John Simkin Posted March 25, 2007 Author Share Posted March 25, 2007 Choke holds can also cause death by another mechanism. In a choke hold, incapacitation is produced by lack of oxygen to the brain. This hypoxia is generalized, however, due to compression of the airway. Hypoxia sensitizes the heart to arrhythmia. The carotid sinus is a structure located in the internal carotid artery, just above the bifurcation of the common carotid artery. Stimulation of this structure by pressure to the neck can cause bradykardia and/or a fall in arterial blood pressure. Thus, we have two factors working on the heart predisposing to arrhythmias: the hypoxia from occlusion of the airway and the bradykardia from stimulation of the carotid sinus. There is, in addition, a third factor: release of catecholamines. Choke holds are used to restrain an individual who is struggling. On placement of the hold, the individual usually continues to struggle. This results in release of catecholamines, specifically, norepinephirene and epinephrine. These have an arrythmogenic action on the heart. Thus, the combined actions of hypoxia and catecholamines, which are both arrhytmogenic, plus the bradykardia produced by the carotid sinus stimulation, may result in a fatal cardiac arrhythmia. In the carotid sleeper hold, symmetrical force is applied by the forearm and upper arm to the sides of the neck such that there is compression of only the carotid arteries and jugular veins and not the trachea. The arm is placed about the neck with the antecubital fossa or crook of the arm centered at the midline of the neck. The free hand grips the wrist of the other arm and pulls it backward, creating a pincher effect. This produces transient cerebral ischemia. The carotid sleeper hold impedes blood flow of the carotid arteries by pressure exerted on both sides of the neck by pincher effect of the arm and forearm. If properly applied, the compression of the carotid arteries will cause loss of consciousness in approximately 10-15 s. On relaxation of the hold, cerebral blood flow will be restored and consciousness will return in approximately 10-20 s, without any serious side effects. Maintenance of the pressure is essentially manual strangulation, and if continued long enough will, of course, cause death. In theory, the carotid sleeper hold will cause rapid unconsciousness without injury to the individual. Unfortunately, in violently struggling individuals, a carotid sleeper hold can easily and unintentionally be converted into a choke hold as the individual twists and turns to break the hold. A properly applied carotid sleeper can also cause death. One would not expect any trauma to the structures of the neck, however. The compression of the carotid arteries, with resultant decreased cerebral blood flow, can theoretically precipitate a stroke in an individual with atherosclerotic disease of the carotid and/or cerebral vasculature. The pressure may cause dislodgement of atherosclerotic material with a stroke due to an embolus. Blood flow to the brain is from both the carotid and the vertebral arteries. If the vertebral arteries have impaired blood flow due to atherosclerosis then occlusion of the carotid arteries may compromise an already compromised circulation with resultant thrombosis and/or stroke. Compression of the neck by a carotid sleeper hold may also cause stimulation of the carotid sinus with bradycardia. Application of the hold to an individual who is agitated and struggling may increase the struggling, with increased release of catecholamines. The catecholamines working with the carotid sinus stimulation may produce a cardiac arrest. In addition, if the individual has intrinsic heart disease, he may be even more sensitive to bradycardia and the arrhythmogenic activity of the catecholamines http://www.datenschlag.org/howto/atem/english/DiM89.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) I didn't mean to imply Johnson killed his way to the top, if that's what you thought. [...] ________________________________________ That's what I thought you were implying. --Thomas (Although I don't necessarily disagree....) ________________________________________ Edited March 25, 2007 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Choke holds can also cause death by another mechanism. In a choke hold, incapacitation is produced by lack of oxygen to the brain. This hypoxia is generalized, however, due to compression of the airway. Hypoxia sensitizes the heart to arrhythmia. The carotid sinus is a structure located in the internal carotid artery, just above the bifurcation of the common carotid artery. Stimulation of this structure by pressure to the neck can cause bradykardia and/or a fall in arterial blood pressure. Thus, we have two factors working on the heart predisposing to arrhythmias: the hypoxia from occlusion of the airway and the bradykardia from stimulation of the carotid sinus. There is, in addition, a third factor: release of catecholamines. Choke holds are used to restrain an individual who is struggling. On placement of the hold, the individual usually continues to struggle. This results in release of catecholamines, specifically, norepinephirene and epinephrine. These have an arrythmogenic action on the heart. Thus, the combined actions of hypoxia and catecholamines, which are both arrhytmogenic, plus the bradykardia produced by the carotid sinus stimulation, may result in a fatal cardiac arrhythmia.In the carotid sleeper hold, symmetrical force is applied by the forearm and upper arm to the sides of the neck such that there is compression of only the carotid arteries and jugular veins and not the trachea. The arm is placed about the neck with the antecubital fossa or crook of the arm centered at the midline of the neck. The free hand grips the wrist of the other arm and pulls it backward, creating a pincher effect. This produces transient cerebral ischemia. The carotid sleeper hold impedes blood flow of the carotid arteries by pressure exerted on both sides of the neck by pincher effect of the arm and forearm. If properly applied, the compression of the carotid arteries will cause loss of consciousness in approximately 10-15 s. On relaxation of the hold, cerebral blood flow will be restored and consciousness will return in approximately 10-20 s, without any serious side effects. Maintenance of the pressure is essentially manual strangulation, and if continued long enough will, of course, cause death. In theory, the carotid sleeper hold will cause rapid unconsciousness without injury to the individual. Unfortunately, in violently struggling individuals, a carotid sleeper hold can easily and unintentionally be converted into a choke hold as the individual twists and turns to break the hold. A properly applied carotid sleeper can also cause death. One would not expect any trauma to the structures of the neck, however. The compression of the carotid arteries, with resultant decreased cerebral blood flow, can theoretically precipitate a stroke in an individual with atherosclerotic disease of the carotid and/or cerebral vasculature. The pressure may cause dislodgement of atherosclerotic material with a stroke due to an embolus. Blood flow to the brain is from both the carotid and the vertebral arteries. If the vertebral arteries have impaired blood flow due to atherosclerosis then occlusion of the carotid arteries may compromise an already compromised circulation with resultant thrombosis and/or stroke. Compression of the neck by a carotid sleeper hold may also cause stimulation of the carotid sinus with bradycardia. Application of the hold to an individual who is agitated and struggling may increase the struggling, with increased release of catecholamines. The catecholamines working with the carotid sinus stimulation may produce a cardiac arrest. In addition, if the individual has intrinsic heart disease, he may be even more sensitive to bradycardia and the arrhythmogenic activity of the catecholamines http://www.datenschlag.org/howto/atem/english/DiM89.html It also said this, John: "Occasionally, a baton, large metal flashlight, or some other device will be used to compress the neck. The authors have seen a number of deaths with such instruments with fractures of the hyoid bone or the larynx. Since a device is used rather than the arm, they are not really deaths due to choke holds... The forearm is placed straight across the front of the neck. The free hand grips the wrist, pulls it back, collapsing the airway. If too much force is used, there may be fracture of the larynx or hyoid bone. In the two cases reported in the literature by Reay and Eisele and in a recent case seen by the authors, there were unilateral fractures of the greater cornu of the thyroid cartilage. The authors' case also had a fracture of the hyoid bone on the same side. In the two cases reported by Reay and Eisele, both fractures are on the left side of the neck. These were produced using the right forearm across the neck and the left hand to pull it backward. Thus, pressure was eccentrically transferred to the neck, predominantly to the left side." This might be how Karyn Kupcinet met her death. Kathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Several key figures with important information on the JFK assassination have died from heart attacks. I believe that many of these, including David Morales, were murdered. I suspect Morales and others were killed by the "carotid sleeper' method. The murderer stands behind the victim and closes off the carotid artery and therefore starves the brain of oxygen. If the victim is not in good physical condition, they will die of a heart attack within a few seconds. This method leaves little physical evidence that the person has been murdered. However, sometimes, the person will be able to struggle for around 20 seconds before they die. If the police suspect that the victim had enemies they might organize a detailed autopsy. In that case, the police will discover the victim has died of strangulation rather than of a heart attack. This is what happened in the Bob Woolmer case. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9486 John, as I remember the CIA had a program in the fifties and sixties that studied the toxicological effects of every form of poison. I think this was a spin-off of MKULTRA. Anyhow, they were looking for poisons that could simulate heart-attacks. I believe they were successful. The KGB had similar poisons. Somewhere I remember reading about a Soviet turncoat being murdered in London in the early seventies. It looked like a heart attack. The coroner, once tipped off that it was a possible murder, did a re-inspection, and found a small needle-mark on the man's arm (as I remember). Somebody had bumped into him on the street, and stung him with a tiny needle. Within a few minutes he was dead. Without a trace. After reading this, I remembered that Adlai Stevenson dropped dead on the streets of Paris after denouncing the Vietnam War on a radio show. Made me kinda wonder.... At another point I looked into a series of Senatorial deaths and heart attacks. As a result of this quick series of deaths, Prescott Bush became a U.S. Senator and LBJ became majority leader. Something like 9 sitting Senators (of 96) dropped dead in a 3 year stretch--more than in all the time since. Of course, shorty afterwards LBJ had a heart attack of his own. Made me kinda wonder... {Strange I put up a response on this tread earlier in the day...and saw it..now it isn't here.