FBI, the mob, and 9/11

[Kevin M. West]

Of course they weren't caused by falling debris. They were caused by the fire that was burning in the rubble pile when the image was created.

[Kevin M. West]

West shows his lack of accurate information by saying Building Six COLLAPSED

INTO ITS BASEMENT. Building Six did NOT collapse, but suffered two EXPLOSIONS

which created huge craters ten stories deep, as photos show. Study the facts.

Jack

Really? If you have photos of an explosion, please share! All we've seen so far is photos that clearly show a collapse.

[Jack White]

West shows his lack of accurate information by saying Building Six COLLAPSED

INTO ITS BASEMENT. Building Six did NOT collapse, but suffered two EXPLOSIONS

which created huge craters ten stories deep, as photos show. Study the facts.

Jack

Really? If you have photos of an explosion, please share! All we've seen so far is photos that clearly show a collapse.

Sharing:

http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies115.htm

and the several pages following.

Jack

[Matthew Lewis]

Do you have a link to the full video showing that dust cloud? I have seen this argument on other forums and it was shown that the stills that appear to show both towers still standing were altered. In the original video it was clear that the dust cloud came from the collapse of one of the towers. The 9:04 time was added later and is not in the original video. How do we know it is really from 9:04? All the following photos of dust clouds appear to be coming from a collapsing tower.

Edited September 20, 2007 by Matthew Lewis

[Jack White]

Do you have a link to the full video showing that dust cloud? I have seen this argument on other forums and it was shown that the stills that appear to show both towers still standing were altered. In the original video it was clear that the dust cloud came from the collapse of one of the towers. The 9:04 time was added later and is not in the original video. How do we know it is really from 9:04? All the following photos of dust clouds appear to be coming from a collapsing tower.

If you would study my studies .... (all of the pages)

I clearly showed that BOTH WTC TOWERS WERE STILL STANDING

AT THE TIME OF THE DUST CLOUD AT GROUND LEVEL. Therefore

if neither tower had collapsed, it could not be from a tower collapse.

Is that not logical?

Check it out.

Jack

[Kevin M. West]

Jack, that image is not from 9:04am. Tom Clancy was on CNN later in the day, well after both towers collapsed, and they were showing video of the collapses while he was on. Note how it says 'earlier' on the video. I haven't found the whole interview yet, but here is part of it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bywdNU3CcOs

Right at the end of this clip you can see the dust cloud in question clearly being formed by the collapse of WTC2. Can anyone find the full interview with Tom Clancy so we can see Jack's screenshot in context?

[Kevin M. West]

No Jack, they weren't both standing. You're pointing to the column of dust where WTC2 just fell, and calling it WTC2.

Can you share the source video? It really looks like you darkened those images a lot to make the dust look more 'solid' where you claim WTC2 is.

[Kevin M. West]

And where did you get 9:04 from? It's certainly not the time of the broadcast and there's no timestamp in the video. Or was there one before you cropped out the ticker on the bottom?

[Matthew Lewis]

Do you have a link to the full video showing that dust cloud? I have seen this argument on other forums and it was shown that the stills that appear to show both towers still standing were altered. In the original video it was clear that the dust cloud came from the collapse of one of the towers. The 9:04 time was added later and is not in the original video. How do we know it is really from 9:04? All the following photos of dust clouds appear to be coming from a collapsing tower.

If you would study my studies .... (all of the pages)

I clearly showed that BOTH WTC TOWERS WERE STILL STANDING

AT THE TIME OF THE DUST CLOUD AT GROUND LEVEL. Therefore

if neither tower had collapsed, it could not be from a tower collapse.

Is that not logical?

Check it out.

Jack

I did look at your studies. You have a few pages of the dust cloud from one of the collapses and you label it an explosion in building 6. Both towers are not still standing. The 9:04 time is false. Any image that shows both towers and a dust cloud in the location of building 6 has likely been doctored. That is why we would like to see the source video.

Regarding your studies, have you fixed the erroneous claim that the engine on Murray St was small and light enough to fit in a wastebasket?

[Jack White]

What? Corrected a claim? Unlikely, methinks.

I protest this moderator casting aspersions on my integrity.

He can point to nothing IMPROPER that I have done regarding

this matter ON THIS FORUM. This is biased moderating from

THE LITTLE WHITE LIES man.

I request that the moderator remove this improper aspersion.

Jack

[Evan Burton]

I have deleted my post; I reserve the right to repeat it if your actions warrant it but for the moment will say I should have thought twice before making such a remark and apologise for it.

[Craig Lamson]

Do you have a link to the full video showing that dust cloud? I have seen this argument on other forums and it was shown that the stills that appear to show both towers still standing were altered. In the original video it was clear that the dust cloud came from the collapse of one of the towers. The 9:04 time was added later and is not in the original video. How do we know it is really from 9:04? All the following photos of dust clouds appear to be coming from a collapsing tower.

If you would study my studies .... (all of the pages)

I clearly showed that BOTH WTC TOWERS WERE STILL STANDING

AT THE TIME OF THE DUST CLOUD AT GROUND LEVEL. Therefore

if neither tower had collapsed, it could not be from a tower collapse.

Is that not logical?

Check it out.

Jack

I did look at your studies. You have a few pages of the dust cloud from one of the collapses and you label it an explosion in building 6. Both towers are not still standing. The 9:04 time is false. Any image that shows both towers and a dust cloud in the location of building 6 has likely been doctored. That is why we would like to see the source video.

Regarding your studies, have you fixed the erroneous claim that the engine on Murray St was small and light enough to fit in a wastebasket?

Jack correct a claim? Please! He has yet to admit he was wrong about the offset shadow issue, you expect him to admit he is wrong here?

