Path of Oswald After Shooting

[Nic Martin]

I've looked through every book & report I own, but I can't for the life of me figure out where exactly Oswald was taken after being rushed back inside the PD. Was he kept just inside the door, back towards the elevator, what?

This might seem pointless, but I'm looking into something where this does actually matter.

[Richard J. Smith]

I've looked through every book & report I own, but I can't for the life of me figure out where exactly Oswald was taken after being rushed back inside the PD. Was he kept just inside the door, back towards the elevator, what?

This might seem pointless, but I'm looking into something where this does actually matter.

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Nic,

Between the area of the parking garage where LHO was shot and the elevator, there was a jail office. Between the jail office and the garage, there was a glass door and partition. Just inside the door there was what I would refer to as a reception desk, about as high as a bank teller's station. LHO was on the floor behind the desk. WFAA shot film footage of this area after LHO was shot, but the front desk was in the way(you couldn't see him on the floor). You could, however, see detectives standing around him looking down. The footage is seen in the WFAA documentary The Story Behind the Story. After the shooting, Ruby was led into the jail office, past LHO, and into the elevator. Sorry I don't have any photos of the jail office, but I marked your drawing with X's showing LHO's approx location.

RJS

Edited September 18, 2005 by Richard J. Smith

[Nic Martin]

I've looked through every book & report I own, but I can't for the life of me figure out where exactly Oswald was taken after being rushed back inside the PD. Was he kept just inside the door, back towards the elevator, what?

This might seem pointless, but I'm looking into something where this does actually matter.

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Nic,

Between the area of the parking garage where LHO was shot and the elevator, there was a jail office. Between the jail office and the garage, there was a glass door and partition. Just inside the door there was what I would refer to as a reception desk, about as high as a bank teller's station. LHO was on the floor behind the desk. WFAA shot film footage of this area after LHO was shot, but the front desk was in the way(you couldn't see him on the floor). You could, however, see detectives standing around him looking down. The footage is seen in the WFAA documentary The Story Behind the Story. After the shooting, Ruby was led into the jail office, past LHO, and into the elevator. Sorry I don't have any photos of the jail office, but I marked your drawing with X's showing LHO's approx location.

RJS

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Thank you so much, that explains a lot, and helps more than you know with what I'm looking into.

[Ron Ecker]

First aid attendant Frederick Beiberdorf attended to Oswald in the jail lobby. Here's a link to the FBI report:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol19_0091a.htm

Ron

[Nic Martin]

First aid attendant Frederick Beiberdorf attended to Oswald in the jail lobby. Here's a link to the FBI report:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol19_0091a.htm

Ron

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You're beautiful. Thank you.

[Carrie Gallagher-Driscoll]

First aid attendant Frederick Beiberdorf attended to Oswald in the jail lobby. Here's a link to the FBI report:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol19_0091a.htm

Ron

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You're beautiful. Thank you.

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Nic-

I ahve a drawing Leavelle did for me if you're interested but I'm not posting it here.

-C

[Nic Martin]

First aid attendant Frederick Beiberdorf attended to Oswald in the jail lobby. Here's a link to the FBI report:

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol19_0091a.htm

Ron

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You're beautiful. Thank you.

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Nic-

I ahve a drawing Leavelle did for me if you're interested but I'm not posting it here.

-C

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Definitely interested!

I've spent the past few days looking into that thing you told me about ( about LHO ), and everything I've been finding.. Wow. It really makes me look at everything about that whole thing in a different light. A lot of quotes make a lot more sense, a lot of footage & pictures make more sense.. Just, wow.

[JL Allen]

I remember hearing that someone began massaging Oswald's chest as though he'd had a heart attack - actually forcing more blood out the stomach wound. Has anyone ever heard this?

Edited August 26, 2005 by JL Allen

[Nic Martin]

I remember hearing that someone began massaging Oswald's chest as though he'd had a heart attack - actually forcing more blood out the stomach wound.  Has anyone ever heard this?

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From "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" documentary from 1993:

LEAVELLE: I was riding in the back with him, holding his hand, arm, trying to reach a pulse. The doctor was massaging his chest, trying to get him to breathe. And he -- he groaned and stretched a little bit and then just went completely limp and I actually -- that's when I think he expired, was then, because I never saw him make another move at all.

So we have document of massaging Oswald's chest, but I don't ever remember hearing Oswald's cause of death was blood loss. Judging by the official version of events as reported in 1963, the bullet pierced his aorta & lung, although I heard later that it pierced the diaphragm. However, that is the official story.

[Robin Unger]

[Tim Gratz]

How sad (if he was indeed a "patsy").

What a violent week-end!

[Richard J. Smith]

So we have document of massaging Oswald's chest, but I don't ever remember hearing Oswald's cause of death was blood loss. Judging by the official version of events as reported in 1963, the bullet pierced his aorta & lung, although I heard later that it pierced the diaphragm. However, that is the official story.

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Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - Lee Harvey Oswald Surgery

Date: 11-24-63

Pre-Operative Diagnosis: GSW of upper abdomen and chest with massive bleeding.

Post-Operative Diagnosis: Major vascular injury in abdomen and chest.

