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I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

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I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman

called the babushka lady.

She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked

to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious

gathering, after learning of his interest in the case,

THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next

day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP

and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked

directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos.

She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for

personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown"

for many years.

Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title.

Jack

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I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman

called the babushka lady.

She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked

to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious

gathering, after learning of his interest in the case,

THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next

day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP

and asked her to show them where she stood. She walked

directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos.

She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for

personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown"

for many years.

Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title.

Jack

Jack, this is strange: this is EXACTLY how it went with James Files!!!

He also was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain and also showed where he stood in DP that day.

What makes you 100% sure Beverly Oliver is the Babushka Lady and 100% James Files isn't the grassy knoll shooter?

I'm curious....

Gr. Paul.

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Mr. Choor,

not so strange at all, and if one does look a little closer one finds

a major difference pretty quick.

FILES indeed did show Mr. West where he was standing that day,

but later changed his position and admitted to have lied .

Mrs. Oliver did not need to change her position .

So the two are not compareable at all.

The original FIlLES map can be seen here, look for "I was about here"

http://www.jfkchat.com/files/27aug92c%20filesmap.jpg

Interresting to note, that this position is much closer to the second casing found by John Rademacher than

his later claimed position behind the picket fence is to the one with the dents.

http://home.comcast.net/~dperry1943/dealeyma.html

Whatever that could mean, I am sure that is pure coincidence.

Now back to the Babushka Lady, my personal opinion is, that the real Babushka Lady

has never come forward, so please count me as a dis-believer in Beverly Oliver.

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Mr. Choor,

yes FILES indeed did show Mr. West where he was standing that day,

but later changed his position and admitted to have lied .

Mrs. Oliver did not need to change her position .

Big difference, so the two are not compareable in that regard.

Also a big difference between the two:

Beverly Oliver was just a spectator and James Files was an assassin!

Would you at once tell a complete stranger and admit you were indeed the assassin of JFK?

I guess NOT!

It just shows Files didn't want to admit a murder at that time, he wanted to do that AFTER he got his immunity...

To me it just shows much more the credibility of mr. Files. Not shouting high from the tower that he killed JFK, but is very carefull in telling Joe West some details, because he knows that West found him and knew already a lot so denying also wasn't an option, he just wanted to get his imunity...

Gr. Paul.

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Paul,

I would tell a complete stranger anything to get out of prison,

I would tell him I shot whoever he wants to hear I shot,

I would name names, but would take care that they are dead

or on my side and good liars,and watch and read as much as I can about the case, in order

to get it halfway straight.

You are right, he Files was after the immunity deal to better

his position in order to get out of prison, at least it seems that

way, he admitted that I think.

In the absence of proof I do not believe that Files was an assassin

in Dealey Plaza.

And I might add my doubt, that he ever killed anyone,he tried to

kill the two cops maybe, but that was more likely in self defense from what I have read,

I wasn't there, but otherwise all hearsay about Files as far as I know.

Let's not distract this thread, if you wanna talk Files, we can do that in the Files thread.

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Guest John Woods

I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman

called the babushka lady.

She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked

to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious

gathering, after learning of his interest in the case,

THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next

day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP

and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked

directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos.

She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for

personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown"

for many years.

Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title.

Jack

Thanks for your input Jack!

Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT

to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been

dead for some time?

john w

Thanks too for your input Brendan.

"Never identified". Any theories as to why?

john w

Thanks Dave.

If you would like to tell me why you do not believe

Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact

me at: johnw291@yahoo.com.

john w

Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated.

john w

Thanks Paul.

..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes!

john w

I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll.

For those who do not want to post their opinions at

this forum please feel free and contact me at

johnw291@yahoo.com

john w

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I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman

called the babushka lady.

She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked

to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious

gathering, after learning of his interest in the case,

THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next

day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP

and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked

directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos.

She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for

personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown"

for many years.

Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title.

Jack

Thanks for your input Jack!

Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT

to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been

dead for some time?

john w

Thanks too for your input Brendan.

"Never identified". Any theories as to why?

john w

Thanks Dave.

