Dr. Michael Chesser Documents JFK's Right Forehead Entry Wound

[W. Niederhut]

People interested in understanding the scientific proof that JFK had a right upper forehead entrance wound should take the time to listen carefully to Dr. Michael Chesser's analysis of the JFK X-Ray and autopsy data, beginning around 2:20 in the video (below.)

Dr. Chesser also clearly describes the fraudulent Bethesda (and HSCA) pathology and radiology reports, and the surgical mangling of JFK's head after his body was confiscated from Parkland.  (No wonder people are confused!)

His analysis puts to rest any claims that JFK was not shot in the right forehead from the front.

Dr. Chesser also describes the witness testimony (even at Bethesda!) of the right forehead entry wound-- debunking Pat Speer's claim that no witnesses described the right frontal entry wound.

 

Edited Sunday at 07:55 PM by W. Niederhut

[Kevin Balch]

With all the claims of fake autopsy evidence, how does one know what autopsy evidence is valid?

The only thing known for sure is that the head was a mess and there was a throat wound.

The Z-film is approaching that level.

[W. Niederhut]

3 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

With all the claims of fake autopsy evidence, how does one know what autopsy evidence is valid?

The only thing known for sure is that the head was a mess and there was a throat wound.

The Z-film is approaching that level.

Study Dr. Chesser's analysis carefully, Kevin.  You'll be surprised.

He uses the extant archival X-ray data to prove that JFK was, in fact, shot in the forehead.

He also discusses the obvious fraudulence of the Bethesda and HSCA pathology and radiology reports.

[Kevin Balch]

1 minute ago, W. Niederhut said:

Study Dr. Chesser's analysis carefully, Kevin.  You'll be surprised.

He uses the extant archival X-ray data to prove that JFK was, in fact, shot in the forehead.

He also discusses the obvious fraudulence of the Bethesda and HSCA pathology and radiology reports.

We are told the X-rays are fake.

Many believe there were six shots. Where are all the bullets in the X-rays? If they were surgically removed begore the autopsy, the X-rays are useless.

Edited Sunday at 08:12 PM by Kevin Balch

[W. Niederhut]

21 minutes ago, Kevin Balch said:

We are told the X-rays are fake.

Many believe there were six shots. Where are all the bullets in the X-rays? If they were surgically removed begore the autopsy, the X-rays are useless.

Fragments, Kevin... and one 6.5 mm slug mysteriously seen on AP only. 

If you study Dr. Chesser's analysis you'll learn a lot.

There was, certainly, a lot of fraud committed on behalf of the WCR.

But some important clues remained.

[Ron Bulman]

9 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

People interested in understanding the scientific proof that JFK had a right upper forehead entrance wound should take the time to listen carefully to Dr. Michael Chesser's analysis of the JFK X-Ray and autopsy data, beginning around 2:20 in the video (below.)

Dr. Chesser also clearly describes the fraudulent Bethesda (and HSCA) pathology and radiology reports, and the surgical mangling of JFK's head after his body was confiscated from Parkland.  (No wonder people are confused!)

His analysis puts to rest any claims that JFK was not shot in the right forehead from the front.

Dr. Chesser also describes the witness testimony (even at Bethesda!) of the right forehead entry wound-- debunking Pat Speer's claim that no witnesses described the right frontal entry wound.

 

Thanks for this W.  I doubt many here will listen to the whole thing.  His halting, think about it answers and somewhat folksy though expert descriptions at times may turn some off.  I find it endearing, honest, straightforward.  Some of the X-rays and pictures are hard to follow.  Still overall excellent.  For any who can't find the time or endure it all:

A little after 30:00 he starts on the right frontal entrance.

At 45:00 he starts on the temporal entrance.

At 1:02 the lower occipital entrance.

??? (time) deception and manipulation of evidence.

1:55 2/3 shots.

2:00 TSBD - diversion.

2:19 3 shots.