Operation: Exploratory laparotomy, thoracotomy, efforts to repair aorta.

Began: 1142 Ended: 1307

Anesthetic: General Began: 1142

Anesthesiologist: Dr. M. T. Jenkins, Dr. Gene Akin, Dr. Curtis Spier

Surgeon: Dr. Tom Shires

Assistants: Dr. Perry, Dr. McClelland, Dr. Ron Jones

Scrub Nurse: Schrader, Lunsford

Circ. Nurse: Schrader, Bell, Burkett, Simpson

Sponge Counts: 1st, 2nd 2 counted sponges missing when body closed. Square pack count correct.

Drugs: Ca chloride - 3 vials, Cedilanid - 12, One molar lactate - 6, Isuprel - 24, Adrenalin 1:1000 - 3.

I. V. Fluids and Blood: 3-1000 cc lactated Ringer's solution, 16-500 cc. whole blood, 6-1000 cc. 5% dextrose in lactated Ringer's solution. Measured blood loss - 8,376 cc.

Condition of Patient: Expired at 1307

Notes:

Previous inspection had revealed an entrance wound over the left lower lateral chest cage, and an exit was identified by subcutaneous palpation of the bullet over the right lower lateral chest cage. At the time he was seen preoperatively he was without blood pressure, heart beat was heard infrequently at 130 beats per minute, and preoperatively had endotracheal tube placed and was receiving oxygen by anesthesia at the time he was moved to the operating room.

Under endotracheal oxygen anesthesia, a long mid-line abdominal incision was made. Bleeders were not apparent and none were clamped or tied. Upon opening the peritoneal cavity, approximately 2 to 3 liters of blood, both liquid and in clots, were encountered. These were removed. The bullet pathway was then identified as having shattered the upper medial surface of the spleen, then entered the retroperitoneal area where there was a large retroperitoneal hematoma in the area of the pancreas. Following this, bleeding was seen to be coming from the right side, and upon inspection there was seen to be an exit to the right through the inferior vena cava, thence through the superior pole of the right kidney, the lower portion of the right lobe of the liver, and into the right lateral body wall. First the right kidney, which was bleeding, was identified, dissected free, retracted immediately, and the inferior vena cava hole was clamped with a partial occlusion clamp of the Satinsky type. Following this immobilization, packing controlled the bleeding from the right kidney. Attention was then turned to the left, as bleeding was massive from the left side. The inspection of the retroperitoneal area revealed a huge hematoma in the mid-line. The spleen was then mobilized, as was the left colon, and the retroperitoneal approach was made to the mid-line structures. The pancreas was seen to be shattered in its mid portion, bleeding was seen to be coming from the aorta. This was dissected free. Bleeding was controlled with finger pressure by Dr. Malcolm O. Perry. Upon identification of this injury, the superior mesenteric artery had been sheared off of the aorta, there was back bleeding from the superior mesenteric artery. This was cross-clamped with a small, curved DeBakey clamp. The aorta was then occluded with a straight DeBakey clamp above and a Potts clamp below. At this point all major bleeding was controlled, blood pressure was reported to be in the neighborhood of 100 systolic. Shortly thereafter, however, the pulse rate, which had been in the 80 to 90 range, was found to be 40 and a few seconds later found to be zero. No pulse was felt in the aorta at this time. Consequently the left chest was opened through an intercostal incision in approximately the fourth intercostal space. A Finochietto retractor was inserted, the heart was seen to be flabby and not beating at all. There was no hemopericardium. There was a hole in the diaphragm but no hemothorax. A left closed chest tube had been introduced in the Emergency Room prior to surgery, so that there was no significant pneumothorax on the left side. The pericardium was opened, cardiac massage was started, and a pulse was obtainable with massage. The heart was flabby, consequently calcium chloride followed by epinephrine-Xylocaine were injected into the left ventricle without success. However, the standstill was converted to fibrillation. Following this, defibrillation was done, using 240, 360, 500, and 750 volts and finally successful defibrillation was accomplished. However, no effective heart beat could be instituted. A pacemaker was then inserted into the wall of the right ventricle and grounded on skin, and pacemaking was started. A very feeble, small, localized muscular response was obtained with the pacemaker but still no effective beat. At this time we were informed by Dr. Jenkins that there sere no signs of life in that the pupils were fixed and dilated, there was no retinal blood flow, no respiratory effort, and no effective pulse could be maintained even with cardiac massage. The patient was pronounced dead at 1:07 P. M. Anesthesia consisted entirely of oxygen. No anesthetic agents as such were administered. The patient was never conscious from the time of his arrival in the Emergency Room until his death at 1:07 P. M. The subcutaneous bullet was extracted from the right side during the attempts at defibrillation, which were rotated among the surgeons. The cardiac massage and defibrillation attempts were carried out by Dr. Robert N. McClelland, Dr. Malcolm O. Perry, Dr. Ronald Jones. Assistance was obtained from the cardiologist, Dr. Fouad Bashour.

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Tom Shires, M. D.

[Nic Martin]

Thanks, Richard - I think had that around here somewhere, but my desk is a current mess and I couldn't find it.

I found a phone number for Perry, I'm thinking about giving him a call, there's some questions I need him to answer.