Was Oswald an Intelligence Agent?

[Paul Brancato]

Mr. Graves - you are encouraging him...

Jon, and the rest of us:

The parable of the blind men and the elephant applies to understanding Oswald,especially if, like Jon, you ask, from your perspective as a former intelligence 'agent', whether Oswald was one also. It's especially hard to accept how little we may know when the subject at hand is one we think we do know.

Paul - you have to answer Harry Dean.

[David Josephs]

David Josephs,

Many thanks for your response.

You write:

"Again, I don't know that the question is what did he do that he didn't want to, but what actions did he take which were arranged for him to take and why."

You assume Oswald (Marina's husband) took actions that some third party arranged for him to take. Perhaps handing out leaflets in New Orleans. Or going to the Soviet Union. Maybe, I don't know, going to Mexico City.

As a former C.I. officer, I ask, who directed him to take such actions? And why did he take such actions?

Jon (and anyone willing to see the conspiracy for what it was)

Lee Harvey Oswald was NEVER in Mexico City.

Lee Harvey Oswald visited Sylvia Odio on Sept 27th and remained in the Dallas area until the 4th of October.

Someone - either Harvey or someone impersonating him - was at the SportsDrome leaving the impression that Lee Oswald was using an Italian scoped rifle firing 6.5mm rounds - and making sure that he would be remembered.

Lee Harvey Oswald was with his family at the Paines when a Lee Oswald was at the SportsDrome leaving a self-incriminating impression

Lee Harvey Oswald was at his rooming house the weekend before the assassination when a Lee Oswald was leaving a self-incriminating impression at the SportsDrome

Ms. Lorenz claims the she, Sturgis, Oswald and others traveled from Florida to Dallas arriving that weekend.

On Friday, November 15^th a number of interesting events occur. This becomes the one and only weekend between the time Oswald starts work at the TSBD and the assassination where Oswald does not travel home with Wesley Buell Frasier. It is also on this day that the story of Marita Lorenz places her in a caravan with Frank Sturgis, Lee Oswald and other Cubans

This is also the date, according to testimony by Maria Lorenz, [Castro’s ex-mistress who has now become involved with Frank Sturgis ], that she rides to Dallas from Miami in a two-car caravan with Bosch, Sturgis, Diaz Lanz, Gerry Hemming, the “Novo brothers” (possibly Ignacio and Guillermo Novo of the Cuban Nationalist Movement), and Lee Harvey Oswald. There are several rifles and scopes in their Dallas motel rooms, and Jack Ruby comes by. Lorenz says she returns to Miami around November 19 or 20. (Ira Wood Chrono)

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I will end the discussion of Mexico here. Whether Lorenz's story is true is to be debated - the dates she claims and that someone known to those there as Lee Oswald is firing a scoped rifle that weekend cannot.

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One very strong possibility as to who directed these actions could be the man who would have answered the collect call to John Hurt which Oswald attempted to place.

His involvement at Reily Coffee and Bannister/Ferrie/Shaw/Martin etc... suggests that he may ahve been directed by them yet at the same time if he was instead working on behalf of the FBI to infultrate organizations such as these his orders would be coming from elsewhere to "do as they instruct you to and get as close as possible"

We are to please remember that after the Missle Crisis the US government cracked down on the very organizations it helped build to infultrate and kill Castro.

That was October 1962. By the summer of 1963 most of the splintered groups had been reigned in except for a select few operating under the radar and under CIA direct control...

The FBI would be the Level 1 attack dogs to find out who was still operating against the wishes of the President... Infultration and reporting was one of their main activities leading to the arrest and scattering to the wind of these operations. Yet Bannister, Ruby, Ferrie, Shaw, etc... are still operating, almost without concern for the ongoing crackdowns.

It seems to me that Killing Castro had risen to a point above Executive approval and was now a matter of not allowing the softy in the White House to dictate to us how to deal with Communism in our own backyard.

