JFK was on the trailing curve to prevent this?

[Michael Hogan]

Lee and Dawn, I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

[John Dolva]

Robert Welch in 1958 predicting Insiders plans to destroy America

Did JFK pay close attention?

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http://www.spartacus...k/JFKwelchR.htm

In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNarmara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair.

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Robert W. Welch died on 6th January, 1965

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He lost me at his predictions of constant peace, at 3.00 min into the speech. It is the total opposite.

Dawn

I think the last bit of the 1974 speech, looking into the future 15 years is very telling. I don't really get the gold standard bit but it's a rousing speech to the converted and I think arguably that the world we live in today is an extension.

[Jim Phelps]

Robert Welch in 1958 predicting Insiders plans to destroy America.....

Did JFK pay close attention?

If he did, he did so from heaven. Welch gave that speech on March 9, 1974. Although Welch quotes himself from 1958, the speech was given at the JBS Council Dinner in 1974, as the video clearly states.

Phelps got his description word for word from the person that posted it on YouTube. I'm not sure that Phelps even watched the video.

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Yawn...

Robert W. Welch died on 6th January, 1965

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Best find your spectacles, Jim. Welch died on the 6th of January, 1985. I've put this in a larger font in case you can't find your specs.

Michael Hogan is one of the most detail driven members of the board. And very respected. Yawning at his corrections to your blatant errors is not very smart...

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Really, is this acclaimed "attention to detail" why Mr. Hogan, nor his Echos, can't seem to find two glaring errors on the Board's own Bio for Welch and JBS? Looks to be a little more of an issue than one type-O, as it shows up in two URL's now. Just remember, all I did was list these URL's and the sentence with error and that means Mr. Hogan's and his Echos must be calling Mr. Simkin ugly names for missing those dates. Unless you are really saying Mr. Hogan has little attention to details.

So "detail oriented" that he can't seem to read but the top line of a listing, and can't get the Board's own Bios fixed.

Or that the above says 1958, as does a thousand plus Internet hits on Google and the video itself, and why he must twist it into something different?

I don't think you can support any of that as detail oriented. IMHO.

Plus, Mr. Hogan seems to screw up the logic flow on DiEugenio's discussion on Bay of Pigs, so that DiEugenio has to correct things there. That isn't detail oriented enough to stay on track there either. Mr. Hogan makes lots of errors, and his Echos follow in lock step.

Your theme appears rather bogus.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[John Dolva]

''In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNarmara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair.''

Sure Kennedy (and Warren) were taking hits from the right. The pretext if you will for the transfer of Walker to Hawaii was the apparent disobeying of a prior executive order to the effect that the President was the announcer of foreign policy.

Walker was also being looked at for other bizarre traits reported by soldiers stationed there (Germany).

Arch segregationists drove a senate investigation into the ''muzzling of the military'' (interestingly Prescott Bush was a member of this committee).

[Jim Phelps]

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I was just using a citation from the Education Forum's main information page here:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwelchR.htm

Where it painly tells this:

"Robert W. Welch died on 6th January, 1965"

So, it appears those that keep up the Education Forum's information are listing bogus information. Who was in charge of this?

And do make sure you jump on them much more intensely than myself.

Who on EF is listing bogus information? I think it much more appropriate to find who on EF screwed up the information, as I am sure not in charge of those listings.

Jim,

It is an obvious typo and I'm sure John Simkin will correct it now that it has been highlighted. If you had actually read the biography of the man on the page you cited his date of passing from then you should have noticed the following:

"In 1970 he [Welch] wrote in American Opinion that "America is becoming increasingly socialist. It is obvious that socialist government increasingly controls us from the cradle to the crematorium.""

and also:

"When he started the JBS he [Welch] claimed that the USA was 20-40 per cent communist-controlled. By 1978 he claimed it had reached 60-80 per cent."

