"Evidence Does Not Support Theory Of Oswald Conspiracy"

[David Von Pein]

It's more than sixty years later, and yet this headline from page 2 of the December 1, 1963, edition of my hometown newspaper is still as valid and correct as it was back in 1963 (despite the opinions of the many conspiracy theorists who believe otherwise) —— "Evidence Does Not Support Theory Of Oswald Conspiracy" ....

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Edited February 20 by David Von Pein

[Michael Crane]

I have a great meme that I could post for this thread,but the sissified higher ups would silence me for awhile.

[David Von Pein]

A section of the above 12/1/63 Associated Press newspaper article that I found particularly interesting is the excerpt pictured below, which reveals the results of some rapid-fire rifle tests performed in Los Angeles that closely match the Carcano rifle firing tests that were done by the HSCA more than a decade later in 1978:



"The [House Select] Committee test fired a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle using the open iron sights. It found that it was possible for two shots to be fired within 1.66 seconds." -- HSCA Final Report; Page 83

Which means, via the HSCA tests, that three shots could be fired in a total time span of just 3.3 seconds.

 

Edited February 20 by David Von Pein

[Robert Morrow]

1 hour ago, David Von Pein said:

A section of the above 12/1/63 Associated Press newspaper article that I found particularly interesting is the excerpt pictured below, which reveals the results of some rapid-fire rifle tests performed in Los Angeles that closely match the Carcano rifle firing tests that were done by the HSCA more than a decade later in 1978:



"The [House Select] Committee test fired a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle using the open iron sights. It found that it was possible for two shots to be fired within 1.66 seconds." -- HSCA Final Report; Page 83

Which means, via the HSCA tests, that three shots could be fired in a total time span of just 3.3 seconds.

 

Los Angeles Police Chief William H. Parker was a close friend and ally of the Kennedys and he was an enemy of FBI chief J. Edgar Hoover. The Kennedys were just ITCHING to replace Hoover as head of the FBI with William H. Parker of Los Angeles and they surely would have done this if JFK had stayed alive and forced Hoover to mandatorily retire of January 1, 1965 when Hoover turned age 70.

This is the biggest reason Hoover was so immediately helpful in the cover up of the JFK assassination.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41172260

 

 

[Robert Reeves]

A section above 12/1/63 Associated Press newspaper article that I found particularly interesting is the excerpt picture below, which it reveals the Soviet ambassador Dobrynin turned over to Sec of State Dean Rusk their files on Oswald. I liked in particular the part where the State Dept spokesman said the United States had not asked the Soviet Union to supply its consular file on Oswald! No Sheet!

The letter 'Oswald' sent to the Soviet Embassy in Washington had given the game away. Even an idiot can see the plot was being thickened leading up to the assassination. 

"WASHINGTON -- Officials at the Soviet Embassy in Washington had suspicions from the start about a chatty letter they received from Lee Harvey Oswald shortly before President John F. Kennedy was assassinated.

In it, Oswald detailed his visit with a top KGB official in Mexico City six weeks before being arrested for killing Kennedy in Dallas. He pleaded for visas so that he and his wife could return to the Soviet Union. He even told them about his new baby daughter.Privately, embassy officials suspected it was forged, perhaps to lay a phony paper trail to make it look like Oswald was working for the Soviets, according to long-secret Russian documents released by the National Archives on Thursday.

"This letter was clearly a provocation: It gives the impression we had close ties with Oswald and were using him for some purposes of our own," Soviet Ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin, Moscow's man in Washington for 24 years, wrote in an internal memo stamped "Highest Priority."

Dobrynin thought the letter was a fake because it had a different tone from previous letters the Soviets had received from Oswald, who lived in the communist nation between 1959 and 1962. Also, it had been typed, not handwritten like his earlier ones, Dobrynin noted.

The letter was dated Nov. 9, 1963. The embassy received it nine days later but never replied.

Within a week, Kennedy was dead, and so was Oswald -- shot down by Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby.

"One gets the definite impression that the letter was concocted by those who, judging from everything, are involved in the president's assassination," Dobrynin wrote. "It is possible that Oswald himself wrote the letter as it was dictated to him, in return for some promises, and then, as we know, he was simply bumped off after his usefulness had ended."

from 

By Associated Press  Aug 7, 1999

 

 

[Pete Mellor]

10 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

"Evidence Does Not Support Theory Of Oswald Conspiracy"

Well, you can't fool all the people all of the time.  The Barnum effect is manifested in response to statements that are called "Barnum statements", meaning that general characterizations attributed to an individual are perceived to be true for them, even though the statements are such generalizations that they could apply to almost anyone.