End, question about throat shot.  Perry, and all the physicians at Parkland were experienced professionals.  He was harassed by Elmer Moore to change his statements and threatened.  Dr. Chesser knows a friend of Dr Perry in Arkansas, another specialized experienced physician, a Dr. Austin Grimes.  Perry told him, it was and entrance wound.

[Robert Morrow]

12 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

Thanks for this W.  I doubt many here will listen to the whole thing.  His halting, think about it answers and somewhat folksy though expert descriptions at times may turn some off.  I find it endearing, honest, straightforward.  Some of the X-rays and pictures are hard to follow.  Still overall excellent.  For any who can't find the time or endure it all:

A little after 30:00 he starts on the right frontal entrance.

At 45:00 he starts on the temporal entrance.

At 1:02 the lower occipital entrance.

??? (time) deception and manipulation of evidence.

1:55 2/3 shots.

2:00 TSBD - diversion.

2:19 3 shots.

End, question about throat shot.  Perry, and all the physicians at Parkland were experienced professionals.  He was harassed by Elmer Moore to change his statements and threatened.  Dr. Chesser knows a friend of Dr Perry in Arkansas, another specialized experienced physician, a Dr. Austin Grimes.  Perry told him, it was and entrance wound.

The below is HEARSAY (the part about Dr. Austin Grimes) and it is perfectly acceptable to use in the search for historical truth.

Dr. Malcolm Perry told his friend Dr. Austin Grimes who told his friend Dr. Michael Chesser that the wound to JFK's throat was an ENTRANCE WOUND. That is a classic case of hearsay and it is perfectly acceptable to use hearsay; just evaluate the credibility of the people in the hearsay string. And oftentimes, someone like Malcolm Perry would have told other people the exact same thing - that adds to the credibility of the original hearsay.

Hearsay is not allowed as evidence in a criminal court case. Guess what?: historical research most definitely is not a criminal court case.

Dr. Austin Grimes, famed Little Rock Ortho Surgeon died at age 94 in 2023. Dr. Grimes told Dr. Michael Chesser that Malcolm Perry had told him that JFK’s throat wound was an ENTRANCE WOUND

 

Famed Little Rock Ortho Surgeon, Austin Grimes, Dies at age 94 | Orthopedics This Week (ryortho.com)

 

Harry Austin “Steno” Grimes, M.D. / Courtesy of Ruebel Funeral Home

Dr. Harry Austin “Steno” Grimes did not originally choose medicine as a career. In 1946, while still a high school student (and president of his senior class), Harry Grimes set his sights on becoming an ace fighter pilot. He had received flight training at Newport Auxiliary Airfield and his pilot’s license at age 16.

Indeed, after graduating from the University of Arkansas Medical School in 1955 (and interning at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami) he joined the United States Air Force, achieving the rank of captain and graduating from Flight Surgeon School at Randolph AFB.

Dr. Grimes was assigned to the 19th Bomb Wing at Homestead AFB (in Florida) and was, at one point, sent to interesting temporary duty at Ben Guerir Air Base, Morocco.

Following his tour of duty, Dr. Grimes returned to Jackson Memorial for three more years of resident training in general and orthopedic surgery, but Uncle Sam was not finished with him—Dr. Grimes was recalled to provide air support for the Bay of Pigs affair and stayed for a short while, basing out of Barksdale AFB in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Following that service, Dr. Grimes moved to and settled permanently in Little Rock, Arkansas, where he and two colleagues founded the Little Rock Orthopedic Clinic and, later, served as president of the Little Rock Academy of Surgery.

Dr. Grimes served the patients of Little Rock and surrounding communities for more than a quarter century. Influenced by Viktor Frankel's book, Dr. Grimes practiced medicine as both an art and a science. Even after his ‘retirement’ at age 65, Dr. Grimes continued to see patients and volunteered in St. Vincent's free clinics until retiring from medicine at age 70.

Dr. Grimes also had another remarkable skill—drawing anatomy. After retiring from medicine, he took his first-ever art lessons at the Arkansas Art Center and then continued to study under oil painter Barry Thomas, who encouraged him to paint what he saw despite being colorblind.