Now these two things cited in the article would have been a little difficult for Welch to actually accomplish if he was in fact dead. Deflecting blame for your own lack of research is also not very smart. I think your reaction in being told you are wrong is unjustified.

You are in charge of checking your sources and even a cursory glance through the article would have told you that it was an honest error.

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Gee Lee,

I can't seem to find where you said I needed to PM Mr. Simkin. In fact, the only thing I can find per that is the above. A great big Yawn again, just for you and your faulty memory.

Besides, there are these detail oriented people to handle this for us. We'll just see if what you said originally comes to pass. It'll make a good test.

I do think any unbiased person would have to note the Mr. Hogan non-sense making stems from the simple fact that I don't follow him in lock step. I am a very independent thinker, and I block Mr. Hogan's comments due to his pattern and causing problems. I don't share your views of Mr. Hogan.

Just where did all this non-sense stem from but to attempt to keep the attention off what is really happening over this JBS piece dragged out of the closet again to point at the wrong faction. My reason for highlighting this attention being given to this JBS piece is to focus the attention onto the right subject, and it isn't primarily the Communists or the Islamics. They are only the fulcrum for another Oligarchic Alliance, their Patsy, so to speak.

Lets get down to the chase here and consider that the video piece on Welch and the JBS is really making the rounds on the Internet, and it has misleading features like attempting to blame only the Communists. The real issue for why this is coming up again is the Oligarchs and the Banker Royalists are getting nervous and going back to their old formula on ramping up the "Red Baiting" and the Communists are totally responsible.

The real issue is the Communist style formula scare tactics are used to fuel the Neo-Con types and their Oligarchic and the Royalist Ilk. The Russians got tired of being the Victims and started "Waging Peace". Now the Neo-Con version of the Red Scare is the Islamics are behind every tree.

No doubt the JBS and their buddies with the LDS are into working that system to cause harm and exploitation to "We The People," just as the Catholic P-2's do much the same for power and control. Which is why I found a few of those author's writings in that 1982 LaRouche piece so interesting.

I am well aware LaRouche gets off base on some things, but some of his authors well hit the nail on the head. So, the highlighted selections that I listed appeared to be very much on the mark for what was happening in Europe with Dulles, PERMINDEX, DeM.. and others. LaRouche gets extremely close with his authors for Dope, Inc. also.

So, was all this recent noise here due to those wanting to distract me from getting down to the real issue for that video's making the rounds of popularity recently? Was the disrespecful Mr. Hogan and his Echo minions really incapable of Internet Searches displaying 1958 speech and the video itself?

BTW, I don't think it would make even a small dent in the number of views for this thread if either you or Mr. Hogan didn't happened to view. I suggest more flawed logic, since the views look just fine. And the comments are coming along as others see what you have been up to.

Allow me to Yawn once again.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Jim Phelps]

I know you don't get much attention here, Jim. It doesn't take a genius to work out why. If it wasn't for Mike negatively replying to your strange and bizzare posts it would simply be you issuing page after page of tedious threads.

You were told in a different message from me; if you find an error on the Spartacus website then PM John Simkin and I'm sure he'll change it.

Baiting me with another reply to my post when you told me I had difficulty saying "bye" just proves that any attention is good attention, eh?

Bye (I promise)

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I think it is called attention to details, as I do correct your statements, as needed. And your lack of attention to details.

"Promise". Yawn.

You all can keep making up more non-sense and I'll just keep on pointing it out.

I really doubt that your not dropping by will make a dent in the page views.

Might drive them up in number actually, by others looking to see what your latest diatribe line is about.

It does get interesting that several can't seem to get to the main issue, and would rather have a mess of distraction commentary to attempt to draw the subject off where it was going to lead.

It gets there anyway. But It does make me sleepy with the same old same ole boring ploys.

