Trump Assassination Attempt Discussion

[John Cotter]

25 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

True, John, but I was thinking of the numerous, recent, heavily-promoted, false Trump-as-Victim narratives;

-- Obamagate

-- Nunes Memo

-- "No Collusion"

-- Ukrainegate "Hoax"

-- Stop the Steal

-- "Patriot Purge"

-- "Perfect Phone Call" (to Brad Raffensperger)

-- Walt Nauta draining pool to destroy security cam footage

-- No business fraud in NYC

-- Did not screw Stormy Daniels

-- Crooked Joe Biden "investigation"

-- Hunter Biden gun scandal investigation

-- Fani Willis dating a black guy scandal

William, you're back Trump-bashing again. I don't see the relevance of this - especially since I've said repeatedly that I don't hold a candle for Trump.

I would very much appreciate it if you could apply your capacious perspicacity to the questions raised by the videos posted by Karl and Paul about the Trump assassination attempt, which is after all the topic of this thread.

[W. Niederhut]

10 minutes ago, John Cotter said:

William, you're back Trump-bashing again. I don't see the relevance of this - especially since I've said repeatedly that I don't hold a candle for Trump.

I would very much appreciate it if you could apply your capacious perspicacity to the questions raised by the videos posted by Karl and Paul about the Trump assassination attempt, which is after all the topic of this thread.

Let me help you out here, John.

If you look at my lengthy list of false Trump-as-Victim narratives promoted by right wing media pundits since 2016, is it conceivable that the latest one could be, "The FBI Tried to Assassinate Trump?"

Second question.

Is the topic of this thread, the Trump Assassination Attempt?

[John Cotter]

18 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Let me help you out here, John.

If you look at my lengthy list of false Trump-as-Victim narratives promoted by right wing media pundits since 2016, is it conceivable that the latest one could be, "The FBI Tried to Assassinate Trump?"

Second question.

Is the topic of this thread, the Trump Assassination Attempt?

Are you denying that shots were fired at Trump last month which resulted in one man being killed and others injured?

[W. Niederhut]

11 minutes ago, John Cotter said:

Are you denying that shots were fired at Trump last month which resulted in one man being killed and others injured?

Huh, John?  Are you joking?

I'm asking questions about the Trump assassination narratives on social media, including the narrative (which 20% of the public, apparently, believes) that the Deep State conspired to assassinate Trump.

Are they the latest example of the many bogus Trump-as-Victim narratives in the right wing media since 2016?

Meanwhile, you have now falsely accused me of posting off topic comments or questions on four or five occasions on this thread.

It smells like inaccurate ad hominem defamation.

In fact, discussing media narratives about the assassination attempt (and criticism of the Secret Service) is germane to the thread topic.

[Karl Kinaski]

 

  At this point - (five weeks after the shooting) we can not even be sure if the guy on the roof was Crooks or Yearick. Crooks' body was cremated and Yearick dissapeared. Five shells were counted near the the dead body and 20 minutes later they LEOs were talking about eight shells. A week after the shooting former USSS chief Cheatle did not know the number of the shells on the roof. Wray did not know the differnce between shells and catridges. There was a gun sneaked out of the Bldg. No 6 and the roof was sterilized like the Kennedy limo. There is the anunanswered question of blood in the bathroom of Bldg. No 2. Nobody told us what police radio ment with: " second shooter on the loose ..." And contrary to Oswalds kin Crooks kin love the sound of silence. 

 Citizen journalism will open this can of worms slowly.

 

https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/maxwell-yearick/

 

Edited August 18 by Karl Kinaski

[Karl Kinaski]

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Edited August 18 by Karl Kinaski

[Karl Kinaski]

 

Lotta emergency landings all of a sudden .., 

Quote EPOCHE times:

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A charter plane carrying Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) had to make an emergency landing at a Wisconsin airport on Aug. 16 due to a door-seal malfunction, according to a spokesperson for the Vance campaign.

The pilot of the Boeing 737-86J jet, known as “Trump Force Two,” reported a mechanical issue and made an emergency landing in Milwaukee, according to Vance spokeswoman Taylor Van Kirk.

“The pilot advised there was a malfunction with the door seal,” Van Kirk told The Epoch Times in an emailed statement. “After declaring an emergency, Trump Force Two returned to Milwaukee. As soon as the issue was resolved, the plane returned to its originally planned flight path back to Cincinnati.”

The incident occurred exactly a week after Trump’s Boeing 757, dubbed “Trump Force One,” was diverted to Billings-Logan International Airport during the former president’s trip to a rally in Bozeman, Montana, for unspecified technical reasons.

 

 

[John Cotter]

9 hours ago, Karl Kinaski said:

 

  At this point - (five weeks after the shooting) we can not even be sure if the guy on the roof was Crooks or Yearick. Crooks' body was cremated and Yearick dissapeared. Five shells were counted near the the dead body and 20 minutes later they LEOs were talking about eight shells. A week after the shooting former USSS chief Cheatle did not know the number of the shells on the roof. Wray did not know the differnce between shells and catridges. There was a gun sneaked out of the Bldg. No 6 and the roof was sterilized like the Kennedy limo. There is the anunanswered question of blood in the bathroom of Bldg. No 2. Nobody told us what police radio ment with: " second shooter on the loose ..." And contrary to Oswalds kin Crooks kin love the sound of silence. 