Dr. Grime’s art has been displayed in local galleries, at art shows in Newport and was chosen for CareLink’s first local holiday card and for calendars of the Arkansas Governor’s Mansion Association and CARTI, where he eventually underwent 12 years of cancer care.

Harry Austin Grimes was born in 1928. The future Dr. Grimes grew up working in his parents’, Aarol and "Annie," drug store during the Great Depression in Arkansas. He earned an Eagle Scout designation and achieved the Order of the Arrow.

As he often related to his friend, the old men of Newport taught him the game of golf during World War II, a sport he enjoyed for almost eight decades.

Dr. Grimes shot his fifth and sixth holes-in-one at age 82.

Dr. Grimes volunteered as a subject in the Physicians' Health Studies I and II, beginning in 1982 and 1997 respectively, which tested the benefits and risks of aspirin, beta carotene, vitamins E and C, and multivitamins. He later volunteered in the Cocoa Supplement and Multivitamin Outcomes Study (COSMOS), where results are still being studied.

Austin is survived by his wife Ann Grimes, daughter Meredith McLeod, stepson Adam Wells, close-to-heart niece Bridget Rogers and nephew Seth Schulte, and cousins in Arkansas and California. He was predeceased by his parents, daughter Mardi DeBerry, stepson Patrick Wells, and step-daughter-in-law Jana Wells.

[Pat Speer]

10 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

People interested in understanding the scientific proof that JFK had a right upper forehead entrance wound should take the time to listen carefully to Dr. Michael Chesser's analysis of the JFK X-Ray and autopsy data, beginning around 2:20 in the video (below.)

Dr. Chesser also clearly describes the fraudulent Bethesda (and HSCA) pathology and radiology reports, and the surgical mangling of JFK's head after his body was confiscated from Parkland.  (No wonder people are confused!)

His analysis puts to rest any claims that JFK was not shot in the right forehead from the front.

Dr. Chesser also describes the witness testimony (even at Bethesda!) of the right forehead entry wound-- debunking Pat Speer's claim that no witnesses described the right frontal entry wound.

 

Oh please. I've been through this stuff ad nauseam both on this forum and on my website. 

If you look at his "witnesses" for an entrance on the forehead, you will see that there are not actually witnesses for an entrance wound on the forehead. 

Tom Robinson said he saw a tiny wound that was not a bullet entrance on the temple or cheek, but Mantik and Horne decided to pretend he said it was a bullet hole on the forehead. 

Joe O'Donnell told the ARRB he was shown a photo of a bullet entrance on the forehead by Robert Knudsen, but O'Donnell had dementia and told Horne he'd edited the Z-film with Jackie. Knudsen himself was interviewed by the HSCA and said he'd developed photos including some that are not in the record, but said nothing about any of these photos showing a hole on the forehead. The ARRB contacted his family to see what they recalled, and some said they remembered him describing a photo of a hole on the back of the head. But none mentioned his claiming there was a photo of a hole on the forehead. 

From there it gets even more desperate. 

Dennis David came forward decades after the shooting to say he was shown a photo of a bullet wound on the forehead by William Pitzer, and that he thought Pitzer was killed for keeping a copy of this or some such thing. But Pitzer's family believed he killed himself, and long-time CT Allen Eaglesham dived into this and concluded it was indeed a suicide. More pertinent to this discussion, moreover, is that Pitzer was not at the autopsy and did not film the autopsy. Now, is it possible he was shown a photo by Knudsen or some such thing and that Knudsen showed it to David? And that David later convinced himself it showed a hole on the forehead? Sure. But the fact remains... No one KNOWN to have viewed Kennedy's body said they saw a bullet hole on his forehead. 

Of course some will say McClelland and Crenshaw said they saw a wound but they actually specified that they saw no such wound but mused based upon the large defect that a bullet entered on the forehead but was hidden in the hair. 

And then, of course, there's the original statement of McClelland in which he said there was a wound of the left temple. Now he later said he thought there was en entrance there because Jenkins had pointed to some blood there. But that hasn't stopped Mantik from using them as witnesses to support his proposed bullet entrance on the right forehead. 