BTW---I see you are from Liverpool, UK, and the home of those long haired Bagles that brought the US into the Drug music business of the 60s.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Michael Hogan]

I don't agree with Mr. Hogan on many things, and his observations here are yet one more example. He is usually not being constructive in his comments, IMHO. He typically has to veer into personal insults, else I'd not see my name and he'd work on the material presented. Which, if he'd done that, would have found the EF Bo-Bo.

I do think the problem is Mr. Hogan has this axe to grind since he has the habbit of reading something and trying to make it into something else. Ever time he comes around, he has to insult. I don't run over to his threads and make friction. It was clearly listed where the citation came from, so all those folks recommeding glasses, go put them on and go read the orgin of the wrong information.

It is Phelps that has disrupted his own thread. Up to this point I've made only one brief post in response to the mistake he made initially

I observed why what he wrote was wrong and that Phelps should have seen that if he watched the video he posted. Here is that post:

Robert Welch in 1958 predicting Insiders plans to destroy America.....

Did JFK pay close attention?

If he did, he did so from heaven. Welch gave that speech on March 9, 1974. Although Welch quotes himself from 1958, the speech was given at the JBS Council Dinner in 1974, as the video clearly states.

Phelps got his description word for word from the person that posted it on YouTube. I'm not sure that Phelps even watched the video.

Contrary to Phelps' allegations, there are no personal insults contained in my reply. After I made that reply, Phelps claimed that Welch died in 1965. Lee Farley pointed out that Welch died in 1985.

That launched Phelps on a rambling and confusing series of posts assigning responsibility to John Simkin and Spartacus and even me for Phelps' own mistakes.

If Phelps had watched the video that he used to start this thread, he would have seen that it happened in 1974.

Phelps should realize that if he posts or links to information that is erroneous, members have a right to point that out. And if Phelps makes a mistake(s), as he did, members have a right to point that out as well.

Thanks again to Lee Farley and Dawn Meredith for their words.

[Jim Phelps]

I see the listing has been bumped back up to the top of the list once again, by the ongoing non-sense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listing. Guess these people like promoting this link. So, why not.

Jim Phelps listed a couple of things, as a placeholder, with just their simplest content, so I would remember to come back and develop the details with the intention of building toward the issues of how the 60s Communist "Fear Mongering" games have been used to promote the extreme right oligarchic Royalist's powers and giving up American's Freedoms. It is typical for me and others to do that. Start out simple, build it up as it goes. Time comes in little packets through the day, and my thread details build slowly.

The Welch Video was listed that is wildly making the rounds here lately on YouTube and all the alternative media outlets, with only a couple lines of its content and advertisement. Then, since they operated out of Boston, were involved with McCarthism/RFK, then JFK question added.

The Welch Video is about like the "Protocols of Zion", where they try to blame the Zionists, when the bigger deal is the Royalist's Bankers scheming behind the NWO control game. There are often lots of "Patsy's", from the simple Jewish Peoples not involved in Govt or Banking, to the Communist Fear played up to drive control into Rothschild oligarchic Bankers hands, to little guys like LHO to cover their ugly tracks for their quest for power and control over America. Welch attempts to blame the Communists, when the very same "patsy" games are about hiding the men behind the Curtain at the End of the "Yellow Brick Road", the Royalist's ILK and Banking "Wizzards". The US is majorly exploited by them.

The Education Forum link for who Welch was and his JBS links for others orientation was tossed out for references, as those are typically pretty good. I also noted the "Boo Boo" on the date. Anyone that saw the video or read any Welch history data would see the problem. So, tossed out and exact "copy and paste" from the EF link of the problem. It was a test to see who would notice. It exposed those who are continually hostile and show intentional disrespect.

Then, the Education Forum's disrespect intending person with the seeming hostile "Axe to Grind" finds occasion to make something out of it that it never was. Mr. Hogan's echos, in essence, calls the person that wrote the Bio bad names as it was a "copy and paste" of that error. Then this triggers the Mr. Hogan cheering squad's, the Echo group, typical bad manners and more of what appears to be personal attacks. Else, we'd have seen the flogging of the peron that put the bad data on the Bio.

