Craig Lamson Posted September 21, 2006 Share Posted September 21, 2006 Maybe Jack would also like to show us how people in the Zapruder and Nix film "come and go". Jack claims that Mrs. Franzen has dissapeared in Zapruder and replaced by another woman in Nix. it's part of the color section of "Murder in Dealey Plaza" Wim A reasonable request. Maybe someone can explain it. In Zapruder (1,2,3,4) are the Franzen boy, Mr. Franzen, Mrs. Franzen, and the "gin-and-tonic-man". Note that Mrs. Franzen seems to be holding hands with her husband. Also note her SLIM SKIRT. With Jackie in the same position on the trunk a split second later, from the opposite direction Nix shows MRS. FRANZEN is no longer holding her husband's hand AND INDEED COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED. But ANOTHER WOMAN has been added about 10 feet to the west of where she had been. And instead of the slim skirt of Mrs. Franzen, this woman is wearing a FLARING black TOPCOAT, and though she is standing in front of "gin-and-tonic-man", her right arm is BEHIND him. This "new" woman CANNOT BE MRS. FRANZEN. These two images are mutually exclusive. Jack Because of Wim's request, I restudied the FRANZEN FRAMES and found that Mrs. Franzen grew about 4-6 inches taller and changed to a narrow skirt in one-third of a second. Also, the shadow of the streetlight changes location. How do you explain this? My explanation: alteration. Jack Look at the shadows...she STEPPED BACKWARD...Sheesh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Dankbaar Posted September 21, 2006 Author Share Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) Look at the shadows...she STEPPED BACKWARD...Sheesh... Craig , you're good! What happens is that Mrs Franzen jumps back in horror when she sees the head injuries of JFK. You can see this in the actual Nix and Zapruder movies. Hence the "dissappeared" and "new" woman are in fact one and the same, namely Mrs. Franzen. But I wish you luck in convincing Jack of this. Likewise of the fact that a tight skirt is pushed upwards with each step. Wim PS: Apart from this simple explanation, can anyone think of a reason to make Mrs. Franzen dissapear and show up again? Edited September 21, 2006 by Wim Dankbaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Allen Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 (edited) Here is the earlier version of the Moorman without the thumbprint - it is from Deanie Richards' "jfkplace". It looks as though the motorcycle cop has his right hand raised, gripping something. The perspective pertaining to the rear-end of the limo and the handrails seems a little screwy... (If this picture is still around - why is it that the "damaged" version is the one predominantly seen anymore?) http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/02/Mtr-0024.jpg Edited October 9, 2006 by JL Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 that one shows the thumbprint, but less accentuated than others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Found this thread when looking for something else and found it interesting... not sure if ever settled... It sure looks to me like Mrs Frazen is an awfully long distance from her husband and NOT holding his hand in the Nix film whereas in Zap she is next to him and holding his hand. I am NOT saying she disappeared or moved from one second to the next, but if someone could explain this large distance between Mr and Mrs Frazen I's appreciate it... DJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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