationship the FBI was desperate to hide!

It's entirely plausible to me that the "Oswald" killed by Jack Ruby in Dallas was Hungarian by birth…. the way the FBI hot-potatoed the report of the mysterious woman's call to Mrs. Jack Tippit showed that the FBI was very, very concerned about this woman's information. 

Further, we know the FBI hid that information - they knew instantly that the woman was referring to Emil Gardos and Fred Blair. (By the way, it turns out that the highly suspicious asterisk over and the underlining of the name "Emile Kardos" on the report itself actually was done by the FBI, not John Armstrong! Someone at the FBI recognized the importance of that name immediately, and marked up the original copy!)

The FBI hid that information in two ways:

1. They corrupted Emil Gardos's name ("Emile Kardos"). They also corrupted the name of the publication with which Louis Weinstock was associated ("Woman's World"). 

2. The FBI then classified the report on this call to make sure the American public would never know of it.  And indeed, had Congress not changed the law in the 1990's, we would not know of it today! Even so, it took some real diligence on John Armstrong's part to dig it out of NARA twenty five years ago!

So what does this mean?

Well, if we are right that the FBI knew/feared there was something to the woman's claim, then our "Oswald" (Harvey), really was associated with Emil Gardos for a period in the 1940's in Yorkville. Further, we can reasonably conclude that the nature of that relationship was something that appeared familial and paternalistic to an outsider - the caller believed Gardos was the little boy's father. 

…. (O)thers have been speculating that somehow Emil Gardos's real flesh and blood son, John, might have been the boy (our "Oswald"/Harvey) to whom the woman referred. OK, that is your right to speculate.

However, as I pointed out weeks ago, that was mighty unlikely: it meant that Emil and Grace had to be willing to abandon their little son to the care of strangers in a country to which they could not easily return, if ever. The psychological implausibility of that scenario made it extremely, extremely unlikely. (Maybe not completely impossible, but so unlikely as to warrant severe skepticism.) Nonetheless, you and others were hot to pursue it. Fair enough. 

If John Gardos was indeed our "Oswald"/Harvey, then he was killed in Dallas in 1963. 

On the other hand, if John Gardos was not our "Oswald"/Harvey, then it would be entirely plausible that he would have accompanied his parents to Hungary in 1949 and lived there. Thanks in part to your tracking down Russ Geck, we now know that is exactly what did happen. Mrs. Russ Geck had a father, John Gardos. Mrs. Russ Geck's grandparents were Emil and Grace Gardos. Just as the 1966 FBI report stated (the one which the FBI had that bizarre reaction to a possible visit to the US by Grace Gardos and her little son), the son of Grace Gardos and Emil Gardos was very much alive and with his mother in 1966.

So, now we have two overwhelming pieces of evidence that little John Gardos absolutely could not have been "Oswald"/Harvey!

 

Were Emil and Grace Gardos the type of folks who might have looked after a small boy WWII refugee/orphan from Hungary for a few months or longer in the mid 1940's in Yorkville? It seems possible to me.

But this is why Russ Geck's wife (what is her first name, again?) could be hugely important: she just might, might, might, have some stories passed from her father about her grandparents and their activities in Yorkville in the 1940's. And maybe, if we are incredibly lucky, some of those family stories might include something about the little boy from Hungary for whom they were foster parents for a bit….
 

Hi Jim, I read this only now. Thaks for mentioning poor John Butler. Without hi regular reactions to Paul Joliffe aand John Kowalski I might never have tarted my research into this Tippit Call dilmma. 

0. ANDREA is the name of John Gardos 1s daughter Mrs Geck...she like his father is adiplomat so sshe is maybe not allowed to respond. Anyway it is absurd to think any spy on any sid will talk on his past to grandchildren...(who wr born later)  There is a son Attila never mentioned maybe stepson, i have no idea  - they do not respond to me,mabe becaus I live here in Budapest.