} Anyway...what I said then was, the CIA and others had developed as mentioned drugs that could simulate heart attack and even all but the most suspicious and qualified forensic pathologist would be likely fooled....more so if they didn't do chromatography on the blood and body fluids....I even once heard a name attached to this set of drugs 'digitoxin'. Remember what Angleton said 'assasination had been developed to a science'! I belive many, many more persons than most think were murdered this way to make it look like a natural death. If you look at just the JFK case alone and all the people who had heart attacks at the most 'convenient' times.....that alone would make a statistician take pause...as it does me. Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also). ******************************************************** "Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also)." I could swear we had a thread going here a couple of months back regarding the occurrence of heart attacks-at-the-wheel of a car, in seemingly otherwise, "healthy" individuals, that were possibly the result of a chemical, DMHO [although I could have the chemical compound's I.D. mis-transposed, here]. This agent could be rubbed on the steering wheel of the victim's car, and go unnoticed. It supposedly could cause aneurysms to form on arterial walls, and it would appear that a undiagnosed pre-existing condition could have been in the process of developing over a period of time, pre-disposing the victim to a heart attack or other form of cerebral attack, or stroke. It was speculated that this could have been what happened to Karen Silkwood. Does anyone remember what thread this appeared in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 At another point I looked into a series of Senatorial deaths and heart attacks. As a result of this quick series of deaths, Prescott Bush became a U.S. Senator and LBJ became majority leader. Something like 9 sitting Senators (of 96) died in a 3 year stretch--more than in all the time since. Of course, shortly afterwards LBJ had a heart attack of his own. Made me kinda wonder... I didn't know that LBJ became majority leader as a result of a death. That's incredible, considering all the other lucky breaks which peppered LBJ's career. LBJ must have had direct access to Murder Inc. Could Pat please spell this out a little please? Which deaths helped elevate Johnson to Senate majority leader? It wasn't a direct lead-in. But in 1952, LBJ was just another Senator, and by 55 he was Majority Leader. Between 51 and 55 there were 9 deaths, as I remember, of active Senators. Most of them were old. There was one suicide, as I remember. Another one. Brion McMahon I think was his name, was fairly young. He was replaced by Prescott Bush, who'd lost an election just two years earlier due in part to his support of eugenics. At one point, I wrote all this stuff down. I may have created a thread on it even. As far as LBJ gaining power from this... when someone dies mid-term he can be replaced on a temporary basis by the Governor of his state. The Governor inevitably picks someone from his own party, which may or may not be the party of the deceased. The Senate was in a virtual deadlock in this period. As a result, the replacement of one senator with one from another party could change the balance of power. This change-over occurred three or four times in this period. There was no stability until LBJ emerged as the big dog in 55. Ironically, he had a heart attack very soon after. It all seems a bit suspicious to me. If I hadn't got sucked into studying the medical evidence, I was thinking of writing a screenplay about a secret history of the U.S., where Senators were murdered to change the balance of power, and where the see-saw only came to a stop when an iron man took control, only to have him get saddled with the vice-presidency. You know what happens next. I think you are drawing a long bow on this Pat. Here's an extract from today's Wikipedia entry on LBJ: In January 1953, he was chosen by his fellow Democrats to be the minority leader. Thus, he became the youngest man ever named to the post. One of his first actions was to eliminate the seniority system in appointment to a committee, while retaining it in terms of chairmanships. The senate majority leader, Robert A. Taft of Ohio, died July 31, 1953. The Republicans elected William F. Knowland of California as new senate majority leader. In 1954, Johnson was re-elected to the Senate, and since the Democrats won the majority in the Senate, Johnson became majority leader.Is this inaccurate?If not, why leave out the significant fact that Johnson was elected as minority leader in January 53 - and naturally became majority leader when the Senate became Democrat dominated in January 55? *********************************************************** "Here's an extract from today's Wikipedia entry on LBJ:" Excuse me? I'm not attempting to hi-jack this thread, but I was under the impression that Wikipedia, or Fakepedia, as I choose to term them, was no longer considered to be that reliable a source of information. Especially, due to the proclivity of its originator to continually condone the allowance of misrepresentation by, as well as, refuse to supply sufficient background checks of, their supposedly qualified (?) contributors. And, since this issue has recently come to light regarding this site, how can one continue to reference this organization as one from which its articles should be able to stand as factual? Or, has a truce been recently called between Spartacus and that particular site, of which I am unaware, at present? In other words, has Spartacus finally become an acceptable link offered by Wikipedia, or are we still being "dissed?" Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crane Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) The choke holds that you are referring to are commonly used in MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) and is called a rear naked choke in BJJ (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu) & Judo circles.A rear naked choke cuts off the blood supply to the brain,while a guillotine choke (windpipe) cuts off the oxygen supply to the brain. The Rear Naked Choke is also utilized in Law Enforcement & is referred to as a "Vascular Neck Restraint" Anyone in the State of California that "chokes" a person out can face the charge of attempted murder. *The safest & fastest way to revive a person that has been choked out (not killed) is to lay them on their back & lift their legs up.Another quick way to revive them is to sit them up and put pressure (with a knee) in the middle of the back and wave their arms in a circular motion. Edited March 25, 2007 by Michael Crane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Robbins Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Off topic, but, possibly related.... LHO had several needle punctures in strange areas on his body at the time of his autopsy. Perhaps there was fear that the gunshot alone would not be sufficient to cause death? The marks were described as being surrounded by a blue coloring. Perhaps a blood thinning chemical (rat poison?) was used which caused death by uncontrollable bleeding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Robbins Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Several key figures with important information on the JFK assassination have died from heart attacks. I believe that many of these, including David Morales, were murdered. I suspect Morales and others were killed by the "carotid sleeper' method. The murderer stands behind the victim and closes off the carotid artery and therefore starves the brain of oxygen. If the victim is not in good physical condition, they will die of a heart attack within a few seconds. This method leaves little physical evidence that the person has been murdered. However, sometimes, the person will be able to struggle for around 20 seconds before they die. If the police suspect that the victim had enemies they might organize a detailed autopsy. In that case, the police will discover the victim has died of strangulation rather than of a heart attack. This is what happened in the Bob Woolmer case. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9486 John, as I remember the CIA had a program in the fifties and sixties that studied the toxicological effects of every form of poison. I think this was a spin-off of MKULTRA. Anyhow, they were looking for poisons that could simulate heart-attacks. I believe they were successful. The KGB had similar poisons. Somewhere I remember reading about a Soviet turncoat being murdered in London in the early seventies. It looked like a heart attack. The coroner, once tipped off that it was a possible murder, did a re-inspection, and found a small needle-mark on the man's arm (as I remember). Somebody had bumped into him on the street, and stung him with a tiny needle. Within a few minutes he was dead. Without a trace. After reading this, I remembered that Adlai Stevenson dropped dead on the streets of Paris after denouncing the Vietnam War on a radio show. Made me kinda wonder.... At another point I looked into a series of Senatorial deaths and heart attacks. As a result of this quick series of deaths, Prescott Bush became a U.S. Senator and LBJ became majority leader. Something like 9 sitting Senators (of 96) dropped dead in a 3 year stretch--more than in all the time since. Of course, shorty afterwards LBJ had a heart attack of his own. Made me kinda wonder... {Strange I put up a response on this tread earlier in the day...and saw it..now it isn't here.} Anyway...what I said then was, the CIA and others had developed as mentioned drugs that could simulate heart attack and even all but the most suspicious and qualified forensic pathologist would be likely fooled....more so if they didn't do chromatography on the blood and body fluids....I even once heard a name attached to this set of drugs 'digitoxin'. Remember what Angleton said 'assasination had been developed to a science'! I belive many, many more persons than most think were murdered this way to make it look like a natural death. If you look at just the JFK case alone and all the people who had heart attacks at the most 'convenient' times.....that alone would make a statistician take pause...as it does me. Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also). ******************************************************** "Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also)." I could swear we had a thread going here a couple of months back regarding the occurrence of heart attacks-at-the-wheel of a car, in seemingly otherwise, "healthy" individuals, that were possibly the result of a chemical, DMHO [although I could have the chemical compound's I.D. mis-transposed, here]. This agent could be rubbed on the steering wheel of the victim's car, and go unnoticed. It supposedly could cause aneurysms to form on arterial walls, and it would appear that a undiagnosed pre-existing condition could have been in the process of developing over a period of time, pre-disposing the victim to a heart attack or other form of cerebral attack, or stroke. It was speculated that this could have been what happened to Karen Silkwood. Does anyone remember what thread this appeared in? DMSO di-methyl-sulf-oxide A chemical which allows for the passing of chemicals through the skin. Mix poison with DMSO and whomever comes in contact with the DMSO-poison mixture becomes poisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Walker Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Here's an extract from today's Wikipedia entry on LBJ: In January 1953, he was chosen by his fellow Democrats to be the minority leader. Thus, he became the youngest man ever named to the post. One of his first actions was to eliminate the seniority system in appointment to a committee, while retaining it in terms of chairmanships. The senate majority leader, Robert A. Taft of Ohio, died July 31, 1953. The Republicans elected William F. Knowland of California as new senate majority leader. In 1954, Johnson was re-elected to the Senate, and since the Democrats won the majority in the Senate, Johnson became majority leader.Is this inaccurate?If not, why leave out the significant fact that Johnson was elected as minority leader in January 53 - and naturally became majority leader when the Senate became Democrat dominated in January 55? *********************************************************** "Here's an extract from today's Wikipedia entry on LBJ:" Excuse me? I'm not attempting to hi-jack this thread, but I was under the impression that Wikipedia, or Fakepedia, as I choose to term them, was no longer considered to be that reliable a source of information. Especially, due to the proclivity of its originator to continually condone the allowance of misrepresentation by, as well as, refuse to supply sufficient background checks of, their supposedly qualified (?) contributors. And, since this issue has recently come to light regarding this site, how can one continue to reference this organization as one from which its articles should be able to stand as factual? Or, has a truce been recently called between Spartacus and that particular site, of which I am unaware, at present? In other words, has Spartacus finally become an acceptable link offered by Wikipedia, or are we still being "dissed?" Just wondering. Terry. My posts don't reflect any kind of forum group policy. The post in question carefully said "today's Wikipedia" to draw attention to the fact that I'm well aware (as are most regulars here) of some of the pitfalls of using Wikipedia as a source. What's more, I specifically asked whether Pat (or anyone else) wished to contest the info cited. I sometimes use the CIA Factbook as a source. No overall endorsement of the CIA as an organisation is implicit in such a citation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Here's an extract from today's Wikipedia entry on LBJ: In January 1953, he was chosen by his fellow Democrats to be the minority leader. Thus, he became the youngest man ever named to the post. One of his first actions was to eliminate the seniority system in appointment to a committee, while retaining it in terms of chairmanships. The senate majority leader, Robert A. Taft of Ohio, died July 31, 1953. The Republicans elected William F. Knowland of California as new senate majority leader. In 1954, Johnson was re-elected to the Senate, and since the Democrats won the majority in the Senate, Johnson became majority leader.Is this inaccurate?If not, why leave out the significant fact that Johnson was elected as minority leader in January 53 - and naturally became majority leader when the Senate became Democrat dominated in January 55? *********************************************************** "Here's an extract from today's Wikipedia entry on LBJ:" Excuse me? I'm not attempting to hi-jack this thread, but I was under the impression that Wikipedia, or Fakepedia, as I choose to term them, was no longer considered to be that reliable a source of information. Especially, due to the proclivity of its originator to continually condone the allowance of misrepresentation by, as well as, refuse to supply sufficient background checks of, their supposedly qualified (?) contributors. And, since this issue has recently come to light regarding this site, how can one continue to reference this organization as one from which its articles should be able to stand as factual? Or, has a truce been recently called between Spartacus and that particular site, of which I am unaware, at present? In other words, has Spartacus finally become an acceptable link offered by Wikipedia, or are we still being "dissed?" Just wondering. Terry. My posts don't reflect any kind of forum group policy. The post in question carefully said "today's Wikipedia" to draw attention to the fact that I'm well aware (as are most regulars here) of some of the pitfalls of using Wikipedia as a source. What's more, I specifically asked whether Pat (or anyone else) wished to contest the info cited. I sometimes use the CIA Factbook as a source. No overall endorsement of the CIA as an organisation is implicit in such a citation. ******************************************************** Thank you for clarification on that fact, Sid. I don't get around to the forum as much as I used to, and I wanted to know if there was something I may have missed in the interim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Several key figures with important information on the JFK assassination have died from heart attacks. I believe that many of these, including David Morales, were murdered. I suspect Morales and others were killed by the "carotid sleeper' method. The murderer stands behind the victim and closes off the carotid artery and therefore starves the brain of oxygen. If the victim is not in good physical condition, they will die of a heart attack within a few seconds. This method leaves little physical evidence that the person has been murdered. However, sometimes, the person will be able to struggle for around 20 seconds before they die. If the police suspect that the victim had enemies they might organize a detailed autopsy. In that case, the police will discover the victim has died of strangulation rather than of a heart attack. This is what happened in the Bob Woolmer case. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9486 John, as I remember the CIA had a program in the fifties and sixties that studied the toxicological effects of every form of poison. I think this was a spin-off of MKULTRA. Anyhow, they were looking for poisons that could simulate heart-attacks. I believe they were successful. The KGB had similar poisons. Somewhere I remember reading about a Soviet turncoat being murdered in London in the early seventies. It looked like a heart attack. The coroner, once tipped off that it was a possible murder, did a re-inspection, and found a small needle-mark on the man's arm (as I remember). Somebody had bumped into him on the street, and stung him with a tiny needle. Within a few minutes he was dead. Without a trace. After reading this, I remembered that Adlai Stevenson dropped dead on the streets of Paris after denouncing the Vietnam War on a radio show. Made me kinda wonder.... At another point I looked into a series of Senatorial deaths and heart attacks. As a result of this quick series of deaths, Prescott Bush became a U.S. Senator and LBJ became majority leader. Something like 9 sitting Senators (of 96) dropped dead in a 3 year stretch--more than in all the time since. Of course, shorty afterwards LBJ had a heart attack of his own. Made me kinda wonder... {Strange I put up a response on this tread earlier in the day...and saw it..now it isn't here.} Anyway...what I said then was, the CIA and others had developed as mentioned drugs that could simulate heart attack and even all but the most suspicious and qualified forensic pathologist would be likely fooled....more so if they didn't do chromatography on the blood and body fluids....I even once heard a name attached to this set of drugs 'digitoxin'. Remember what Angleton said 'assasination had been developed to a science'! I belive many, many more persons than most think were murdered this way to make it look like a natural death. If you look at just the JFK case alone and all the people who had heart attacks at the most 'convenient' times.....that alone would make a statistician take pause...as it does me. Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also). ******************************************************** "Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also)." I could swear we had a thread going here a couple of months back regarding the occurrence of heart attacks-at-the-wheel of a car, in seemingly otherwise, "healthy" individuals, that were possibly the result of a chemical, DMHO [although I could have the chemical compound's I.D. mis-transposed, here]. This agent could be rubbed on the steering wheel of the victim's car, and go unnoticed. It supposedly could cause aneurysms to form on arterial walls, and it would appear that a undiagnosed pre-existing condition could have been in the process of developing over a period of time, pre-disposing the victim to a heart attack or other form of cerebral attack, or stroke. It was speculated that this could have been what happened to Karen Silkwood. Does anyone remember what thread this appeared in? DMSO di-methyl-sulf-oxide A chemical which allows for the passing of chemicals through the skin. Mix poison with DMSO and whomever comes in contact with the DMSO-poison mixture becomes poisoned. ********************************************************** DMSO, seems like a chemical that would be put to much better use as a vehicle for topical application of beneficial products into the skin, such as medicines, or even for cosmetic purposes. How sinister, otherwise. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Robbins Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 DMSO di-methyl-sulf-oxide A chemical which allows for the passing of chemicals through the skin. Mix poison with DMSO and whomever comes in contact with the DMSO-poison mixture becomes poisoned. ********************************************************** DMSO, seems like a chemical that would be put to much better use as a vehicle for topical application of beneficial products into the skin, such as medicines, or even for cosmetic purposes. How sinister, otherwise. Thanks for the clarification. DMSO was used by many people to help ease their arthritis pains. For some time DMSO was only available through health food stores. DMSO was not prescribed by Drs. for medical ailments. The medical lobby found the non-prescription use of this drug to be an unacceptable practice and had the substance outlawed in California over 10 years ago. The nerve of ordinary citizens taking care of their own medical conditions! There has to be a law against that sort of thing you know. Big Brother in action. We know what is best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Mauro Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Several key figures with important information on the JFK assassination have died from heart attacks. I believe that many of these, including David Morales, were murdered. I suspect Morales and others were killed by the "carotid sleeper' method. The murderer stands behind the victim and closes off the carotid artery and therefore starves the brain of oxygen. If the victim is not in good physical condition, they will die of a heart attack within a few seconds. This method leaves little physical evidence that the person has been murdered. However, sometimes, the person will be able to struggle for around 20 seconds before they die. If the police suspect that the victim had enemies they might organize a detailed autopsy. In that case, the police will discover the victim has died of strangulation rather than of a heart attack. This is what happened in the Bob Woolmer case. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9486 John, as I remember the CIA had a program in the fifties and sixties that studied the toxicological effects of every form of poison. I think this was a spin-off of MKULTRA. Anyhow, they were looking for poisons that could simulate heart-attacks. I believe they were successful. The KGB had similar poisons. Somewhere I remember reading about a Soviet turncoat being murdered in London in the early seventies. It looked like a heart attack. The coroner, once tipped off that it was a possible murder, did a re-inspection, and found a small needle-mark on the man's arm (as I remember). Somebody had bumped into him on the street, and stung him with a tiny needle. Within a few minutes he was dead. Without a trace. After reading this, I remembered that Adlai Stevenson dropped dead on the streets of Paris after denouncing the Vietnam War on a radio show. Made me kinda wonder.... At another point I looked into a series of Senatorial deaths and heart attacks. As a result of this quick series of deaths, Prescott Bush became a U.S. Senator and LBJ became majority leader. Something like 9 sitting Senators (of 96) dropped dead in a 3 year stretch--more than in all the time since. Of course, shorty afterwards LBJ had a heart attack of his own. Made me kinda wonder... {Strange I put up a response on this tread earlier in the day...and saw it..now it isn't here.} Anyway...what I said then was, the CIA and others had developed as mentioned drugs that could simulate heart attack and even all but the most suspicious and qualified forensic pathologist would be likely fooled....more so if they didn't do chromatography on the blood and body fluids....I even once heard a name attached to this set of drugs 'digitoxin'. Remember what Angleton said 'assasination had been developed to a science'! I belive many, many more persons than most think were murdered this way to make it look like a natural death. If you look at just the JFK case alone and all the people who had heart attacks at the most 'convenient' times.....that alone would make a statistician take pause...as it does me. Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also). ******************************************************** "Yes, people naturally die of heart attacks and other natural things...but, yes, the intelligence community has also developed nearly undetectable simulators of 'natural' death - i.e. they mimic natural death. (interesting to note that the Mockingbird mimics also)." I could swear we had a thread going here a couple of months back regarding the occurrence of heart attacks-at-the-wheel of a car, in seemingly otherwise, "healthy" individuals, that were possibly the result of a chemical, DMHO [although I could have the chemical compound's I.D. mis-transposed, here]. This agent could be rubbed on the steering wheel of the victim's car, and go unnoticed. It supposedly could cause aneurysms to form on arterial walls, and it would appear that a undiagnosed pre-existing condition could have been in the process of developing over a period of time, pre-disposing the victim to a heart attack or other form of cerebral attack, or stroke. It was speculated that this could have been what happened to Karen Silkwood. Does anyone remember what thread this appeared in? In fact, it was I who posted that on Silkwood and DSMO. I don't know what became of the tread and find the 'search' function on the Forum nearly useless and so frustrating that I barely ever use it. A whole hell of a lot of people who had just found out something that would not please [to put it mildly] the powers that be suddenly got in their cars and careened off the road. They sometimes monkeywrench the car itself, but they also put strong drugs in DSMO like compounds on the steeringwheel. Few would think to wear rubber gloves in their car...and then like Moffet and Letelier they can also put a bomb in your car....the answer is to stop the madmen and their dirty tricksters before they stop the whole planet [nearly done!] *********************************************************** Thanks, Pete. I, too, tried to search for that thread and to no avail. It was also ironic that right around the time, or shortly after that thread was active, PBS aired a documentary about the umbrella dart, using a small projectile, even the size of a grain of rice, which could render a body dead or incapacitated, on contact. So, Prouty was spot on about that type of apparatus being in use, or at least available in the early 60's. Not as far-fetched from Ian Fleming's imagination as one would have thought back then. How insanely naive, we were! Yet, how insanely ignorant the majority of U.S. citizens are, still today, in this day and age. Frighteningly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Fecteau Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Now that I know of the left carotid artery sleeper method -- and that you have to stand in back of the victim to do it, I am more convinced than ever that Karyn Kupcinet was murdered by Intel -- CIA or the Mob. It justs hits the nail on the head. There were no marks on her except for decomp. But inside her throat, yes. Left side. And so many suspects. Her killer certainly got away with -- shall I say it? -- murder. Kupcinet adored his little girl and that was a way to get to him. Kathy, Why let Kup live? Can anyone predict how a man will react if his daughter is killed--surely, there would be a risk he would go public with his knowledge? There definitely was a Chicago angle to the Assassination. I think Waldron and Hartmann mention "Red" Dorfman in _Ultimate Sacrifice_, but does Kup turn up anywhere in their research or in others' work on the Chicago assassination attempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernice Moore Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 (edited) Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty: ""It was in my own office, in a part of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, in the Pentagon in 1960 that I first saw an early version of the weapon fired. On July 29, 1960 I flew to Fort Detrick, Maryland by helicopter from the Pentagon to see developments of this and other new weapons at that top secret installation. I am able *from personal and official experience* to support the Sprague- Cutler thesis that an umbrella weapon was used as part of the JFK murder plot. The inventor of the flechette rocket was shown into my office by a fellow staff member, and I was told that he had something he wanted to demonstrate to the military to see if it could be developed into some useful tactical weapon system. In his hand he held several small plastic tubes which looked to me like soda straws, about "thick malt shake" size. Then he showed me a small plastic, nylon perhaps, rocket. It was a perfectly shaped, miniature rocket, complete with tail fins. Inside was a tiny charge of propellant. Then, without further introduction, the inventor touched a button, and two tiny flechettes zipped out of the "straws" and slammed into the thick soundproofing of the wall across the office. Only their tail fins stuck out from the wall, and the inventor said that it was a good thing he had only a partial charge in them, because they could easily have gone right through a normal wall panel and acoustic board. This early, unengineered weapon was shaped something like a pistol with a flashlight-size chamber above the grip. The inventor contemplated using about twenty-five or thirty "straws" mounted together and fired all at once or in clusters. This would give a buckshot impact and more effective target coverage. I was impressed. I called my boss' office and introduced the inventor. Again we went through the demonstration. It was not long before the weapon system was under top secret control and was being worked on by some of the military specialists at Fort Detrick. I heard about the development of the weapon many times later, but I did not see it again until it was exhibited at the Church Committee hearings. Shortly after that, when I saw Cutler's first "Umbrella Man" book (The Umbrella Man: Evidence of Conspiracy), published in October 1975 and describing an "air-rifle" type umbrella weapon, I wrote to him to explain that I thought it much more likely that The Umbrella Man had used the rocket flechette I had seen demonstrated. It remained for Senseney's Church Committee testimony to close the circle when he stated that he had developed just such an umbrella weapon at the same place I had gone with the earlier weapon---Fort Detrick. The rest of this remarkable story is developed by Sprague and Cutler. As you read this article, consider this: It is against Secret Service directives for anyone to be permitted along the route of the President carrying something as conspicuous a weapon concealer as an umbrella. Furthermore, it is abnormal for anyone standing close to the President to open an umbrella in sunlight, raise it, lower it, and maneuver it as this man did. Why was this permitted by the Secret Service? Who had the power to arrange that TUM not be apprehended with the umbrella weapon that day? Consider also that until the day of the JFK assassination in 1963, there was no place that anybody outside of the very small CIA and Special Forces group (perhaps as many as twenty people) could get access to that flechette-launching weapon system or anything like it. Someone had the power to ensure TUM's nonapprehension and access to the weapon. That person was the murderer. "" *************************** June 1978 : Gallery Magazine November 22, 1963, the day President Kennedy was slain, was bright and sunny in Dallas. Why, then, was