And then, of course, there's Jenkins, who specified there was no bullet hole on the forehead but said he thought there was an entrance wound by the right ear, only to have Horne tell the world in JFK: What the Doctors saw that what he saw was a bullet hole on the forehead. 

So, to recap. There are four men who saw JFK's wounds who have been claimed as forehead entry witnesses. 

McClelland and Jenkins guessed or misunderstood there to be a wound of the left temple...which leads Mantik to insinuate they actually saw a bullet hole on the right forehead.

Jenkins specified that there was a hole by the ear but no bullet hole on the forehead...which led Horne to claim he saw a bullet hole on the right forehead.

Robinson said there was a small wound by the temple and then later that it was two or three small wounds by the cheek...which led Mantik and Horne and their converts to claim he was describing a bullet hole on the right forehead.

It's a hoax. 

 

[Pat Speer]

1 hour ago, Robert Morrow said:

The below is HEARSAY (the part about Dr. Austin Grimes) and it is perfectly acceptable to use in the search for historical truth.

Dr. Malcolm Perry told his friend Dr. Austin Grimes who told his friend Dr. Michael Chesser that the wound to JFK's throat was an ENTRANCE WOUND. That is a classic case of hearsay and it is perfectly acceptable to use hearsay; just evaluate the credibility of the people in the hearsay string. And oftentimes, someone like Malcolm Perry would have told other people the exact same thing - that adds to the credibility of the original hearsay.

Hearsay is not allowed as evidence in a criminal court case. Guess what?: historical research most definitely is not a criminal court case.

Dr. Austin Grimes, famed Little Rock Ortho Surgeon died at age 94 in 2023. Dr. Grimes told Dr. Michael Chesser that Malcolm Perry had told him that JFK’s throat wound was an ENTRANCE WOUND

 

Famed Little Rock Ortho Surgeon, Austin Grimes, Dies at age 94 | Orthopedics This Week (ryortho.com)

 

Harry Austin “Steno” Grimes, M.D. / Courtesy of Ruebel Funeral Home

Dr. Harry Austin “Steno” Grimes did not originally choose medicine as a career. In 1946, while still a high school student (and president of his senior class), Harry Grimes set his sights on becoming an ace fighter pilot. He had received flight training at Newport Auxiliary Airfield and his pilot’s license at age 16.

Indeed, after graduating from the University of Arkansas Medical School in 1955 (and interning at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami) he joined the United States Air Force, achieving the rank of captain and graduating from Flight Surgeon School at Randolph AFB.

Dr. Grimes was assigned to the 19th Bomb Wing at Homestead AFB (in Florida) and was, at one point, sent to interesting temporary duty at Ben Guerir Air Base, Morocco.

Following his tour of duty, Dr. Grimes returned to Jackson Memorial for three more years of resident training in general and orthopedic surgery, but Uncle Sam was not finished with him—Dr. Grimes was recalled to provide air support for the Bay of Pigs affair and stayed for a short while, basing out of Barksdale AFB in Shreveport, Louisiana.

Following that service, Dr. Grimes moved to and settled permanently in Little Rock, Arkansas, where he and two colleagues founded the Little Rock Orthopedic Clinic and, later, served as president of the Little Rock Academy of Surgery.

Dr. Grimes served the patients of Little Rock and surrounding communities for more than a quarter century. Influenced by Viktor Frankel's book, Dr. Grimes practiced medicine as both an art and a science. Even after his ‘retirement’ at age 65, Dr. Grimes continued to see patients and volunteered in St. Vincent's free clinics until retiring from medicine at age 70.

Dr. Grimes also had another remarkable skill—drawing anatomy. After retiring from medicine, he took his first-ever art lessons at the Arkansas Art Center and then continued to study under oil painter Barry Thomas, who encouraged him to paint what he saw despite being colorblind.

Dr. Grime’s art has been displayed in local galleries, at art shows in Newport and was chosen for CareLink’s first local holiday card and for calendars of the Arkansas Governor’s Mansion Association and CARTI, where he eventually underwent 12 years of cancer care.