 Citizen journalism will open this can of worms slowly.

 

https://www.caclubindia.com/assets/maxwell-yearick/

 

Thanks for that, Karl. There's just one minor, though possibly significant, error: Cheatle told the House Oversight Committee that she had been informed by the FBI of the number of shells on the roof but she refused to disclose the number to the Committee.

Since there doesn't seem to be any legitimate reason for Cheatle to withhold that information, the question arises as to whether the reason for its being withheld was illegitimate. Was it to buy time for a cover story to be fabricated which would ostensibly account for or at least obfuscate various problematic issues raised by the witness accounts and recordings of the event?

[John Cotter]

17 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Huh, John?  Are you joking?

I'm asking questions about the Trump assassination narratives on social media, including the narrative (which 20% of the public, apparently, believes) that the Deep State conspired to assassinate Trump.

Are they the latest example of the many bogus Trump-as-Victim narratives in the right wing media since 2016?

Meanwhile, you have now falsely accused me of posting off topic comments or questions on four or five occasions on this thread.

It smells like inaccurate ad hominem defamation.

In fact, discussing media narratives about the assassination attempt (and criticism of the Secret Service) is germane to the thread topic.

Herewith ends my engagement with you in this forum, William.

[W. Niederhut]

1 hour ago, John Cotter said:

Herewith ends my engagement with you in this forum, William.

Well, thank goodness for that, John.

As for the subject of this thread, commentaries about internet "coverage" of the Trump assassination attempt are germane, although they may not align with the narrative that most interests you. 

[Paul Rigby]

 

[Paul Rigby]

 

[John Cotter]

7 hours ago, Paul Rigby said:

 

Thanks for posting these videos, Paul.

I’ve watched the first hour or so of the video of the interview.  The gist of it is that it’s literally beyond belief that so many professional security personnel could behave in such a blatantly unprofessional manner regarding the same event. The point that I made in my previous post about Cheatle’s refusal to disclose the number of shells on the roof was also mentioned.

Clearly, there’s a psychological game going on here which is essentially that of the “big lie”:

A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth primarily used as a political propaganda technique. The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". (Wikipedia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Here's a comic version of this psychological phenomenon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldbIEMys9oA

The manner in which the mainstream media and the establishment generally have “moved on” as if nothing extraordinary happened in Butler Pennsylvania last month seems part of the same psychological operation.

Edited August 19 by John Cotter

[Paul Rigby]

On 8/9/2024 at 11:12 AM, Paul Rigby said:

Karl, 

I agree! Have you ever seen a more half-hearted attempt by LEO to thwart a crime? 

The "inter-agency's" broad reach plainly extended to LEO. Looking at the passivity of the plain-clothes guys, I'm reminded of Mosby's Rangers providing a shield to the fleeing John Wilkes Booth, who was plainly intended to arrive at Richmond, a plan only thwarted by his leg-break.

 

[Paul Rigby]

13 hours ago, John Cotter said:

Thanks for posting these videos, Paul.

I’ve watched the first hour or so of the video of the interview.  The gist of it is that it’s literally beyond belief that so many professional security personnel could behave in such a blatantly unprofessional manner regarding the same event. The point that I made in my previous post about Cheatle’s refusal to disclose the number of shells on the roof was also mentioned.

Clearly, there’s a psychological game going on here which is essentially that of the “big lie”:

A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth primarily used as a political propaganda technique. The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". (Wikipedia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Here's a comic version of this psychological phenomenon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldbIEMys9oA

The manner in which the mainstream media and the establishment generally have “moved on” as if nothing extraordinary happened in Butler Pennsylvania last month seems part of the same psychological operation.

John,

Thinking out loud, this amateur historian instinctively struggles with any notion of the uniqueness of the Trump assassination attempt lies, from scale to rapidity of moving on. Isn't this what we commonly find, from Lincoln to Hinckley?

How did Stanton, for example, get away with announcing rewards for the apprehension of all Lincoln conspirators, only to prosecute merely the low-level operatives, with any number of obvious leads ignored or excised?

Didn't the coup attempt against FDR receive scant media attention (except for a Philadelphian paper and New Masses)?

Was the scrubbing from the post-assassination MSM of JFK's conflicts with CIA, described by many of the same media in the years prior, any different from what we have witnessed following July 13, when not a single MSM outlet has recalled Trump's well-documented battles with the inter-agency? 

I fully agree with you about the brazenness of the current lying, and with your analysis of its purpose: It just seems to me that Hitler got his notion of große Lüge from his Wall Street backers, who already had plenty of practice in its implementation.

Trust things are a little better across the Irish Sea than they are on this side of it!

Paul