So, then the "Double Standards" come into view. The person that wrote the Bio is only a "type-O", as the excuses begin as they noticed to start reading the Link URL. Opps, slippery slope and one foot lands in their mouth.

The correct procedure is to read the link, explain the link's data is off. Not, attack the person's tossing out the link's bad data to see who would take notice the data was bad.

Then we get the twisting of the details, as they all have one foot in their mouth for "Double Standards".

Just about none of the original listing had any of my comments yet. Just two links and their comments. Yet, the personal attack group here attempts to put all the blame on the fella developing a new threads content and attempts to abduct and distroy the whole purpose of the thread. This happens far too often on EF, and it amounts to a personal attack rather than correcting the link's data. It stems from only a few that constantly attempt these personal attacks, and avoid using Mr. Phelps as respectful. You can tell real quickly who they are as the go after the person and not the details or data. Most of them have quit, but for Mr. Hogan can't seem to let things go. He always seems combative, always intent on disrespect and it shows from the moment he uses the term Phelps.

So, we have Mr. Hogan and Echo gang that has the axe to grind that jumps on the statement clearly linked to the EF Bio, which means anyone would note the EF listing was wrong, first and foremost. If they bothered to read, or watch the items. Yet, Mr. Hogan has to field the non-sense that I didn't watch the video. Utter illogical Non-sense. So, when they crank out that, it is then personal attack mode. Their Logic falls apart as they make wild claims. And soon their intent for being hostile becomes apparent and the nonsense extreme.

Then the Hogan cheering club shows up, which is typical, appears orchestrated, as they seem to like to do a combined attack on persons they don't like. They have little Klicks and self-aggrandizations of each other. They have this little cheering club, the Echo club, that ignore Mr. Hogan jumped the gun and went for personal attack rather than reading the Film's information, the Bio's error and dealing with the data fault. Then, their collective train wreck begins and each's feet begin to get stuck in each's mouth.

Thus far, I have quoted an Education Forum's Bio quotation, and the very same rule that the Education Forum needs to check its contend doesn't seem to apply to the Bio's author, and if it did then it was a "type-O". The "Double Standard" then appears, which they can't seem to explain.

So, now they develop this "Witch Hunt" because they have two standards, one that tells the Bio's mistake is OK, that is just a type-O, and the other standard that I was never supposed to call attention to the mistake and let the hapless trio stick first one foot into their mouths and then try for both, then all three fall down all over themselves trying to remove inserted feet in each other's mouths.

Mr. Hogan's impressions of things are what I see as attempts to misdirect discussions. We see even Mr. Kelly trying to list three thing in a row on one thread, because I was ignoring his non-sense. We have Mr. Hogan trying to make something out of nothing again and again. And making himself all the more obvious because of his petty contrivances. Mr. Hogan's "Detail oriented" appears to be a farse, as the film and the Internet sources all say the same thing a thousand timese over.

And so it goes on the climate of Education Forum that appears to hate free thinking, and can't even wait for a subject to be developed before their attack begins. They can't talk about the data, just attack the person. It shows from the very first mention of the term Phelps, their intention for disrespect becomes obvious.

It will be some time before they all can remove that many feet from each other's mouths and I am sure that the bad tastes will linger forever.

Back to Yawning----nothing new with this little group of negative types that like to abduct a thread, create a faked up stink, and can't explain themselves with any amount of poor excuses.

They have "Double Standards", attack the person and not the data, make contrivances, create a hostile environment, change what they said, and cause disruption of even the simplest of listings.

IMHO, One more example for their bad behaviors caputured for all to see.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Michael Hogan]

I see the listing has been bumped back up to the top of the list once again, by the ongoing non-sense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listing. Guess these people like promoting this link. So, why not.