Maybe Oswald was set-up simply bacause he had stumbled upon one of the better "get Castro" organizations - Bannister's - and by default, the activities which appear as if he was WITH the pro-Castro forces serves to add to his incrimination of a Phase 1 plot. Since all concerned are aware that he is actually an FBI plant in their "get Castro" organziation he is put on the short list for those who could be easily framed for the murder of JFK, if and when it came to that.

Any heavily anti-Communist members of the Sponsor-Facilitator-Mechanic groups (and most were) viewed JFK in a very treasonous light - which would make for a perfect excuse to get the cooperation of the key individuals needed.

We talked about WHY he was killed and I replied that it mattered where in the food chain you were - yet the underlying theme was always his perceived treason. (25th amendment to the Constitution) While we both agree that the Sponsor level was more concerned with dollars... military, drug, commerce.

Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President

Since there are simply too many things we do not know and for which the evidence is long gone, I do not believe we can say who directed him... if they did this correctly, it's a name we've never heard or one so obvious that we simple cannot see it. Spending time on details like who direct Oswald still does not remove the trouble we have with non-assassination related work he performed that gets used to implicate him or control the investigation when it becomes necessary.

Isn't thorough contingency planning the hallmark of successful CI Jon? Creating scenarios which allow multiple uses and interpretations would have to be incorporated into our thinking of the planning of this crime.

It doesn't matter who ran him... it matters that he was run.

We will not know what his motivation was - we cannot possibly - we can guess... but to what end?

The same exact evils which were discovered by Church in '75 is what Snowden found today... only more grand, more sophisticated and more detrimental to humanity.

We have reached the point where we KNOW the Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex, with the aid of the Bankers and Lawyers they employ, have succeeded in creating US and THEM.

US are most happy when our favorite TV show is on, when the cops leave us alone, when the individual vices and enjoyments of life can be explored.

THEM are most happy when US are doing these things... and most disturbed when JFK, MLK, RFK and so many unnamed people think it their right and purpose to stop THEM from their divine right to use the Tragedy of the Commons and the hope for a better humanity against US.

Evil beats good... THEM beats US because they don't buy into the hope of humanity building a better world - they simply want, as Scarface puts it -

The WORLD and EVERYTHING in it.

Edited April 17, 2015 by David Josephs

[Jon G. Tidd]

David Josephs,

I agree with you that Marina's husband never went to Mexico City.

You are the best IMO on this point.

Thanks.

[Greg Parker]

Those who believe Marina's husband worked for some country's intelligence service do not look at Oswald as would a trained C.I. officer. Yes, as I've written, Oswald would have been interesting at first glance to [a] a collection officer (case officer), and a counter-intelligence officer. He would have appeared to have lots of potential.

A C.I. officer, who would have been trained in deception detection, likely would have found Oswald the real deal. He did not attempt to deceive. He was who he told others he was.

The others might have tried to make use of him. But he was a poor puppet. Unless one was prepared to tell lies about him post-assassination. Which neither the CIA nor the FBI seemed willing to do about Mexico City.

Say what Jon? Everything about Mexico City was a lie... Everything.

An asset of the CIA, Alvarado, even tells the story of Oswald taking money from Castro related agents to kill JFK.

Helms finally has to step in to downplay that mess... Phillips was part of the interrogation and "lie-detector" tests... When Oswald becomes the Lone Nut Alvarado and every other link to Castro disappears.

He was the perfect puppet Jon... I truly do not see how you would be privy to the workings of Jesus Angleton and Richard Helms in the late 50's early 60's.

If you were or can explain how you would know what the planning processes of Angleton were - by all means... (You may wish to read Wilderness of Mirrors http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Mirrors-Deception-Destroyed-Important/dp/1585748242 if you haven't already)

Oswald was not who he told others he was... not by a long shot... those that studied him believe English was his 2nd language... that he spoke Russian with a distinct accent from eastern Russia

"Those that studied him..." Translation: Armstrong and those whose study is confined to Armstrong's utterances.

The sane explanation is that he had Asperger's Syndrome which means he had the ability to learn Russian quickly and to mimic the accent of his teacher/s.