there a young man with an open umbrella on Elm Street, less than 30 feet from the President's car as it slowly passed by? Presented below is an answer to this puzzle by a former consultant to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. THE UMBRELLA SYSTEM: PRELUDE TO AN ASSASSINATION by Richard E. Sprague and Robert Cutler INTRODUCTION: To the skeptic who refuses to accept the idea that the Central Intelligence Agency was involved in the assassination of John Kennedy, nothing could be more convincing than to demonstrate how one of the CIA's secret poison and weapon systems was used in the assassination. Such a claim would have been scoffed at by everyone, but the weapons system itself was made public by Mr. William Colby, CIA director; Mr. Richard Helms, former CIA director; and Mr. Charles Senseney, a contract weapons designer for the CIA in testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (the Church Committee) in September 1975. The system is based on launching devices of various types, used to launch a self-propelled, rocket-like dart, or flechette. The flechette can carry either a paralyzing or fatal poison. The flechette itself is very simple. It is about the same size and looks like the tip of a large chicken feather. It is plastic and has tiny tail fins. Many varieties were developed for different uses. The great advantage of this weapon is that it is recoilless, almost silent, and the flechette travels at a high velocity which increases after launch. The flechettes can be fired singly or in high-impact clusters. It is propelled to its target by a solid-state fuel, ignited electronically at the launcher. It strikes its target, animal or human, dissolves completely in the body leaving no observable trace, and totally paralyzes its victim within two seconds. The launching devices developed by Mr. Charles Senseney at Fort Detrick, Maryland for the CIA included a cane, a fountain pen, soda straws, and an umbrella. The umbrella was used to shoot President Kennedy. The flechette struck JFK in the throat, causing a small entrance wound, but leaving no other trace. The missile was about 5 millimeters in diameter, and the wound was 4 millimeters. The size of the wound as compared to the size of the flechette is consistent with other findings of this nature. This particular wound, officially called an exit wound by the Warren Commission, puzzled medical examiners and critics of the Warren Commission alike. The critics charged that had the throat wound been an exit wound, it could not have been so small. JFK was paralyzed by poison contained in the flechette in less than two seconds--so paralyzed that the first rifle bullet that hit him did not knock him down, but left him in a nearly upright position. A second volley of shots fired at JFK a few seconds later struck a stationary, visible target. The paralyzing flechette shot was fired by a man holding the umbrella launcher. He was in close proximity to an accomplice. Using a radio transmitter, the accomplice signaled the riflemen through each of their respective radiomen in the Dal Tex building, the western end of the Texas School Book Depository building, and on the grassy knoll. An exquisitely timed intelligence murder was performed. The paralytic poison allowed two volleys of rifle shots to be fired into JFK. He had become a sitting duck. In what follows, the basic evidence for this sophisticated murder technique and weapon system will be presented. Much of the evidence, in the form of photographs, has been under the noses of assassination researchers for many years. The testimony given by Colby, Helms, and Senseney opened the minds of a small group of researchers, who looked at the photographic, medical, and ballistics evidence in a new way. The coauthors of this article and researcher Christopher Sharrett have now been able to clearly show that JFK's assassination had to have been a carefully planned, well-executed intelligence operation, using CIA weapons and techniques. ___________________________________________________________________ | | | Analysis of JFK's Motions and the Shots: | | | | Numbers beginning with "Z" are frames of the Zapruder film. | | | | | | Crucial to an understanding of the shots and JFK's | | reactions to them is an understanding of President | | Kennedy's hand, head, and upper torso movements at the | | time he was hit by shots, and the motions of Governor | | Connally. Contrary to what most media organizations and | | some researchers state, JFK's hands did not raise to grasp | | at his throat. The Zapruder film shows quite clearly that | | just the opposite occurred. Photos #1 through 6, are | | frames 189, 190, 204, 224, 225, and 227 from the Zapruder | | film. The President's right hand can be seen making what | | appears at first to be a slight forward jerk between | | frames 189 and 190 (1/18 second) and then snapping | | downward from his forehead to a position well below his | | throat by frames Z224 and Z225. It also clenches into a | | fist. His head, during this two-second timespan, snaps | | into a nearly straight-ahead position, and his left hand | | raises and clenches into a fist somewhat below his right | | hand level. His right fist can be seen to be still moving | | downward between frames Z224 and Z225. | | The discontinuity between Z189 and Z190 added to the | | continuous downward, fist-clenching motion of his right | | hand from Z190 to Z225 has been taken by many researchers | | as evidence of a shot striking JFK at frame Z189. The | | theory of discontinuous motion caused by a transfer of | | momentum from an externally applied force is evident here. | | Any discontinuity in JFK's motions occurring in the 1/18 | | second between frames can be taken as evidence of momentum | | transfer from a projectile, rather than being caused by | | any internal neurological phenomenon, voluntary or | | involuntary. What actually occurs between Z189 and Z190 | | is a backward and upward motion of JFK's head. His right | | hand remains in a fixed position with respect to the side | | of the limousine. This indicates a shot from the front. | | A second such discontinuity occurs between frames Z225 | | and Z227 (2/18 second), during which time JFK's head and | | upper torso are driven forward and down into his clenched | | fists. The fists remain in a fixed position with respect | | to the side of the limousine. JFK's elbows are flung | | upward and outward by the force of a rifle bullet striking | | him in the back. This is the shot that caused the back | | wound 5 3/4 inches down from the top of his shirt and | | created holes in his jacket, his shirt, and his back. It | | did not exit at his throat. | | A similar analysis of momentum transfer from the rear | | causing a discontinuity in motion can be made for Governor | | Connally between frames Z237 and Z238 (photos #7 and 8). | | Finally, JFK's head motions between frames Z312, Z313, | | Z314, and Z321 (shown in photos 9 through 12) demonstrate | | two transfers of momentum--one from the rear, between Z312 | | and Z313, and another from the right front, between Z313 | | and Z314 and up to Z321. The latter bullet drove JFK's | | head and upper torso back and to his left, where he | | bounced off the rear seat into his wife's arms. | |_________________________________________________________________| BASIC QUESTIONS: Throughout the last fourteen years, a number of questions arising from the evidence obtained at Dealey Plaza have puzzled serious researchers. While these questions seem to be unrelated, all of them are answered in a very logical way by this new interpretation of the evidence. The questions concern President Kennedy's throat wound, the motions of his hands and head before the fatal shot struck, the timing of the shots, the absence of bullets, the presence of a man carrying an open umbrella, and the trajectory of an early shot from in front of JFK. Here are the questions: The Throat Wound and Trajectory of the Throat Shot: Assuming the throat wound in JFK to be an entry wound, why was it so small (4mm)? How could a rifle bullet leave such a small wound (about the size of a soda straw)? If a bullet did enter JFK's throat, where did it go? Why was no trace of a bullet found? The entry wound apparently was not at a downward angle. If a bullet *was* fired from the grassy knoll, hitting JFK in the throat at Z189 (frame 189 of the film shot by Abraham Zapruder), where could it have come from to enter at a *nearly horizontal* trajectory, while missing everything in its path, including the Stemmons Freeway sign, Abraham Zapruder, a small tree, the side of the limousine, Secret Service agent Kellerman, Governor Connally, and the limousine windshield? Where did the throat shot come from (see photo #13 [CAPTION READS: "TUM at lower left of Stemmons sign, The Accomplice farther left. (For actual photograph, see Warren Commission Hearing and Exhibits, Vol. XXI, P. 770.]) Why is there a *forward* motion of JFK's right hand between Z189 and Z190, if a shot hit him from the front at that time? Why didn't that bullet drive JFK violently backward (see photos #l and 2)? The Motions of JFK's Hands: Why did the President's hands clench into fists and drop below his throat as the result of a bullet striking him in the throat? Why did his head snap around to the front? These motions, which can be observed in photos #1 to 6, Zapruder frames 189, 190, 204, 224, 225, and 227, appear to be more like a stiffening action, taking a little less than two seconds, rather than the grasping at his throat described by many casual observers. JFK did not grasp at his throat at all. Why didn't the bullet fired at frame Z225, striking JFK in the back, knock him down on the seat? Why are JFK's fists still in the same position after the bullet hits, Z225 to Z227 (see photo #6, 2/18 second after photo #5)? The motions make it appear that JFK's head, torso, and fists were frozen in position at Z225. The bullet forced his head and upper torso down and forward into his fists. It flung his elbows outward as though they were pivoting around his fists and shoulders. Why? Why didn't JFK duck or turn or shout after he was hit at Z189? His mouth opened, but there is obviously no lip or mouth motion between Z224 and the time of the fatal shots. When Governor John Connally was hit, he screamed "like a stuck pig," said Jackie Kennedy, and rolled to the floor of the car. One bullet went completely through Connally, and he is alive today. If JFK had been able to fall to the floor after the first, nonlethal bullet hit him in the back, he might have lived, too. But he could not, because the flechette's poison had paralyzed him. The people who thought they heard JFK scream were imagining it. The Timing of the Shots: Some witnesses said they heard two volleys of shots separated by a few seconds. The photographic evidence coupled with other evidence shows there actually *were* two volleys of shots: The first volley was timed between Z189, when the throat shot hit, and Z237, when a shot hit Connally.