Just about none of the original listing had any of my comments. Just two links and their comments. Yet, the personal attack group here attempts to put all the blame on the fella developing a new threads content and attempts to abduct and distroy the who purpose of the thread. This happens far too often on EF, and it amounts to a personal attack rather that correcting the link's data.

So, we have Mr. Hogan that has the axe to grind that jumps on the statement clearly linked to the EF Bio, which means anyone would note the EF listing was wrong, first and foremost. If they bothered to read the items.

Mr. Hogan's impressions of things are what I see as attempts to misdirect discussions.

The "ongoing nonsense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listings" is Phelps' invention and his attempt to misdirect himself away from how this started.

He added the Spartacus link to his initial post twelve hours after I pointed out his mistake. He then tried to blame it on John Simkin and Spartacus.

All Phelps had to do was watch the video, see that it happened in 1974, and acknowledge his mistake.

Instead, he actually convinced himself that Welch died in 1965, because he read it at Spartacus. He didn't bother to check another source. He blames others for that.

It has been Phelps that has misdirected his own discussion. Now he calls Lee Farley and Dawn Meredith "the personal attack group here." No one has personally attacked Phelps.

I made one very short reply to Phelp's initial post. For three days I watched silently while he falsely accused me of all sorts of things, like personally attacking him and having an axe to grind.

Finally, he did so one time too many. No one enjoys bumping Phelps' "listings back to the top of the list" more than Phelps' himself. But in this case, I'm going to accommodate him.

All Phelps had to do was watch or pay attention to the video he posted and all this would have been avoided.

[Jim Phelps]

''In April 1961 Major General Edwin Walker, commander of the 24th Infantry Division in Europe and stationed in Augsburg, Germany was accused of indoctrinating his troops with right-wing literature from the John Birch Society. With the agreement of President John F. Kennedy, Defense Secretary Robert McNarmara relieved Walker of his command an announced an investigation into the affair.''

Sure Kennedy (and Warren) were taking hits from the right. The pretext if you will for the transfer of Walker to Hawaii was the apparent disobeying of a prior executive order to the effect that the President was the announcer of foreign policy.

Walker was also being looked at for other bizarre traits reported by soldiers stationed there (Germany).

Arch segregationists drove a senate investigation into the ''muzzling of the military'' (interestingly Prescott Bush was a member of this committee).

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Interesting Points. I do think Walker was trying to take over Foreign Policy, and went outside of serving the Commander and Chief. Like the JCS, Walker was trying to run over the Presidency.

Walker is right in the Middle of the area where both the Rothschilds pals still lived, like the Openheimers and DeBeers and others. And the UK Royals were really Germans with fake names.

They had sights on making a quick war with Russia, while the Nuke imbalance was large.

One thing was for certain, the anti-communist war drums were booming loudly in the latter 50s and early 60s, and this was all about pressing fears.

DDE let things go too far, and by the time JFK took over they had their own network that would run over the Presidency, and if the President didn't give in, kill him. The UK had so much control over the US at the time of JFK, and it still does.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Len Colby]

I think it is called attention to details, as I do correct your statements, as needed. And your lack of attention to details.

"Promise". Yawn.

You all can keep making up more non-sense and I'll just keep on pointing it out.

I really doubt that your not dropping by will make a dent in the page views.

Might drive them up in number actually, by others looking to see what your latest diatribe line is about.

It does get interesting that several can't seem to get to the main issue, and would rather have a mess of distraction commentary to attempt to draw the subject off where it was going to lead.

It gets there anyway. But It does make me sleepy with the same old same ole boring ploys.

BTW---I see you are from Liverpool, UK, and the home of those long haired Bagles that brought the US into the Drug music business of the 60s.

Phelps if you paid "attention to details" you would have noticed that:

-the video you posted indicated it was from 1974

-the Spatacus page you cited indicated Welch did several things after 1985

...and you would have checked more than one source for when he died.