"You may wish to read Wilderness of Mirrors" You may also wish to read Harvey & Lee, Harold & Maude, Ethel the Aardvark Goes Quantity Surveying or the Pidgin English version of Hamlet. All of equal value in understanding Oswald and solving this case.

Edited April 17, 2015 by Greg Parker

[Greg Parker]

David Josephs,

Many thanks for your response.

You write:

"Again, I don't know that the question is what did he do that he didn't want to, but what actions did he take which were arranged for him to take and why."

You assume Oswald (Marina's husband) took actions that some third party arranged for him to take. Perhaps handing out leaflets in New Orleans. Or going to the Soviet Union. Maybe, I don't know, going to Mexico City.

As a former C.I. officer, I ask, who directed him to take such actions? And why did he take such actions?

Jon (and anyone willing to see the conspiracy for what it was)

Lee Harvey Oswald was NEVER in Mexico City.

Correct

Lee Harvey Oswald visited Sylvia Odio on Sept 27th and remained in the Dallas area until the 4th of October.

Incorrect. Lee Harvey Oswald went exactly where he told Ruth and Marina he was going - Houston.

Someone - either Harvey or someone impersonating him - was at the SportsDrome leaving the impression that Lee Oswald was using an Italian scoped rifle firing 6.5mm rounds - and making sure that he would be remembered.

Yet no physical evidence found. Sloppy conspirators, eh?

Lee Harvey Oswald was with his family at the Paines when a Lee Oswald was at the SportsDrome leaving a self-incriminating impression

And forgetting to leave any incriminating hard evidence.

Lee Harvey Oswald was at his rooming house the weekend before the assassination when a Lee Oswald was leaving a self-incriminating impression at the SportsDrome

Interesting. So where was Lee Harvey Oswald's rooming house?

Ms. Lorenz claims the she, Sturgis, Oswald and others traveled from Florida to Dallas arriving that weekend.

On Friday, November 15^th a number of interesting events occur. This becomes the one and only weekend between the time Oswald starts work at the TSBD and the assassination where Oswald does not travel home with Wesley Buell Frasier. It is also on this day that the story of Marita Lorenz places her in a caravan with Frank Sturgis, Lee Oswald and other Cubans

This is also the date, according to testimony by Maria Lorenz, [Castro’s ex-mistress who has now become involved with Frank Sturgis ], that she rides to Dallas from Miami in a two-car caravan with Bosch, Sturgis, Diaz Lanz, Gerry Hemming, the “Novo brothers” (possibly Ignacio and Guillermo Novo of the Cuban Nationalist Movement), and Lee Harvey Oswald. There are several rifles and scopes in their Dallas motel rooms, and Jack Ruby comes by. Lorenz says she returns to Miami around November 19 or 20. (Ira Wood Chrono)

.

I will end the discussion of Mexico here. Whether Lorenz's story is true is to be debated - the dates she claims and that someone known to those there as Lee Oswald is firing a scoped rifle that weekend cannot.

==================

One very strong possibility as to who directed these actions could be the man who would have answered the collect call to John Hurt which Oswald attempted to place.

His involvement at Reily Coffee and Bannister/Ferrie/Shaw/Martin etc... suggests that he may ahve been directed by them yet at the same time if he was instead working on behalf of the FBI to infultrate organizations such as these his orders would be coming from elsewhere to "do as they instruct you to and get as close as possible"

We are to please remember that after the Missle Crisis the US government cracked down on the very organizations it helped build to infultrate and kill Castro.

That was October 1962. By the summer of 1963 most of the splintered groups had been reigned in except for a select few operating under the radar and under CIA direct control...

The FBI would be the Level 1 attack dogs to find out who was still operating against the wishes of the President... Infultration and reporting was one of their main activities leading to the arrest and scattering to the wind of these operations. Yet Bannister, Ruby, Ferrie, Shaw, etc... are still operating, almost without concern for the ongoing crackdowns.

It seems to me that Killing Castro had risen to a point above Executive approval and was now a matter of not allowing the softy in the White House to dictate to us how to deal with Communism in our own backyard.