[1] The back shot hit JFK at Z225. The shots in this volley occurred over forty-eight frames, or about two and a half seconds. If the Z189 shot is taken out, the other two shots were separated by only twelve frames, or about a half- second. The earliest overseas press reports, such as NZPA-AAP (New Zealand Press Association) datelined Dallas, said, "Three bursts of gunfire, apparently from automatic weapons, were heard." These earliest reports had not been tampered with. The second volley occurred at frames Z312 and Z313, nearly simultaneously. The shot that missed could have also been fired at about this same time (see photos #9 and 10). The questions are: Were there two volleys of shots, and if so, why? How could shots fired from three or four widely separated positions be timed so accurately? Keep in mind that the earliest reports said "automatic weapons." On-the-spot witnesses heard shots so closely timed that they reported them to be from automatic weapons. This takes precision firing under control. [1] The authors disagree on the timing of the Connally shot. Cutler believes it was fired at Z223, Sprague at Z237, a difference of less than a second. In either case, it was part of the first volley and was a separate shot from the JFK back shot at Z225. The Umbrella and The Umbrella Man (TUM): Questions have always been raised about TUM (The Umbrella Man) ever since Josiah Thompson and Richard Sprague discovered the open umbrella in a series of photographs. Photo #13, a picture taken by Phil Willis at Zapruder frame 202, shows TUM with open umbrella. Photos #4, 5, and 6 (frames 224, 225, and 227 of Zapruder's film) show the umbrella protruding from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. Photo #14 (by Richard Bothun) [CAPTION READS: TA and TUM seconds after shooting] shows TUM less than a minute after the shots, sitting on the edge of the grass near his original position, with another man seated next to him. The umbrella is lying on the sidewalk. Photos #15 and 16 (by Wilma Bond) [CAPTIONS READ: TA at left, casually walking down Elm Street. AND, TUM, folded umbrella in hand, to right of sign.] show TUM a minute later, standing near t he highway sign holding the umbrella. The temperature was a cool and breezy 68 degrees F. The sky was clear blue. No rain had fallen since early that morning. No natural reason seemed to exist for a fairly young man to be holding an open umbrella over his head while the President of the United States was passing by, ten to fifteen feet away (see diagram of relative positions of TUM and JFK). An examination of the thousands of photographs taken during the Presidential procession and in and around Dealey Plaza that day revealed not a single other open umbrella. Thompson and Sprague's speculations were that TUM was giving visual signals--first to go ahead (opening umbrella), then to fire a second round (raising umbrella). Afterward, the speculation went, he stayed around to see whether anyone had noticed anything about the actual shooters. A closer analysis of the Zapruder film shows that TUM actually raised and lowered the umbrella very rapidly--too rapidly to have been a good signal for riflemen as far away as the Dal Tex building and the grassy knoll (see photos #3, 4, 5, 6, 17 [CAPTION READS: TA's arm raised at right front of limousene (Z228)]). Why did he do this? Analysis also shows that TUM actually rotated the umbrella. This rotation appears in the original Zapruder film, including frames up to Z236 that show the umbrella in the space between the sprocket holes. Measurements of this rotation show that it tracks JFK's position during his travel down Elm Street at this time period. Why did TUM rotate the umbrella? If he were an observer, he would turn his head, not the umbrella. After the shooting, why did TUM sit down and then stand up, within a few feet of his position in front of the Stemmons Freeway sign, when everyone else in that vicinity ran or jumped away in the direction of the grassy knoll? Everyone, that is, except one man who sat down next to TUM. Who was he, and where was he when the shots were fired, and what was he doing with TUM? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | No natural reason seemed to exist for a fairly young | | man to be holding an open umbrella over his head | | while the President was passing by ten or fifteen | | feet away. | | | | Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty of the Defense Department | | witnessed a demonstration of the flechette-launching | | weapon system in his office in Washington, D.C. in 1960. | | Here is his description. | | | | | | It was in my own office, in a part of the Office of the | | Secretary of Defense, in the Pentagon in 1960 that I first | | saw an early version of the weapon fired. On July 29, | | 1960 I flew to Fort Detrick, Maryland by helicopter from | | the Pentagon to see developments of this and other new | | weapons at that top secret installation. I am able *from | | personal and official experience* to support the Sprague- | | Cutler thesis that an umbrella weapon was used as part of | | the JFK murder plot. | | The inventor of the flechette rocket was shown into my | | office by a fellow staff member, and I was told that he | | had something he wanted to demonstrate to the military to | | see if it could be developed into some useful tactical | | weapon system. In his hand he held several small plastic | | tubes which looked to me like soda straws, about "thick | | malt shake" size. Then he showed me a small plastic, | | nylon perhaps, rocket. It was a perfectly shaped, | | miniature rocket, complete with tail fins. Inside was a | | tiny charge of propellant. | | Then, without further introduction, the inventor | | touched a button, and two tiny flechettes zipped out of | | the "straws" and slammed into the thick soundproofing of | | the wall across the office. Only their tail fins stuck | | out from the wall, and the inventor said that it was a | | good thing he had only a partial charge in them, because | | they could easily have gone right through a normal wall | | panel and acoustic board. | | This early, unengineered weapon was shaped something | | like a pistol with a flashlight-size chamber above the | | grip. The inventor contemplated using about twenty-five | | or thirty "straws" mounted together and fired all at once | | or in clusters. This would give a buckshot impact and | | more effective target coverage. I was impressed. | | I called my boss' office and introduced the inventor. | | Again we went through the demonstration. It was not long | | before the weapon system was under top secret control and | | was being worked on by some of the military specialists at | | Fort Detrick. I heard about the development of the weapon | | many times later, but I did not see it again until it was | | exhibited at the Church Committee hearings. Shortly after | | that, when I saw Cutler's first "Umbrella Man" book ("The | | Umbrella Man: Evidence of Conspiracy"), published in | | October 1975 and describing an "air-rifle" type umbrella | | weapon, I wrote to him to explain that I thought it much | | more likely that The Umbrella Man had used the rocket | | flechette I had seen demonstrated. | | It remained for Senseney's Church Committee testimony | | to close the circle when he stated that he had developed | | just such an umbrella weapon at the same place I had gone | | with the earlier weapon---Fort Detrick. The rest of this | | remarkable story is developed by Sprague and Cutler. | | As you read this article, consider this: It is against | | Secret Service directives for anyone to be permitted along | | the route of the President carrying something as | | conspicuous a weapon concealer as an umbrella. | | Furthermore, it is abnormal for anyone standing close to | | the President to open an umbrella in sunlight, raise it, | | lower it, and maneuver it as this man did. Why was this | | permitted by the Secret Service? Who had the power to | | arrange that TUM not be apprehended with the umbrella | | weapon that day? | | Consider also that until the day of the JFK | | assassination in 1963, there was *no place* that *anybody* | | outside of the very small CIA and Special Forces group | | (perhaps as many as twenty people) could get access to | | that flechette-launching weapon system or anything like | | it. | | Someone had the power to ensure TUM's nonapprehension | | and access to the weapon. That Person was the murderer. | |__________________________________________________________________| THE WEAPON SYSTEM: The answers to all of these questions and the analysis of the evidence must begin historically with the development of the weapon system itself. There is no better way to describe it than to hear about it from ex-CIA directors William Colby and Richard Helms and weapon developer Charles Senseney. Here is their testimony before the Church Committee on September 16 to 18, 1975, as published in Volume One (1976) of that Committee's final report, under the title, "Unauthorized Storage of Toxic Agents." TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 1975. Testimony of William E. Colby, director of the Central Intelligence Agency. The Committee met at 10 A.M. in the Russell Building. Present: Senators Church, Tower, Mondale, Huddleston, Morgan, Hart of Colorado Baker, Goldwater, Mathias, and Schweiker. Also present: William G. Miller, staff director, Frederick A. 0. Schwarz, chief counsel, Curtis Smothers and Paul Michel, Committee staff members. Chairman Church: The particular case under examination today involves the illegal possession of deadly biological poisons which were retained within the CIA for five years after their destruction was ordered by the President. . . . The main questions before the Committee are why the poisons were developed in such quantities in the first place: why the Presidential order was disobeyed; and why such a serious act of insubordination could remain undetected for so many years. William Colby: The specific subject today concerns the CIA's involvement in the development of bacteriological warfare materials with the Army's Biological Laboratory at Fort Detrick, CIA's retention of an amount of shellfish toxin, and CIA's use and investigation of various chemicals and drugs. . . . Information provided by him [a CIA officer not directly associated with the project] and by two other officers aware of the project indicated that the project at Fort Detrick involved the development of bacteriological warfare agents--some lethal--and *associated delivery systems suitable for clandestine use* [emphasis added]. The CIA relationship with the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick was formally established in May 1952. The need for such capabilities was tied to earlier Office of Strategic Services World War II experience, which included the development of two different types of agent suicide pills to be used in the event of capture and a successful operation using biological warfare materials to incapacitate a Nazi leader temporarily. The primary Agency interest was in the