So, the man who admired JFK had a bad night & spirited his cranky Carcano into his workplace to kill the president. Let's ignore the many Plaza sightings by witnesses of two men together with scoped rifle on the 6th floor of the TSBD just prior to the arrival of the motorcade.  Bang..........Bang...Bang went the three shots.  So LHO blasts away from his 6th floor sniper's nest and in the blink of an eye fires again from behind the grassy knoll and then poses as a S.S. agent to confront Joe Smith, who could also smell gunpowder behind the knoll.    Let's also ignore Sen. Ralph Yarborough D-Tex., riding three cars behind Kennedy, also reporting smelling gunpowder when the vice-president's car passed the knoll area, he stated he didn't think that possible if the shot came from the 6th floor of the TSBD.  Let's ignore Kellerman's flurry of shots and accept they were all fragments of FMJ ballistics, that must also have winged James Tague & hit the street that Decker & others witnessed or the fragments that gouged out concrete next to man-hole covers.  Let's ignore the blow out evulsion wound to the occipital region of JFK's skull and the tiny metal fragments seen on x-rays etc. Let's ignore Perry's expert professional medical knowledge that witnessed a 3-5mm diameter wound of entry in JFK's throat.  Let's ignore the lack of evidence of Jack Ruby's D.P.D. basement entry to kill Oswald and accept his ridiculous stated reasons for doing so.

All this, despite the opinions of the many Warren Commission theorists who believe otherwise.

[Michael Griffith]

13 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

It's more than sixty years later, and yet this headline from page 2 of the December 1, 1963, edition of my hometown newspaper is still as valid and correct as it was back in 1963 (despite the opinions of the many conspiracy theorists who believe otherwise) —— "Evidence Does Not Support Theory Of Oswald Conspiracy" ....

Just SMH. You're citing a news story that was based on statements made by a handful of Dallas officials.

Sixteen years later, the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that two gunmen fired at JFK, that four shots were fired, that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll, that JFK was hit at a time when the sixth-floor gunman's view of the limo would have been obstructed by the intervening oak tree, that Ruby had extensive underworld ties, that Ruby lied about how he entered the police basement, that Ruby lied about why he shot Oswald, that Silvia Odio's account was credible, etc., etc.

And, it's worth noting that polls continue to show that 65% to 85% of the American people do not buy the lone-gunman theory. 

Edited February 20 by Michael Griffith

[Benjamin Cole]

A soldier on a battlefield, firing a single-shot bolt action rifle "at an enemy position" might indeed fire rapidly. Along with his fellow soldiers, he might be directing fire at a location perhaps 50 feet wide, or maybe even laying down "suppression" fire. 

Firing a single-shot bolt-action rifle at a moving target---that, JFK in a traveling limo---is a different matter. One must fire, work the bolt---and then carefully re-aim. 

JFK's assassin was firing at a moving target. 

In addition, my read on the Z film, is Gov. Connally is struck about Z-295 and JFK at Z-312. That is one second apart. 

That is not enough time for the both shots to have been fired by a lone gunman armed with a single-shot bolt action rifle. 

[Bill Fite]

On 2/20/2024 at 12:49 PM, Pete Mellor said:

Let's ignore.......

Exactly -- it would be interesting to see the list of all the evidence / witness statements / experimental results or tests that one has to ignore to accept the Oswald did it all by himself hypothesis.

[Michael Griffith]

It should be noted that the Dallas authorities were originally going to charge Oswald with taking part in a conspiracy but that the LBJ White House pressured them to drop the conspiracy claim and to assert that Oswald acted alone. 

IOW, before the Dallas authorities knew what they were supposed to say, they believed Oswald had been part of a conspiracy. 

I should add that Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry later revealed that he believed Oswald was part of a conspiracy and that one of the shots came from the front. 

Edited February 26 by Michael Griffith

[Mark Ulrik]

20 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

I should add that Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry later revealed that he believed Oswald was part of a conspiracy and that one of the shots came from the front.

What's the source? I don't remember him going full-on CT.