Maybe Oswald was set-up simply bacause he had stumbled upon one of the better "get Castro" organizations - Bannister's - and by default, the activities which appear as if he was WITH the pro-Castro forces serves to add to his incrimination of a Phase 1 plot. Since all concerned are aware that he is actually an FBI plant in their "get Castro" organziation he is put on the short list for those who could be easily framed for the murder of JFK, if and when it came to that.

Any heavily anti-Communist members of the Sponsor-Facilitator-Mechanic groups (and most were) viewed JFK in a very treasonous light - which would make for a perfect excuse to get the cooperation of the key individuals needed.

We talked about WHY he was killed and I replied that it mattered where in the food chain you were - yet the underlying theme was always his perceived treason. (25th amendment to the Constitution) While we both agree that the Sponsor level was more concerned with dollars... military, drug, commerce.

Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President

Since there are simply too many things we do not know and for which the evidence is long gone, I do not believe we can say who directed him... if they did this correctly, it's a name we've never heard or one so obvious that we simple cannot see it. Spending time on details like who direct Oswald still does not remove the trouble we have with non-assassination related work he performed that gets used to implicate him or control the investigation when it becomes necessary.

Isn't thorough contingency planning the hallmark of successful CI Jon? Creating scenarios which allow multiple uses and interpretations would have to be incorporated into our thinking of the planning of this crime.

It doesn't matter who ran him... it matters that he was run.

We will not know what his motivation was - we cannot possibly - we can guess... but to what end?

The same exact evils which were discovered by Church in '75 is what Snowden found today... only more grand, more sophisticated and more detrimental to humanity.

We have reached the point where we KNOW the Military, Industrial, Congressional Complex, with the aid of the Bankers and Lawyers they employ, have succeeded in creating US and THEM.

US are most happy when our favorite TV show is on, when the cops leave us alone, when the individual vices and enjoyments of life can be explored.

THEM are most happy when US are doing these things... and most disturbed when JFK, MLK, RFK and so many unnamed people think it their right and purpose to stop THEM from their divine right to use the Tragedy of the Commons and the hope for a better humanity against US.

Evil beats good... THEM beats US because they don't buy into the hope of humanity building a better world - they simply want, as Scarface puts it -

The WORLD and EVERYTHING in it.

Flailing in the wind. Done my share of it in the past. No more, though. I know the program that Oswald was in. It's not what anyone thinks.

[David Josephs]

I'm so glad to hear someone has the answers.

Set the world on fire.

[Greg Parker]

I'm so glad to hear someone has the answers.

Set the world on fire.

When it comes to zingers, you're right up there with Bill Shorten...

[Paul Trejo]

David Josephs,

I agree with you that Marina's husband never went to Mexico City.

You are the best IMO on this point.

Thanks.

Well, Jon, if even Greg agrees with the majority "Never in Mexico" contingent here, then I must ask about it.

I'll begin with you, Jon. In the face of the Lopez Report, what are your arguments to deny that OSWALD was in Mexico City?

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

[Mark Knight]

I would say that, since it wasn't adopted until 1967, the 25th Amendment didn't come into play, in a literal sense. BUT since the text of the section of the 25th Amendment quoted above was based upon a recommendation of the American Bar Association in 1960, the topic WAS in play between '60 and '65.

It just wasn't being considered as part of a 25th Amendment that didn't yet exist.

[Paul Trejo]

...Paul - you have to answer Harry Dean.

Well, Paul B., I'm guessing what you mean by this non-sequitur is that by considering CIA officers as possible suspects in the JFK murder that I must be abandoning my fealty to Harry Dean's claims about Ex-General Edwin Walker, Loran Hall and Larry Howard in Southern California in September 1963 boasting about Lee Harvey OSWALD and a possible JFK murder.

Well, I still accept Harry Dean's eye-witness account. (Just as Prouty's political views don't interest me, neither do Dean's political views. It's their eye-witness testimony that will go down in history, IMHO.)