1. In public Jewish Cemetery archives or burial archives  then in handwritten pages and  at Museums today  and at  Family Tree homepages anyone could find that the  (Jewishgen.com) Archives has several hundred thousand names among them hundreds of Oswalds.

2. the Jewish names are all fictive  for the names were forced on Jews in a rigid fixed pattern cca 200 ys ago only... to create a chaos - no  name means a real family ...It was ensured  by limiting the possible  names...And if I am a  murderer it does not make others also murderers in my family.

3. In the Archives anyone can find that the late Oswald Senior was Jewish as it is a Jewish list - some spouses were non-Jewish but that does not mean their family will be accepted from then on..so Lee Harvey (one or both) cannot be on the list. Only the mothers count - that is a rule from minimally 2 500 years, and they are NON-Jews). 

4. From the Archives anyone could know that Oswald had a relative (just one Oswald among cca 400 in the US) called CARDASH...(On the phone a K sounds a G.) So it was not a nasty trick of the FBI - these Commie papers were edited by the same people so it is a minor typo to call them on a different name. 

5. so the nformation was sent by someone who was INTERESTED in its early gtting to the FBI. Because the OSWALD connection the Jewish names was known to someone who could lose a lot...a fresh upstart University and RAND politologist. Who knew that the Oswald family archives have his family name too...As the Jewish name list was restricted everyone of that name looks suspicious...that was the goal of the Lawgiver. (Austrian Emperor and Hungarian King Joseph the 2nd.) 

6. not every Jew knows all the ancestors. Most do not care as the names are fictive and the limited number ensures that a seeming "rleative" is a total stranger. 

7. Except if you are a friend (former translator) of Allen Dulles-  on wiki  - and your family name is mentioned (in a G/K variation on the Oswald Archives. The name is Kissinger, written as GISSINGER on the Jewishgn.com. 

8. I was planning to NOT say it here publicly when I did not yet know this was surely researched at once by the FBI/CIA back in 63. Yes they knew HK. He was known in the media since 1958 when the Mutual Assured Destuction- MAD - debate under a different name  started in the Senate (with absurd attacks against my granddad twin,  Kissinger's former Prof at RAND - where all strategic scientists worked - as parts of the Attacks on th Pentagon (which are pat of life of course in the US.)   But he asked the President to NOT make his name public, and so it was kept hidden. (But now his book on it is up at the Berkely homepage. )

 

9. I would not know this if a few years ago I had not found some inheritance papers of my grandparental twin (my real granpa was killed but this bro survived as an Oval Office advisor from 40-till 65. So I am studying his s tuff (translating his books - even though no one buys them so no one pays it... as no one is interested in Nazi media slang analysis- but the Roosevelts needed it...or the 1956 Crushing of Hungaian Rebells by Crushchew...(who occupied the Crimea from Russia in 1954 creating the special operation  - haha - there now)...

 

10. I know Kissinger was keen on an earlly warning to the FBI-CIA  on the Oswald Jewish material. as these names are empty and given to too many people it hurts any real investigation. But it may create a serious psychotic breakthrough with mass demos against Jews (like it is happning regularly.)

11. GArdos was a translator in Hungary. he made sure that he had a huge classic Commie history book translation...meaning then daily changes done in he Editing offices of the CORVINA house...for om reason Oswald had just one book of Cartoons - ditd by the CORVINA. written by a real relative of the Gardos family...true in general names do not prove a link, but family members at a concrete town in real life do know who is a real relative --although they may be mistaken too. but still i am a family member and i do know now that i researched it and remember some family legends.)  here i must stop eecausee I asked a historian of the CORVINA to look at some records - even if most records are not kept from 60 ys ago in most Editing Houses - even in the West.

12. Excuse me Jim, and veryone else. it is shocking to find such a tragivc chain of events so close to close family members.