development of dissemination devices to be used with standard chemicals off the shelf. Various dissemination devices such as a fountain pen dart launcher appeared to be peculiarly suited for clandestine use. . . . A large amount of Agency attention was given to the problem of incapacitating guard dogs. Though most of the dart launchers were developed for the Army, the Agency did request the development of a small, hand-held dart launcher for its peculiar needs for this purpose. Work was also done on temporary human incapacitation techniques. These related to a desire to incapacitate captives before they could render themselves incapable of talking, or terrorists before they could take retaliatory action. [Or to prevent guard dogs from barking.] One such operation involved the penetration of a facility abroad for intelligence collection. The compound was guarded by watchdogs which made entry difficult even when it was empty. Darts were delivered for the operation, but were not used. Church: Have you brought with you some of those devices which would have enabled the CIA to use this poison for killing people? Colby: We have indeed. Church: Does this pistol fire the dart? Colby: Yes it does, Mr. Chairman. The round thing at the top is obviously the sight; the rest of it is what is practically a normal .45, although it is a special. However, it works by electricity. There is a battery in the handle, and it fires a small dart. [self-propelled, like a rocket.] Church: So that when it fires, it fires silently? Colby: Almost silently; yes. Church: What range does it have? Colby: One hundred meters, I believe; about 100 yards, 100 meters. Church: About 100 meters range? Colby: Yes. Church: And the dart itself, when it strikes the target, does the target know that he has been hit and [is] about to die? Colby: That depends, Mr. Chairman, on the particular dart used. There are different kinds of these flechettes that were used in various weapons systems, and a special one was developed which potentially would be able to enter the target without perception. Church: Is it not true, too, that the effort not only involved designing a gun that could strike at a human target without knowledge of the person who had been struck, but also the toxin itself would not appear in the autopsy? Colby: Well there was an attempt-- Church: Or the dart? Colby: Yes; so there was no way of perceiving that the target was hit. WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 1975. Richard Helms' testimony: Huddleston: Mr. Helms, you said you were surprised, or that you had never seen the dart gun that was displayed here yesterday. Would you be surprised or shocked to learn that that gun, or one like it, had been used by agents against either watchdogs or human beings? Helms: I would be surprised if it had been used against human beings, but I'm not surprised it would have been used against watchdogs. I believe there were various experiments conducted in an effort to find out how one could either tranquilize or kill guard dogs in foreign countries. That does not surprise me at all. Huddleston: Do you know whether or not it was used, in fact, against watchdogs? Helms: I believe there were experiments conducted against dogs. Whether it was ever used in a live operational situation against dogs, I do not recall. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 1975. Testimony of Charles A. Senseney: Senseney: I worked in the Biological Warfare Section of Fort Detrick from 1953. . . . I was the project engineer of the M-1 dart launcher and following on microorganism projectiles and so forth. Smothers: Is this a device that looks roughly like a .45 caliber pistol with a sight mount at the top? Senseney: This was a follow-on. It was to replace the M-1 projectile to go into the Army stockpile. It did look like a .45. Smothers: Did the CIA have, Mr. Senseney, the wherewithal to utilize this dart launcher against humans? Senseney: No, they asked for a modification to use against a dog. Now, these were actually given to them, and they were actually expended, because we got all of the hardware back. For a dog, the projectile had to be made many times bigger. It was almost the size of a .22 cartridge, but it carried a chemical compound known as 46-40. Smothers: And their interest was in dog incapacitation? Senseney: Right Baker: Your principle job with the DOD, I take it, was to develop new or exotic devices and weapons: is that correct? Senseney: I was a project engineer for the E-1, which was type classified and became the M-1. They were done for the Army. Baker: Did you have any other customers? Senseney: To my knowledge, our only customer was Special Forces and the CIA, I guess. Baker: Special Forces meaning Special Forces of the Army? Senseney: That is correct. Baker: And the FBI? Senseney: The FBI never used anything. Baker: Looking at your previous executive session testimony, apparently you developed for them a fountain pen. What did the fountain pen do? Senseney: The fountain pen was a variation of an M-1. An M-1 in itself was a system, and it could be fired *from anything* [emphasis added]. It could be put into-- Baker: Could it fire a dart or an aerosol or what? Senseney: It was a dart. Baker: It fired a dart . . . a starter, were you talking about a fluorescent light starter? Senseney: That is correct. Baker: What did it do? Senseney: It put out an aerosol in the room when you put the switch on. Baker: What about a cane, a walking cane? Senseney: Yes, an M-1 projectile could be fired from a cane; also an umbrella. Baker: Also an umbrella. What about a straight pin? Senseney: Straight pin? Baker: Yes, sir. Senseney: We made a straight pin, out at the Branch. I did not make it, but I know it was made, and it was used by one Mr. Powers on his U-2 mission. Huddleston: Were there frequent transfers of material between Dr. Gordon's [a researcher at Fort Detrick] office and your office, either the hardware or the toxin? Senseney: The only frequent thing that changed hands was the dog projectile and its loaders 46-40. This was done maybe five or six in one quantity. And maybe six weeks to six months later, they would bring those back and ask for five or six more. They would bring them back expended, that is, they bring all of the hardware except the projectile, okay? Huddleston: Indicating that they have been used? Senseney: Correct. Huddleston: But it could have been used on a human being? Senseney: There is no reason why it could not, I guess. Schweiker: Mr. Senseney, I would like to read into the record [from a CIA document] at this point a quote from paragraph nine [exhibit 6, document 67]: "When funds permit, adaptation and testing will be conducted of a new, highly effective disseminating system which has been demonstrated to be capable of introducing materials through light clothing, subcutaneously, intramuscularly, and silently, without pain." Now, I just have a little trouble, Mr. Senseney, reconciling your answers in conjunction with this project, when the CIA document makes clear that one of the very specific purposes of the funding and the operation was to find a weapon that could penetrate light clothing subcutaneously, which obviously means through the skin, and intramuscularly, which obviously means through the muscles of a person. And are you saying that you have absolutely no recollection at all that tests or programs were designed to use any of these devices to permeate clothing on people and not dogs? Senseney: We put them on mannequins. Schweiker: What's that? Senseney: We put clothing on mannequins to see whether we could penetrate it. These were the requirements. You almost read the exact requirements that the SDR quoted from the Special Forces there. Schweiker: I would not expect you to test them on live human beings. I would hope that you did use mannequins, Mr. Senseney. Wouldn't that be directed toward people-usage, though? That is the point we're trying to establish. Senseney: That is what the Special Forces direction was. You have to look at it this way. The Army program wanted this device. That is the only thing that was delivered to them. It was a spin-off, of course, from the M-1. The M- 1 was a lethal weapon, meant to kill a person, for the Army. It was to be used in Vietnam. It never got there, because we were not fast enough getting it into the logistics system. Schweiker: What was the most-utilized device of the ones with which you worked and supervised? Senseney: The only thing I know that was really used was the dog projectile. The other things were in the stockpiles. I don't think anyone ever requested them. Schweiker: How do you know for certain it was for dogs? Senseney: Well that is what they asked us to test them against. They wanted to see whether they could put a dog to sleep, and whether sometime later the dog would come back and be on its own and look normal. Schweiker: Of the devices that came through you, which of these were utilized in any capacity other than for testing? Senseney: That was the only one that I know of--the dog projectile. I call it a dog projectile. We were developing it because the scenario read that they wanted to be able to make entrance into an area which was patrolled by dogs, leave, the dog come back, and then no one would ever know they were in the area. So that was the reason for the dog projectile. Church: Thank you Senator Schweiker. I think it is clear that the CIA was interested in the development of a delivery system that could reach human beings, since not many dogs wear clothing. And you would agree with that, wouldn't you? Senseney: Yes. Church: Okay. Schwarz: Along the same line, I assume you must agree that spending money in order to make darts of such a character that they cannot be detected in an autopsy does not have much to do with dogs? Senseney: No, that would not have anything to do with dogs. SUMMARY OF TESTIMONY: In 1960, the CIA purchased from the Army at Fort Detrick, Maryland a poison-dart weapon system, consisting of small flechette-type projectiles, self-propelled by solid-state rocket fuel, and launched by a series of devices, including umbrellas. The flechettes were about 5mm in diameter and about an inch long. The poisons carried were of two types. One was a lethal poison, apparently used against enemies in Vietnam. The other was a quick-acting, paralyzing poison that took effect in less than two seconds and lasted for several hours. This was intended for use against dogs guarding a secured enemy area. It had to cause paralysis fast enough to prevent the dog from barking. The flechette completely dissolved in the body, leaving no trace, so that enemy agents would not be suspicious. The dogs recovered after several hours and behaved as though nothing had happened. The launching devices did not have to be very accurately aimed and fired, because the weapon was designed for close range. The flechette could hit any part of the body of a dog or human and still cause complete paralysis. The solid-state fuel was ignited by completing an electrical circuit. The umbrella used a