Harry Austin Grimes was born in 1928. The future Dr. Grimes grew up working in his parents’, Aarol and "Annie," drug store during the Great Depression in Arkansas. He earned an Eagle Scout designation and achieved the Order of the Arrow.

As he often related to his friend, the old men of Newport taught him the game of golf during World War II, a sport he enjoyed for almost eight decades.

Dr. Grimes shot his fifth and sixth holes-in-one at age 82.

Dr. Grimes volunteered as a subject in the Physicians' Health Studies I and II, beginning in 1982 and 1997 respectively, which tested the benefits and risks of aspirin, beta carotene, vitamins E and C, and multivitamins. He later volunteered in the Cocoa Supplement and Multivitamin Outcomes Study (COSMOS), where results are still being studied.

Austin is survived by his wife Ann Grimes, daughter Meredith McLeod, stepson Adam Wells, close-to-heart niece Bridget Rogers and nephew Seth Schulte, and cousins in Arkansas and California. He was predeceased by his parents, daughter Mardi DeBerry, stepson Patrick Wells, and step-daughter-in-law Jana Wells.

This isn't a revelation. Perry and McClelland and I think everyone to see the throat wound prior to the tracheotomy thought it was an entrance wound. It was small and APPEARED to be an entrance wound. No one ever varied from this. The confusion comes from people claiming that Perry said IT WAS an entrance wound...and that's just silly. ER doctors do not declare if wounds are entrance and exit--they develop impressions and leave it up to the pathologists and investigators to determine entrance and exit. 

My own story is pertinent. I was very weak and went to urgent care who told me I was gonna be alright. I got worse. I then met with my doctor who said I needed to see a heart specialist, who couldn't see me for two weeks. I got worse. I then went to the ER. They admitted me and ran tests. Couldn't figure it out. Then one GI doctor convinced himself I had internal bleeding and gave himself a payday by sending a camera down my throat and looking around. He found nothing. Well, the hospital was about to release me when yet another doctor called me and said he thought I had leukemia and wanted to send me to a cancer hospital where they could perform a biopsy and confirm it or not. His hunch was correct. Well, a year or so later I went by his office to thank him for trusting his gut and shipping me out to the cancer hospital and his nurses were all impressed and all but he got a little peeved. He didn't want them to know that he sent me to the cancer hospital before a test had come back saying I had cancer. He kept insisting that my memory was wrong--that they'd performed the biopsy at the local hospital. But I knew this to be bull. In retrospect I think he knew that the GI doctor was an idiot who had assumed control of my care and would probably get me killed, and felt he had to send me out in the middle of the night before I got much worse. 

So, to be clear, then, I would bet Perry felt it was an entrance but knew damn well it was not his place to second-guess the supposed experts. He told some people it looked like an entrance wound and sometimes he said the same thing without saying "it looked like."

 

[Sandy Larsen]

45 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

Tom Robinson said he saw a tiny wound that was not a bullet entrance on the temple or cheek, but Mantik and Horne decided to pretend he said it was a bullet hole on the forehead.

 

Just to be clear, Tom Robinson believed that the temple wound could have been a bullet wound. He merely guessed that it was an exit wound and not entrance.

If asked if the wound was in the forehead up near the hair line, Robinson would say yes.

 

From his HSCA interview:

Purdy:    In other words, there was a little wound.

Robinson: Yes.

Purdy:    Approximately where, which side of the forehead or part of the head was it on.

Robinson: I believe it was on the right side.

Purdy:    On his right side?

Robinson: That's an anatomical right, yes.

Purdy:    You say it was in the forehead region up near the hair line?

Robinson: Yes.

Purdy:    Would you say it was closer to the top of the hair?

Robinson: Somewhere around the temples.

Purdy:    Approximately what size.

Robinson: Very small, a quarter of an inch.

Purdy:    Quarter of an inch is all the damage.  Had it been closed up by the doctors?

Robinson: No, he didn't have to close it.  If anything I just would have probably put a little wax on it.

