Guest John Woods Posted September 9, 2006 Share Posted September 9, 2006 (edited) I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w Edited September 10, 2006 by John Woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famousBabushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman called the babushka lady. She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious gathering, after learning of his interest in the case, THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos. She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown" for many years. Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title. Jack Edited September 10, 2006 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Slattery Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Never identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Choor Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman called the babushka lady. She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious gathering, after learning of his interest in the case, THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP and asked her to show them where she stood. She walked directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos. She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown" for many years. Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title. Jack Jack, this is strange: this is EXACTLY how it went with James Files!!! He also was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain and also showed where he stood in DP that day. What makes you 100% sure Beverly Oliver is the Babushka Lady and 100% James Files isn't the grassy knoll shooter? I'm curious.... Gr. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weaver Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) Mr. Choor, not so strange at all, and if one does look a little closer one finds a major difference pretty quick. FILES indeed did show Mr. West where he was standing that day, but later changed his position and admitted to have lied . Mrs. Oliver did not need to change her position . So the two are not compareable at all. The original FIlLES map can be seen here, look for "I was about here" http://www.jfkchat.com/files/27aug92c%20filesmap.jpg Interresting to note, that this position is much closer to the second casing found by John Rademacher than his later claimed position behind the picket fence is to the one with the dents. http://home.comcast.net/~dperry1943/dealeyma.html Whatever that could mean, I am sure that is pure coincidence. Now back to the Babushka Lady, my personal opinion is, that the real Babushka Lady has never come forward, so please count me as a dis-believer in Beverly Oliver. Edited September 10, 2006 by Dave Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Choor Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Mr. Choor,yes FILES indeed did show Mr. West where he was standing that day, but later changed his position and admitted to have lied . Mrs. Oliver did not need to change her position . Big difference, so the two are not compareable in that regard. Also a big difference between the two: Beverly Oliver was just a spectator and James Files was an assassin! Would you at once tell a complete stranger and admit you were indeed the assassin of JFK? I guess NOT! It just shows Files didn't want to admit a murder at that time, he wanted to do that AFTER he got his immunity... To me it just shows much more the credibility of mr. Files. Not shouting high from the tower that he killed JFK, but is very carefull in telling Joe West some details, because he knows that West found him and knew already a lot so denying also wasn't an option, he just wanted to get his imunity... Gr. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Choor Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) sorry, posted it twice.... Edited September 10, 2006 by Paul Choor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weaver Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) Paul, I would tell a complete stranger anything to get out of prison, I would tell him I shot whoever he wants to hear I shot, I would name names, but would take care that they are dead or on my side and good liars,and watch and read as much as I can about the case, in order to get it halfway straight. You are right, he Files was after the immunity deal to better his position in order to get out of prison, at least it seems that way, he admitted that I think. In the absence of proof I do not believe that Files was an assassin in Dealey Plaza. And I might add my doubt, that he ever killed anyone,he tried to kill the two cops maybe, but that was more likely in self defense from what I have read, I wasn't there, but otherwise all hearsay about Files as far as I know. Let's not distract this thread, if you wanna talk Files, we can do that in the Files thread. Edited September 10, 2006 by Dave Weaver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 (edited) I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman called the babushka lady. She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious gathering, after learning of his interest in the case, THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos. She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown" for many years. Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title. Jack Thanks for your input Jack! Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been dead for some time? john w Thanks too for your input Brendan. "Never identified". Any theories as to why? john w Thanks Dave. If you would like to tell me why you do not believe Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact me at: johnw291@yahoo.com. john w Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated. john w Thanks Paul. ..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes! john w I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll. For those who do not want to post their opinions at this forum please feel free and contact me at johnw291@yahoo.com john w Edited September 10, 2006 by John Woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman called the babushka lady. She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious gathering, after learning of his interest in the case, THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos. She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown" for many years. Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title. Jack Thanks for your input Jack! Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been dead for some time? john w Thanks too for your input Brendan. "Never identified". Any theories as to why? john w Thanks Dave. If you would like to tell me why you do not believe Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact me at: johnw291@yahoo.com. john w Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated. john w Thanks Paul. ..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes! john w I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll. For those who do not want to post their opinions at this forum please feel free and contact me at johnw291@yahoo.com john w Why would she be dead? What happened to her film? Beverly still has the exact shoes worn that day by the B-lady. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman called the babushka lady. She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious gathering, after learning of his interest in the case, THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos. She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown" for many years. Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title. Jack Thanks for your input Jack! Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been dead for some time? john w Thanks too for your input Brendan. "Never identified". Any theories as to why? john w Thanks Dave. If you would like to tell me why you do not believe Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact me at: johnw291@yahoo.com. john w Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated. john w Thanks Paul. ..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes! john w I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll. For those who do not want to post their opinions at this forum please feel free and contact me at johnw291@yahoo.com john w Why would she be dead? What happened to her film? Beverly still has the exact shoes worn that day by the B-lady. Jack Jack, thanks for your reply. Nice work on the image. Would that have been taken by James Murray? Is there any chance that these shoes belong to Jada? Did Oliver have access to Jada's clothing following her (Jada) exit from Dallas? Would the interview of Kodak employee John Harrision referal to two blury slides taken from that position be the Babushka Lady's exposures? Again thanks for your help and everyone else who took the time. Looking forward to more opinions!!!!!! john w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this woman. You can contact me directly at johnw291@yahoo.com or at this Forum. Thanks for your help! john w John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman called the babushka lady. She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious gathering, after learning of his interest in the case, THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos. She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown" for many years. Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title. Jack Thanks for your input Jack! Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been dead for some time? john w Thanks too for your input Brendan. "Never identified". Any theories as to why? john w Thanks Dave. If you would like to tell me why you do not believe Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact me at: johnw291@yahoo.com. john w Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated. john w Thanks Paul. ..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes! john w I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll. For those who do not want to post their opinions at this forum please feel free and contact me at johnw291@yahoo.com john w Why would she be dead? What happened to her film? Beverly still has the exact shoes worn that day by the B-lady. Jack Jack, thanks for your reply. Nice work on the image. Would that have been taken by James Murray? I THINK IT IS A MURRAY PHOTO. THE SHOES BELONGED TO BEVERLY. SHE STEPPED IN WET YELLOW PAINT. SHE TRIED TO WIPE IT OFF BUT COULD NOT, BUT SHE SAVED THE SHOES AS A MEMENTO OF THE ASSASSINATION. THE YELLOW PAINT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME COLOR AS THE YELLOW CURB STRIPES, BUT CHEMICAL ANALYSIS WHICH DR. FETZER PAID FOR WAS "INCLUSIVE". Is there any chance that these shoes belong to Jada? NO. Did Oliver have access to Jada's clothing following her (Jada) exit from Dallas? I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. Would the interview of Kodak employee John Harrision referal to two blury slides taken from that position be the Babushka Lady's exposures? THE B LADY IS CLEARLY USING A MOVIE CAMERA. Again thanks for your help and everyone else who took the time. Looking forward to more opinions!!!!!! john w Jack, thanks for your reply. Nice work on the image. Would that have been taken by James Murray? I THINK IT IS A MURRAY PHOTO. THE SHOES BELONGED TO BEVERLY. SHE STEPPED IN WET YELLOW PAINT. SHE TRIED TO WIPE IT OFF BUT COULD NOT, BUT SHE SAVED THE SHOES AS A MEMENTO OF THE ASSASSINATION. THE YELLOW PAINT WAS EXACTLY THE SAME COLOR AS THE YELLOW CURB STRIPES, BUT CHEMICAL ANALYSIS WHICH DR. FETZER PAID FOR WAS "INCLUSIVE". Is there any chance that these shoes belong to Jada? NO. Did Oliver have access to Jada's clothing following her (Jada) exit from Dallas? I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. Would the interview of Kodak employee John Harrision referal to two blury slides taken from that position be the Babushka Lady's exposures? THE B LADY IS CLEARLY USING A MOVIE CAMERA. I NEVER HEARD OF JOHN HARRISON. Again thanks for your help and everyone else who took the time. Looking forward to more opinions!!!!!! Edited September 11, 2006 by Jack White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) Thanks again Jack. I have several poor Xerox copies taken a few months prior to the assassination of Oliver. One image shows her standing with two other young woman wiping down a car and the other image she is in a pagent. Do you have better copies of these images? According to Shari, Oliver had access to Jada's clothing. The Harrision interview is very interesting. I will have to ask permission to make a duplicate of this interview if you are interested. Maybe, I can just quote a few sentences and not worry about any copyright problems! Harrision states that there were two slides process on the 22nd, the first showing the TSBD in the background and the second image showing the limousine. Both of the slides were out of focus. Harrision places the images being exposed from the infield grasss or the same location of the Babushka Lady. Which image clearly shows that the equipment being used is a camera? Could you please post that image? Thanks. In her testimony before the Review Board she states, "Another one was the film that was taken by MS. Oliver has not been retained by this office." In a letter to me by the FBI on June 5, 1979, which states, The film whcih was taken by Beverly Oliver was not retain by the FBI." Oliver states that the FBI letter confirms that the FBI had her film. In my opinion, their letter states that the FBI NEVER had the alleged footage. The Secret Service agree in their letter of July 31, 1979, of never having such a film. Oliver was supply copies of both letters by Gary Shaw's request. These letters were given to her prior to her testimony before the Review Board. Is she quoting from the FBI letter? I have sent several letters to Oliver requesting her clarification to her PO Box in Nevada, Texas. She has never responded. Your input is very important. Can you clarify or connect MS Oliver for me? thanks!!!! john Edited September 11, 2006 by John Woods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 John, if you know anyone in British Columbia, specifically White Rock: Aubrey Rike, an ambulance driver and funeral home director from Dallas, and Beverly Oliver, a dancer thought to be standing near the presidential motorcade before the shooting, will be featured speakers at lectures, Sept. 22 and 23, at Earl Marriott Secondary’s Wheelhouse Theatre. Tickets may be purchased through Rotary. Call Sequiera, 604-538-8724 or Chuck Belotte, 604-541-4194. http://www.peacearchnews.com/portals-code/...22129&more= Perhaps you could call the Rotary members, or email the writer of the article with your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Woods Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 John, if you know anyone in British Columbia, specifically White Rock: Aubrey Rike, an ambulance driver and funeral home director from Dallas, and Beverly Oliver, a dancer thought to be standing near the presidential motorcade before the shooting, will be featured speakers at lectures, Sept. 22 and 23, at Earl Marriott Secondary’s Wheelhouse Theatre. Tickets may be purchased through Rotary. Call Sequiera, 604-538-8724 or Chuck Belotte, 604-541-4194. http://www.peacearchnews.com/portals-code/...22129&more= Perhaps you could call the Rotary members, or email the writer of the article with your questions. [/quote Thanks Michael. I will email my thoughts to the editor and writer of this article! john w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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