If you would like to tell me why you do not believe

Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact

me at: johnw291@yahoo.com.

john w

Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated.

john w

Thanks Paul.

..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes!

john w

I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll.

For those who do not want to post their opinions at

this forum please feel free and contact me at

johnw291@yahoo.com

john w

Why would she be dead? What happened to her film?

Beverly still has the exact shoes worn that day by

the B-lady.

Jack

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Guest John Woods

I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman

called the babushka lady.

She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked

to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious

gathering, after learning of his interest in the case,

THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next

day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP

and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked

directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos.

She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for

personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown"

for many years.

Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title.

Jack

Thanks for your input Jack!

Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT

to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been

dead for some time?

john w

Thanks too for your input Brendan.

"Never identified". Any theories as to why?

john w

Thanks Dave.

If you would like to tell me why you do not believe

Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact

me at: johnw291@yahoo.com.

john w

Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated.

john w

Thanks Paul.

..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes!

john w

I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll.

For those who do not want to post their opinions at

this forum please feel free and contact me at

johnw291@yahoo.com

john w

Why would she be dead? What happened to her film?

Beverly still has the exact shoes worn that day by

the B-lady.

Jack

Jack, thanks for your reply. Nice work on the image.

Would that have been taken by James Murray?

Is there any chance that these shoes belong to Jada?

Did Oliver have access to Jada's clothing following

her (Jada) exit from Dallas?

Would the interview of Kodak employee John Harrision

referal to two blury slides taken from that position be

the Babushka Lady's exposures?

Again thanks for your help and everyone else who

took the time.

Looking forward to more opinions!!!!!!

john w

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I'm currently working on the events surrouding the famous

Babushka Lady. I need to know the ratio of those researchers

who believe that selfclaim Beverely Oliver as being this

woman.

You can contact me directly at

johnw291@yahoo.com

or at this Forum.

Thanks for your help!

john w

John...there is no doubt that Beverly Oliver is the woman

called the babushka lady.

She did NOT SELF-CLAIM herself to be so. She remarked

to Gary Shaw while a guest in his home at a religious

gathering, after learning of his interest in the case,

THAT SHE WAS IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11-22. The next

day she and Shaw (and maybe Penn Jones) went to DP

and Shaw asked her to show them where she stood. She walked

directly to the spot where the B-Lady is shown in photos.

She was NOT seeking publicity, fame or gain...but for

personal reasons had preferred to remain "unknown"

for many years.

Also...there is NO OTHER CLAIMANT to the title.

Jack

Thanks for your input Jack!

Could it be that there has been "NO OTHER CLAIMANT

to the title" because the real Babushka Lady has been

dead for some time?

john w

Thanks too for your input Brendan.

"Never identified". Any theories as to why?

john w

Thanks Dave.

If you would like to tell me why you do not believe

Oliver is not the real Babushka Lady please contact

me at: johnw291@yahoo.com.

john w

Thanks for your input Peter! Much appreciated.

john w

Thanks Paul.

..."just a spectator" so that would be a yes!

john w

I appreciate everyone taking the time for this poll.

For those who do not want to post their opinions at

this forum please feel free and contact me at

johnw291@yahoo.com

john w

Why would she be dead? What happened to her film?

Beverly still has the exact shoes worn that day by

the B-lady.

Jack

Jack, thanks for your reply. Nice work on the image.

Would that have been taken by James Murray?

I THINK IT IS A MURRAY PHOTO. THE SHOES BELONGED

TO BEVERLY. SHE STEPPED IN WET YELLOW PAINT.

SHE TRIED TO WIPE IT OFF BUT COULD NOT, BUT

SHE SAVED THE SHOES AS A MEMENTO OF THE

ASSASSINATION. THE YELLOW PAINT WAS EXACTLY

THE SAME COLOR AS THE YELLOW CURB STRIPES,

BUT CHEMICAL ANALYSIS WHICH DR. FETZER PAID

FOR WAS "INCLUSIVE".

Is there any chance that these shoes belong to Jada?

NO.

Did Oliver have access to Jada's clothing following

her (Jada) exit from Dallas?

I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING.

Would the interview of Kodak employee John Harrision

referal to two blury slides taken from that position be

the Babushka Lady's exposures?