....

Purdy: Did you get a good look at that wound on the right temple area?

Robinson: Oh yes, I worked right over for some time.

Purdy: What did you feel caused that wound.

Robinson: I think either a piece of bone or a piece of the bullet. Or a very small piece of shrapnel.

 

[Sandy Larsen]

3 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

Oh please. I've been through this stuff ad nauseam both on this forum and on my website. 

If you look at his "witnesses" for an entrance on the forehead, you will see that there are not actually witnesses for an entrance wound on the forehead. 

Tom Robinson said he saw a tiny wound that was not a bullet entrance on the temple or cheek, but Mantik and Horne decided to pretend he said it was a bullet hole on the forehead. 

Joe O'Donnell told the ARRB he was shown a photo of a bullet entrance on the forehead by Robert Knudsen, but O'Donnell had dementia and told Horne he'd edited the Z-film with Jackie. Knudsen himself was interviewed by the HSCA and said he'd developed photos including some that are not in the record, but said nothing about any of these photos showing a hole on the forehead. The ARRB contacted his family to see what they recalled, and some said they remembered him describing a photo of a hole on the back of the head. But none mentioned his claiming there was a photo of a hole on the forehead. 

From there it gets even more desperate. 

Dennis David came forward decades after the shooting to say he was shown a photo of a bullet wound on the forehead by William Pitzer, and that he thought Pitzer was killed for keeping a copy of this or some such thing. But Pitzer's family believed he killed himself, and long-time CT Allen Eaglesham dived into this and concluded it was indeed a suicide. More pertinent to this discussion, moreover, is that Pitzer was not at the autopsy and did not film the autopsy. Now, is it possible he was shown a photo by Knudsen or some such thing and that Knudsen showed it to David? And that David later convinced himself it showed a hole on the forehead? Sure. But the fact remains... No one KNOWN to have viewed Kennedy's body said they saw a bullet hole on his forehead. 

Of course some will say McClelland and Crenshaw said they saw a wound but they actually specified that they saw no such wound but mused based upon the large defect that a bullet entered on the forehead but was hidden in the hair. 

And then, of course, there's the original statement of McClelland in which he said there was a wound of the left temple. Now he later said he thought there was en entrance there because Jenkins had pointed to some blood there. But that hasn't stopped Mantik from using them as witnesses to support his proposed bullet entrance on the right forehead. 

And then, of course, there's Jenkins, who specified there was no bullet hole on the forehead but said he thought there was an entrance wound by the right ear, only to have Horne tell the world in JFK: What the Doctors saw that what he saw was a bullet hole on the forehead. 

So, to recap. There are four men who saw JFK's wounds who have been claimed as forehead entry witnesses. 

McClelland and Jenkins guessed or misunderstood there to be a wound of the left temple...which leads Mantik to insinuate they actually saw a bullet hole on the right forehead.

Jenkins specified that there was a hole by the ear but no bullet hole on the forehead...which led Horne to claim he saw a bullet hole on the right forehead.

Robinson said there was a small wound by the temple and then later that it was two or three small wounds by the cheek...which led Mantik and Horne and their converts to claim he was describing a bullet hole on the right forehead.

It's a hoax. 

 

 

Pat,

You point out that Tom Robinson and James Jenkins both said they saw a small wound on the right temple. And yet the x-ray shows there is no such wound. (The temporal entrance wound discussed in the film is POSTERIOR to the right ear, right?)

Isn't it reasonable then to conclude that Robinson and Jenkins forgot the precise location over the decades, and that the wound they saw was actually a little to the left of the temple?

 

 

[Pat Speer]

3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Pat,

You point out that Tom Robinson and James Jenkins both said they saw a small wound on the right temple. And yet the x-ray shows there is no such wound. (The temporal entrance wound discussed in the film is POSTERIOR to the right ear, right?)

Isn't it reasonable then to conclude that Robinson and Jenkins forgot the precise location over the decades, and that the wound they saw was actually a little to the left of the temple?