In my view, Ex-General Edwin Walker planned to make OSWALD pay dearly for the April shooting, and he traced OSWALD for the entire year, starting on Easter Sunday. He didn't do this personally -- he had countless underlings working for him -- as free volunteers.

Guy Banister and his entire sheep dipping company (exposed by Garrison and Mellen) were really working for Edwin Walker, IMHO. John Rousselot, Gabby Gabaldon, Loran Hall, Larry Howard and Harry Dean were ultimately working for Edwin Walker, IMHO. Gerry Patrick Hemming, Interpen, DRE -- all were hoping to get some of Edwin Walker's promised millions from newspaper lawsuits. We have material evidence of this connection in Walker's personal papers.

It really was Loran Hall and Larry Howard who drove OSWALD to Mexico City, by way of Sylvia Odio's apartment. Gabby Gabaldon really was the guy in Mexico City who gave OSWALD $500 just for showing up (as Nagell cited). The essentials of Harry Dean's story remain intact, IMHO.

On the CIA side, I do believe that David Morales and Howard Hunt were involved -- basically on their "confessions." Frank Sturgis was close to them, but not a CIA officer. Frank was also close to Gerry Patrick Hemming and Interpen, which included Loran Hall, Larry Howard, William Seymour and more. It's my belief that David Morales was the ringleader of the CIA Rogues, and that he chose who cooperate through Guy Banister in NOLA, because he truly believed that this plot had the best chance. Morales knew about Ex-General Walker's leadership, IMHO, and he put his Rogue CIA Officer shoulder to the wheel.

Loran Hall really did have Gerry Patrick Hemming's rifle in Dallas on 11/22/1963, and the FBI got hold of it before the day was over. There was a conspiracy to murder JFK, and the FBI actually arrested some of the actual culprits -- but were forced by Hoover and LBJ to let everybody go except for the only plausible "Lone Shooter," Lee Harvey OSWALD -- who was the Patsy chosen by the Far Right.

Hoover fixed their wagons -- he transformed OSWALD from a bona fide FPCC Director into a "Lone Nut."

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited April 19, 2015 by Paul Trejo

[David Josephs]

David Josephs,

I agree with you that Marina's husband never went to Mexico City.

You are the best IMO on this point.

Thanks.

Well, Jon, if even Greg agrees with the majority "Never in Mexico" contingent here, then I must ask about it.

I'll begin with you, Jon. In the face of the Lopez Report, what are your arguments to deny that OSWALD was in Mexico City?

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Paul -

The Lopez Report started with the assumption that the WCR got it right in their assumption that Oswald was there - so they did not bother to investigate all the problems with the evidence getting him there and back...

This is why I focused on this travel evidence and come to find that it is a complete fraud.

Whoever Duran/Azcue sees on the 27th, they both deny it was the Oswald Ruby killed and that this person ever came back again.

and Paul, regarding Bannister's anti-Castro cell working for Walker - you'll need more than IMHO to get any traction there.

By the summer of 63 most of these groups were arrested or disbanded... They would need much more protection than Walker to continue to operate.

You need to get him to Mexico Paul... prove he was really there and address the workings of the FBI and a lawyer named OCHOA... and the evidence.

Been at it over 6 months - maybe take a minute and read the work at CTKA... give you a new POV on what the CIA did to the FBI related to Mexico City

and then what the FBI did to create the story.. or you can keep offering IMHO type conclusions....

[Guest Mark Valenti]

Here's an excerpt from my book "Lee Harvey Oswald: In his own Words*"

I thought it would be helpful for this discussion to show what the 'official' version claims re: LHO in MC.

EUSEBIO AZCUE – MEXICO CITY FORMER CUBAN CONSUL

LHO: I would like to request a visa to visit Cuba. I have been told I need certain documents for your consideration.

AZCUE: Yes, that is correct.

LHO: Will you examine the documents I have brought and tell me if they are sufficient to receive the visa? I have a membership card for the Communist Party, a membership card in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, another document proving that I have lived in the Soviet Union, and here is my marriage certificate stating that I am married to a Russian citizen.