THE B LADY IS CLEARLY USING A MOVIE CAMERA.

Again thanks for your help and everyone else who

took the time.

Looking forward to more opinions!!!!!!

john w

Jack, thanks for your reply. Nice work on the image.

Would that have been taken by James Murray?

I THINK IT IS A MURRAY PHOTO. THE SHOES BELONGED

TO BEVERLY. SHE STEPPED IN WET YELLOW PAINT.

SHE TRIED TO WIPE IT OFF BUT COULD NOT, BUT

SHE SAVED THE SHOES AS A MEMENTO OF THE

ASSASSINATION. THE YELLOW PAINT WAS EXACTLY

THE SAME COLOR AS THE YELLOW CURB STRIPES,

BUT CHEMICAL ANALYSIS WHICH DR. FETZER PAID

FOR WAS "INCLUSIVE".

Is there any chance that these shoes belong to Jada?

NO.

Did Oliver have access to Jada's clothing following

her (Jada) exit from Dallas?

I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING.

Would the interview of Kodak employee John Harrision

referal to two blury slides taken from that position be

the Babushka Lady's exposures?

THE B LADY IS CLEARLY USING A MOVIE CAMERA.

I NEVER HEARD OF JOHN HARRISON.

Again thanks for your help and everyone else who

took the time.

Looking forward to more opinions!!!!!!

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Guest John Woods

Thanks again Jack.

I have several poor Xerox copies taken a few months

prior to the assassination of Oliver. One image shows

her standing with two other young woman wiping down

a car and the other image she is in a pagent. Do you have

better copies of these images?

According to Shari, Oliver had access to Jada's clothing.

The Harrision interview is very interesting. I will have

to ask permission to make a duplicate of this interview

if you are interested. Maybe, I can just quote a few

sentences and not worry about any copyright problems!

Harrision states that there were two slides process on

the 22nd, the first showing the TSBD in the background

and the second image showing the limousine. Both of

the slides were out of focus. Harrision places the images

being exposed from the infield grasss or the same location

of the Babushka Lady.

Which image clearly shows that the equipment being

used is a camera? Could you please post that image?

Thanks.

In her testimony before the Review Board she states,

"Another one was the film that was taken by MS.

Oliver has not been retained by this office."

In a letter to me by the FBI on June 5, 1979, which

states,

The film whcih was taken by Beverly Oliver was

not retain by the FBI."

Oliver states that the FBI letter confirms that the FBI

had her film. In my opinion, their letter states that

the FBI NEVER had the alleged footage. The Secret

Service agree in their letter of July 31, 1979, of never

having such a film. Oliver was supply copies of both

letters by Gary Shaw's request. These letters were

given to her prior to her testimony before the Review

Board. Is she quoting from the FBI letter?

I have sent several letters to Oliver requesting her

clarification to her PO Box in Nevada, Texas. She

has never responded. Your input is very important.

Can you clarify or connect MS Oliver for me?

thanks!!!!

john

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John, if you know anyone in British Columbia, specifically White Rock:

Aubrey Rike, an ambulance driver and funeral home director from Dallas, and Beverly Oliver, a dancer thought to be standing near the presidential motorcade before the shooting, will be featured speakers at lectures, Sept. 22 and 23, at Earl Marriott Secondary’s Wheelhouse Theatre.

Tickets may be purchased through Rotary. Call Sequiera, 604-538-8724 or Chuck Belotte, 604-541-4194.

Perhaps you could call the Rotary members, or email the writer of the article with your questions.

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John, if you know anyone in British Columbia, specifically White Rock:

Aubrey Rike, an ambulance driver and funeral home director from Dallas, and Beverly Oliver, a dancer thought to be standing near the presidential motorcade before the shooting, will be featured speakers at lectures, Sept. 22 and 23, at Earl Marriott Secondary’s Wheelhouse Theatre.

Tickets may be purchased through Rotary. Call Sequiera, 604-538-8724 or Chuck Belotte, 604-541-4194.

Perhaps you could call the Rotary members, or email the writer of the article with your questions.

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Thanks Michael.

I will email my thoughts to the editor and writer of this article!

john w

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