 

 

Jenkins placed it above the ear, in an area that would have been concealed by hair. He said there was gray on the bone there. Now I actually think he may have seen this, on the edge of the large defect. I think he later indicated it was not just gray on the edge of the bone but a hole through intact bone. In either case, his description does not match Robinson's. Robinson, after all, said he saw a tiny wound or wounds on the exposed skin--first by the temple and then later on the cheek. 

Now, here's the irony. As part of their three-head shot theory. Mantik Horne and Chesser claim there was a bullet entrance by the ear. This makes Horne's claim Jenkins' saw a wound high on the forehead in Chesser's location so bizarre. Now, I am pretty sure Horne just had a brain fart, and that when he said Jenkins saw a wound high on the forehead he was thinking of Robinson, which was also untrue but at least consistent with his prior claims. But I am not aware of his admitting this mistake. 

P.S. Thanks for the civil tone. 

[W. Niederhut]

Pat,

     I'm responding to your latest post in red (below.)

Pat Speer wrote:

Oh please. I've been through this stuff ad nauseam both on this forum and on my website. 

If you look at his "witnesses" for an entrance on the forehead, you will see that there are not actually witnesses for an entrance wound on the forehead. 

Pat, this is simply false.  

Dr. Chesser specifically lists the witnesses at Bethesda who saw the right forehead entry wound in his lecture (above.)

Interested forum members should listen to Dr. Chesser's presentation.  He is highly credible, in my medical opinion.

Of course some will say McClelland and Crenshaw said they saw a wound but they actually specified that they saw no such wound but mused based upon the large defect that a bullet entered on the forehead but was hidden in the hair. 

Listen to Dr. Chesser's discussion of the entry wound and hairline, Pat.  

It's a hoax. 

That's a projection.

Pat, you never answered my question last week.

Do you deny that JFK was shot from the front, as we can all clearly see on the Z film?

Please answer the question.

 

 

Edited Monday at 02:48 PM by W. Niederhut

[W. Niederhut]

9 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Thanks for this W.  I doubt many here will listen to the whole thing.  His halting, think about it answers and somewhat folksy though expert descriptions at times may turn some off.  I find it endearing, honest, straightforward.  Some of the X-rays and pictures are hard to follow.  Still overall excellent.  For any who can't find the time or endure it all:

A little after 30:00 he starts on the right frontal entrance.

At 45:00 he starts on the temporal entrance.

At 1:02 the lower occipital entrance.

??? (time) deception and manipulation of evidence.

1:55 2/3 shots.

2:00 TSBD - diversion.

2:19 3 shots.

End, question about throat shot.  Perry, and all the physicians at Parkland were experienced professionals.  He was harassed by Elmer Moore to change his statements and threatened.  Dr. Chesser knows a friend of Dr Perry in Arkansas, another specialized experienced physician, a Dr. Austin Grimes.  Perry told him, it was and entrance wound.

Ron,

     I'm glad you pointed this out, because your observations illustrate an important issue.

     Dr. Chesser is not a slick salesman, or a Hollywood script writer.  He's an experienced physician.

     One skill that good physicians acquire during their training is the ability to; 1) carefully examine the medical evidence, and 2) call it as they see it.

     Lives depend on their perceptions and judgment.

     I learned this lesson the hard way as a third-year medical student on the Cardiology service at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston.  (Long story.)

    A doc is entirely responsible for his diagnosis, and needs to call it as he sees it-- rather than basing his diagnosis on what others tell him.

    That is, precisely, what Dr. Chesser has done with the available JFK medical data.  It isn't slick, but it's honest.

    One doc I knew used to joke that, "An 'expert' is someone who is often wrong, but never in doubt."

    

Edited Monday at 03:34 PM by W. Niederhut

[Pat Speer]

2 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

Pat,

     I'm responding to your latest post in red (below.)

Pat Speer wrote:

Oh please. I've been through this stuff ad nauseam both on this forum and on my website. 

If you look at his "witnesses" for an entrance on the forehead, you will see that there are not actually witnesses for an entrance wound on the forehead. 