AZCUE: I am sorry but these are not sufficient for me to grant you the visa you seek. You must request authorization from the Cuban government. You can begin by filling out that application. And you will need to bring photographs of yourself. We will require five photos.

LHO: I will go and get the photos and I will return.

LHO: (later) Here are my photos and I have filled out the application. I would like you to expedite my request.

AZCUE: Well, you see, this could be a matter of fifteen to twenty days, because this application must go to the proper authorities. If you already had a visa to go to the Soviet Union, I could grant you a visa to visit Cuba without having to call my Government for consultation.

LHO: This is nothing but bureaucracy!

AZCUE: I am sorry. You must speak to the Soviet Embassy first.

SEPT. 27: OLEG NECHIPORENK0/VALERY KOSTIKOV - SOVIET EMBASSY – MEXICO CITY

LHO: I wish to return to the USSR. I lived there for several years and now I want to go back. I am married to a Russian girl. We have a baby.

KOSTIKOV: Why do you want to return?

LHO: The FBI is harassing me.

KOSTIKOV: One moment. (calls Nechiporenko and asks him to come and speak to Oswald)

NECHIPORENKO : What can I do for you, sir?

LHO: I need a visa to return to the USSR.

NECHIPORENKO : Please, sit down and we will discuss it.

LHO: I have many documents to show you that I should be allowed to travel to Russia. I have been acting on behalf of Soviet causes in the United States, here are some newspaper clippings. It is my desire to travel to Cuba and then onto Russia for a permanent return.

NECHIPORENKO: In accordance with our rules, Mister Oswald, all matters dealing with travel to the USSR are handled by our Embassies or consulates in the country in which a person lives.

LHO: But I have traveled a long way to come here!

NECHIPORENKO: I could possibly make an exception and give you the necessary papers to fill out.

LHO: Yes, that would be fine.

NECHIPORENKO: Except that those papers must be sent to Moscow and then they will send an answer to your residence in the United States. This will take, at the very least, four months.

LHO: No! This won’t do for me! This is not my case! For me, it’s all going to end in tragedy!

NECHIPORENKO – Well, I am sorry but that is all I can do at the moment. Take your documents, please. (escorts Oswald out of the building)

SEPT. 27: SILVIA DURAN – CUBAN EMBASSY – MEXICO CITY

SD: You are back, sir.

LHO: The Russian Embassy has promised me a visa.

SD: Is that so?

LHO: Yes, so it would be best for us to complete our paperwork so that I can finalize my plans to visit Cuba.

SD: I am sorry but I will have to speak with the Soviet embassy regarding their position.

SEPTEMBER 28, 1963 – MORNING – PAVEL YATSKOV - RUSSIAN EMBASSY

PAVEL: Sir, I would like to help you, but I don’t know exactly what it is you want me to do.

LHO: (desperate, unshaven) I have traveled to the Soviet Union as a tourist, but I remained there for political reasons. I lived in Belorussia, and married a Russian girl. We came to the United States but my heart is in Russia. I was very helpful to the Russian authorities, you can ask them. And I am a good Communist. I am a member of an organization that defends Fidel and Cuba.

PAVEL: Sir, since you lived and worked in the Soviet Union, can you please explain yourself in Russian? It is difficult for me to understand English?

LHO: Yes, of course. (speaking in Russian) I simply want to return to Russia. Look, here are some newspaper clippings, proving that I have been operating on behalf of of Russia and Cuba. I need to obtain a visa to visit those countries, and I need it immediately.

PAVEL: Why, may I ask, are you in such a hurry to leave the United States?

LHO: It is very difficult for me there. I am constantly under surveillance, they are persecuting me. My personal life has been invaded, they bother my wife and my neighbors have been interrogated. I have even lost a job because the infamous FBI has let my employer know of my background. I am in fear for my life!

PAVEL: What is it you seek in the USSR?

LHO: I simply want a quiet life. I want to return to my old job at the factory in Minsk. I have a wife and baby. They are my everything.

