Was A Mexico City KGB Operations Officer Eusebio Azcue's "Blond, Very Thin-Faced" Oswald"?

[Thomas Graves]

4 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Huh?

--  Tommy

I thought we were talking about JFK assassination.

On which MFF "document page" can I find what you're talking about?  "Document page" 18. "document page" 37, ................. where?

bumped

[Thomas Graves]

You believe Nosenko, I don't.  Okay?

[Thomas Graves]

On 3/17/2017 at 11:53 AM, Thomas Graves said:

 

Was Nikolai Leonov photographed near the Soviet Embassy at 12:05 pm, just eleven minutes before the famous "Mexico City Mystery Man" was captured on film by a different CIA camera?

 

The man below was photographed at 12:05 pm on Wednesday, October 2, 1963, near the Mexico City Soviet Embassy. (This was one day after someone calling himself "Lee Oswald, O-S-W-A-L-D" phoned the Soviet Embassy, and the Russian Embassy employee on the other end of the line suggested, when prompted by "Oswald," that the Embassy official "Oswald" had met with a few days earlier was "Kostikov".  I believe this guy is KGB officer Nikolai Leonov.  (Leonov became a KGB Lt.General, is now a member of the Russian Parliament, and is a big supporter of Vladimir Putin.)

 

 

On the left:  The same man photographed on the same day in the same place by the same LILYRIC camera.  On the right: Nikolai Leonov interpreting for Fidel Castro in Moscow. 

The Wikipedia article on Leonov:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Leonov

Edit:  Look at that weak chin in all the photos, above.

Please note the very thin face in the photo of Leonov interpreting for Castro, above, and in another photo of him, below, and please remember that Eusebio Azcue said that the Blond Oswald he'd dealt with had "a very thin face".

bumped to try to get this thread back on track

Edited April 29, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

13 minutes ago, Thomas Graves said:

Which MFF "document page" can I find what you're talking about on?  "Document page" 18. "document page" 37, ................. where?

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462#relPageId=83&tab=page

...which is the next page (4) after the one you originally linked above (3)?

[Paul Brancato]

Thomas - do me a large favor and weigh in in what conclusions you draw from your identification of Leonev as a possible Oswald impersonator in MC who was close to Castro and Khrushchev. 

[Thomas Graves]

On 4/28/2017 at 5:36 PM, Chris Newton said:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462#relPageId=83&tab=page

...which is the next page (4) after the one you originally linked above (3)?

I've "had it," Chris.

Got a headache now.

Adios.

--  Tommy

PS  It doesn't really matter.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate, and probably a different "world view".

I believe Golitsyn, you believe Nosenko.

Look at recent events.  Do you not believe that Cozy Bear, Fancy Bear, and Guccifer 2.0 "hacked" our elections so that mobbed-up KGB Boy Putin's "useful idiot" Trump might be elected?  What about Putin's "secret" hybrid-war invasion of eastern Ukraine which started three years ago?  Putin's recent "hacking" attempts of the French elections, the Danish military, etc?

ADIOS

Edited April 30, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

2 hours ago, Chris Newton said:

Yea I've looked at the Golitsyn/Nosenko feud several times. I lean toward believing Golitsyn.

Tommy, I don't know what gave you that impression. I'm on your side with this one.

[Thomas Graves]

59 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

Tommy, I don't know what gave you that impression. I'm on your side with this one.

My bad then.

--  Tommy

 

[Thomas Graves]

On 4/28/2017 at 5:33 AM, Thomas Graves said:

 

At the top of "document page" 83 is the most interesting sentence of all in the three-page Church Committee document I've been talking about.

 

"Angleton again mentioned the double agent (Oswald?  Who? -- Tommy Graves wants to know!) to Mexico -- in complex with Leanovov (phonetic)."

(Which conjures up in my mind Leonov's 1993 statement to National Enquirer magazine that Oswald showed up at the Soviet Embassy unannounced, anxious, and with his revolver, on Sunday, September 29, and met inside the embassy with only him, i.e., KGB officer Nikolai Leonov, the guy who had turned young Raul Castro onto Communism in 1953 and 1955.

 

The very next sentence is interesting, too.

"Angleton then mentioned the threat by Castro against the President."

 

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462#relPageId=82&tab=page

 

--  Tommy

 

Back to square one.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

1 hour ago, Thomas Graves said:

Back to square one.

Tommy

On page two of the document you cited there's a dangling "a"  at the end of the third paragraph and then I, I assume a space representing a redaction. Afterwards, Angleton jumps to Oswald. Is that redaction the first mention of the double agent?