Pat, this is simply false.  

Dr. Chesser specifically lists the witnesses at Bethesda who saw the right forehead entry wound in his lecture (above.)

Interested forum members should listen to Dr. Chesser's presentation.  He is highly credible, in my medical opinion.

Of course some will say McClelland and Crenshaw said they saw a wound but they actually specified that they saw no such wound but mused based upon the large defect that a bullet entered on the forehead but was hidden in the hair. 

Listen to Dr. Chesser's discussion of the entry wound and hairline, Pat.  

It's a hoax. 

That's a projection.

Pat, you never answered my question last week.

Do you deny that JFK was shot from the front, as we can all clearly see on the Z film?

Please answer the question.

 

 

I studied the video some time ago, but don't recall his Bethesda witnesses. But would be surprised if they included anyone beyond those I've listed above. 

To recap...

Robinson said there was no bullet hole on the forehead but recalled a tiny wound or wounds by the temple or cheek.

Jenkins said there was no bullet hole on the forehead but recalled a possible entrance location above the ear.

O'Donnell said he was shown a photo of such a hole by Knudsen, but Knudsen did not take photos of the autopsy and only developed photos, and never said anything to the HSCA or to his family about a photo showing a bullet hole on the forehead. Making matters worse, O'Donnell was suffering from dementia at the time and no one has even shown he knew Knudsen, let alone knew Knudsen to the extent Knudsen would show him top secret photos.

David said he was shown a similar photo by Pitzer, but Pitzer did not take photos or movies of the autopsy.

Now, I think it's possible both O'Donnell and David were shown photos, and that they honestly believed, decades later, that these photos showed a bullet hole on the forehead. But the fact remains that no one known to have viewed the body or reviewed the photos has claimed he saw a bullet hole on the forehead. 

When assessing this stuff we should also look at the timeline.

1. Lifton develops a theory holding that the back of the head was blown out by a shot from the front and that the evidence has been faked.

2. Mantik studies the x-rays and says, to much acclaim from CT-land, that the x-rays show a white patch that was added to conceal a hole on the back of the head. He then becomes part of Team Fetzer, which follows in Lifton's footsteps and claims that the evidence has been faked.

3. After meeting Mantik at a conference, Horne applies for a job with the ARRB, and buddies up to Jeremy Gunn--who was tasked with clarifying the medical evidence. Horne then solicits questions from Lifton and Mantik and prevails upon Gunn to interview witnesses Lifton and Mantik would like to see interviewed, and ask them the questions they've prepared. 

4. Not all the answers are helpful. Horne asks Robinson about the hole on the temple and is told there were holes on the cheek.

5. Mantik begins claiming Robinson said there was a hole on the forehead. Horne and others repeat this so often many believe it. 

6. Around this time I entered the picture, and pointed out online and at conferences that the white patch did not cover the far back of the head, where Mantik had placed the large exit wound. And had claimed the Harper fragment had originated, in opposition to all the skull experts to study the fragment, and every anatomy book ever created. 

7.  Mantik admitted I was correct, and insisted he'd never told the likes of Fetzer that the white patch covered a hole on the bone. Mantik now said it covered a hole in the brain. 

8. Years later, moreover, he suddenly started claiming that the OD measurements he'd taken of the skull x-rays had shown that there was yessiree a hole on the back of the head, only we couldn't see it.

9. After being allowed nine visits to the archives, and publicly proclaiming the evidence has all been faked, Mantik is denied further access. 

10. He then recruits Dr. Michael Chesser to go in his place. Chesser confirms some of Mantik's findings, but comes out with something new--a claim the x-rays show a bullet hole on the forehead--where Mantik and Horne had been falsely claiming Robinson saw a wound. In a bizarre twist, moreover, Chesser claims this hole is only visible on the lateral view...in a location where Mantik had previously claimed his OD readings had proved there was no frontal bone. 

11. Horne then claims James Jenkins also saw a wound in this location, when Jenkins, as Robinson, had actually specified that there was no hole in this location. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 05:35 PM by Pat Speer