PAVEL: Sir, it is difficult to –

LHO: No, you must do this for me! (sobbing uncontrollably) I am afraid they will kill me! You must let me in! I am being persecuted! (pulls his revolver out of his jacket pocket) See? This is what I must now carry to protect my life! (places revolver on desk)

PAVEL: Here, give me that. (takes gun, removes bullets, places them in desk drawer) We will get you a glass of water.

LHO: (still crying) I am being persecuted…

PAVEL: It might seem terrible to you but the reasons for you being victimized are not entirely clear to me, sir.

LHO: I simply must return to Russia.

PAVEL: Surely as a good Communist you must realize what the rules are. You may fill out these forms…

LHO: Can’t you give me permission to visit Cuba!?

PAVEL: Cuba is a sovereign nation, Mr. Oswald. They decide visa questions for themselves.

LHO: I will not take those forms to fill out. (gets up to leave. He takes bullets, puts them in his pocket) They follow me everywhere.

PAVEL: Goodbye Mr. Oswald.

LHO: I will be killed in the United States. If they don’t leave me alone, I’m going to defend myself…

SEPT. 28: CUBAN EMBASSY – MEXICO CITY

LHO: (later) This is the third time I have come to request a visa. I have given you numerous documents so that you can approve my request!

AZCUE: I am sorry, but without the prior approval of the Soviet Union, I cannot proceed with your in-transit visa to Cuba.

LHO: You are all bureaucrats!

AZCUE: You may leave right now.

LHO: I will! (slams door)

SEPT. 30: OLEG NECHIPORENKO – PHONE CONVERSATION

LHO: This is Lee Oswald.

NECHIPORENKO: Yes, Mr. Oswald. I remember you.

LHO: Has there been any positive response from Moscow regarding my application?

NECHIPORENKO: No, I am afraid not.

[David Josephs]

CIA transcripts of an encounter does not prove this man was Oswald - regardless of whether the CIA or Greg places his name before the quotes...

But this is REAL testimony:

Mr. CORNWELL. Directing your attention to the period of time immediately after the assassination, the day of the assassination or the day after the assassination, did you during that period of time have an occasion to see pictures of the alleged assassin in the newspapers or to observe on television the man identified at that time as Lee Harvey Oswald?

Senor AZCUE. Yes, sir, not so close to the date, not in the first few days, not immediately thereafter. Some time I calculate approximately-and I say this because I am not a great movie fan, but it was in mid-December approximately-I saw at that time the film in which Ruby appears assassinating the Oswald who was there, and I was not able to identify him and only 2 months had gone by since I had seen the Oswald who appeared at the consulate. And I had a clear mental picture because we had had an unpleasant discussion and he had not been very pleasant to me and I did not recognize when I first saw him. I did not recognize Oswald.

The man who went to the consulate was a man over 30 years of age and very thin, very thin faced. And the individual I saw in the movie was a young man, considerably younger, and a fuller face

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Mr. CORNWELL. What differences were there?

Senor AZCUE. Many differences . The individual who visited the consulate is one whose physiognomy or whose face I recall very 'clearly . He had a hard face. He had very straight eyebrows, cold, hard, and straight eyes. His cheeks were thin. His nose was very straight and pointed. This gentleman looks like he is somewhat heavier, more filled, his eyes are at an angle with the outside of his eye, at an angle with his face. I would have never identified him or recognized him.

I believe I can recall with fairly good accuracy the individual in such a way that I could recognize him now in a group of 100, that is better than a photograph of him because obviously during a period of 15 years he might change. I think I could recognize him, and this is not him.

While I know you WISH GP had done his homework he consistently falls short when it comes to sources and corroboration.

CORNWELL - During this period was your normal work week, did it include Saturdays?

Tirado- Yes.

Cornwell - Is it possible that, in addition to his visits on Friday, he also came back the following day on Saturday morning?

TIRADO - No.

CORNWELL - How can you be sure of that?