(I know YOU don't know what the redaction says but is there another entry for the double agent that I missed?)

Edited April 29, 2017 by Chris Newton

[Thomas Graves]

On 4/28/2017 at 10:00 PM, Chris Newton said:

Tommy

On page two of the document you cited there's a dangling "a"  at the end of the third paragraph and then I, I assume a space representing a redaction. Afterwards, Angleton jumps to Oswald. Is that redaction the first mention of the double agent?

(I know YOU don't know what the redaction says but is there another entry for the double agent that I missed?)

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The three bits in the memo that refer to Nikolai Leonov:

1 )  "Angleton told us that the man sent to Cuba as the Russian Ambassador -- Alexiev (phonetic) -- was a KGB escort officer for Raoul Castro.  This led Angleton into a discussion of two photographs, the first being a photo found by the Mexican police, of Leninoff (phonetic), a Mexican KGB agent with Castro, and the second, a   [ .......... one .......... long .......... continuous ......... uhhh ....... blank, ....... like it was redacted or something  ........] "               

2 )  Angleton again mentioned the double agent to Mexico -- in complex with Leanovov (phonetic).  

3 )  Angleton then mentioned the threat by Castro against the President.Angleton reiterated what he believes to be a Cuban connection with Oswald.  He noted again the name of Leninov (phonetic) and two photos of Castro with Leninov, including a photo of Castro being arrested [in Mexico City in 1956]. 

 

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1462#relPageId=80&tab=page

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FWIW, The words "double agent" occur only one time in the whole 157-page MFF "document".  I have enlarged it in the quoted sentence, above.

 

My thoughts:

1 )  "Leninoff (phonetic)" and "Leanovov (phonetic)"  =  Nikolai Leonov, a Mexico City-based KGB officer whose diplomatic cover was that of Third Secretary at the Soviet Embassy.

2 )  "double agent" = Angleton's unflattering description of Oswald, based on what "the major defector" Anatloiy Golitsyn had caused JJA to believe about LHO.

3 )  "to Mexico" = Oswald, or someone impersonating him, "went to" Mexico City

4 )  "complex" = the Mexico City Soviet Embassy.  My belief is based on the fact that Leonov told the National Enquirer in 1996 *EDIT: 1993* that he had met with Oswald inside the Soviet Embassy on Sunday, September 29, 1963.

 

--  Tommy

Edited May 1, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

7 hours ago, Thomas Graves said:

My belief is based on the fact that Leonov told the National Enquirer in 1996 that he had met with Oswald inside the Soviet Embassy on Sunday, September 29, 1963.

Tommy,

This is the article you cite? btw the date is "Nov. 23, 93" penciled by Harold near the  bottom left corner.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/P Disk/Passport to Assassination/Item 01.pdf

[Thomas Graves]

12 hours ago, Chris Newton said:

Tommy,

This is the article you cite? btw the date is "Nov. 23, 93" penciled by Harold near the  bottom left corner.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/P Disk/Passport to Assassination/Item 01.pdf

Komarad

Da!

--  Tommy

PS --

Getting back to the Angleton interview, if JJA used the phrase "double agent" to describe LHO, then doesn't it suggest he thought Oswald was an intelligence agent of some government who had been "turned" by an intelligence agency of a different government?

Edited April 30, 2017 by Thomas Graves

[Chris Newton]

How does this meeting and Angleton's explanations "jive" with Newman's hypothesis in "Oswald and the CIA"?
 

Quote

 

“The person who designed this plot had to have access to all of the information on Oswald at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had to have the authority to alter how information on Oswald was kept at CIA HQS. The person who designed this plot had to have access to project TUMBLEWEED, the sensitive joint agency operation against the KGB assassin, Valery Kostikov. The person who designed this plot had the authority to instigate a counterintelligence operation in the Cuban affairs staff (SAS) at CIA HQS. In my view, there is only one person whose hands fit into these gloves: James Jesus Angleton, Chief of CIA's Counterintelligence Staff.”

Excerpt From: John Newman. “Oswald and the CIA: The Documented Truth About the Unknown Relationship Between the U.S. Government and the Alleged Killer of JFK.”

 

 

[Thomas Graves]

1 minute ago, Chris Newton said:

How does this meeting and Angleton's explanations "jive" with Newman's hypothesis in "Oswald and the CIA"?
 

 

Chris,

Didn't get past the first sentence.

Enough of the Socratic Method.

You tell me.

--  Tommy