Anyway i  have an arhritis arm pain so  writing is not easy. we must wait until I will see  the Cartoons...If anyone has them. on the HARVEY AND LEE  thread in 2019 Paul Joliffe has put up onE drawing from 1947---but that was ironic...no on beleived in the usefulness of anti-Capitalist destruction after decades of Communism....bosses being as cruEl as any evil capitalist except They do not have any rEal merit as their firm was not invented and produced by themselves...Anyway what we must see is if there are any secret codes in the Cartoon Caption (in german...or in the  Hungarian  original or in English. i think they published it in these three idioms...mayb maybe a Russian one could exist too....Cartoons and standup was the Police state tool to control and discharge tensions. 

But I do know there were infomal and secret channels with Western relatives...

 

I would be glad if anyone could send photos of the Cartoons of the CORVINA (by KAJÁN  - Klein - his wife was a Magyarized Osvat (= OSWALD) original ROTH - who died in 2016 at 96 I think) .

because here you cannot trust Firms - they promise to send you a book in a week...and maybe they will tell me in a month that the book does not exist any more, sorry.

 

13. I did write to the Kissinger Institute  that I am planning to metion his role in our family...they know me as the Professor (HK) did want to see me when I was in NYC in 2019 as I told him that some State department "friens" named themslves as Curators at the deathbed of my Grapa-Twin..he may have wantd to say sorry...but the Secretary called me each day that we must eschedule..knowing I hav only 4 days...so maybe he DID NOT want to see me...And now they id not answer me. Although I did NOT KNOW from th Archives that he was an OSWALD "name-family" member...If they had reacted and told me to not write about it I did say I am ready to wait until they declassify. (The Secretary is a known Kissinger biography writer so I think all this they do know...and will publish in a few years...

 

14, I am sorry Jim if it is difficult to follow me. Imagine how difficult it is to me?  But if I had not decided to look up this issue in the archives - for the memory of John Butler  of the H and L EDU FORUM  and because his widow Sandra encouraged me despite it being probably not easy for her - I would have NEVER DOUND OUT this aternative - maybe untue - solution...(And yes I do have new ideas as I write and no , please do not expect it will be easy to follow me: IT IS POSSIBLE THAT DULLES himself ordered the TIPPIT CALL to quickly look up the reality of it and stop it for very real - and NOT MALEVOLENT - reasons.   DULLES was a recognized historian of Anti-Semitism history (of the Russian Secret service produced "ZION Protocols" (with Radzivill involvement BTW)   and he might have found it important not just to save HK hi ex-translator who since became a celebrity due to Eisenhower defending him and his RAND prof  in the Senate debate 958 just 5 ys before). NO, he wanted to be a bit better than the KGB or the Tzar and knew inciting anti-Jewish feelings is hurting those most who do it. 

 

 

 

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Your English is really quite good, Geo, but I think we may still have a bit of a language barrier when trying to comprehend what you are saying.  Yesterday, a Kennedy assassination scholar who is banned from this forum sent me a note after reading this thread and the others you have participated in.  Here's what he said, in part:

...I think he gets confused when he is trying to say the young Hungarian boy was given the last name Osvalt in Hungary in order to groom him from the start...I think what Geo is trying to say is whoever was calling themselves Osvalt under the Oswald Project in Hungary was actually from a family with a really Jewish-sounding name like Rabinowitz and those are the people you should be seeking...I think Geo is telling you to get an ancestry expert to try to trace what Jewish family changed their name to Osvalt in order to find the relatives who would be able to recount the family with the young Harvey...I myself think tracing Gardos would yield more results...Geo does make one good point however...Taking the word of an ex NKVD agent that there was nothing there is naive at best...I think you need a good Translator with Geo who could confront Geo and force him to be more clear...A Translator who could interpret Geo...

Does any or all of the above reflect what you are trying to communicate with us?  Also, is it your speculation above that Allen Dulles might be behind the anonymous call?  I find that exceptionally difficult to believe.

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