TIRADO - Because, uh, I told you before, that it was easy to remember, because not all the Americans that came there were married with a Russian woman, they have live(d) in Russian and uh, we didn't used to fight with those people because if you, they came for going to Cuba, so apparently they were friends, no? So we were nice to them with this man we fight, I mean we had a hard discussion so we didn't want to have anything to do with him.

CORNWELL - Okay. I understand that but I don't understand how that really answers the question. In other words, the question is, what is it about the events that makes (sic) you sure that he did not come back on Saturday, and have another conversation with you?

TIRADO - Because I remember the fight. So if he (come) back, I would have remembered.

CORNWELL - Did Azcue work on Saturdays?

TIRADO - Yes, we used to work in the office but not for the public.

CORNWELL - Was there a guard, was there a guard out here at the corner near number seven on your diagram on Saturdays?

TIRADO - Excuse me?

CORNWELL - Was there a doorman out near the area that you marked as number seven, on the diagram?

TIRADO - Yes, but on Saturday he never let people ...

CORNWELL - Never let people in.

TIRADO - No.

This after the DFS interrogates her.

This after the CIA on the 20th of Dec tells us that they will NOT use the tap transcripts but Duran's statements to prove Oswald was there the 28th and Oct 1st.

One wonders which statements the CIA was referring to...

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Ok... so you post more CIA transcripts... He fails to mention this person is speaking terrible Russian and Spanish... both of which do not describe Oswald.

Secondly, it is the Russia man who suggests it may be Kostikov. and then it is Win Scott who, in the Oct 16th cable assumes it to be Kostikov.

Does GP offer links to the source documents from which he lifts this Mark? I do: https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=12648&relPageId=3

I'll get in contact with Bill Simpich who basically has written the book on what occurs between the 27th and 4th... not my focus...

I show that the FBI evidence of the trip is a fraud supported by the fact that other than these calls and the hotel registry (also obtained by OCHOA) Oswald did not exist in Mexico City.

Can you explain how what GP wrote here proves that our Oswald is that Oswald when the two people he supposedly interacted with contradict the CIA's info?

[Jon G. Tidd]

David Josephs: Just a question, nothing more. Assuming Marina's husband did not travel to M.C. at the end of September 1963 and went to Houston instead (as I think you've written), what do you think he did for the time period he was supposedly in M.C.? Thanks.

Paul Brancato: Please forgive me, but I don't understand your comment at post #796.

Paul Trejo: I agree that Marina's husband was an anti-fascist, a Marxist in his own thinking.

Greg Parker: Please forgive me, but I'm not sure, possibly because of bad memory, whether you believe Marina's husband was an intelligence agent, the subject of this diary.

Footnote: Individuals sometime change over the course of their lives, change in appearance, affect, ability to interact with others, etc. Marina's husband is a mystery. There is not a clean, clear line of Oswald, from child to adult. The line is troubled, uncertain.

When Marina's future husband arrives in Moscow, he's a wreck. From then on, he appears to be a wreck.

He's a wreck once he gets back to the U.S. with a wife and child.

But in the NOLA radio broadcast, he's pulled together well.

Something's wrong here. Or unexplained. I say unexplained.

Are individuals sometimes odd, sometimes out of step with the mainstream? Sure.

[Greg Parker]

Greg Parker: Please forgive me, but I'm not sure, possibly because of bad memory, whether you believe Marina's husband was an intelligence agent, the subject of this diary.

His roles varied from courier to agent/asset to informant to patsy.

Footnote: Individuals sometime change over the course of their lives, change in appearance, affect, ability to interact with others, etc. Marina's husband is a mystery. There is not a clean, clear line of Oswald, from child to adult. The line is troubled, uncertain.

When Marina's future husband arrives in Moscow, he's a wreck. From then on, he appears to be a wreck.

Really?

He's a wreck once he gets back to the U.S. with a wife and child.

Really?

But in the NOLA radio broadcast, he's pulled together well.

Of course!

Something's wrong here. Or unexplained. I say unexplained.

The "something" may well be who you are reading. believing, listening to.

Are individuals sometimes odd, sometimes out of step with the mainstream? Sure.

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