"I see you are from Liverpool, UK, and the home of those long haired Bagles that brought the US into the Drug music business of the 60s"

You sound suspiciously like Terry Mauro

Edited August 6, 2011 by Len Colby

[Jim Phelps]

850 Views in a couple days and still front page.

You all are doing a bang up job keeping up the distractions.

Those distrations will become more and more obvious.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Michael Hogan]

850 Views in a couple days and still front page. You all are doing a bang up job keeping up the distractions.

I'll help all I can.

I see the listing has been bumped back up to the top of the list once again, by the ongoing non-sense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listing. Guess these people like promoting this link. So, why not.

Just about none of the original listing had any of my comments. Just two links and their comments. Yet, the personal attack group here attempts to put all the blame on the fella developing a new threads content and attempts to abduct and distroy the who purpose of the thread. This happens far too often on EF, and it amounts to a personal attack rather that correcting the link's data.

So, we have Mr. Hogan that has the axe to grind that jumps on the statement clearly linked to the EF Bio, which means anyone would note the EF listing was wrong, first and foremost. If they bothered to read the items.

Mr. Hogan's impressions of things are what I see as attempts to misdirect discussions.

The "ongoing nonsense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listings" is Phelps' invention and his attempt to misdirect himself away from how this started.

He added the Spartacus link to his initial post twelve hours after I pointed out his mistake. He then tried to blame it on John Simkin and Spartacus.

All Phelps had to do was watch the video, see that it happened in 1974, and acknowledge his mistake.

Instead, he actually convinced himself that Welch died in 1965, because he read it at Spartacus. He didn't bother to check another source. He blames others for that.

It has been Phelps that has misdirected his own discussion. Now he calls Lee Farley and Dawn Meredith "the personal attack group here." No one has personally attacked Phelps.

I made one very short reply to Phelp's initial post. For three days I watched silently while he falsely accused me of all sorts of things, like personally attacking him and having an axe to grind.

Finally, he did so one time too many. No one enjoys bumping Phelps' "listings back to the top of the list" more than Phelps' himself. But in this case, I'm going to accommodate him.

All Phelps had to do was watch or pay attention to the video he posted and all this would have been avoided.

[Jim Phelps]

850 Views in a couple days and still front page. You all are doing a bang up job keeping up the distractions.

I'll help all I can.

I see the listing has been bumped back up to the top of the list once again, by the ongoing non-sense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listing. Guess these people like promoting this link. So, why not.

Just about none of the original listing had any of my comments. Just two links and their comments. Yet, the personal attack group here attempts to put all the blame on the fella developing a new threads content and attempts to abduct and distroy the who purpose of the thread. This happens far too often on EF, and it amounts to a personal attack rather that correcting the link's data.

So, we have Mr. Hogan that has the axe to grind that jumps on the statement clearly linked to the EF Bio, which means anyone would note the EF listing was wrong, first and foremost. If they bothered to read the items.

Mr. Hogan's impressions of things are what I see as attempts to misdirect discussions.

The "ongoing nonsense over mistakes contained in the EF Bio listings" is Phelps' invention and his attempt to misdirect himself away from how this started.

He added the Spartacus link to his initial post twelve hours after I pointed out his mistake. He then tried to blame it on John Simkin and Spartacus.

All Phelps had to do was watch the video, see that it happened in 1974, and acknowledge his mistake.

Instead, he actually convinced himself that Welch died in 1965, because he read it at Spartacus. He didn't bother to check another source. He blames others for that.

It has been Phelps that has misdirected his own discussion. Now he calls Lee Farley and Dawn Meredith "the personal attack group here." No one has personally attacked Phelps.

I made one very short reply to Phelp's initial post. For three days I watched silently while he falsely accused me of all sorts of things, like personally attacking him and having an axe to grind.

Finally, he did so one time too many. No one enjoys bumping Phelps' "listings back to the top of the list" more than Phelps' himself. But in this case, I'm going to accommodate him.