battery-powered circuit. The battery and trigger button were located in the handle of the umbrella. Wires running up the shaft connected the button and battery to the igniter, which was mounted on the shaft. The trigger button activated the igniter, firing the solid propellant, which sent the flechette through the rocket launcher--a straw-sized metal tube--to its target. WHAT HAPPENED IN DEALEY PLAZA? Here is the way the assassination team used the weapon system to kill JFK. The Umbrella: TUM took aim by sighting along the launcher and tracking JFK as he moved down Elm Street. He continued to track JFK after firing the flechette at Z189. He quickly raised and lowered the umbrella after firing. This motion may have been caused by operating a reloading mechanism in the umbrella to put a second flechette into the firing position. It could also have been a signal to a radioman accomplice to transmit a beep, calling for a second volley of shots (see next section). The flechette struck JFK in the throat at Z189, entering above his collar, creating a 4mm entry wound and causing immediate paralysis. The trajectory can be seen from photo #13 to have cleared the edge of the limousine. The flechette was traveling at an angle from the right front of the limousine, and it missed the other occupants of the car. The paralysis took place in about one and a half seconds, from Z189 to Z216. By Z224 (see photo #4), JFK's arms, fists, head, and shoulders had been in a paralyzed state for a half-second. The flechette made no noise when launched, so that no one heard a shot at the time of Z189. The flechette's momentum was small because it was extremely lightweight. As a result, only a small transfer of momentum occurred, driving JFK's head only slightly upward and backward. This can be detected by a careful comparison of photos #1 and 2, Z189 and Z190. JFK's right hand can be seen to remain in a fixed position between these two frames (1/18 second) with respect to the side of the car. His head moves up and back in comparison to his hand or the car. The Rifle Shots: The first rifle shot was fired from the second floor of the Dal Tex building. It struck JFK in the back, five and three-quarters inches below his shirt-collar line, at frame Z225. Since JFK's muscles were paralyzed, he was like a rigid, sitting duck target. His head and upper torso were driven down and forward, and his elbows were flung upward and outward, because no muscles would stop a rotating elbow and arm motion pivoting around two frozen points- -his fists and his shoulders. (Observe all of these points between photos #5 and 6, Z225 and Z227--2/18 seconds apart.) If JFK had been in a nonparalyzed state, the back shot would have knocked him much farther forward and down. The flechette dissolved in JFK's body, leaving no trace, except for the small entrance wound in his neck. The poison would not have shown up in the autopsy, even if tests for it had been made. However, because there was no apparent reason to suspect poison, no tests for it were made. The Timing of the Shots and The Accomplice: After Jim Hicks made his statement to Jim Garrison's investigators in 1968 about being a radio coordinator for the firing team, researchers were convinced that radio communications were used between radiomen located near each of the riflemen and some central coordinating transmitter. Hicks appears at the center of the plaza on the south side of Elm Street, near Houston Street. In the Zapruder film, he is seen during the shooting with both hands showing, no radio transmitter visible, and no other indication that he is doing anything but observing at the time of the shots (photos #1, 2, and 3). Hicks' real role was as the radio system supplier and tester. Later Hicks shows up with the radio in his back pocket, walking down Elm Street (see photo #18, taken by Willis [CAPTION READS: Hicks in light jacket with radio in back pocket (Same as #13 above)]). In 1977, Cutler, Sprague, and Sharrett discovered the real radio coordinator in a series of photos. In photo #13 he appears with raised hand, standing to the left of the Stemmons Freeway sign, on the north curb of Elm Street. He is about twenty feet away from TUM. Because his identity is unknown, he will be called TA (The Accomplice) in this article. His raised hand appears in photos #4, 5, and 6. Early observations of his hand concluded he was waving at the President. Closer analysis shows he was not waving. His hand remains raised and motionless, except for a slight clenching. TA can be seen sitting next to TUM in photo #14 and walking away down Elm Street in photos #15 and 16. The radio can be seen in photo #19, taken by Jim Towner [CAPTION READS: TA, radio in back pocket, heading down Elm Street.], in TA's belt at the back, and also in photos #14 and 15. TA undoubtedly was using a button-type beeper transmission technique for signaling all radiomen to have the riflemen shoot in volleys. The button was in his raised hand. A wire connection to the battery-powered transmitter was mounted on his belt at the back. The first beep was transmitted as soon as TUM launched the flechette. The second beep was transmitted a second or two ahead of Z312. The first signal triggered rifle shots from the shooter in the Dal Tex building and the shooter on the west end of the sixth floor of the TSBD (Texas School Book Depository). The man on the knoll did not have a clear shot at that time and did not fire. The Dal Tex shot hit JFK in the back at Z225, and the TSBD shot hit Connally at Z237. Three shots were fired in the second volley--by the Dal Tex rifleman, whose bullet narrowly missed JFK and hit the south curb of Main Street; by the TSBD rifleman, whose shot struck JFK in the head at Z312; and the man behind the fence on the grassy knoll, who now had a clear path and fired the fatal shot. His bullet struck JFK in the right temple and exploded at Z313. The fourth rifleman was positioned right by the octagonal structure at the west end of the semi-circular wall on the grassy knoll north. He did not shoot, because the Stemmons Freeway sign and a tree were in his way. He had a clear shot after the limousine had passed the sign, but by then JFK was dead. He would have fired had the others missed their target. TA and TUM got together, for about two minutes, immediately after the shots, probably to discuss the results and to observe any police or Secret Service activity in the area (see photo #14). Then they went in separate directions, up and down Elm Street (see photos #15 and 16). ___________________________________________________________________ | | | ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS: | | The questions plaguing researchers can now be answered. | | | | | | * The President's small throat wound was caused by a | | small flechette. | | | | * The flechette dissolved, leaving no trace, | | explaining why no bullet was found. | | | | * No bullet was fired from the grassy knoll at the | | time of the first hit. TUM had a clear shot at Z189. | | | | * TUM's flechette was actually moving in a slightly | | upward trajectory, explaining the backward and upward | | motion of JFK's head between Z189 and Z190. | | | | * The flechette's small momentum explains why there | | was no violent backward motion. | | | | * JFK's fists clenched and his head snapped to face | | forward while his right hand snapped downward because | | his muscles were paralyzed quickly by the poison. | | | | * The bullet at Z225 didn't knock JFK down, because | | he was paralyzed. | | | | * The paralysis affected the muscles, fixing them in | | position and preventing those portions of JFK's upper | | body from moving when he was hit in the back. His | | elbows were not fixed and were flung outward. | | | | * JFK did not make a sound, because his vocal cords | | were paralyzed (see testimony). | | | | * There were definitely two separate volleys of | | shots. Each of the four gunmen were prepared to | | shoot twice upon radio coordinating commands. One | | knoll gunman could not fire the first volley, because | | of obstructions. The other did not fire at all. | | | | * All the questions about TUM and the umbrella are | | answered by knowing he was using an intelligence | | weapon system with umbrella launcher and flechette | | dart. | | | | * Raising and lowering the umbrella was a signal to | | TA for a radio beep to order a second volley. | | | | * The umbrella rotated because TUM was tracking JFK. | | | | * TUM and TA sat down together to assess what | | happened. | | | | * TA was the radio coordinator and was standing | | behind TUM, where he could see TUM's signal and | | transmit a beep to the radiomen, ordering the first | | volley. | |_________________________________________________________________| CONCLUSIONS: What conclusions can be drawn from this analysis? FIRST: Some higher-level individuals within the CIA furnished one of their secret weapons systems to be used in the assassination. It is doubtful that more than a very few umbrella launchers were made for the CIA at Fort Detrick. This may have been the principal reason for the CIA cover-up that began on November 22, 1963. SECOND: The degree of sophistication in such a complex intelligence murder--including the planning for the paralysis, the radio coordination, the firing positions creating a cross fire in two volleys, gaining access to the buildings, setting up a patsy (Oswald), and all of the other techniques used-- indicate that lower-level anti-Castro Cubans, or even Mafia members, could not have pulled it off without CIA guidance and supervision. Skill and intelligence training, plus detailed management, were required from the only organization capable of running such an operation. THIRD: The Select Committee on Assassinations and the Senate Intelligence Committee have a lot more interrogating to do. They must question the people who designed the weapon system and those who made it available to the assassination team. Richard E. Sprague is currently a consultant to the Battelle Institute, a think tank in Columbus, Ohio, and was formerly a consultant to the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He has written numerous books and articles, including the self-published "The Taking of America 1-2-3." Robert Cutler is an architect and a assassination researcher. He has self-published five books on the Kennedy assassination, the latest of which is "Seventy-six Seconds in Dealey Plaza." **************************** Below Senator Church and Senator Towner..... with a flechette firing weapon.. The Church Committee ""referrs to the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, a U.S. Senate committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (D-ID) in 1975."" Bill Number: SB 578 http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/01-02/bill/sen/...9_enrolled.html CABO Weapons List http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:zZ00Gw...ct=clnk&cd= B... Edited March 27, 2007 by Bernice Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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