White sez... "Any time it can be proved that one of my studies is wrong, I am more eager than anyone to acknowledge AND CORRECT IT." ...what a joke!

Edited September 21, 2007 by Craig Lamson

[Len Colby]

If this discusion of WTC 6 "seems like deja vu all over again" it because well we're been over this all before: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5089

As was the case back then, Jack is unable to show us a sigle image (rather than a colage) in which we can see the dust cloud near 6 while both towers are still standing or that can be shown to have been taken before the collapse of the South Tower. Nor has he been able to find any witness accounts that the building exploded when he says it did. Funny that the building could have exploded without anyone noticing.

[Ron Ecker]

I'm sorry I brought up the subject (parenthetically).

[Duane Daman]

Jack, that image is not from 9:04am. Tom Clancy was on CNN later in the day, well after both towers collapsed, and they were showing video of the collapses while he was on. Note how it says 'earlier' on the video. I haven't found the whole interview yet, but here is part of it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bywdNU3CcOs

Right at the end of this clip you can see the dust cloud in question clearly being formed by the collapse of WTC2. Can anyone find the full interview with Tom Clancy so we can see Jack's screenshot in context?

Len's and your deliberate misinformation would be scary if it wasn't so pathetically ridiculous ...

I do believe you owe Jack an apology , phunk ... You too Colby .

"Explosion at WTC Complex

Despite the fact that the horrible events of Sept. 11 occurred in broad daylight and were widely photographed, significant aspects of the attacks have been completely suppressed by a media blackout.

Exclusive to American Free Press

By Christopher Bollyn

A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World Trade Center 6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, although no national newspaper, other than American Free Press, has written a word about it.

Before the smoke had cleared from around the stricken South Tower, a mysterious explosion shot 550 feet into the air above the U.S. Customs House at WTC 6.

The unexplained blast occurred between the burning North Tower and the 47-story Salomon Brothers Building, known as WTC 7, immediately after United Airlines Flight 175 smashed into the South Tower, at about 9:03 a.m.

The explosion at WTC 6 was shown afterward on CNN. But because it was not broadcast as it happened there has been some confusion about when it actually occurred.

The large amount of smoke seen cascading around the South Tower in the video led some observers to mistake the blast for a dust cloud from the subsequent collapse of the tower.

TIMING CONFIRMED

American Free Press contacted CNN to determine exactly when the footage was filmed.

CNN’s Public Affairs Department confirmed that the explosion shown in the footage occurred immediately after the second plane had crashed into the South Tower. When asked if the footage was taken at 9:04 a.m., the CNN archivist said “that’s correct.”

When asked if CNN could offer any explanation about what might have caused the blast that soared higher than the 47-story WTC 7 in the foreground, the archivist said: “We can’t figure it out.”

The affected space between WTC 7 and the North Tower was occupied by the Customs House building, also known as WTC 6. The building housed the offices of 760 employees of the Customs Service, a part of Treasury. Other federal

agencies had offices in the building, including the Departments of Commerce, Agriculture, Labor, and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. They did not return calls to AFP about the matter.

A spokesman for the Export-Import Bank of the United States, which had an office with four employees on the sixth floor of the Customs House, confirmed the time of the explosion and told AFP that the employees had survived and been relocated. One private company, Eastco Building Services, Inc., reportedly leased space in the building.

Some 800 workers from WTC 6 were safely evacuated within 12 minutes of the first plane hitting the North Tower at about 8:46 a.m., according to a Sept. 18 Washington Post article by Stephen Barr.

The Barr piece is the only known article published about WTC 6. However, Barr failed to mention the explosion that apparently devastated the building just minutes after the workers had escaped with their lives.

AVOIDING THE SUBJECT

Although the Customs House apparently exploded at 9:04 a.m., the government-sponsored investigation was steered away from looking into what had actually happened.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency funded an investigation by the American Society of Civil Engineers. However, investigators were reportedly blocked from the building by an order from the New York City’s Department.

of Design and Construction .

Kenneth Holden is commissioner of the DDC, having been appointed by the former mayor, Rudolph Giuliani on Dec. 7, 1999.

Regarding the investigation of WTC 4, 5, and 6, FEMA’s “Building Performance” report says, “WTC 5 was the only building accessible for observation.” But, it adds, “the observations, findings, and recommendations are assumed to be applicable to all three buildings.”

A spokesman for FEMA told AFP that because the building was considered by DDC to be “very dangerous,” there was “no data collection” from WTC 6.

Dr. Gene Corley, one of the engineers who led the investigation, told AFP that concerns about loose gold bullion and cash prevented investigators from entering WTC 4.

The FEMA report says, “The buildings [4,5,6] responded as expected to the impact loadings.” Although the report says, “most of the central part of WTC 6 suffered collapse on all floors,” it adds, “damage was consistent with the observed impact load.”

The Customs House had a huge crater in its center. Corley told AFP that he had not seen the CNN photos before and called them “interesting.”

Corley, like other experts, thought the damage at WTC 6 was caused by the collapse of the North Tower. However, not one of the experts could recall seeing the CNN footage before.

A spokesman for the Customs Service told AFP, “It did not blow up. When the tower collapsed it caved in.”

Corley said he had not seen the photos of the extremely high-speed missile-like object seen streaking toward WTC 6 from behind the North Tower as the second plane hit the South Tower.

He noted that parts of the plane’s landing gear and an engine passed through the South Tower, and landed several blocks away.

These objects, however, had a distinctly different trajectory from the streaking missile-like object. Another investigator, Jonathan Barnett, told AFP, “The debris from Tower 2 hit Building 5, not 6.”

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/wtc6-explosion.htm