All Phelps had to do was watch or pay attention to the video he posted and all this would have been avoided.

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Yawn. Looks like 900 views at hand.

Guess Mr. Hogan didn't watch the video. Else, he would not say this intentionally misleading statement:

"All Phelps had to do was watch the video, see that it happened in 1974, and acknowledge his mistake."

His truth appears missing on the film/video is direct quote from Welch in 1958, making all that available in 1958. So, JFK doesn't have to be in Heaven on learn about it. It is a two parter and he thinks it is only one. Welch's career is long. Looks like Mr. Hogan has to acknowledge his mistake. Even the You Tube video author paid attention to the film and saw the onscreen announcement that he made those statements in 1958. Mr. Hogan's utter non-sense attempts to state that JFK would have to have been in Heaven to know about a Speech from 1958 with that content. It even says so in the YouTube discription for the film.

Mr. Hogan also can't seem to fathom that I watched the video and read many other sources. I paid attention when I watched it and he evidently didn't. He now appears to want to claim to be a mind reader. Shall he dawn the hat of Johnny Carson next to tell he knows all, sees all. I watched the video, he keeps saying I didn't. This is the sort of non-sense he keeps repeating.

I guess the fella that listed it on YouTube didn't watch it either because he tells the speech was from 1958 too. I think You Tube discription is accurate. But evidently Mr. Hogan wants to say it never happened.

A pal of mine from Colorado sent me the link for the video and I watched it and found it interesting, but misleading. So, the interest to raise the awareness of extended versions of what is a Patsy. So, I tossed the link up, while it was handy to copy and paste into the New Thread.

What does one do with a person that can't realize someone watched a video. This is the nutty stuff he attempt to toss out for people to read. Mr. Hogan is going to have to come to the reality that he is wrong, but he is one of those people that likes to argue vapid positions.

Also, Mr. Hogan tells originally that I copied all the comments per the first listing, so none of them were my comments.

Mr. Hogan just likes to make a scene. Then the rest of his bunch shows up to stir the pot. Boring. Happens time and again. Stupid stuff like this is apparently all he can do.

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It is highly obvious the Kennedy's were over the "Red Baiting" Scare issues, and JFK was backing off falling for their games of Communist Invading the US. JFK was steering for the middle of the road between partly Socialistic methods and Capitalistic methods, letting neither become extreme or dominate over the other.

They had to kill JFK to stop that return to the peace balance. JFK was about to achieve peace and that would end their games to exploit the US for wars.

I hope you all don't mind, if I continue to develop the major issues of the Video being Misleading on what is the Dominant Factor of Communist Invasion or Capitalist Ploy to gain more control over America and use America to pay for their wars.

The Patsy Thesis on the larger scale beyong LHO is an interesting theme.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Jim Phelps]

This is getting laughable that Mr. Hogan now appears to be a Johnny Carson "Karnak" character who can hold up something and tell what is inside. He has an interesting mind reader act to follow. He seems to suggest he knows all of what I watch on YouTube.

His can't let go "issues" appeared to begin when I made a funny out of the Ideal Gas Equation on a discussion on ballistics. It ended up embarrassing several people for various reasons from technical failings to consider the wave dynamic pressures in a bullet's impact to a head, to the pun to make the look silly for technical illiteracy. That one went on with scientific non-sense for days and pages and pages.

Mr. Hogan and his buddy was determined then to attempt to force his opinion on how he understood something, and it went on for pages and pages like some ole man having a fit. He never got over it, seems like. He was just as obcessed appearing then.

And it continues on and on. I never go bug him on his threads, but he sure follows mine and offers his goofy opinions. This Karnak think is a real piece of work.

Now, if he was a Karnack, he'd have the JFK assassination all mapped out. Obviously, he isn't Karnak, in any sense of the suggestion, but he makes a silly commedy act perhaps.

Do you really read minds Mr. Hogan or just think you do?

Edited August 6, 2011 by Jim Phelps